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Hey here's a thought what if these shadowmen are a type of psychic vampire, or a form of astral projection from a psychic vampire. When some creatures feed of an organism they inject a type of poson that paralyzes there victims. What if the fear felt while the shadow creature aroudn that makes it difficult tomove is actually a type of poison that allows them to feed of energies. Just a thought |
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Kyle, I see you have been on the defense on this post regarding good v. evil. I am Catholic and I share your view and understand your posts very well. Only you and your intuition can answer the questions you have and I can see in your answers to your questions that you are sure of what you feel, regardless of how others want to see it. Good for you! I am exactly the same way and I have had similar and violent circumstances growing up... ever since I was 2. I also believe in energy balance and the change from positive to negative. I understand how others may read the post and draw out the conclusion that your consciousness is feeding access energy these negative feelings giving power and magnetic force to cause poltergeists and what may feel like evil spirits/attacks. No doubt I believe that fear feeds and I believe positive energy (light work) and personal inner strength can rid of such conditions. It is also known that in the process of feeding fear and negative energy to environmental energy (access) that this could actually attract demons and spirits alike. The more negative ions are in the air, the more spiritual activity you will receive, so in actuality what you are saying is valid and I agree with you. Growing up I knew what was evil and what was good and till this day I can tell you that this does exist. Everyone has different talents and unless you can get a hold of what you have Kyle…you will struggle with it your whole life. I have embraced it and have expanded my beliefs beyond Catholicism and found a new concept in addition to my origin faith. I still am Catholic but a refined one and I can't just be a normal person…I am not a normal person. Your experiences of the shadow people are similar to mine, I am attacked. Just the other night, OH MY GOD did I ever have the WORST dream in my LIFE, I have never had a dream so terrifying…it was about my daughter and I am not at liberty to discuss anymore other then she died. Initially when I woke up the shadow ran out of my room like a bat out of hell, I began to pray and say thanks that it was a dream…but I couldn't stop crying I was traumatized and angry so I followed it and stepped out in the garage. Sure enough there he was…sitting on the stairs…he looked at me. I said to him, “Unless you have a good explanation of why you did this you should be ashamed of yourself playing on my emotions. This practical joke of yours is not funny and if you have no cause, you are banned from here; I abolish you from this home and everyone in it! Leave now and leave in the same sadness and grief you have caused me.” His foggy figure of a man (sitting like a man and I saw the shapes of legs) just vanished like smoke! Vampire? Shadow Person? Messenger from the void? What was this? From my experience and in my opinion only, Vampires are a life force sucking negative energy to create balance. If an individual is imbalanced they will come and will grow thus causing what can get to the worst stages of poltergeists. This energy can attract demons since the individual is of a weak state and easily influenced. This is breeding grounds for more fear thus causing paranormal phenomena and physical symptoms. Initially their intent is not to harm you but to help you; to take away your fear and anxiety. Anyone of us that has the ability to cause such reaction is actually gifted and if you do not get a grip of it you can potentially end up mentally ill or healthcare professionals will say you're mentally ill…the unfortunate potential of the indigo children. Since we see with our third eye we are susceptible to mental illness if we do not control either extreme. Messengers come in all shapes and sizes as Dogstar had his/her experience in one of their posts. It may be scary but sometimes all they are doing is helping. We have so many helpers in other dimensions here on earth trapped in space and time. I believe that the universe has no space and has no time it is simply nothing and so that is where they are. Remember that everything must have balance and so we have heaven v. hell, good v. evil, positive v. negative…how do you see it? What do you believe? Everyone is entitled to see it as they will as everyone believes in something dissimilar or similar, cultured from diverse countries; the beauty of indifference. Such an immense topic for everyone as I am sure everyone here is extremely passionate with their view. With my search in Shadow People, I have noticed improvement of my connections by remaining neutral but the challenge for me is frequency control. Working on it and I am not attacked anymore. I am still not getting positive results, but better results. They are rather toying with me…maybe I amuse them? I think they are very interested in our emotions…this could be the reason why I sent the shadow man off with my energy emotions…I felt he was displeased when he left. I feel they are searching for control of some sort, held by nature and they do play with animals frequently (earth bound seekers). Maybe they are searching for the very life force that exists in us, only they are looking in the wrong places. I know that they rarely communicate but will make connections with some. I can identify with experiences similar to Kyle. They seem to be trying to deliver messages its just we are not listening and need to change the frequency. I tried to force the shadow man to answer me but he left with no explanation leaving me to believe that his intention was to see my reaction and feel (or try to understand) the connection between human relations (my daughter and I). This shadow man has revealed itself to my daughter as she pointed above my head on the ceiling and say's “No mummy No” for sometime that night. It was actually the same evening prior to the nightmare. From my observation of her and in my recent visions they appear black and hideous with no particular shape…only form is given; if form is desired. In my vision I seen the natural form it was smoggy and had tennicals this is how they absorb information…only face is given if face is desired. I think giving form is our way of coping with something we do not understand and so they adapt to us as it is not their intention to make us fear them. In actuality we are not suppose to see them and when discovered they could become eventful…maybe this is what I am getting? But then why are they trying to directly communicate with some of us? They truly are not products of the earth, spirit or energy worlds and may be less aware then we think. If they truly are extra terrestrial what is it that they could possibly want? They are so advanced but so oblivious. Since we are children of the light, could they be children of the dark?…Seeking us as we seek them but connected in some odd sense. |
