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    Apr 12, 2011, 09:29 AM
    Hi sir I have Christan friend need to convince her to become Muslim
    Dear sir my friend she is Christan and had very bad impression about Islam by listening the news and looking around the Muslims (only by name} she knows, we both are resident in UK need to tell her about real and true Islam but don't know which references I use and where to start can you please guide me on this
    Kind regards
    Hammad
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    Apr 12, 2011, 10:20 AM

    You don't, you accept that she has found a faith she is happy with, If you think you and her need to be the same faith, why not consider changing yourelf
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    Apr 12, 2011, 10:23 AM

    Tell you what... How about you converting to Christianity. That "Bad impression" you claim is the truth about Islam they try to hide through deception to the "non-believers" as to what the real truth is.

    So before you think you have a right or any business converting someone that doesn't want converted... how about you converting yourself to their faith?

    Ones faith is a deeply personal issue, and a Christians faith is no less of value than a Muslims is to them.

    There are many aspects to Islam we as Christians (and other non-muslims) find very distasteful. I won't go into them as they are very well known. And there is no reason to make it personal as you have been very polite asking about it, so nothing I have said is meant to be personal..

    Personally... there are no references you can use that will change the mind of anyone who truly believes in their faith. Whatever that faith might be.

    And MOST people do see an attempt to "convert them" as a personal attack... which it is.
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    Apr 12, 2011, 10:23 AM

    If your concern is her impression of Islam, I understand. I struggle with false impressions of believers all the time. I can't force anyone to think a Christian/believer is a good person, all I can do is be true to what I believe to be good and let others decide for themselves.

    If you try and shove any religion on your friend, you will do the opposite of changing her views on Islam. I promise.
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    Apr 12, 2011, 10:38 AM
    Dear sir/madam I didn't mean hurt any one feeling I respect all religion and believe,the reason I ask question because we both never find satisfy answer from both side, because we both just know the basic I will be more happy if you can brief me on both religion or guide us where to go
    Thanks
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    Apr 12, 2011, 10:46 AM

    Even people of the same faith have issues finding satisfactory answers to difficult religious or even every day questions. That's normal. Actually, it's HEALTHY!

    You and your friend should embrace each other's differences and realize that you both might have something to learn from one another. She has found satisfaction in Christianity and you have found satisfaction in Islam-now help each other understand the good things about your lifestyles and you will be forming a unique friendship of a type this world is in need! :)
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    Apr 12, 2011, 10:51 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by hammadtaj View Post
    Dear sir/madam I didnt mean hurt any one feeling i respect all religion and believe,the reason i ask question because we both never find satisfy answer from both side, because we both just know the basic i will be more happy if you can brief me on both religion or guide us where to go
    thanks
    hammad
    That will be very difficult to do because any comparison you can find will be influenced by the person who wrote its personal beliefs or prejudices.

    Free will is very important to Christians (and non-Christians too)... and under Sharia and the Koran you are told how to live every aspect of your life so you don't have actual free will under it. It's like being told... you can do anything you want... as long as its what we told you to do or suffer our wrath.

    That is a very significant difference. What we call polar opposites.

    I have Muslim friends... they don't try and convert me... and I don't try to convert them. And thus... we have been friends many years, some nearly 15 years. I would not associate with or call someone a friend who tried to convert me to a different religion. I would consider it disrespectful to me if they tried.
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    Apr 12, 2011, 11:22 AM
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    Dear sir I never and don't want to convert any one all I wanted to clarify her misconception about Islam, we are friends for 10 years and we have friends from other religions from years every one practicing their own believe we celebrate religious festival together like x mass/eid/diwali/vasaki so that's not a issue we just want to improve our knowledge and we believe in first we have to be a good human being and respect every one around us,because people these days have too much frustration they don't have patience don't have time to listen to each other arguing fighting for unnecessary things I strongly believe in that respect all around you and share our feelings with love ones and help the needy if dear sir my comment hurt you any way I am really apologising to you
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    Apr 12, 2011, 12:13 PM

    What you said did not hurt me... and I did not take it as disrespectful and I understand and its clear English is not your first language so I read the words and don't expect a second meaning by exactly how you said something as I know would be possible in any language if one knows it well enough.

    There is a very basic problem you have as a Muslim. The manner in which the Koran is written... where things written later in the book supersede what was written earlier in the book. As well as the fact that it calls for being dishonest to non-Muslims.

    They claim Islam is a religion of peace... and early in the Koran it is... but those teachings are superseded by teachings of hatred and killing later in it.

    The fact that is taught does and will lead to distrust. Christians are taught that a lie is a lie.. no matter who it is told to. Muslims are taught its OK and is encouraged to lie to non-Muslims, and encouraged to only be honest with other Muslims.

    And while all Muslims aren't terrorists... too many are and they are encouraged by Imams who are allowed to continue doing so without being removed.

    True some Christian Priests have done things like molestations and should have been removed sooner than they were in many cases.

    Keep in mind when I say the following.. that I refer to now... in our current generation, today.

    Some Imams call for people to commit murder to innocent people, and nothing happens. If a priest did that... he would not be praised, but would be turned in and arrested.

    These are some of the things we see as non-Muslims that are major irritants. There are others, but those are some of the biggest.

    As you know... that will be a huge obstacle to surmount. Each side has its sensitivities.
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    Apr 23, 2011, 08:44 AM
    Hello,

    There is nothing wrong with sharing what you believe about your Islam beleifs, after all if you really like each other, you will respect her right to her beleifs and she should respect your righot to your beliefs. Our Creator gave each of us free will. He did not force us to serve him, but allowed each of us the freedom to choice who and how we will worhip him. This world is the way it is because all who wish others too conform to what they feel is right, instead of respecting each persons God given rightto chose for themselves.

    Tell your friend what you believe to be the truth about your Islam beliefs and you respectfully= allow her to share what she feels is right to her, then you both excersize your right to chose. As t where to start, ask yourself, "What do I believe in my heart about Islam teachings and then tell her what is in your heart. If you find peace with each others beliefs, great! If not, maybe it is time to move on. I wish you both well and hope you both find what you are looking for.

    Peace and love,
    Hope12

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