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speechlesstx · Nov 1, 2008, 06:33 AM

Say what you want, but this guy deserves to be heard. In fact he has... over 12 million times:

excon · Nov 1, 2008, 06:43 AM

Hello Steve:

Iraq was a mistake. Even if you get a kid to say it wasn't, doesn't make it so. He says the Iraqi people are better off today than before we invaded...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

NeedKarma · Nov 1, 2008, 06:56 AM

Hi Steve,

You have OCD. There is medication for that.

NK.

speechlesstx · Nov 1, 2008, 09:42 AM

What is that you guys like to say about shooting the messenger?

excon · Nov 1, 2008, 12:16 PM

Hello again, Steve:

Shooting the messenger?? Dude! I think the kid is just great - you too. But, your messages stink.

excon

speechlesstx · Nov 1, 2008, 03:54 PM

Over 12 million Youtube hits? Must be something to the message.

Wondergirl · Nov 1, 2008, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by excon

He says the Iraqi people are better off today than before we invaded....

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

What about all the dead ones?

J_9 · Nov 1, 2008, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

What about all the dead ones?

And what about the ones who are just waiting in line to go? What about the ones who are upset because they are on a medical delay?

They all signed up knowing that this was a possibility. Shouldn't we support them? I know I support my son who will be leaving on November 29. Whether I believe in his decision or not, he is my son and I support his decisions.

progunr · Nov 1, 2008, 04:29 PM

Anyone who doesn't believe that the Iraq people better off now, minus the dictator who loved to kill his own people, is not facing reality.

Not to say that we didn't mismanage the war after Saddam was captured, but to insinuate that they are not better off is just plain crazy.

BABRAM · Nov 1, 2008, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Over 12 million Youtube hits? Must be something to the message.

Faulty logic. Youtube.com became a debate ground where people go to listen to cases made for and against the war. Out of 12 million hits, approximately only 41K of those viewers thought it was worth rating. That comes out to a little over a small amount of 29 percent.

Iraq War Debated On YouTube, New Generation Takes To The 'Net Instead Of The Streets - CBS News

BABRAM · Nov 1, 2008, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by progunr

Anyone who doesn't believe that the Iraq people better off now, minus the dictator who loved to kill his own people, is not facing reality.

Not to say that we didn't mismanage the war after Saddam was captured, but to insinuate that they are not better off is just plain crazy.

You mean the Iraqi people that survived, and hopefully, future generations. The history of their country suggests otherwise though. However I do hope they're ready to accept responsibility in their government, and secure their own perimeters, after our phased re-deployment. They've certainly have been afforded the opportunity to prepare. The vast majority of our American population acknowledges that Saddam Hussein was a dictator that deservedly was executed for crimes against humanity, mainly his own people. Ironically the US war on Iraq has killed approximately two and half times as many Iraqis than Saddam did in his whole lifetime.

Wondergirl · Nov 1, 2008, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by BABRAM

You mean the Iraqi people that survived, and hopefully, future generations. The history of their country suggests otherwise though. However I do hope they're ready to accept responsibility in their government, and secure their own perimeters, after our phased re-deployment. They've certainly have been afforded the opportunity to prepare. The vast majority of our American population acknowledges that Saddam Hussein was a dictator that deservedly was executed for crimes against humanity, mainly his own people. Ironically the US war on Iraq has killed approximately two and half times as many Iraqis than Saddam did in his whole lifetime.

And we've done a great job of helping them rebuild their country and their infrastructure is more solid than ever?

J_9 · Nov 1, 2008, 05:35 PM

I don't mean to go off topic, but how many of us actually know someone who has been there once, twice, three times?

How many have sat down and actually talked to a soldier who has helped these people, children even?

It seems many of us rely on the media for our information, but I wonder who, if any of you have actually known soldiers who have come home with a feeling of pride that they helped.

BABRAM · Nov 1, 2008, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

And we've done a great job of helping them rebuild their country and their infrastructure is more solid than ever?

