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    Feb 26, 2009, 12:23 PM
    The new racial divide
    It's becoming clear that the racial divide is not only not healed by the election of the nation's first black president, the left plans on widening the gap. From Gloria Borger of CNN's remark that "right now, quite frankly, the Republican Party looks more like the Confederacy," to what appears to be a now removed post from yesterday with a similar reference, to Chris Matthews explanation of his "oh God" crack when Bobby Jindal was introduced on MSNBC on Tuesday, the new line is to divide the nation between Obama and his supporters and the GOP "confederacy."

    I was taken aback by that peculiar stagecraft, the walking from somewhere in the back of this narrow hall, this winding staircase looming there, the odd anti-bellum look of the scene. Was this some mimicking of a president walking along the state floor to the East Room?

    I guess Chris "thrill up his leg" Matthews didn't know the Louisiana governor's mansion was built in 1963 when Democrat Jimmie Davis - who fought for racial segregation - was governor, but that's another story. Matthews was probably too busy "outsourcing" his research to know that.

    Is that what we can expect more of from the left, talking up the new GOP "confederacy"? Is the left really interested in racial harmony?
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    Feb 26, 2009, 12:42 PM
    No one speaks for the "left". Who speaks for the "right"?
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    Feb 26, 2009, 12:44 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Is that what we can expect more of from the left, talking up the new GOP "confederacy"? Is the left really interested in racial harmony?
    Hello Steve:

    The GOP IS looking a little bit like the confederacy. Is it racist to mention that? Is it racist to BE that? Or should we just not notice?

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    Feb 26, 2009, 12:53 PM
    Here's the deal if you are a white and talk about race you are a racist ;and if you don't you are a coward . But in Matthew's case he was just being bold.

    Matthews did not know it was a live mike. It had to be... he wouldn't acknowlege God intentionally .

    Matthews claimed the GOP “outsourced” the Republican response which is another cheap racist reference . Surprised he didn't just call Jindal a Slum Dog or talk of Jindal working at a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts. Naaaah no Dem would sink that low .
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    Feb 26, 2009, 12:59 PM

    Borger was talking about Steele right ? Clearly she is right . It is well known that Jeff Davis was black.
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    Feb 26, 2009, 01:42 PM

    Hey Speech what party do you think the people in this story belong too? Growing hate groups blame Obama, economy - CNN.com
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    Feb 26, 2009, 01:59 PM

    Now lets see. What State is considered one of the most liberal in the nation... hmmm... the state with the highest number of documented hate groups is California with 84.
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    Feb 26, 2009, 02:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    No one speaks for the "left". Who speaks for the "right"?
    Of course no "one" speaks for the left, they all love the sound of their voice too much for that. But the pattern seems clear that they speak with one hypocritical voice on this subject. So do you have anything besides nitpicking to add on this subject?
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    Feb 26, 2009, 02:26 PM
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    Hey Speech what party do you think the people in this story belong too? Growing hate groups blame Obama, economy - CNN.com
    Hey Spit, how many hate groups does the GOP endorse? How many of the KKK's racial values are in the GOP platform? I believe there is only one former Klansman in congress, which party does he belong to?

    Your question is worse than than my first examples, but hardly new and in the same vein. I took columnist Leonard Pitts Jr. to task a couple of days ago for making the same link.

    And small wonder, in recent years, the discussion on race has come to be dominated by loud, intolerant voices using the reach they are afforded by the Internet and the intellectual cover they are provided by conservative extremism to promulgate a neo-racism more raw than anything the mainstream has seen in years. Small wonder the Southern Poverty Law Center reports the number of hate groups in this country has risen over 40 percent since 2000.conservative extremism to promulgate a neo-racism more raw than anything the mainstream has seen in years. Small wonder the Southern Poverty Law Center reports the number of hate groups in this country has risen over 40 percent since 2000.
    I'm sorry but that's bullsh*t. I don't know one conservative "extremist," I've never met a Klansman, I can't think of a soul in my large conservative circle of friends that's racist and I don't recall any recent GOP efforts to "promulgate a neo-racism more raw than anything the mainstream has seen in years" - or ANY racism for that matter. The only racist talk I ever hear is from liberals.
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    Feb 26, 2009, 02:48 PM

    Speech I don't think you or anyone on this site is a racist.

    But who do the hate groups endorse. Just because the GOP does not endorse a hate group doesn't mean the hate group does not endorse the GOP. Funny when Obama was running for president there were people (GOP VP nominee) who kept screaming Obama pals around with terrorists. So by your own parties mouth you are defined by the company you keep. And right now the GOP is starting to fill up with Hate groups. You don't see this as a problem for your party?
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    Feb 26, 2009, 02:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello Steve:

    The GOP IS looking a little bit like the confederacy. Is it racist to mention that? Is it racist to BE that? Or should we just not notice?
    If it were true then mention away. But is a) not true and b) these were not just observations by unbiased observers, so you're darn right it was racist.