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I have great respect for all different beliefs and religious views in regard to anything paranormal. I myself tend to take the simple view of things as I believe as humans we can tend to think something to death and give meaning to something that has not proven that it had any meaning. As people we want to make sense of everything so we reach into our personal views and try to wrap them around that which we don't understand. To me, if you look at all the forms of life on planet earth, then it is possible that just as many types of life exists in other dimensions or planes. Sometimes a shadow can be the other dimensional version of a monkey or even a big tick. Think about it. A huge shadow that attaches to you that is just a tick on another plane. Maybe half of the things seen by humans are given more credit then it's due and it has no motive or even intellect. It's just a tick. I realize this is a very dissappointing view point as most people are actually more comfortable with a very complex answer. Somehow it just seems more interesting. Still I think it would be very possible for another dimension to have a rich and varied animal, insect, and humanoid population just as we do. Every shadow being seen by different people could really be totally different species. Some could just be curious, some hungry, some territorial and upset by us and some just want to cuddle or mate. My view may not be the norm but it certainly could be a possibility. It may take a century of investigation to really learn what is true. |
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I guess we will never really know Morkie but that is the beauty of indifference. This is true, what would we find if we could see other dimensions? How many dimensions are there?
This is actually a very scientific approach just as it is spiritual... the problem is most people can only believe what they see and what is proven. Mostly science is composed of theory and probability. Spirituality deals more with creativity and intuition... easier to disprove and harder to believe. I do feel that science to some is a religion to a point and that is why we rely on it so much but it can't sustain all fundamental ideas and concepts. One thing I do know is that energy and matter is a scientific concept as it is spiritual. We can release it and absorb energy (Auras, Reki etc)... there was a test done on ice; one was given negative energy (emotions) and the other positive. It evidenced that the ice given positive energy had frozen up with beautiful shapes and iridescent colors whereas the negative ice did freeze up abnormally. Plants, if we give it love and talk to them they grow abundant and beautiful. So just as the spirit world I think we can manage to give off frequency vibrations in forms of energy and send them out through these dimensions attracting or repelling. If we can control and understand our plain we could potentially understand more of others as you mentioned. I really like the idea of energy and light work I have found positive results especially in Reki and rock therapy treatment. Everything to me is energy and if we could control it, well, maybe we would be extra terrestrial eventually... the laws of physics would be redefined. Aside from positive v. negative energy , I also believe in good v. evil and know that there is something more out there as the spirit world because they communicate to me, because nothing... not even the energy can explain the things we all went through growing up, sisters would agree. See the shadow people like some spirits show intelligence they think for themselves which leads me to believe that it could not be a larger animal type species from another dimension... this is not what I am getting. So I would have to disagree with you Morkie, I honestly don't think your concept is a simple approach... it is just as complicated as others :). But again we believe in what we will and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it... its just a new ideas to challenge everyone's beliefs and open our minds to new concepts. I really do find what you are saying very interesting and would like to hear more. Oh and no one is really crazy here... thats why I like this site :) besides its hard to make these type of connections outside in our normal lives because people will think we are crazy. |
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Sorry but I don't have your email. The reason I believe what I do is I have seen shadow beings quite a few times and close up and they were different types and some more ape like. Others have seen taller and more human types. Some have encountered evil types. This is why I came to the conclusion that just like our world has many types of people, and they can be good or bad. We also have animal life here. Why is it such a stretch to believe that other worlds also has such diversity. This is why each person has such a unique experience. There may be many dimensions with life of sorts. This is why I don't think it's possible to try to classify shadow beings as any one type. Mokrie |
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This one is quite hard to assess... I have been thinking about it and I don't think they are your "personal" guides... and I don't think they are shadow people. For some reason they where trying to connect to you and they have reasons for doing so. I don't believe it is negative because you indicated you where comfortable so, what do they want? What destiny? Or fate? You indicated that you where trying different meditation techniques and is there anything you have been contemplating about for sometime? A dilemma? Or is it hard to make decisions in some area of your personal life? Are you making any spiritual quests or discoveries? If I was you I would ground the meditation and go back. Since you get answers point blank... get the answers to the questions you are seeking.
