[galveston]

Ok all you experts. Is this for real or a total fabrication?



Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes has given perhaps his most dire warning yet, saying that the Obama administration is preparing to stage terror attacks, declare martial law and cancel the 2012 elections, which is why they are demonizing their political enemies as criminals and terrorists.



Keyes is best known for his performance during the 2000 Republican presidential debates, when he was accredited by many media outlets as being the clear winner during a series of debates with George W. Bush and John McCain.



“It’s obvious that they will stop at nothing,” Keyes told attendees of a reception in Fort Wayne, adding, “We may wake up one day and there’s a series of terrorist attacks, the economy is paralysed….martial law will be declared everywhere in the United States and it won’t end until the crisis ends.”



Keyes said that Americans should be thankful if they even see another election in 2012, stating, “If we don’t wake up and work to see that it happens, we will not see another election.”



“The minute they think they can get away with it, they will end this system of government and that is their intention,” added Keyes, noting that everyone acting as if the time we are in was just “business as usual” reminds him of the attitude of politicians in the Weimar Republic when Hitler was rising to power or eastern Europe when the Communists were taking over after the second world war.



Keyes said that because the majority of people are decent-minded, they believe others will play by the rules when this simply isn’t the case, warning that this attitude will allow evil to take over before we can do anything about it.





“It is so clear hat we have now put a faction in place - they are not playing by the rules and they don’t intend to play by the rules - if they were playing by the rules they wouldn’t have tried to identify their opposition as criminals,” added Keyes, making reference to the recent controversy surrounding the release of the MIAC and Homeland Security reports, which implied that Americans who exercise and are knowledgeable about their constitutional rights are a threat to law enforcement and potential domestic terrorists.



Keyes said that the only solution was from the bottom up because our leaders “are so gutless that they won’t even ask that the Constitution be enforced for clear, plain, absolutely unequivocal requirements,” and respond meekly with “their lips shut and their hearts terrorized.”



Keyes also warned of Obama’s agenda to create a civilian security force and said it was part of the ultimate agenda to disarm American citizens and create a police state.



Keyes has been a vocal critic of Obama, warning that he is a radical Communist who is determined to destroy America , and that if his agenda is not stopped then the country as we know it will cease to exist.

[Skell]

Clearly a whack job. He should be placed in a mental institution.

What are your thoughts Gal? You believe him?

[tomder55]

Yes he is... but why is it that when he suggests such things he's a whack job... but the lefty's who claimed for years that President Bush was responsible for 9-11; would suspend the elections and was building concentration camps were considered credible ? Michael Moore made a fortune and was invited to the Democrat convention based on such pablum .

[speechlesstx]

I don't pay much attention to Keyes. But he's no worse than the wackos on the other side railing over the coming Bush theocracy. Or like Harvey Wasserman & Bob Fitrakis that warned of Bush canceling last year's election.

It is time to think about the "unthinkable."

The Bush administration has both the inclination and the power to cancel the 2008 election.

The GOP strategy for another electoral theft in 2008 has taken clear shape, though we must assume there is much more we don't know.

But we must also assume that if it appears to Team Bush/Cheney/Rove that the GOP will lose the 2008 election anyway (as it lost in Ohio 2006), we cannot ignore the possibility that they would simply cancel the election. Those who think this crew will quietly walk away from power are simply not paying attention.

The real question is not how or when they might do it. It's how, realistically, we can stop them.

[galveston]

My actual interest is whether Keyes actually said it or whether it is an attempt to discredit him.

Keyes does have some national standing, after all.

To answer Skell, after thinking it over, I doubt it would come down that way. Obama would have to abandon his early Islamic training and also his purported conversion to Christianity.

The "what if" scenario that I posted earlier could produce the same result, but Obama's role would be that of martyr rather than dictator.

[tomder55]

YouTube - Dr. Alan Keyes says, Obama will stage Terror Attacks and declare Martial Law

[ETWolverine]

I don't know whether Keyes said it or not. I also do not know whether it is Obama's intention... though I would tend to doubt it.

