[Credendovidis]

No heaven , no hell , no "God", nothing. Well ... : nobody has ever been able to prove that any of these really exist !

Just checked once more : and NO : still no such objective supported evidence has been provided... It all is still based on BELIEF and nothing else...

:D ;) :p :rolleyes: :D

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[tsila1777]

Just checked once more : and NO : still no such objective supported evidence has been provided .... It all is still based on BELIEF and nothing else ....

:D ;) :p :rolleyes: :D

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That's right. It's based on belief.

So is your statement, based on your belief... no prove of any kind that God is not real, or that Heaven is not real, no proof, just BELIEF.:p

[Credendovidis]

That's right. It's based on belief. So is your statement, based on your belief...no prove of any kind that God is not real, or that Heaven is not real, no proof, just BELIEF.

Actually that is incorrect : in none of my posts I make statements on the existence or non-existence of any supra-natural entity. All I ask for is objective supporting evidence to the existence of any such existence. And THAT can never be twisted by anyone into some sort of belief by me. Even if you would really do your best...

:D :D :D :D :D

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[tsila1777]

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Originally Posted by tsila1777
As for the wait and you'll see...that still stands...you can't be past it, because it has not happened yet.

I agree with you - and even underline - that it has not happened yet. I even think that it never will happen. That is what you get when you believe in mythical entities and deities for which no objective supporting evidence has ever been provided : you believe in such an entity for year, hand-over the vicar or priest a lot of money, but when you die, you - just like I - will fall asleep without ever to awake again.
No heaven , no hell , no "God", nothing. Well ... : nobody has ever been able to prove that any of these really exist !



Dear Cred,

That is your belief. You have no proof of your wild claims.
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[savedsinner7]

Just checked once more : and NO : still no such objective supported evidence has been provided .... It all is still based on BELIEF and nothing else ....

:D ;) :p :rolleyes: :D

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Jesus is real and history says so.
History of Jesus Christ

Jesus and history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cred, what is it exactly that you are looking for? You seem to be on the fence.

[Credendovidis]

Jesus is real and history says so.

Some historical records claim that there once was a human being that was called Jesus. But not even that is 100% sure. However there is not any objective supported evidence that this Jesus was God's son.
And THAT is the essence of Jesus and your religion...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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[tsila1777]

[quote=Credendovidis]Some historical records claim that there once was a human being that was called Jesus. But not even that is 100% sure.

That's just your belief. :rolleyes:

However there is not any that this Jesus was God's son.

You have nothing to support these wild claims. It's only your faith in objective supported evidence, that you say that. It has nothing to do with the truth. OSE is your god. You have faith in OSE. You believe in OSE. Where is objective supported evidence that OSE is indeed correct or just something made up by a bunch of people who WANT to prove something is one way and not the other?


And THAT is the essence of Jesus and your religion ....

Relationship with God, Yes, it is.

:):)

[Credendovidis]

That's just your belief.

Not so. There are indeed some historical records that claim that there once was a human being that was called Jesus. But if that is 100% sure?
I just provided the background, the possibilities. I did not claim anything myself... That is something theists do with their empty unsupported religious claims.

You have nothing to support these wild claims.

How can the sentence "However there is not any objective supported evidence that this Jesus was God's son" be a wild claim?
If there is any objective supported evidence that Jesus was God's son : WHERE IS THAT EVIDENCE ???

Relationship with God, Yes, it is.

And wrong again!! The essence of the Christian religion is that Jesus - as God's son - through his death on the cross provided a way to save you from your sins. The unsupported claim that Jesus was God's son is the important part here. Hence the title "Christ", and the resulting religion "Christianity"...

What a silly response you posted, tsila1666 ! It seems that your focus is more on trying to attack me than in the Christian mission to "spread the word"...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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[tsila1777]

What a silly response you posted, tsila1666 ! It seems that your focus is more on trying to attack me than in the Christian mission to "spread the word" ....

Was that a mistake or an attack... tsila1666? Be careful, Cred!

You have done nothing but attack Believers that is your purpose in life.

I am trying to get you to see that you have faith, great faith in something. You believe in something.

