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jenniepepsi · Jul 13, 2009, 03:49 PM

*ugh I STILL have to spread rep before I can rep you again judy. But here is a vitural greenie. Well said!

Tj3 · Jul 13, 2009, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by JudyKayTee

You are certainly entitled to interpret your Bible in any way you wish - I don't just don't happen to agree with you.

It does not matter if you agree with me. I just quoted what God says in His word. Your disagreement therefore is not with me, but with Him.

It's the people who are so busy judging other people that I wonder/worry about - good that you can cast the first stone.

I judged no one. You however appear to have judged me by making that comment. Consider before you point fingers!

kaseyatim · Jul 13, 2009, 04:15 PM

It is always A great thing for someone to find that in themselves no matter orientation , backgroun, race, anything it is in your heart that matters and God will guide him to where he needs to be that is not for anyone to say where he needs to be or what he needs to do not I, not U, not anyone on the Internet and I will include your family in our night time prayers tonight , that you all may find everything that you are seeking, and that your happiness will grow with time... Have a good one and I am happy for you!!

JudyKayTee · Jul 13, 2009, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

It does not matter if you agree with me. I just quoted what God says in His word. Your disagreement therefore is not with me, but with Him.

I judged no one. You however appear to have judged me by making that comment. Consider before you point fingers!

Your God may have said that. Mine did not. There's a difference.

You judged no one? Read your post again.

Tj3 · Jul 13, 2009, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by JudyKayTee

Your God may have said that. Mine did not. There's a difference.

So we follow different Gods. I can believe and accept that. I follow the God of the Bible. I don't know you, so I am not familiar with your religion.

You judged no one? Read your post again.

I did - did you? If you are going to make accusations, it might be good for you to at least bring forward evidence - or better still, I would suggest that posting public accusations against another board member in a thread dedicated to a different topic is in fact inappropriate and represents hijacking of the thread.

JudyKayTee · Jul 13, 2009, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

I did - did you? If you are going to make accusations, it might be good for you to at least bring forward evidence - or better still, I would suggest that posting public accusations against another board member in a thread dedicated to a different topic is in fact inappropriate and represents hijacking of the thread.

Concerning the portion I have placed in bold - evidence of what? I will post the exact threads and names if it is appropriate. I personally don't think that is appropriate.

But let the moderators decide.

Tj3 · Jul 13, 2009, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by JudyKayTee

Concerning the portion I have placed in bold - evidence of what? I will post the exact threads and names if it is appropriate. I personally don't think that is appropriate.

But let the moderators decide.

I was referring to evidence of your accusations, which you choose to make public but not substantiate.

JudyKayTee · Jul 13, 2009, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

I was referring to evidence of your accusations, which you choose to make public but not substantiate.

I don't want to distract from the subject or highjack the thread BUT you can use the search feature and find what I have referenced.

If you can't and a moderator feels the info must be made public, so be it.

Tj3 · Jul 13, 2009, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by JudyKayTee

I don't want to distract from the subject or highjack the thread BUT you can use the search feature and find what I have referenced.

If you can't and a moderator feels the info must be made public, so be it.

You keep making vague references to something that you claim that I did, and suggest that everyone go look for whatever it may be, but unwilling to actually substantiate. There is are words for that - innuendo and gossip.

I would once again suggest two things.

1) I would suggest that you cease hijacking the thread. If you have something to report to a moderator, do so.

2) If you cannot hold back from hijacking the thread with allegations, at least substantiate your claims.

Now, since it appears that you are not going to follow the suggestion in #2, please follow #1 and let us get on with the topic of the thread.

Tj3 · Jul 13, 2009, 05:13 PM

Let's try to get back to the topic:

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It is important to realize that it is a choice. We all struggle with sin our lives. And all believers hate it when they sin. I never understood why so much focus is given on this one sin. Look at how Paul struggled with the sin nature:

Rom 7:13-25
13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
NKJV

I don't know why they would hate themselves - but as they grow in the knowledge of God and His word, and as the Holy Spirit continues to guide them in their Christian walk, they will more and more see how their lives fail to align with what God wants for them - as it is for the rest of us. The sin may be different, but a person who struggles with the sin of homosexuality should be treated as being no better or no worse than a person who struggles with a multitude of other sins, like you and I.