However, I believe that it is a good thing that we have a 2nd Amendment, and the POSSIBILITY that something like this could happen is the very reason the 2nd Amendment was put in place in the first place.

That said, considering that there is a 2nd Amendment, and that the NRA estimates that there are over 300 million guns of varying types in the hands of American citizens, I doubt that Obama could get away with such an attempt if he tried.

Even if he were to call in the Army to put down any uprisings against such actions, and even if the military were to ignore the posse comitatus laws, the military would be outnumbered on the order of 300 to 1.

And that assumes that every soldier, marine, sailor, national guardsman and airman were to be fully trained for ground combat operations. (Generally only one soldier in ten is a combat soldier in the real world.)

Yes, the soldiers have better equipment (tanks, planes, etc.) but the correlation of forces would still be severely in favor of the civilian population. (That is why the 2nd Amendment was created by the founders... smart bunch of guys there. They WANTED the military to be outgunned by the civilian population to prevent the very situation that the original post suggests.) So I am not all that worried about such an attempt at a political/military coup by Obama.

Elliot

[spitvenom]

First I never believed the people who said that Bush had something to do with 9-11. Second If Obama or anyone did that I would be standing next to you with my gun. Yes this lefty owns a Walther P99. And I go to the shooting range regularly.

[galveston]

First I never believed the people who said that Bush had something to do with 9-11. Second If Obama or anyone did that I would be standing next to you with my gun. Yes this lefty owns a Walther P99. And I go to the shooting range regularly.

Good for you!

But let's see if you are really a leftie.

Glen Beck has been giving as concise a description of left and right that I have seen. It goes like this:

The extreme left would have to be totalitarian govt. It controls ALL details. If that is so, then the opposite (right) would have to be anarchy. No govt controls at all.

What we want is something between the two extremes.

Now your comment leads me to believe that there are some things about your life that you DO NOT want the gov. controlling. You do not want totalitarianism. Therefore you may not be the leftie that you thought. Right?

[excon]

Yes he is .....but why is it that when he suggests such things he's a whack job ....but the lefty's who claimed for years that President Bush was responsible for 9-11;

Hello tom:

The difference is the whack jobs on the left would never be taken seriously for the job as president. Your whack job WAS.

excon

[excon]

So I am not all that worried about such an attempt at a political/military coup by Obama.

Hello El:

Psssst. He's the president. He doesn't need to stage a coup.

excon

[spitvenom]

Good for you!

But let's see if you are really a leftie.

Glen Beck has been giving as concise a descripton of left and right that I have seen. It goes like this:

The extreme left would have to be totalitarian govt. It controls ALL details. If that is so, then the opposite (right) would have to be anarchy. No govt controls at all.

What we want is something between the two extremes.

Now your comment leads me to believe that there are some things about your life that you DO NOT want the gov. controlling. You do not want totalitarianism. Therefore you may not be the leftie that you thought. Right?

Hey Gal,
Your are correct I am not the extreme left. I do not personally know a single person that wants total gov control. In 2000 I was just about to pull the lever for Bush but switched at the last minute. I do not vote straight Dem. Until a year ago I was an Independent I only switched to Dem for the PA primary. The thing that stops me from being a republican is the religious aspect of the party. It is such a turn off that I want nothing to do with it. A lot of people my age (31) feel the same way.

[excon]

The "what if" scenario that I posted earlier could produce the same result, but Obama's role would be that of martyr rather than dictator.

Hello again, gal:

You are still clinging to this warped conspiracy theory about Obama's death. Please send me a copy of the email so that I can investigate who is saying this crap. You're not making this up by yourself.

On to other matters. Beck is wrong. Tyranny can come from the left OR the right. Consider that the right wants to make all sorts of laws about how you conduct your PERSONAL life, like what you smoke, who you screw, who you marry, and on and on.

excon

[speechlesstx]

On to other matters. Beck is wrong. Tyranny can come from the left OR the right. Consider that the right wants to make all sorts of laws about how you conduct your PERSONAL life, like what you smoke, who you screw, who you marry, and on and on.