No, it's poor. IMO the Iraqi government will have to start spending of some their own money instead of relying on ours, and by various reports they have plenty.

BABRAM · Nov 1, 2008, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by J_9

I don't mean to go off topic, but how many of us actually know someone who has been there once, twice, three times?

How many have sat down and actually talked to a soldier who has helped these people, children even?

It seems many of us rely on the media for our information, but I wonder who, if any of you have actually known soldiers who have come home with a feeling of pride that they helped.

My brother went to the Gulf war under George Herbert Walker Bush once, and three times he has served in Iraq under Dubya. He currently is an active recruiter in Katy, Texas and has about three left years until retirement. He could sale cinnamon sticks in hell, if he had to. My family has supported him personally since day one. Neither my father, mother, myself or siblings are happy with Dubya. But we will always be proud of my brother regardless of circumstance.

excon · Nov 1, 2008, 06:21 PM

Hello J_9:

This has nothing to do with the soldiers. They're good men and women who volunteered to protect their country. Nobody is questioning whether they did THEIR jobs.

It's the policy that I have a problem with - not the soldiers who carry it out.

Yes, the Iraqi's had a cruel dictator running the show. But, if you didn't run afoul of Saddam or his family, you could earn a living and take care of your family in a safe environment. There were no terrorists. There were no suicide bombers. There was no invading army.

They were, INDEED, better off before we invaded their country. And no, I didn't have to go there to come to that conclusion. And, because I haven't been there doesn't diminish the truth of my post.

excon

tomder55 · Nov 2, 2008, 04:01 AM

J9 My cousin will be going back after the new year for his 3rd tour in this conflict after returning stateside for a year for his mandatory "dwell time" . He also served in Operation Desert Storm. He currently is a Lt Col. On General Odierno's staff .
I have spoken with him and shared email with him while he has been deployed .
Here is a bit of one of those emails (I will delete information about area of actual deploment).It was written last year right before he returned on leave:

All, once again thank you for your wonderful support for our Troops in
the III Corps (Multi-National Corps Iraq) ******. We share with the
masses. I am very bad about writing regular "snail" mail, so wanted
everyone to have a thank you note from all of us at the *****.
11 months with 4 more to go, great progress over the last 7 months.
Long road ahead, but more and more people are shunning the evil of
terrorists and wanting a better life for their children.
Keep up your prayers, it is working. The power of prayer is felt by all
here. Yes, this is a worthwhile effort in Iraq. It is reinforced each
time you look an Iraqi child in the face. The Children have hope, so
should we. Despair and defeat are not an option. We should be
encouraging leaders espousing optimism and victory.

Several have asked me how they can help on the homefront. I highly
recommend joining with a veterns group supporting wounded warriors,
their families and the families that have suffered loss. They need to
know you support them and what their sons, daughters, mothers and
fathers are fighting for or have paid the ultimate sacrifice for with
their lives.

speechlesstx · Nov 2, 2008, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by BABRAM

Faulty logic. Youtube.com became a debate ground where people go to listen to cases made for and against the war. Out of 12 million hits, approximately only 41K of those viewers thought it was worth rating. That comes out to a little over a small amount of 29 percent.[/url]

Figure this math out for us, Bobby. What's the percentage of ratings versus views on all Youtube videos? Do you really think most people ever rate ANY Youtube video?

speechlesstx · Nov 2, 2008, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

What about all the dead ones?

Should they have died in vain also?

excon · Nov 2, 2008, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

What about all the dead ones?

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Should they have died in vain also?

Hello Steve:

She is talking about the dead Iraqi's - maybe up to 600,000 of 'em. I'm SURE, that every single one of them died in vain.

And, you know what?? OUR dead soldiers died in vain too. The logic that we should continue a failed war because some of our soldiers DIED in it, is one of the most stupid things I've ever heard from a very stupid dufus in chief.

excon