Tj3 · Jul 13, 2009, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by homesell

It isn't even a matter of "choosing" to be homosexual. It is a matter of choosing to please ourselves by having sex outside of marriage whether it be fornication, adultery, lust, sodomy, etc. You can quote me on this next one, "the 'world' encourages an irresponsible obsession with immediate sensual gratification."
Oh and by the way, TJ3 is right and if Judykaytree does have a different God, why is she making comments on the christianity circuit? I mean how can you be a follower of Christ(a christian) and not believe what jesus said?

I tried to give you a "greenie" but I need to spread more around first.

I agree entirely with what you said here.

JudyKayTee · Jul 13, 2009, 05:48 PM

[QUOTE=Tj3 disagrees: False unsubstnatiate accusations are not appropriate..[/QUOTE]

It is the decision of a moderator that my accusations were not appropriate and were false and "unsubstnatiate" (whatever that means)?

If so, with the moderator's approval, I will post names and threads. Then when this turns into a civil war we can both be on the firing line.

PLUS this is a revenge reddie - so much for Christian "turn the other cheek." As with everyone, I pay more attention to action than words.

I think it's all been said - instead of supporting "Jennie" we are tearing her cousin apart.

Enough - time to close.

Tj3 · Jul 13, 2009, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by JudyKayTee

It is the decision of a moderator that my accusations were not appropriate and were false and "unsubstnatiate" (whatever that means)?

If so, with the moderator's approval, I will post names and threads.

So I presume that you are saying until then, you intend to keep hijacking the thread? Is that right?

PLUS this is a revenge reddie - so much for Christian "turn the other cheek." As with everyone, I pay more attention to action than words.

Judging again, are you?

JudyKayTee · Jul 13, 2009, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

So I presume that you are saying until then, you intend to keep hijacking the thread? Is that right?

Judging again, are you?

Yes, that's right and yes, I'm judging, specifically you.

You didn't answer my question - you reported my post to the moderator. What was the decision before I post the threads I referred to?

Tj3 · Jul 13, 2009, 05:52 PM

Wondergirl disagrees: Has Jennipepsi asked her cousin when did he choose to be gay??

I don't don't what difference "when" makes, but if instead of posting a "reddie", if you chose to ask or even read the question, you would have gotten your answer. Here is a quote from the OP.

"my 19 year old cousin is gay. he has been since he was 16."

Tj3 · Jul 13, 2009, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by JudyKayTee

Yes, that's right and yes, I'm judging, specifically you.

So, you make demeaning remarks and accusations about others judging, when you do that very same thing yourself - there is a word for that also.

I ask again if you would please stop hijacking the thread.

JudyKayTee · Jul 13, 2009, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

So, you make demeaning remarks and accusations about others judging, when you do that very same thing yourself - there is a word for that also.

I ask again if you would please stop hijacking the thread.

Again - what did the moderator say?

Oh, Wondergirl - brace yourself for the revenge reddie that will soon be coming your way.

Tj3 · Jul 13, 2009, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by JudyKayTee

You didn't answer my question - you reported my post to the moderator. What was the decision before I post the threads I referred to?

I had not reported anything - you are the one who kept speaking about moderators.

I said that if you had anything to say about others, then you should leave it off the thread and take it to the moderators.

Tj3 · Jul 13, 2009, 05:58 PM

Let's try to get back to the topic:

----------------

It is important to realize that it is a choice. We all struggle with sin our lives. And all believers hate it when they sin. I never understood why so much focus is given on this one sin. Look at how Paul struggled with the sin nature:

Rom 7:13-25
13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
NKJV

I don't know why they would hate themselves - but as they grow in the knowledge of God and His word, and as the Holy Spirit continues to guide them in their Christian walk, they will more and more see how their lives fail to align with what God wants for them - as it is for the rest of us. The sin may be different, but a person who struggles with the sin of homosexuality should be treated as being no better or no worse than a person who struggles with a multitude of other sins, like you and I.

Tj3 · Jul 13, 2009, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by homesell

It isn't even a matter of "choosing" to be homosexual. It is a matter of choosing to please ourselves by having sex outside of marriage whether it be fornication, adultery, lust, sodomy, etc. You can quote me on this next one, "the 'world' encourages an irresponsible obsession with immediate sensual gratification."
Oh and by the way, TJ3 is right and if Judykaytree does have a different God, why is she making comments on the christianity circuit? I mean how can you be a follower of Christ(a christian) and not believe what jesus said?

I tried to give you a "greenie" but I need to spread more around first.

I agree entirely with what you said here.