Yeah, the left just wants to tell you what to think, what to say, what to eat, what to drive, what to listen to on the radio or watch on TV and keep you from owning a gun. That's much more bearable.

[excon]

Yeah, the left just wants to tell you what to think, what to say, what to eat, what to drive, what to listen to on the radio or watch on TV and keep you from owning a gun. That's much more bearable.

Hello again, Steve:

Tyranny from the left or the right sucks either way. But, to proclaim that BECKS side is free from tyrannical practices is the ultimate hypocrisy.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

Tyranny from the left or the right sucks either way. But, to proclaim that BECKS side is free from tyrannical practices is the ultimate hypocrisy.

excon

No argument there, I just find your examples to be much less sinister than the thought police.

[ETWolverine]

Hello El:

Psssst. He's the president. He doesn't need to stage a coup.

excon

He does if he wants to become "President For Life" like Hugo Chavez or the Castro boys.

Again, we are assuming that Keyes' statements about what Obama intends are true.

IF Obama wants to become a life-appointee,
IF he plans on using some sort of national emergency to declare a martial law to halt the election process, which would be a political coup,
IF he plans on using the military to enforce his martial law, which would be a military coup,
IF the military goes along with it and ignores posse comitatus,
THEN we can be happy that the citizens of the USA outgun and outnumber the military by a factor of at least 300:1.

That is the essence of my post.

Elliot

[excon]

Again, we are assuming that Keyes' statements about what Obama intends are true.

Hello again, El:

No! YOU'RE assuming it. It's drek, foolishness, stupid, off the wall, and highly conspiratorial. In short, it mirrors your thoughts pretty damn closely. I do NOT address crap like that.

excon

[NeedKarma]

Again, we are assuming that Keyes' statements about what Obama intends are true.

nah it's just you. It seems to fulfill some masturbatory fantasy for you.

[ETWolverine]

Hey Gal,
Your are correct I am not the extreme left. I do not personally know a single person that wants total gov control.

Really?

Let's see:

The left wants to control your right to bear arms.
The left wants to control religious expression in public.
The left wants to control how much money you can earn or keep.
The left wants to control which doctors you see, what medical technologies you can use, what medical procedures you can be given.
The left wants to control how warm you keep your house, and what you use to keep it warm.
The left wants to control what you can drive and how you fuel your car.
The left wants to control what you can plant and how you plant it.
The left wants to control what foods you eat and what you drink.
The left wants to control what you can hear on the radio.
The left wants to control the education system.
The left wants to control your retirement funding.
The left wants to control what lightbulbs you use.
The left wants to control what businesses can produce and what people can consume.
The left even wants to control your toilets.

In fact, I cannot think of a single aspect of our lives that the left DOESN'T want to control. Every single one of the things that I mentioned above are based on laws legislated into existence by the left in this country or "decided into existence" by the courts. Or in one case, it is based on something currently being pushed by the Obama Administration, and which is likely to come into existence shortly.

YOU may not want total control by the government. And neither may any single individuak you know. But if you put all the various goals of the left together as a whole, what you find is that COLLECTIVELY the left wants to control EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of our lives.

In 2000 I was just about to pull the lever for Bush but switched at the last minute. I do not vote straight Dem. Until a year ago I was an Independent I only switched to Dem for the PA primary. The thing that stops me from being a republican is the religious aspect of the party. It is such a turn off that I want nothing to do with it. A lot of people my age (31) feel the same way.

Spit, are you saying that because you don't like religion you can't be a Republican?

Geeze, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

As a Jew, I tend to cringe quite a bit at the Christian right. But I don't base my beliefe system on what OTHER people think, say or do. I am a Conservative because I believe in conservative fundamental philosophies. I joined the Republican party and vote for Conservative and Republican candidates because their philosophies are more in line with mine that those of Democrats and liberals. The fact that some other people in the party have religious beliefes that I disagree with doesn't change what I believe.

I find it strange that someone else's religious beliefes are so repugnant to you that you feel unable to share a party affiliation with them. I think that says more about you than it does about them.