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- 62 - 32 percent in favor of giving people the option of a government insurance plan;
- 61 - 36 percent for higher taxes on high income earners to pay for health care reform;
- 60 - 32 percent in favor of insurance subsidies for individuals making up to $43,000 and families of four making up to $88,000;
- 54 - 38 percent for requiring businesses to provide insurance or pay the government.
- Women disapprove 49 - 41 percent, down from a 48 - 39 percent approval July 1;
- Voters 18 to 34 years old disapprove 48 - 44 percent, down from a 54 - 35 percent approval;
- Low income voters disapprove 47 - 43 percent, down from a 49 - 37 percent approval.
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 Originally Posted by inthebox
Ordinarily, you make sense. Here, you didn't. It's easy to say that I have a choice to use oil or not... But, it's kind of crazy to think that's a realistic alternative... Actually, you don't have a choice about oil or health care. To say you do, defeats your argument. excon |
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Mary Katharine Ham has sufficiently exposed the manufactured outrage that's demonizing concerned American citizens holding their leaders accountable. As I pointed out earlier, the Tea Parties grew out of the efforts of one woman wanting to make a difference. The organized "mob" that Think Progress 'exposed' is a small local group started by Bob MacGuffie and four friends...
Think Progress, MSNBC 'Manufacture' a Story With Putative Smoking Gun 'Mob' Memo
When the "manufactured" outrage the Left is trying to demonize lines up so inconveniently with public polling, it's sometimes necessary to create evidence for the "manufactured" storyline. Enter Think Progress, which unearthed this shocking, secret memo from the leader of a small grassroots conservative organization in Connecticut, which allegedly instructs members on "infiltrating town halls and harassing Democratic members of Congress." Right Principles PAC was formed by Bob MacGuffie and four friends in 2008, and has taken in a whopping $5,017 and disbursed $1,777, according to its FEC filing. "We're just trying to shake this state up and make a difference up here," MacGuffie told me during a telephone interview. He's surprised at his elevation to national rabble-rouser by the Left. Right Principles has a Facebook group with 23 members and a Twitter account with five followers. MacGuffie describes himself as an "opponent of leftist thinking in America," and told me he's "never pulled a lever" for a Republican or Democrat on a federal level. Yet this Connecticut libertarian's influence over a national, orchestrated Republican health-care push-back is strong, indeed, if you listen to liberal pundits and the Democratic National Committee, who have crafted a nefarious web out of refutable evidence. Think Progress highlighted his memo's directives to "‘Yell,’ ‘Stand Up And Shout Out,’ ‘Rattle Him’," calling it a "right-wing harassment strategy against Dems." The blog falsely connected MacGuffie to the national conservative group FreedomWorks through the most tenuous of threads. The Think Progress link that purports to establish MacGuffie as a FreedomWorks "volunteer" leads to his one blog posting on a Tea Party website (on the free social networking site, ning.com). Think Progress calls Tea Party Patriots a "FreedomWorks website." The problem is it's not a FreedomWorks site, according to FreedomWorks spokesman Adam Brandon. FreedomWorks is a "coalition partner" of TeaPartyPatriots.org, but does not fund the site in any way. "There is no formal structural connection," Brandon told me. "Never has been. Never will be. We're just fellow travelers in the movement." When I asked MacGuffie if he was a volunteer for FreedomWorks outside the specious evidence Think Progress cited, he said, "Absolutely not. You can Google all day; you won't find it. There is no formal connection. I don't know anyone from FreedomWorks." He joined the Tea Party Patriots community site when it was mentioned to him by several local Tea Party activists (whom he admits knowing.. . Smoking gun!), and "blogged there, very little." So MacGuffie, a local activist in Connecticut who never volunteered for FreedomWorks wrote a memo and also wrote a blog post on a site not paid for or hosted by FreedomWorks. There's your national conspiracy, folks. The block quote Think Progress provides from MacGuffie's memo (dutifully reproduced on other liberal blogs) also implies there are sentiments in the memo that simply aren't there. Each of TP's examples of the "harassment" MacGuffie is inciting is preceded by a headline MacGuffie didn't write, which lends a considerably more sinister tone than MacGuffie used. The bolded headlines below do not appear in the memo, but do appear in Think Progress' block quote of it: – Artificially Inflate Your Numbers: “Spread out in the hall and try to be in the front half. The objective is to put the Rep on the defensive with your questions and follow-up... The attempt to paint him as a professional, funded operative is off-base, MacGuffie said, laughing.