[excon]

name that speaker.....

Under your prescription any mention of God in our history and culture would be scrubbed from the curriculum regardless of it's content . You cannot properly study the Enlightement or it's influence on the founders without that basic fact)

Hello again, tom:

I don't care if it was a liberals lib. He's WRONG. We only have ONE Pledge of Allegiance... It's NOT history. It's NOT culture. It's NOT study. It's what we ALL say. But, it doesn't apply to ALL of us. Before they inserted those two offending words, however, it DID.

Contrary to your assertion, I'm HAPPY to have religion and it's influence on American culture and history, STUDIED in school. You DO grasp the distinction between STUDY and PRAYER, don't you?

excon

[slapshot_oi]

For reference, Wellesly is a very white, very upper-crust and uptight Boston suburb where you can't even park your car on the street over-night.

If you don't go on these stupid field trips that all your friends are going on, you get to stay with a teacher all day and do homework, or copying words out of a dictionary. What kid wants to do that? It's blackmail.

Nope. And also a Jewish synagogue and also a Mormon temple (girls excluded again) and a Hindu temple and a Buddhist monastery. I only wish all that would have been done when I was a student.

If we have to go there, then we also need to include cults too.

[Just_Another_Lemming]

The entire point to the thread is that since schools are prohibited from touring Holy Cross, they should be equally prohibited from touring this terrorist-funded madrassa.

According to Fox News, that is exactly what this class was about. FOXNews.com - School Apologizes After Students Pray to Allah on Field Trip to Mosque

"Wong explained the field trip was part of a course titled, “Enduring Beliefs and the World Today.” It included a visit to a synagogue and a mosque – along with a gospel music concert and a meeting with representatives of the Hindu religion."

Based upon the above, I don't know if the students were actually allowed to visit a church or simply allowed to attend a gospel music concert. In any event, if the school was trying to teach children about "enduring beliefs and the world today", a field trip to at least one church was absolutely necessary to fulfill the coursework intent.

Wondergirl I am not faulting the people at the mosque for proselytizing .That's their job. I fault the school and particularily the escorts for not stopping it as inappropriate. Thankfully there was a suspicious parent with a video camera. One could just imagine the subtle and not so subtle pressure on the students to participate otherwise.

Tom, I absolutely agree. I do fault the school AND "particularly the escorts". However, I don't agree we should be thankful to this parent for the choice she made. I am left scratching my head wondering WHY she chose to videotape this incident RATHER than grab one or two other escorts and immediately stop what was occurring in front of her. It didn't take an army to intercede when the mosque representative began to proselytize and eventually manage to coerce 5 children (out of 200 on the field trip) into participating in their prayer service. I honestly don't understand how any responsible parent would be so passive when faced with something so abhorrent to our senses. Unless the intent was to create a news story. Curiously enough, another quote from the Fox News article might explain it all:

"Attorney Rob Meltzer represents the parent, who asked not to be identified. He’s launched an investigation into the incident and says he may consider filing a lawsuit or complaint against the school district."

If a lawsuit is filed it will cost the average taxpayer from that school district a great deal of money to defend something that NEVER should have been allowed to occur. In my opinion, not only was the school irresponsible for not monitoring this course/situation properly but THAT parent who made this into a nationwide news story was completely irresponsible in fulfilling her duties as a chaperone/escort. If it was one of my kids that participated in the prayer service, I would be spitting mad at her for not only failing to act in stopping my child but purposely taping him/her! I would be looking into holding that parent responsible and suing her.

[excon]

I honestly don't understand how any responsible parent would be so passive when faced with something so abhorrent to our senses. Unless the intent was to create a news story.

G'morning, J:

One of smoothy's references, "Public School Field Trip: Inside Video Captures Kids Bowing to Allah" is Andrew Brietbart's site.

Hmmm.. He sounds familiar... Isn't he the one who edited the tapes of Shirley Sherrod to make it appear she said ONE thing, when she, in fact, said something completely different??

I'm just saying.

excon

[Wondergirl]

I am left scratching my head wondering WHY she chose to videotape this incident RATHER than grab one or two other escorts and immediately stop what was occuring in front of her.

That was my thought also. Why didn't the escorts have the cajones to step in and stop the students from participating? Were they so blindsided, or was it a set-up since the Quorah-burner was off the front page and things had gotten dull in Medialand? Apparently, someone had time and opportunity on her hands to film the prayers (and am surprised the Muslims allowed that).

