[Credendovidis]

I see sassyT just tries to re-write what she posted herself...

You are just contradicting and reppeating yourself you are just starting to sound like an old broken record.

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And your posts are becoming dumber and dumber ....
Note that I do not "reppeat" myself. I do not even repeat myself.
You ran out of sane comments already a long time ago.
Now you seem to have run out of any argumentation also, sassyT !!!

sassyT's comments :

what argument??..lol all i am waiting for is evidence for your BELIEFS. I am getting tired of waiting. You havent given any O.S.E for your beliefs.

Your own lacking "arguments" for almost all your posts on this board, sassyT.

And note that I told you already umpteen times that I do not have religious beliefs. And also that one can not BELIEVE in science. One can accept or reject the scientific objective supporting evidence. Believe you can only in subjects that have no objective support at all, like religious based subjects.

But as before - so nothing new - you refuse to accept that, and babble further about belief in scientific subjects...
How sad that someone who claims to have a degree in Biology (a scientific subject) does not understand the basics on how science operates, and still expects ever to obtain a higher degree...

:D

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[sassyT]

I see sassyT just tries to re-write what she posted herself ....


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sassyT's comments :

Your own lacking "arguments" for almost all your posts on this board, sassyT.

And note that I told you already umpteen times that I do not have religious beliefs. And also that one can not BELIEVE in science. One can accept or reject the scientific objective supporting evidence. Believe you can only in subjects that have no objective support at all, like religious based subjects.

But as before - so nothing new - you refuse to accept that, and babble further about belief in scientific subjects ....
How sad that someone who claims to have a degree in Biology (a scientific subject) does not understand the basics on how science operates, and still expects ever to obtain a higher degree .....



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Again a Big Bang that created the Universe is not Science, niether is a mythical one creature that crawls out of a soup and morphs into every living thing we see today. :)

[N0help4u]

Sassy you can not believe IN science you can believe science though and Cred does not even comprehend that
So why not make it easier and use his terminology rather than going round and round and round and round on a simple yet complex word that you two can not even come to terms on?

He also has told you many times he does not XbelieveX accept the big bang either. As long as you insist that IS what he believes you are not going to get anywhere either so...
Your wasting your typing fingers.

[sassyT]

He also has told you many times he does not XbelieveX accept the big bang either. .

He insists he does not believe or accept the Big Bang, but if anyone says anything contrary to the BB theory he starts to freak out and get all defensive about it. So I have a hard time believing he does not believe in the Big Bang.
However, if he does in fact not believe in the Big Bang he needs to tell us how he figures the universe came into existence.
He is just quick to lable other people's opinions and ideas as "beliefs", but he forgets his opinion on origins is also a belief.. because no one has yet been able to prove origin of the universe.
So we are all in the same boat. We all have different Beliefs about how the Universe came into being. Credo just needs to come to terms with this reality and I am willing to do what ever it takes to help him accept this Fact.

[Credendovidis]

Again a Big Bang that created the Universe is not Science, niether is a mythical one creature that crawls out of a soup and morphs into every living thing we see today.

The "Big Bang" is a scientific thesis on the origin of the universe, and is supported by cross-supporting evidence from various fields. What we do not know is WHY it happened. But there is a good insight as to WHAT happened and WHEN.
And once more : there never was an explosion. That is just suggested by the popular name. The Big Bang was a short but extremely fast expansion of space-time about 14 Billion years ago.

He insists he does not believe or accept the Big Bang, but if anyone says anything contrary to the BB theory he starts to freak out and get all defensive about it.

I accept the scientific findings that lead to the conclusion that there was a BB (see above for the description). And NO I do not freak out to anyone who likes to propose a scientific based alternative to the BB : feel free to do so. But do not try to propose a religious based belief claim as argument. I do object to hot air arguments.
You have been asked many times before to provide proper arguments, but so far you failed to provide any.

However, if he does infact not believe in the Big Bang he needs to tell us how he figures the universe came into existance.

The thesis is open and free to see on thousands of websites and books. I have provided you with that information many times before. That you prefer your wild religious claims is not my problem.

He is just quick to lable other people's opinions and ideas as "beliefs", but he forgets his opinion on origins is also a belief ... because no one has yet been able to prove origin of the universe.