– Be Disruptive Early And Often: “You need to rock-the-boat early in the Rep’s presentation, Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep’s statements early.” – Try To “Rattle Him,” Not Have An Intelligent Debate: “The goal is to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda. If he says something outrageous, stand up and shout out and sit right back down... "I guess they don't believe that people in America will stand up and fight back when government gets overbearing," said MacGuffie, who added that he originally e-mailed the memo to 8-10 Connecticut activists in June. As is often the case, MSNBC anchors and the DNC alike have taken Think Progress' inaccurate sleuthing at face-value, elevating the humble Right Principles to heretofore unknown levels of national importance. The Rachel Maddow Show repeated Think Progress' reporting on MacGuffie's connections, showing the memo, and declaring its author "affiliated with an organization called FreedomWorks." The DNC has now made the memo the centerpiece of its "Mob" ad out today, from which I grabbed this screen shot, at the :40 mark: Mob ad.png The voice over for this image says behavior at health-care town halls is "straight from the playbook of high-level Republican political operatives." Or, the memo of Bob MacGuffie of Fairfield, Conn. who once wrote a blog post on Tea Party Patriots, a site that is not funded or hosted by FreedomWorks. It's all the same if you're looking to discredit an entire movement of real voters, I suppose. The memo also includes these phrases, which are left out of the reporting and demagoguery:  "Do not bring the signs into the hall if you want any chance to be picked for a question." "Don't carry on and make a scene, just short, intermittent shout-outs," which may sound familiar because the shout-out part was quoted without context by Think Progress. It also offers such guerrilla tactics as, "When the formal Q&A begins, get your hands up and keep them up— be persistent throughout the entire session. Keep body language neutral and look positive to improve chances of being selected." It instructs participants to be ready with follow-up questions and insist that representatives answer questions instead of launching into talking points. The memo outlined strategies MacGuffie had used during a town hall meeting with his Rep. Jim Himes in May of this year. While organizing that event and writing the memo, he emphasized that critics should not get out of hand, he said. His objective was to "make sure we didn't get kicked around, asked good, thought-out questions, and had follow-ups ready," he said. "We took him off his script, but we did not shout him down." The tactics in the memo produced this horrifying civic spectacle. This is what the liberal blogs, Rachel Maddow, and the DNC are intent on preventing. I dare you to find even one errant word or rude action in Bob MacGuffie's "orchestrated, hateful" action. After all, he is the father of our movement: "[Our representatives] work for us, and there's a lot of good people up here who feel that way," MacGuffie said. "All of us have better things to do with our lives... and these are all real people. They just have to paint us as something else, I guess." Posted by Mary Katharine Ham on August 5, 2009 05:35 PM Meanwhile in addition to all the other examples of hypocrisy from Community-Organizer-In-Chief Barack "get in their face" Obama and his useful idiots, last month he held a conference call with bloggers to urge them to apply pressure to lawmakers on Obamacare. And did I say this White House is also looking for snitches? |
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It just keeps getting better, and the left can't even figure out the sheer lunacy they're displaying. Madame Pelose claims these corporate shills out there protesting are carrying swastikas to town hall meetings.
Nancy Pelosi claims protesters are "carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on healthcare." And even better, seems she took the cue from the Kossacks. Yep, that's how we want to organize and gain momentum, get that "mob" out there out with their swastikas. |
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Well now, looks like the big (ORGANIZED) guns are coming out for Obama. The largest federation of unions in the country, the AFL-CIO is mobilizing to confront those "mobs" and "thugs" otherwise known as American citizens and taxpayers.
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Originally Posted by excon
There is a CHOICE IN HEALTHCARE. An individual can CHOOSE to go with or without health insurance, or smoke, or not exercise, or drink too much. An individual can CHOOSE to see an acupuncturist, or a chiropracter, or turn to alternative medicine. Americans Spend $33.9 Billion On Alternative Medicine Like I said, your teenager or 20 something earning minimum wage pays 7.65% Into Payroll Taxes: Basic Information for All Employers into a someone else's medicare and social security when there is a chance that they might not even live to medicare age or that medicare will be solvent when they qualify. Now in this case THERE IS NO CHOICE G&P |
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Taxpayers are allegedly carrying Swastikas... Taxpayers are Brown Shirts...
"What we're seeing right now is close to Brown Shirt tactics," Baird, D-Vancouver, said in a phone interview. "I mean that very seriously."
Efforts to disrupt town hall meetings on health care reform are un-American, U.S. Sen. Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark. said today, though she later issued a statement retracting the remark.
“It’s so sad, because it’s diminishing to the process, it’s diminishing to our outcome,” Lincoln said in a conference call with reporters. “I think it’s sad that they choose to do that. I think it’s un-American and disrespectful.” A few hours later, Lincoln issued the following statement: “Although I do believe that some of these protesters are disrespectful of other citizens in the audience who truly want to ask questions about health care, I shouldn’t have used the term ‘un-American.’ I support the right of every Arkansan to speak out and have their voices heard. I would just ask that we all continue to work in a constructive way to rebuild our economy and fine-tune out health care system so it works for all of us.” 