[tomder55]

I don't question her motive any more than I question anyone else's motives for using video. Everything that happens today is recorded . I also do not know it's a fact that the parent taping was a chaperone ,or if that parent raised objections.
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Breitbart exposed a corruption involving Shirley Sherrod much deeper than the racism charges that were later disproved . There are many who believe Breitbart's actual motives was to expose Sherrod's corruption in the “Pigford v. Glickman”case ;where she scammed the government out of $ millions .

Lol ,you make it sound like selective release of tape is a Breitbart invention.

[Wondergirl]

I also do not know it's a fact that the parent taping was a chaperone

That's what the original video said she was there for, to chaperone.

[tomder55]

Thanks... I didn't watch the whole video... only the edited tape.

Still this complaint about the parent seems a little like 'kill the messenger' .

[Wondergirl]

Still this complaint about the parent seems a little like 'kill the messenger' .

She snapped her camera out of her purse and perkily announced with horror that she was going to videotape the awful events that were currently taking place at the mosque *gasp*. (It wasn't quite like that, but she was "in the right time at the right place." While I was watching it, I felt like "that is a little too pat.")

[Just_Another_Lemming]

Tom, WG is right. Not only the video stated she was an escort/chaperone but the links posted throughout this thread state it as well.

I haven't chaperoned any field trips. I do remember being a kid with the mixed feeling of horror and embarrassment when my Mother chaperoned one trip and caught some kids smoking. She certainly didn't keep her mouth shut!

Part of the job of the parent as chaperone is not only to monitor the children's actions but to act as a teacher's aide and keep them from doing anything that might be considered harmful or goes against policy.

Please give some thought to this: If one of the 5 children was hers don't you think she would have grabbed him/her and kept them from joining in the prayer service? Wouldn't you if the child was yours? I certainly would. And, I would expect you as another parent to quietly and kindly tell the lady who was conducting the tour that she is entitled to her beliefs but this is considered a learning experience, not a participating one, and immediately hustle those children out of there.

[speechlesstx]

(It wasn't quite like that, but she was "in the right time at the right place." While I was watching it, I felt like "that is a little too pat.")

So what if it was? Obama called on all Americans to spy for him, if you saw anything that "seems fishy" about Obamacare he wanted you to send him an email at [email protected] and the NAACP just called for people to spy on the Tea Party. Holding schools accountable is a good thing, ratting out your neighbors for exercising their rights isn't.

[Wondergirl]

So what if it was?

You're comparing apples with oranges.

[speechlesstx]

You're comparing apples with oranges.

No, I am not.

[Wondergirl]

And what could there possibly be to report?

[speechlesstx]

For Obama and the NAACP's spies, nothing. That's the point. Holding schools accountable is a good thing, ratting out your neighbors for exercising their rights isn't.

[Wondergirl]

ratting out your neighbors for exercising their rights

If they are exercising their rights, what's to report? I don't get it.

[tomder55]

What exactly was the chaperone supposed to do ? Create a scene in the Mosque ? Physically prevent the students from participating ?

The bottom line here is that parents signed a permission slip to have their children observe. Knelling in prayer is not observing. I am not really interested in a possible motive for the taping other than the fact that one of the chaperone's had a camera available to record this so the denials could be nipped in the bud.
Too often I have heard stories of children being instructed to not inform their parents about the "lesson" they are being taught.

[Wondergirl]

What exactly was the chaperone supposed to do ?

One of the group leaders should have immediately walked up to the person inviting the students to pray along and quietly said that that wasn't the purpose of or part of the visit and that the group would simply stand at the back and watch, if that would be okay.

This was not rocket science.

The bottom line here is that parents signed a permission slip to have their children observe. Knelling in prayer is not observing.

Knelling is bell ringing. I agree that the visit was only to observe, not to participate. And again I say that students want to try things out, so it was up to the leaders or even a chaperone to step in and take charge and remind everyone why they were there. No one did. The fault is with the white guys, not the brown ones.

Did the chaperone tape anything else, or just this part?

[Catsmine]

The fault is with the white guys, not the brown ones.

Liberal racism rears it's ugly head again.

[Wondergirl]

Liberal racism rears it's ugly head again.

How do you figure? The brown guys run the mosque. The white people came for a visit. Didn't you watch the video?

How about I say the Muslims were not at fault; the visitors were.

"Liberal racism rears it's ugly head" s/b "its head" since "it's" means "it is." "Its" with no apostrophe is possessive.