__________________________________________________ _______________________ Thanks for your reply, yeah, I don't think they're my guides or shadow people now that I've read a bit more about them... but, but I'm not convinced they aren't negative... even though I didn't feel they were... it's strange and will take more time to figure out.. Usually when I have a dilemma I get info as I've pointed out... but this was a paradox. To me the dilemmas were significant in importance but have found that one greater dilemma above all is a spiritual one... To answer all of your questions, yes I've been on a spiritual quest, to my surprise, meaning that it wasn't conscious, rather as if my sub-conscious were leading me... I ended up in Asia with a career change, turning my back on my passion for the first time in my life really and have discovered that the new "career move" isn't what has been keeping me in Asia, rather it's been the opportunity for in depth spiritual study... for big changes in my person... let me stop because I could go on forever... |
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Dogstar, thanks. Hard to say whether what you saw is the same sort of creature we are trying to investigate. It's not a tradition in which I have delved deeply, but my understanding is Vipissana meditation is meditation without seed, without even a mantra or image to focus on, just inner silence and stillness. Correct? Or am I way off base? It sounds like when you come out of that, you are in a very receptive state. "To hear, one must be silent." You get that silent, you could hear all sorts of things. Receptivity is good, but you might want to check out some of my recent posts on the subject of ouija boards. There's such a thing as being too receptive. If you do it without strong enough boundaries, it's like posting your credit card number on your website. You don't know who or what could take advantage of the access you are creating. The Eastern traditions you are following have ways of dealing with that. There's some specific references in the Tao Te Ching I like that apply. Since you seem to have tapped in to a natural talent of psychic or spiritual sensitivity, you may want to work on honing that, learning to set an intention before you meditate of what specific information you intend to get when you come out. But be careful with this. To quote Ecclesiastes, "With knowledge comes sadness, and with wisdom, much vexation." Honor the gift, and seek to know only what you need to know. Specifically, if you set the intention of wanting this person who appeared to you to come back, so that you can talk with him in more detail, you will want to have some way of taking what he says with a grain of salt. Not every being who claims to want to help you is totally on the level. Most are, but they still want to help you because it suits their agendas.
__________________________________________________ __________________________ Thanks for your reply, yes I'm in agreement with all you say... let me first say that I started with vipassana because I get too much information, and wanted to learn how to control that as well as do some healing and find peace within myself. In vipassana you focus on your breath on your abdomen and observe and note various phenomena (pain, everyday thoughts, imagination) this makes it hard for you to get sidetracked, as your goal is to observe and continue with watching your breath... however, you can fall into a trance like state... and see things in a quiet space.. I can see events, have spontaneous lucid dreams and astral travel; fly to places I've never been or get answers without vipassana, its easy for me, sometimes all I have to do is shut my eyes. But it can be exhausting as well, and that's not good, hence the need for vipassana BACK TO MY EARLIER POST: I saw a Shadow person, all in black, a tall man, without a hat. (I also had an image of a female hand with painted black nail polish) The message I heard was: "We are here to help you" And "We are part of your destiny" ... but my feeling was that it wasn't negative. So this paradox is perplexing, good feeling but cloaked in black shadow and black nails. I don't feel what I saw or heard were guides or shadow people and even though I didn't feel they were negative, I question if they are... for the very reasons you state. I'm very open and have had issues with recognizing those with their own agenda, even though I'm a New York girl at heart (street wise). I'm aware I've attracted negative energies because of my open-ness, was very hard to get rid of. Been told often times, my spirit is pure I'm working on boundaries, good intentions, cleaning toxic elements etc. And yes sadness has been a byproduct, I want happiness now and into the light |
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Dogstar, thanks. Hard to say whether what you saw is the same sort of creature we are trying to investigate. It's not a tradition in which I have delved deeply, but my understanding is Vipissana meditation is meditation without seed, without even a mantra or image to focus on, just inner silence and stillness. Correct? Or am I way off base? It sounds like when you come out of that, you are in a very receptive state. "To hear, one must be silent." You get that silent, you could hear all sorts of things. Receptivity is good, but you might want to check out some of my recent posts on the subject of ouija boards. There's such a thing as being too receptive. If you do it without strong enough boundaries, it's like posting your credit card number on your website. You don't know who or what could take advantage of the access you are creating. The Eastern traditions you are following have ways of dealing with that. There's some specific references in the Tao Te Ching I like that apply. Since you seem to have tapped in to a natural talent of psychic or spiritual sensitivity, you may want to work on honing that, learning to set an intention before you meditate of what specific information you intend to get when you come out. But be careful with this. To quote Ecclesiastes, "With knowledge comes sadness, and with wisdom, much vexation." Honor the gift, and seek to know only what you need to know. Specifically, if you set the intention of wanting this person who appeared to you to come back, so that you can talk with him in more detail, you will want to have some way of taking what he says with a grain of salt. Not every being who claims to want to help you is totally on the level. Most are, but they still want to help you because it suits their agendas.
