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Originally Posted by savedsinner7
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Originally Posted by Tj3
3 We are human, but we don’t wage war as humans do. 4 [a]We use God’s mighty weapons, not worldly weapons, to knock down the strongholds of human reasoning and to destroy false arguments. 5 We destroy every proud obstacle that keeps people from knowing God. We capture their rebellious thoughts and teach them to obey Christ. Zechariah 9:15 The Lord of Heaven’s Armies will protect his people,and they will defeat their enemies by hurling great stones.They will shout in battle as though drunk with wine.They will be filled with blood like a bowl,drenched with blood like the corners of the altar. Revelation 12:11 And they have defeated him by the blood of the Lamband by their testimony.And they did not love their lives so muchthat they were afraid to die. 1 John 5:4 For every child of God defeats this evil world, and we achieve this victory through our faith. 2 Corinthians 6:6-8 (New Living Translation) 6 We prove ourselves by our purity, our understanding, our patience, our kindness, by the Holy Spirit within us,[a] and by our sincere love. 7 We faithfully preach the truth. God’s power is working in us. We use the weapons of righteousness in the right hand for attack and the left hand for defense. 8 We serve God whether people honor us or despise us, whether they slander us or praise us. We are honest, but they call us impostors. Deuteronomy 33:27 The eternal God is your refuge,and his everlasting arms are under you.He drives out the enemy before you;he cries out, ‘Destroy them!’ 1 Samuel 24:4 “Now’s your opportunity!” David’s men whispered to him. “Today the Lord is telling you, ‘I will certainly put your enemy into your power, to do with as you wish.’” So David crept forward and cut off a piece of the hem of Saul’s robe. Luke 10:19 Look, I have given you authority over all the power of the enemy |
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savedsinner7,
None of these say that we "defeat hell" and defeat Satan. Some speak about how God has defeated Satan and has given us authority, but once again that is His victory, not ours. None of the verses even mention hell. Those were my points. And I think that these are important points because I believe that it is important that we give God all the glory for defeating Satan. Second, I think that it is important that we acknowledge that hell is not something evil, but rather that those who are evil and align themselves are evil are placed in their because of their rebellion against God, and because they have turned on God's people. It is therefore not hell that needs to be defeated, but rather hell is the symbol of the defeat of Satan by God. 1 Cor 15:56-58 56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. NKJV |
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Tj3 and sndbay,
I think you both know that that was a typo. I meant 2000 years. Thanks for pointing out my error. Peace and kindness, Fred |
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Originally Posted by arcura
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Originally Posted by Tj3
Yes, Jesus has the victory, but WE are joint heirs with Him and the victory is ours through Him. Why are you hung up on one thing that I said instead of getting the idea of what I said? Do you not wage warfare? |
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Tj3,
What I was saying is that The Church Jesus founder with Peter as it's first leader is 2000 years old so the bible and authentic history tells us. Peace and kindness, Fred |
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savedsinner7,
When Jesus said that the GATES of hell will not stand against it one must keep in mind that a gate is a battlement to keep people out. The Church helps save souls who were destined to hell before the salvation offered by God and the sacrifice and resurrection of the Lamb of God. Peace and kindness, Fred |
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Originally Posted by arcura
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savedsinner7,
Excellent!! I hope for and wish you great success in that endeavor. Peace and kindness, Fred (arcura) |
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Originally Posted by savedsinner7
Why are you hung up on one thing that I said instead of getting the idea of what I said?
Do you not wage warfare?
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Originally Posted by arcura
Jesus did not start a denomination, but rather is the head of the body of Christ, which is the one and only true church whose members can be found in many local congregations and denominations throughout the world. |
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I was brought up as a catholic, and wanted to become a priest when I was in primary school. I was very dedicated to the catholic traditions, but felt that there should be more.