Correct : nobody can prove that. There is no proof what-so-ever for the religious claim of creation. There is however a lot of objective supporting evidence for the basics of the BB thesis.

We all have different Beliefs about how the Universe came into being. Credo just needs to come to terms with this reality and i am willing to do what ever it takes to help him accept this Fact.

Not correct : not a fact ! You have your belief. I have science at my side. Not the same thing.

And once more : you may BELIEVE whatever you like. But that you BELIEVE that does not make it a reality nor factual!!

:rolleyes:

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[Peter Wilson]

I have just looked up your supposed contradictions, they are not there, perhaps you should read the bible before you go quoting this nonsense.

[Credendovidis]

I have just looked up your supposed contradictions, they are not there, perhaps you should read the bible before you go quoting this nonsense.

Please be more precise : which and who's supposed contradictions?

:rolleyes:

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[N0help4u]

I accept the scientific findings that lead to the conclusion that there was a BB (see above for the description). There is however a lot of objective supporting evidence for the basics of the BB thesis.
Not correct : not a fact ! You have your belief. I have science at my side. Not the same thing.

And once more : you may BELIEVE whatever you like. But that you BELIEVE that does not make it a reality nor factual !!!

:rolleyes:

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Now HOW many times have you claimed that you do not go by the big bang theory?
:rolleyes:

[Peter Wilson]

Credo,I'm sorry, I meant to put your name on the post, next time I will be more specific, Cheers.:)

[Credendovidis]

Now HOW many times have you claimed that you do not go by the big bang theory??

Too many, because she won't accept that answer...

:)

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[Credendovidis]

I have just looked up your supposed contradictions, they are not there, perhaps you should read the bible before you go quoting this nonsense.

Please be more precise : which supposed contradictions?

:rolleyes:

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[sassyT]

[QUOTE]

The "Big Bang" is a scientific thesis on the origin of the universe, and is supported by cross-supporting evidence from various fields. What we do not know is WHY it happened. But there is a good insight as to WHAT[/B] happened and WHEN.I accept the scientific findings that lead to the conclusion that there was a BB (see above for the description).

I don't care how much so called "evidence" you claim there is, the bottom line is, it has NOT been proven factual. That so called evidence has been scientifically refuted many times. So it is just a theory based on conjectures.. and refutable "evidence". So you believe that is what happened because you have FAITH in unproven theories.

[N0help4u]

Originally Posted by Credendovidis
I accept the scientific findings that lead to the conclusion that there was a BB (see above for the description). There is however a lot of objective supporting evidence for the basics of the BB thesis.
Not correct : not a fact ! You have your belief. I have science at my side. Not the same thing.

And once more : you may BELIEVE whatever you like. But that you BELIEVE that does not make it a reality nor factual!!


My point was that you seem to contradict yourself by now stating that you accept the BB theory. Maybe you mean as one of different theories but looks like a contradiction here.
:rolleyes: :confused:

[sassyT]

Originally Posted by Credendovidis
I accept (aka Believe) the scientific findings that lead to the conclusion that there was a BB (see above for the description). There is however a lot of objective supporting evidence for the basics of the BB thesis.
Not correct : not a fact ! You have your belief. I have science at my side. Not the same thing. ????
And once more : you may BELIEVE whatever you like. But that you BELIEVE that does not make it a reality nor factual!!

It is the same thing... lol
Religious claims on origins have not been proven
Big bang claims on origins have not been proven

So we are all in the same boat. Niether side can prove their claims as factual. So those who subscribe to either one, believe. I know it is hard for you to come to terms with this reality (why, I don't know) however I am going to remind you of this fact until you accept it. (even if it is never I will remind you anyway ;) )

My point was that you seem to contradict yourself by now stating that you accept the BB theory. Maybe you mean as one of different theories but looks like a contradiction here.

I know he just confuses me :confused:

[Credendovidis]

Real quote of origin post by Credendovidis

I accept the scientific findings that lead to the conclusion that there was a BB (see above for the description).

I accept (aka Believe) the scientific findings that lead to the conclusion that there was a BB (see above for the description)
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It is the same thing ... Religious claims on origins have not been proven. Big bang claims on origins have not been proven.