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Originally Posted by ETWolverine
You wear blinders, that's why. The REST of the world see's the truth, though. excon PS> I'm a dissenter. I LOVE to dissent... But, I NEVER disrupted a meeting and called it dissent... But, you guys call sort of things by the wrong name... Didn't your mom's teach you English?? |
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Originally Posted by ETWolverine
Raw Story Maddow calls out GOP operatives behind healthcare mobs [quote]These political consultants and big-money backers are selling “crazy, disprovable, but nevertheless endlessly stoked conspiracy theories that health care reform is communism, that it’s a secret plot to kill your grandpa, that it’s a government takeover, it’s something called Obama-care. It’s going to mandate abortions. It’s going to mandate sex change operations.” She added: “I would make up something that could be the next crazy thing, but everything I could think of that is that crazy has already been actually used by these people.” (Health reform, Maddow went on to say, is of course not a plot to kill old people.The GOP has claimed it is, pointing to a measure that would cover the cost of making a living will — even though that measure was proposed by a Republican.) The centerpiece of Maddow’s shot at the so-called healthcare “mobs” was an examination of a Web site promoting protests during the congressional recess through August. The site — recessrally.com — features a list of sponsoring groups that include familiar names in conservative spheres, such as Michelle Malkin and the Red State blog. But it also includes a number of vaguely-named organizations like “Freedom Works,” “American Majority” and “The Sam Adams Society.” At time of this writing, recessrally.com and the site that appears to host some of its digital assets — americanlibertytour.com — were offline. In Google’s cache of both sites (1, 2), neither provides image assets and it was not immediately apparent as to why. Recess Rally’s Facebook page illustrates their ties to the tax day tea parties and advertises anti-health protests outside every congressman’s office on August 22. And just who are behind these groups? “The executive director of American Majority’s Minnesota office — ko’inky dink — regional field director for Bush-Cheney ‘04,” began Maddow. “Executive director of their Kansas office would be a former Republican state legislator; executive director of their Oklahoma office, a former Washington, D.C. conservative lobbyist — you know, just your average middle-class Americans.” Another ‘Recess Rally’ sponsor is The Sam Adams Society, run by “the former executive director of the Illinois State Republican Party,” said Maddow. “Sam Adams Alliance is also led by a former Dow Chemicals engineer who’s also president of the nation’s largest conservative state-level policy think tank…” Finally, and what Maddow called “the most illustrative of all,” is Americans for Prosperity, run by Art Pope. “Art Pope. Art Pope,” she said. “Why does that name sound familiar? Oh, right! That’s the headquarters of the North Carolina Republican Party. That building is named after Art Pope because Art Pope is a multi-millionaire far-right activist who’s given the Republican Party in North Carolina so much money over the years that they could think of no grander gesture than to name their headquarters building after him.” After all, they’re just “average, middle-class Americans” much like yourself, Maddow concluded with a smirk.{/quote] |
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Interesting new Quinnipiac poll on health care:
August 5, 2009 - Scrap Health Care Reform If It Adds To Deficit, U.S. Voters Tell Quinnipiac University National Poll; Voters Disapprove Of Obama's Handling Of Health Care
American voters, by a 55 - 35 percent margin, are more worried that Congress will spend too much money and add to the deficit than it will not act to overhaul the health care system, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today. By a similar 57 - 37 percent margin, voters say health care reform should be dropped if it adds "significantly" to the deficit. By a 72 - 21 percent margin, voters do not believe that President Barack Obama will keep his promise to overhaul the health care system without adding to the deficit, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University national poll finds. American voters disapprove 52 - 39 percent of the way President Obama is handling health care, down from 46 - 42 percent approval July 1, with 60 - 34 percent disapproval from independent voters. Voters say 59 - 36 percent that Congress should not pass health care reform if only Democratic members support it. Voters are split 39 - 41 percent on whether the President's health care plan will improve or hurt the quality of health care in the nation, with 14 percent saying it won't make a difference. Only 21 percent of voters say the plan will improve the quality of care they receive, while 36 percent say it will hurt their quality of care and 39 percent say it will make no difference. "President Barack Obama and Democratic leaders in Congress appear to be losing the public relations war over their plan to revamp the nation's health care system," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. "Americans are more willing to scrap a health care overhaul than they are to increase the deficit in order to produce such legislation. That's a bad omen for the White House and Congressional leadership as they try to sell their plan to the country this month before the vote counting gets serious on Capitol Hill in September." There is still strong support for critical elements of the Obama/Democratic plan: Independent voters, perhaps the key voting group, are more worried about the deficit rising than congressional inaction, 54 - 37 percent. These voters say 59 - 36 percent that overhaul should not occur if it would "significantly" increase the deficit. Independents oppose 63 - 33 percent passing a bill with only Democratic votes. Independent voters also don't think Obama can keep his promise to avoid increasing the deficit and pass health care by an overwhelming 77 - 17 percent. "The key to this political battle over health care out in the country is independent voters. And that bloc is the key to most elections," Brown added. "These are the voters who broke strongly for the President last November and who were in his corner during the first months of his administration. But on these key health care questions they are siding with critics who question whether health care reform is worth the projected cost." Support for Obama's handling of health care is down among key groups: "Another indication that opponents of the President's approach have been making points with the voters," said Brown. From July 27 - August 3, Quinnipiac University surveyed 2,409 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of +/- 2 percentage points. The Quinnipiac University Poll, directed by Douglas Schwartz, Ph.D. conducts public opinion surveys in Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Florida, Ohio and the nation as a public service and for research. For more data or RSS feed - Quinnipiac University Polling Institute - Quinnipiac University – Hamden, Connecticut, or call (203) 582-5201. Elliot |
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