[coogiez]

hey thar!

I was reading over the posts I made a while ago, dang I sounded like an arrogant bastard, but I'm thinking that's a formality, now I've come to, when in a contextual stance, simply talk about the factual/theoretical side of the subject more and less about "my own personal idea" and definitely less about whether others accept what I say, and more whether they understand what I say.

I guess :p

anyway, too the subject at hand:


Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position that argues that existence is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Nihilists generally assert that objective morality does not exist, so subsequently there is no objective moral value with which to logically prefer one action over another. Nihilists who argue that there is no objective morality may claim that existence has no intrinsic higher meaning or goal. They may also claim that there is no reasonable proof or argument for the existence of a higher ruler or creator, or posit that even if higher rulers or creators exist, humanity has no moral obligation to worship them.

The term nihilism is sometimes used synonymously with anomie to denote a general mood of despair at the pointlessness of existence. Movements such as Futurism and deconstructionism, among others, have been identified by commentators as "nihilistic" at various times in various contexts. Often this means or is meant to imply that the beliefs of the accuser are more substantial or truthful, whereas the beliefs of the accused are nihilistic, and thereby comparatively amount to nothing (or are simply claimed to be destructively amoralistic).

Nihilism is also a characteristic that has been ascribed to time periods: for example, Jean Baudrillard and others have called post-modernity a nihilistic epoch, and some Christian theologians and figures of religious authority have asserted that
post-modernity and many aspects of modernity represent the rejection of God, and therefore are nihilistic.

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Anonymous poster A: I do not see why nihilism is seen as such a bad thing. Nihilism isn't a terribly profound stance. It's just the truth. There is no real meaning to anything. It doesn't mean you should be depressed or stop caring or stop trying in life, it doesn't mean that we don't assign meanings to things ourselves; but as far as there being a greater meaning to anything, an official meaning, no. That does not exist.
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Anonymous poster B: “It's just the truth. There is no real meaning to anything.”
According to whom?
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Me: "According to whom?"

No one, because this truth's meaning is defined as a philosophical position that argues that existence is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.

Meaning ones own subjective perspective that may define their understanding of it are unneeded in defining it's meaning.

So it's not according to “whom" but "what".

The "what" being reality, which is an objective, amoralistic concept, with it’s meaning, like “cosmos” deeply rooted in the concept of following deterministic, laws of nature meaning the word "nihilist" is also objective and amoral in definition.


Now, what I'm trying to point out is that nihilism works on the objective level, meaning it's here, with or without conscious thought.

Yet regardless of that, subjective thought can and does prosper, just because there is a philosophy, say nihilism, that shows everything, along with other philosophies and theories, that the universe works on deterministic laws of nature.
It doesn’t mean the whole concept of emotion, and all it entails is outright stupid, let alone worthless, it means in an objective stance, it’s worthless, because these deterministic laws of nature make it useless.

Now, considering subjective viewpoints, and a lack of knowledge, seeing such things as following “deterministic laws of nature” may seem almost implausible, but only because the ones looking at it, are looking at it from a subjective view-point, and have a lack of knowledge on the subjects at hand.

Apart from all that, indulging in things such as emotion is perfectly fine, and obviously fun, just as long as it doesn't impede ones ability to learn,
which right now,
it is!

Which is... kind of stupid.


Reference: WIKIPEDIA! RAWR!!

[tonyrey]

Anonymous poster A: I do not see why nihilism is seen as such a bad thing. Nihilism isn't a terribly profound stance. It's just the truth. There is no real meaning to anything. It doesn't mean you should be depressed or stop caring or stop trying in life, it doesn't mean that we don't assign meanings to things ourselves; but as far as there being a greater meaning to anything, an official meaning, no. That does not exist.

If there is no real meaning to anything there is no real meaning to your statement that there is no real meaning to anything. In other words, it is self-refuting and must be false...