__________________________________________________ __________________________ Thanks for your reply, yes I'm in agreement with all you say... let me first say that I started with vipassana because I get too much information, and wanted to learn how to control that as well as do some healing and find peace within myself. In vipassana you focus on your breath on your abdomen and observe and note various phenomena (pain, everyday thoughts, imagination) this makes it hard for you to get sidetracked, as your goal is to observe and continue with watching your breath... however, you can fall into a trance like state... and see things in a quiet space.. I can see events, have spontaneous lucid dreams and astral travel; fly to places I've never been or get answers without vipassana, its easy for me, sometimes all I have to do is shut my eyes. But it can be exhausting as well, and that's not good, hence the need for vipassana BACK TO MY EARLIER POST: I saw a Shadow person, all in black, a tall man, without a hat. (I also had an image of a female hand with painted black nail polish) The message I heard was: "We are here to help you" And "We are part of your destiny" ... but my feeling was that it wasn't negative. So this paradox is perplexing, good feeling but cloaked in black shadow and black nails. I don't feel what I saw or heard were guides or shadow people and even though I didn't feel they were negative, I question if they are... for the very reasons you state. I'm very open and have had issues with recognizing those with their own agenda, even though I'm a New York girl at heart (street wise). I'm aware I've attracted negative energies because of my open-ness, was very hard to get rid of. Been told often times, my spirit is pure I'm working on boundaries, good intentions, cleaning toxic elements etc. And yes sadness has been a byproduct, I want happiness now and into the light... thanks for taking the depth and time.. |
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Hey I know I haven't posted anything in a while, just thought I would put my two sense in now that I'm a little calmer about the subject. I know a lot of poepl disagree with me basing my ideas of movies and books, but let just say for example the Movie Transformers.. A group if beings came here searching for soemthing and didn't care if they hurt us, then another group of beings came here searching for that very thing but had enough compasion to protect us. Mabe this relation ship is similar... Just a thought. Another thought is mabe just like in the movie The deaths of ian Stone, these creatures feed off are pain and what not, and a few get ourt of hand. Either way I still feel a negative energy given off these beings, whether or not there intentions are good or evil there still made of shadow and shadow has been looked upon as EVIL. The christian Bible speaks of what I think may be a similar being. In egypt Uriel the Angel of death spread across the land claiming the first born child of each family. And isn't it weird that the Grim Reaper is looked upon a similar version of these shadow men. Ironically The grim reaper is Uriel the arch angel of death. Well that's my two cents.
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I too think it is the cusp of time and veil thing as you said. I am not sure but I know that 2012 is connected to the time cusp and the beginning of the end. The Bible never says we can not know when we are in the end of times, it simply says we will not know when THE HOUR Jesus returns is. Check out mannafest it tells the end and what happens IS in astronomy. YouTube - Strange Cosmic Signs from 2012-2015 (part 1) |
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Hi Alder, i have recently been trying to investigate these "shadow people" it seems as though you are becoming quite the scholar when it comes to them. while i do not support you alien theory -because i have my own- i still think its interesting. i would appreciate it if you would share what you have come to learn, and i would like to talk about different topics as well, that still center around the "shadow people". Instead of talking on this forum, i would like you to contact me via email; [email protected] or if you have a myspace, my URL is /readdy2me
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