[ScottRC]

So..??? does that mean we should worship mary?

Never.

[RickJ]

So..??? does that mean we should worship mary?

No.
I have no clue why that would be asked. No one has suggested Mary should be worshiped.

Readers of Scripture, though, should at least wonder: Hmmm. How is it that Mary prompted Jesus to do something that he had previously said he would do nothing about?

And is it significant that this circumstance is Christ's first recorded miracle?

Yes.

[sassyT]

No.
I have no clue why that would be asked. No one has suggested Mary should be worshiped.

Readers of Scripture, though, should at least wonder: Hmmm. How is it that Mary prompted Jesus to do something that he had previously said he would do nothing about?

And is it significant that this circumstance is Christ's first recorded miracle?

Yes.

So what does that have to do with praying through Mary? I guess that's where I am missing the connection. :confused:

[ScottRC]

so what does that have to do with praying through Mary? i guess thats where i am missing the connection. :confused:

I still don't understand what you are getting at... I can only ask that you read the Opening Post again and frame your objections in that context.

[N0help4u]

She is saying what do you mean by your comment of Jesus doing his first miracle to explain us praying through Mary. How does that support praying through Mary?

[ScottRC]

She is saying what do you mean by your comment of Jesus doing his first miracle to explain us praying through Mary. How does that support praying through Mary?

Ah... I get it... it's just simply an example of Mary working through her son.

I don't think her role has changed and her statement, "Do whatever he tells you" is being spoken to me every day.

Your results may vary.;)

[N0help4u]

I do not understand what Mary saying ''Do whatever he says" has to do with now we are to pray through her.

[ScottRC]

I do not understand what Mary saying ''Do whatever he says" has to do with now we are to pray through her.

It does not directly tie the two together, like I said before, it is simply an example.

I don't pray through Mary, does not matter much to me if you do either. :)

... but I feel the same about those who do call upon the Mother of God. As long as their focus is on Jesus Christ, I couldn't care less if they look to Mary, Elvis, or their dead grandmother to pray for them.

[N0help4u]

Well if you don't pray through/to Mary aren't you going against Catholic teaching?

[ScottRC]

Well if you don't pray through/to Mary aren't you going against Catholic teaching?

Not at all... it's not a "requirement", simply just a form of devotion to Christ through his mother.

[sassyT]

It does not directly tie the two together, like I said before, it is simply an example.

I don't pray through Mary, does not matter much to me if you do either. :)

... but I feel the same about those who do call upon the Mother of God. As long as their focus is on Jesus Christ, I could care less if they look to Mary, Elvis, or their dead grandmother to pray for them.

But don't you think it is insulting to Jesus Christ to pray through other dead people. Isn't that kind of like saying Jesus is not good enough for me to pray through Him?
Does this verse mean anything to you?

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

[ScottRC]

But don't you think it is insulting to Jesus Christ to pray through other dead people. Isn't that kind of like saying Jesus is not good enough for me to pray through Him?

I don't think it is insulting at all... I'm quite happy when others say prayers for me.

Does this verse mean anything to you?

Yes, it does.

Thanks for asking.

[N0help4u]

There is a difference between saying prayers for and saying them to.
How do you get having prayers said FOR you out of it?

[ScottRC]

there is a difference between saying prayers for and saying them to.
How do you get having prayers said FOR you out of it?

I can ask YOU to say a prayer for me, right?

I think this also applies to Christians in heaven.

[N0help4u]

For one thing when asking you to say a prayer for me or visa versa it is not said in a prayer
I do not pray ScottRC please pray for us sinners.
I SAY hey Scott can you say a prayer for me.

[Fr_Chuck]

And Saints are not directly prayed to either, you are asking for them to pray for you to Jesus.

There is no difference than you asking the "saints" alive in your church to pray for you, you pick up the phone and ask, so here you have to ask them without the phone,

The saints are honored for their deeds you ask for their petitions to Christ the difference is that people who do not understand the faith, normally believe they are prayed to ( in the meaning that the prayer is to ask them to do something about the problem except to merely pray for you.

Now the term pray as a meaning to ask or request, you would be considered to "pray" that they PRAY for you.

[ScottRC]

I do not pray ScottRC please pray for us sinners.
I SAY hey Scott can you say a prayer for me.

So you agree that the practice is sound in principle, now we're just trying to sort out what way to do it...

What's the difference?

[N0help4u]

No I did not say the practice is sound in principle you are starting to sound just like De Marie.
Where are we to pray to anybody that has passed on?
You negate all the verses about Jesus being our sole intercessor.

[ScottRC]

Where are we to pray to anybody that has passed on?

Why not?

There are not dead, but alive in Christ Jesus.

You negate all the verses about Jesus being our sole intercessor.

Nope... when I say a prayer for you that does not negate anything.

[N0help4u]

I didn't mean that saying a prayer for somebody negates anything
I meant that having to go through Mary to do so instead of Jesus does.