Originally Posted by tsila1777
Relationship with God, Yes, it is.

And wrong again!! PROVE IT!!! You cannot prove that I do not have a relationship with God. And to continue to argue about this is pointless. If all you can add to the conversation is that is your belief, that is what you believe, still no proof, you can’t prove that….you can’t unprove it either, so why do you continue?

The essence of the Christian religion is that Jesus - as God's son - through his death on the cross provided a way to save you from your sins. The unsupported claim that Jesus was God's son is the important part here. Hence the title "Christ", and the resulting religion "Christianity"... This is what you believe; can't you understand that?

Seriously!


We have faith in God; you have faith that there is no God. We believe Jesus is God's Own Son, you believe Jesus is not God's Own Son. We believe that Jesus died for our sins and was raised for our justification. You believe He did not.

One of us is wrong.

You ask for proof. God asks for faith. We have faith.

Someday, you will get your proof... but it will not be on this board.

Someday, you will bow your knee and confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God, but it will be too late.

How can the sentence "However there is not any objective supported evidence that this Jesus was God's son" be a wild claim?
If there is any objective supported evidence that Jesus was God's son : WHERE IS THAT EVIDENCE ???

Because objective supported evidence is your god. And nothing more and of no importance!! It is your sacred cow and very worthless.

I was not attacking you; I was giving you an example of what you do. If you consider that as an attack on you, then what have you been doing?

[Credendovidis]

You have done nothing but attack Believers that is your purpose in life.

What a nonsense ! Essentially all I do is underline that whatever you BELIEVE is therefore not reality!! And that that drives you up the wall is your problem...

:D

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[inthebox]

What a nonsense ! Essentially all I do is underline that whatever you BELIEVE is therefore not reality !!! And that that drives you up the wall is your problem ....

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Cred;

What a person BELIEVES can be REALITY.

Here is an example:

Paper money - it is just "legal tender," it has no intrinsic value. Why should this paper with 100 purchase more than this paper that says 1? It has worth because buyer and seller BELIEVE it has worth, and that is REALITY. Oh , you say, but a government is backing the value of that paper; but, there I also have to BELIEVE that that government will be uphold the value of that paper.

You would go insane trying to prove every little thing we take for granted is indeed reality:

will this road lead me to where I want to go?

does she really love me?

is the expiration date on this milk true?

is the gas gauge really accurate, or will I run out of gas on half a tank?

What a life :eek: when you don't believe in anything :confused:



You know, God did not personally appear to me, and physically touch me and say, "yoo hoo, Box guy, I'm here in reality, now you can believe in me!"

His word is enough. :D

[tsila1777]

After reading all that I wrote to you, that is the best you can come up with Cred? How predictable! Just goes to prove my point that you do not have anything of interest to say. You really do not have anything of importance to add to the conversation, do you?

Do you really think it 'drives me up the wall'? You are badly mistaken. I feel sorry for you. The topic is what makes a you a mature Christian. If you do not have an answer, why are you here?

Is that what you are trying to do, drive us up the wall? Do you not have anything better to do with your time? Poor Cred, you need to find another hobby. Do you like backpacking, camping, hiking, golf? You need to get out more and enjoy your life, because when its over, if you do not repent, you know where you are going to be.

And deny it all you want, that will not make it untrue. You need to repent and give your life to Christ before its too late. I do not know how old you are, but I picture you as quite old, if that is so, then you do not have much time left.

Jesus took your sins, even persecuting the Church, which is what you are doing here, and we were told to expect it. We were told that we should rejoice that we are worthy to be persecuted for Christ's sake.

So, I say Praise the Lord, I'm worthy.

But for you Cred, seriously, you need to think about it.

[Credendovidis]

What a person BELIEVES can be REALITY.

Sure. But that is no guarantee that it is a reality. In almost all cases it will NOT be reality.

His ("God") word is enough.

For you it may, as you BELIEVE it is "god's" word. For me it does not, as I do not see any objective supporting evidence for either that being "god's" word, or for "god's" existence in the first place.

:rolleyes:

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