With the "aka Believe" remark you deliberately inserted in your "QUOTE" of my post , you show that you can not be trusted... You may claim whatever you like, but if you change and/or add-on to quotations, you confirm my opinion stated already several times on this board that you are a very unreliable discussion party. Someone who better be shunned... Not for her message, but for her unacceptable and unworthy behavior... Earlier it was lying about your degree, and now you are changing quotations... What next ?

Besides that : religious claims CAN NOT and NEVER WILL be proved !
The BB scientific thesis carries already for a major part objective supporting evidence, even including cross-evidence from various different fields.

So "we" are NOT on equal par ! Only those who subscribe to wild unsupported subjective claims believe!!
And the only one who can not come to terms with this reality is you!!

:rolleyes:

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[sassyT]

Real quote of origin post by Credendovidis



With the "aka Believe" remark you deliberately inserted in your "QUOTE" of my post , you show that you can not be trusted .... You may claim whatever you like, but if you change and/or add-on to quotations, you confirm my opinion stated already several times on this board that you are a very unreliable discussion party. Someone who better be shunned .... Not for her message, but for her unacceptable and unworthy behavior .... Earlier it was lying about your degree, and now you are changing quotations ..... What next ?

Besides that : religious claims CAN NOT and NEVER WILL be proved !
The BB scientific thesis carries already for a major part objective supporting evidence, even including cross-evidence from various different fields.

So "we" are NOT on equal par ! Only those who subscribe to wild unsupported subjective claims believe !!!
And the only one who can not come to terms with this reality is you !!!

:rolleyes:

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Credo like I said in the other thred, my work with you is done. You have already admitted to having BELIEFS so case is closed. I am not going to argue with you anymore ;)

[Credendovidis]

Credo like i said in the other thred, my work with you is done. You have already admitted to having BELIEFS so case is closed. I am not going to argue with you anymore

I have NEVER denied that I have beliefs. But religious beliefs are not one of these...

All you do is suggesting you "won" some kind of "match". Only problem with that is that there never was such a match!!

:D :D :D :D :D

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[N0help4u]

I have NEVER denied that I have beliefs. But religious beliefs are not one of these ....

All you do is suggesting you "won" some kind of "match". Only problem with that is that there never was such a match !!!

LOL I had to explain to you HOW many times that there is a difference in believing something as accepting and Believe IN and you still insisted you have no beliefs but you do accept
So where do you get that you have NEVER denied that I have beliefs. But religious beliefs are not one of these... distinction?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religi...ml#post1148394 post #16 on...

[sassyT]

I have NEVER denied that I have beliefs. But religious beliefs are not one of these ....

All you do is suggesting you "won" some kind of "match". Only problem with that is that there never was such a match !!!



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Like I said before Credo, My work here is done... My only goal in going after you on these threads was to have you confess in writing that you do indeed have BELIEFS. And you have done that, so apparently you are just like everyone else, YOU HAVE BELIEFS.

SO now I hope you can stop harassing people and making condescending remarks about people having "beliefs" because as you confessed yourself, you have beliefs too. So there is nothing special about you. We are all in the same boat buddy. ;) We all have beliefs, and there is nothing about your beliefs that make them better than mine or anyone else's.
I am glad you have come out of the closet because it was starting to get ridiculous. :rolleyes:

[Credendovidis]

...so where do you get that you have NEVER denied ....

Thanks for this link : I repost it once more.

Religious Discussions » "Evolution" or "Origin of the Universe" and religion post 1148394 #16

There is NOTHING in #16 about any other belief than religious.
I have never stated that I have no beliefs : For instance I believe that Obama will be a much more interesting US President than Bush ever was. And I believe that Barcelona is a better soccer team than Real Madrid. I have no proof for either statement, still I believe that.

But I do not believe in religious wild claims. And there is nothing else supporting religion than wild unsupported claims. That is not what I believe, but that is a conclusion from the lack of any objective support for religious claims, and the sidestepping by active theists when called for objective support , EVEN when their bluff is called ! Like Tj3 and sassyT!!

:D :D :D :D :D

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