[NeedKarma]

Psa 78:8 And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God.

Could you explain in plain english what that means and how it relates to standing on two legs?

[sndbay]

Could you explain in plain english what that means and how it relates to standing on two legs?

Someone not standing on two leg(metaphorically speaking) not stedfast, is easily beguiled by strange doctrine, and they waviers in what their heart accepted in belief. Doubt minded and unsure, easily tipped over in their faith toward false teaching.

I used both feet as metaphorically speaking, both feet on the ground being anchored by Christ Jesus not to fall. We following One Lord Christ Jesus, hearing His voice. And walk having the spirit in full assurance of One Faith and not easily beguiled. We walk in righteousness, as one with Christ who dwells within.

[galveston]

The entirety of God is easy to know.(I did not say UNDERSTAND)

Jesus showed us what the Father is like, and that is loving, forgiving, willing to be entreated.

If you have a family member or friend who exhibits some of these traits, are you afraid of that person? I doubt it.

Then you should not feel afraid of God, in the sense that you cannot approach Him.

The only person who needs to be afraid of God is the stubborn rebel or the hypocrite, pretending to be what he has no desire to be.

[TUT317]

Someone not standing on two leg(metaphorically speaking) not stedfast, is easily beguiled by strange doctrine, and they waviers in what their heart accepted in belief. Doubt minded and unsure, easily tipped over in their faith toward false teaching.

I used both feet as metaphorically speaking, both feet on the ground being anchored by Christ Jesus not to fall. We following One Lord Christ Jesus, hearing His voice. And walk having the spirit in full assurance of One Faith and not easily beguiled. We walk in righteousness, as one with Christ who dwells within.

Hi Sndbay,


It would seem that the various scholars of the New Testament would have had a variety of discourses available to them. As I mentioned one of these was the dialectical method. Such a method would appear to be "double minded". In the formative years of the Christian church such a method would have been effective in bringing opposing views together.

The other style available was Rhetorical (not to be confused with the modern definition) This style was opposed to anyone being in two minds.
This is the style most commonly quoted when we want people to "stand on two feet".

The variety of styles available would suit the historical situation and the intended aim. It depends how selective one wants to be in the looking process.

[arcura]

sndbay,
I agree somewhat with your statement about firmly standing on both legs.
I try very much to do so but there have been time when I wavered.
Next month I will be 77 years old and for the past 12 years my health has been going down hill.
I do realize that my age has much to do with that but it seems that every once in a short while something new goes wrong.
Now I have developed a very painful hernia that must be dealt with via a surgical procedure.
But first I must go through with a test on the strength of my heart with has cause me to have had 3 heart attacks.
In the past each new thing going wrong with me has caused me to waver, but not this time.
I have grown to accept the fact that my conditions are the consequences of living in this world and the choice I and others have made with our free will.
So now I do stand on both feet as well as I possibly can.
So far God has decided to have me stay in this world thus far, whatever His reason may be, and it is up to Him about how much longer I am to continue to be one of His servants here.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Wondergirl]

I try very much to do so but there have been time when I wavered.

We've all wavered, Fred, and will have those moments until we finally meet at His throne. Look for me. I'll be the redhead grinning and handing out freshly made chocolate cupcakes with chocolate fudge frosting and colored sprinkles.

[sndbay]

sndbay,
I agree somewhat with your statement about firmly standing on both legs.
I try very much to do so but there have been time when I wavered.
Next month I will be 77 years old and for the past 12 years my health has been going down hill.
I do realize that my age has much to do with that but it seems that every once in a short while something new goes wrong.
Now I have developed a very painful hernia that must be dealt with via a surgical procedure.
But first I must go through with a test on the strength of my heart with has cause me to have had 3 heart attacks.
In the past each new thing going wrong with me has caused me to waver, but not this time.
I have grown to accept the fact that my conditions are the consequences of living in this world and the choice I and others have made with our free will.
So now I do stand on both feet as well as I possibly can.
So far God has decided to have me stay in this world thus far, whatever His reason may be, and it is up to Him about how much longer I am to continue to be one of His servants here.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Just yesterday Fred, I spoke with my granddaughter. And my words to her were that being accountable in life is all apart of growing up. Where we place ourselves in life, is determined by the decisions we make. Those decisions are sometimes hard to bear. So we learn in older age and growth to use causion in those decisions, watching carefully.

One very important decision is that Jesus asked us to deny ourselves, to follow HIM. Your confession in belief, knowing it will be HIS will done is assuredly Faith In God.
Follow the firstborn Christ Jesus who is the begotten Son of God, and you can be begotten again of Christ, an adopted child of God.

Fred, I pray that your surgery goes well. And that you may be stedfast in comfort knowing God is with you.
May God bless Fred in being all He created him to be. And all harm bow down and flee from him. "IN JESUS NAME", the power that can move moutains, I ask this of you Lord. Amen

~in Christ

[Maggie 3]

Fred, God created the universe by His Words, He released His faith in
Words. We also create and put into motiont by the words we speak,
Because we were made in His image. "I speak the truth of God in love and I grow up into the Lord jesus Christ in all things" Eph. 4:15
I receive the Spirit Of wisdom and revelation of Him, the eyes of my understanding being enlightened. And I am not conformed to this world but am transformed by the renewing of my mind. My mind is renewed by
The Word of God. Eph1:17,18----Rom 12:2
"Iwill not let the Word of God depart from before my eyes for it is life to me for I have found and it is health and healing to my flesh." Pro. 4:21,22
We must be renewed in God's Word continually so we will not fall in to
Wrong thinking, The weakness of the flesh, taste good, feels good, looks good. etc.---
The more I deepend on the Lord the more I love Him and
In joy and serve Him.
My husband will be 84 in April and I am 78. My husband is a chaplain
At our regional hospital and serves there most every day of the week.
We know God's word is the power that keeps us physically and mentally
Well. Some days are tougher than others but we keep our hearts and mines on God 's promises. If you don't have a book containing God's promises it might be helpful to purchase one. It is very helpful to have a book that only contains the promises of God.
I let the peace of God rule in my heart and I refuse to worry about anything.

