[excon]

Remember the "Arab spring" of 2005 ? How'd that work out ?

Hello again, tom:

Because you MIGHT wind up with another bastard, ISN'T a good enough reason NOT to overthrow the bastard you've got.

If the information released by Wikileaks FOMENTED this revolution, and it DID, then maybe WE could have done the same thing. Only WE could have MANAGED it so that WE get a desired result - instead of having to WATCH from the sidelines HOPING, beyond hope, that the outcome will be good.

Why didn't the gazillion $$$ we're spending with the NSA reveal THAT just a little truth would tip them over?? How did they MISS that?

excon

[tomder55]

If the information release by Wikileaks FOMENTED this revolution, and it DID

Ive already show that the self immolation of Mohamed Bouazizi on December 18, and the subsequent street demonstations was the event that led to the toppling of Ben Ali.
How a man setting fire to himself sparked an uprising in Tunisia | Brian Whitaker | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

I assure you that no one in Tunisia will tell you a Wiki dump pushed them over the brink. They talk of things they knew well before a US diplomat commented on the caulderon already brewing . You really believe that Wiki told them something they did not know ;that they hadn't lived with all their lives ?
Well here is part of what the cable says :
"Tunisians intensely dislike, even hate, First Lady Leila Trabelsi and her family. In private, regime opponents mock her; even those close to the government express dismay at her reported behavior."

Does that sound like the 1st Lady's antics were news to them? No it doesn't .
But it's a convenient projection to justify Assange's criminal piracy and espionage.

[excon]

Ive already show that the self immolation of Mohamed Bouazizi on December 18, and the subsequent street demonstations was the event that led to the toppling of Ben Ali

Hello again, tom:

You say X, I say Y. What else is new?

excon

[speechlesstx]

You say yes, I say no
You say stop and I say go, go, go...

I say high, you say low
You say why, and I say I don't know
You say goodbye and I say hello
Hello, hello
I don't know why you say goodbye
I say hello
Hello, hello

[tomder55]

Because you MIGHT wind up with another bastard, ISN'T a good enough reason NOT to overthrow the bastard you've got.

Still waiting for all that freedom in Iran over 30 years after that popular revolt.

[excon]

Still waiting for all that freedom in Iran over 30 years after that popular revolt.

Hello again, tom:

Funny you should mention that... We tied our future to the WRONG dude there. He wasn't very nice to his people, but he served OUR purposes... When the people overthrew him, they remembered WHO put him in power - US.

With minor variations, the same thing is true with the current crop of Arab tyrants... They serve OUR purposes, and we think it's cool.. I guess, their people don't...

That this revolution is happening, ain't news. That we were SURPRISED it's happening, is another intelligence failure of MONUMENTAL proportions.

excon

PS> (edited) Hillary Clinton is speaking as I write this... She's hedging just in case the people win. Nahhh... She's doing MORE than hedging. Maybe IF we had done that 30 years ago in Iran, we wouldn't be facing the enemy we are...

[tomder55]

As someone who spent time there the people enjoyed greater freedom under the Shah than they have experienced in the last 30+ years.

I predict the same result for all the nations that choose Islamic theocracy.

The Bush doctrine was premised as offering a 3rd way... but you call it imposition even though the people have more than once went to the polls and voted in secular leadership .

[tomder55]

meet the new boss ...same as the old boss

AFP: Tunisian president to get emergency powers

Tunisians call Mohamed Ghannouchi Mr. Oui Oui because he's always saying yes to Ben Ali.Mohamed Ghannouchi - The New York Times