    Is this what the Confederacy looked like?



    Alaska, Hawaii, Idaho, Minnesota, both Dakotas, Nebraska, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont? The Confederacy has really spread north and west, eh?
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    Feb 26, 2009, 03:06 PM

    I reread the link again just to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Still can't find the reference that links the groups cited in the article with the Republicans . Maybe I need better glasses ?
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    Feb 26, 2009, 03:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by spitvenom View Post
    Speech I don't think you or anyone on this site is a racist.

    But who do the hate groups endorse. Just because the GOP does not endorse a hate group doesn't mean the hate group does not endorse the GOP. Funny when Obama was running for president there were people (GOP VP nominee) who kept screaming Obama pals around with terrorists. So by your own parties mouth you are defined by the company you keep. And right now the GOP is starting to fill up with Hate groups. You don't see this as a problem for your party?
    Oh Spit, I don't take it personally from you, but the idea of this link perpetuates the same, unjustified negative stereotype of Republicans. Like tom said, the article doesn't say these are Republicans and I don't know any Republicans that claim them - or "keep company with them." What is the evidence that "the GOP is starting to fill up with Hate groups?" I haven't seen any.

    What party would you think skinheads, neo-Nazis or "the Hebrew Israelite movement, whose adherents believe that Jews are creatures of the devil and that whites deserve death or slavery" belong to?

    They certainly don't seem to fit in with the GOP who just had the first black Secretary of State, first black National Security Adviser, first black female Secretary of State, first Hispanic AG, Asian-American and other Hispanic cabinet members, and currently has a black party chairman and a guy of Indian heritage from Louisiana I think you've heard about.

    Is unjustifiably linking hate groups with the GOP the kind of honest discussion about race Holder was talking about?
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    Feb 26, 2009, 04:50 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Is this what the Confederacy looked like?
    Hello again, Steve:

    I don't know. When I look at the states the Republicans won, it doesn't look like your replication at all. In fact, the red states would be concentrated in the south - and the south alone - kind of like the confederacy was.

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    Feb 26, 2009, 04:59 PM
    The GOP confederacy comment was very offensive. The GOP has many prominent minorities like Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal and RNC chairman Michael Steele. The Republican party get a majority of Cuban-American votes and a decent share of the non-Cuban hispanic and Asian-American vote. This is just a dated stereotype of the GOP. It is the Democratic party who has former KKK member Robert Byrd and former South Carolina senator Ernest Hollings has made anti-semitic remarks.
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    Feb 26, 2009, 05:04 PM

    I don't know I look at Obama's electoral map on real clear politics and I see Republican wins in the heartland

    RealClearPolitics - Electoral Map

    I see Virginia the Capitol State of the Confederacy is blue and I see West Virginia ,a state formed by breaking away from the confederate state of Virginia in the Republican side.
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    Feb 27, 2009, 09:11 AM

    You make great points about the GOP. I assume most hate group members are a few beers short of a six pack. I think they are looking like hey the Dems let a black man run for POTUS So we can't be part of them. I really hope I am wrong about this I mean your party gave us Lincoln!
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    Feb 27, 2009, 09:59 AM

    So when Clyburn, Democrat of SC tells us the GOP governors are racist because they won't accept porkulus money without going through the bill with a fine tooth comb, does he ONLY represent black voters?

    Does he not think this bill effects people of all backgrounds?

    Or is he so caught up in playing the race card that he cannot be objective.








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    Feb 27, 2009, 10:45 AM
    I knew it wouldn't take long to find more examples of the new divide. Keith Olbermann and the lovable Janeane Garafalo were discussing Rush, claiming Eva Braun was the type of girl that falls for him, and had this exchange:

    JANEANE GAROFALO: She dated him, so either she suffers from Stockholm Syndrome – a lot like Michael Steele, who’s the black guy in the Republican party who suffers from Stockholm Syndrome, which means you try and curry favor with the oppressor.

    KEITH OLBERMANN: Yes, you talk about self-loathing.

    GAROFALO: Yeah, and there’s, any female or person of color in the Republican party is struggling with Stockholm Syndrome.

    Clearly these two believe any black Republican can only be a GOP slave sucking up to his or her oppressive master. This is racist, intolerant, hypocritical bullsh*t, why aren't they being called on it by anyone but conservatives?
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    Feb 27, 2009, 10:53 AM

    Because Garofalo is the world's leading and only expert in race and gender relations:p






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