Love and Blessings, Maggie 3

[arcura]

Wondergirl and sndbay,
Thank you very much.
May God bless you all days in all ways,
Fred

[med_josef]

First off is knowing what the Bible says about what happens when we die. Ecclesiastes 9:5,10... Psalms 146:4,, to learn what the concept of hell, hades, or sheol is look to Job 14:13,, now if Jesus was faithful and true and perfect in every way, why would God send him to hell if it was a place of torment,, Acts 2:25-27,31,32,, early translators of the Bible used hell as way of scaring people into religion, when hell really means the common grave. That is why Jesus was in "hell,hades" or the common grave for three days. Would you consider a father to be just if he put his child's hand on a stove to punish him... now since as a punishment God made it so we would be in this imperfect state, and if he punished us in this way, would it be wise for the wicked who are already imperfect to be then punished for all eternity! Doesn't this seem contradictory of a loving father. Another scripure that may help you is found at Genesis 3:19... Wouldn't Adam who was perfect and then sinned be first in line to go to this hell or a place of torment.. no he was simply returned to the dust.. If we sinn and do not repent then we simply put die... Ezekial 18:4,, But if we find God, and his name, and follow his rules we will gain life,, Psalms 83:18,, psalms 37:29,, some go to heaven but that is a select few, the earth will have a day when no wicked will be left. And life will be abundant,, Revelation 7:4-8,, Isaiah 45:18,, Revelation 21:3,4, psalms 37:11,20

[Wondergirl]

now if Jesus was faithful and true and perfect in every way, why would God send him to hell if it was a place of torment,, Acts 2:25-27,31,32

God the Father didn't. Christians believe Jesus appeared there under His own steam in victory over Death.

now since as a punishment God made it so we would be in this imperfect state

We did this to ourselves. God didn't do it to us.

no he was simply returned to the dust... some go to heaven but that is a select few, the earth will have a day when no wicked will be left. And life will be abundant

Are you a Witness?

[Maggie 3]

Med-josef "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your
ways, My ways," says the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.

I believe our Father knows best.

[arcura]

med_josef,
Jesus went to hell to prove that the gates of hell would not stand against His Church which job is to help save souls.
Some believe that He went to the Purgatory portion when sins are purged.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[med_josef]

God the Father didn't. Christians believe Jesus appeared there under His own steam in victory over Death.

We did this to ourselves. God didn't do it to us.

Are you a Witness?

No not yet, I have been studying with them for six months, I mean I just like how every comment they make a scripture backs it up, this may be the wrong site for me I like all of your opinions but I need a scripture to back what ever it is you say. Call me crazy, I wanted to see what you all would say to this. Satan is the father of the lie, and he has done a good job. May you have peace, and continue your search for the only true God... bye

[med_josef]

med_josef,
Jesus went to hell to prove that the gates of hell would not stand against His Church which job is to help save souls.
Some believe that He went to the Purgatory portion when sins are purged.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Where does it mention purgatory in the Bible? Didn't Paul himself say when we die our sins are forgiven, why would a place of torment be needed if death in itself would clear us of our sins. Romans 6:5,,
May you keep on the search for the only true god

[Wondergirl]

i need a scripture to back what ever it is you say

Christians do. Witnesses interpret Scripture differently from Christians.

[sndbay]

med_josef,
Jesus went to hell to prove that the gates of hell would not stand against His Church which job is to help save souls.
Some believe that He went to the Purgatory portion when sins are purged.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

That is a denominational belief of the Catholic church Fred.

I trust that Christ died on the cross to set us free from sin and the curse Adam and Eve caused. Christ once in hell was able to deliver those that had died, (dead in their sins) so in prisoned before He was crucified. So the gates of hell could not provail against them or us. This shows the the fulfillment culminates in Messiah being the key of Spiritual Truth, Christ is the Key of David. The Lord of our Salvation.

This should be thought of as metaphorically speaking because we were all once doomed before Christ was crucified. The gulf that is referenced in scripture speaks of a place, half in torment, and the other half in the bosom of Abraham's care. (Luke 16:25-26)

2 Peter 3:14-15 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

[arcura]

sndbay,
The point I was tryi8ng to make was. "Jesus went to hell to prove that the gates of hell would not stand against His Church which job is to help save souls.
The mentioned of Purgatory was just to show another belief.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[galveston]

No not yet, i have been studying with them for six months, i mean i just like how every comment they make a scripture backs it up, this may be the wrong site for me i like all of your opinions but i need a scripture to back what ever it is you say. call me crazy,, i wanted to see what you all would say to this. satan is the father of the lie, and he has done a good job. May you have peace, and continue your search for the only true God... bye

Be careful with that study! I know how it works.

A statement is made that no one will disagree with, and a page or more of scripture references will be given to back it up.

Then one or two paragraphs will state something that they want you to believe, with absolutely NO scripture to back it up.

Followed by another page of non-controversial scripture quotations.

Check out those lone paragraphs. That is where the deception is.

[arcura]

galveston,
That's very good advice.
Fred