I went through my teenage years doing drugs and getting into all types of sinful behavior, like most catholics that I know. How-ever, when I was 21, even though I was living a sinful lifestyle, I still used to pray. I was standing in my parents back yard in Adelaide and asked God to let His light shine through me to other people so that I could help them. I walked into the house, and as I did, something washed over me and I started to speak in tongues. I had never heard about tongues, and didn't find out about it until 15 years later, when I became a Born again Christian, but that's another story. After this I had 3 dreams, one , I was in a Catholic church and my back got really hot. I turned around and it was raining blood and fire on the church. I was taken out of there in the spirit and taken back to before the world was formed. The Holy Spirit was there, or at least, that's who I believe it was. He stood there wearing like a white monks habit and had his head bent forward slightly, so I couldn't see His face. He had his hands together, inside his sleeves. I could see the earth, but it was black and void. I looked around and saw a light coming down from space, it reflected onto something and shone onto a big screen that stood beside the one dressed in white. It was my life, all written down and moving up the screen slowly. I heard a voice, very loud, that sounded like thousands of voices, or one loud voice and I knew it was the voice of God. I was very afraid and woke up shaking and sweating. The other dreams, in a shortened version, is I went to hell and stood at the very gates of hell, I could see the flames flickering on the walls and the heat again on my back. There was a power pulling me into hell, I started saying, " Jesus is my Saviour, I love Jesus!" and the power stopped pulling me. I started to walk away, but the power started to pull me again. I quickly started to say jesus name again and continued to say His name until I got out of the cave. The third dream was I was on a boat, exactly like you would imagine Noahs ark, it was nighttime and there was a war going on. The enemy gunship was firing onshore, so I told the others on the boat to jump off and swim to shore as I was going to ram the enemy with the ark. They jumped and I turned the ark towards the gunship. They didn't see me until it was too late, we crashed and sank immediately. I was sucked under and was swimming to the surface thinking, "I'll make it, I always do" Suddenly I stopped swimming and realised that I was dead, and thought, "Well, I might as well wake up now." I didn't understand the meaning of these dreams then, but I do now. After this happened, I would be out the backyard, praying in tongues, but I didn't know it was tongues, I thought that I made up a new language myself, I never even thought of relating it to God. The Holy Spirit started talking to me and told me to get baptized by full immersion, believing what I was always taught, I said " where do I go, the protestant church the Lutheran church, I thought that this (the Catholic church) was supposed to be the one true church?" The Holy Spirit then told me to go and see this guy that I used to be one of the suppliers of the Buddha sticks that I used to get. I didn't know that he got busted and went to jail and became a born again Christian in jail. I thought about it, and told the Holy Spirit, "If I don't settle down in the world by the time I am 35, then I will find you then, even if i have to become a priest or a monk or even a nun!" The trouble was, I loved my sinful lifestyle too much. How-ever, when I was 35, my world fell apart, my fiancée took off with another man and I tried to kill him twice, the first time, an angel stopped me, or at least I believe it was, I was in a deserted street, in a country town at 5 in the afternoon, I dragged this guy out of the car and started to punch him in the face, I was going to punch him to death, when this man, about 6'10" tall and very well built, stepped between us and said" that's enough, go home", I said"get out of the way this is between him and me". He repeated it again, " Enough, go home" so I did. The next time I went to his house and a voice told me to not take a club with me, then as i was about to kick the door in the voice said no, so I knocked on the door and my fiancee was there. I finally broke up with her very calmly, then and walked out . As I was walking away, I thought "Hang on, that's not what I came here to do." and stopped to turn around. Suddenly, an audible voice spoke from above my right ear and said " NOW, GO AND GET BAPTIZED". Needless to say, I did, and though expecting nothing to happen, as soon as I came out of that water, I was changed, I immediately felt clean, and as I walked around that meeting, I looked at the faces of the people, whom I had never met, and had this intense feeling that I had come home. That was 18 years ago, and have seen many miracles in my life since then. You know that when Jesus asked His disciples who do men say that I am, and Peter said that He was the Christ, the Son of the Living God, He called Peter a stone, not a rock, (Petros, not Petra), and it was upon Peter's statement of faith that Jesus is the Son of God that the Church would be built, not on Peter. Jesus is the Rock that the builders rejected, He is the Rock upon which we stand. Peter was a pillar of the Jerusalem Church, along with James and John, Paul was sent to the Gentiles. When Paul wrote to to the Church in Rome, he never mentioned Peter's name, because he was in Jerusalem. He may have been taken to Rome to be killed, but there is no record of it anywhere, it is just tradition. Peter was married and took his wife with him when he travelled. In 1 Corinthians 1, Paul tells the believers in Corinth not to be divided, not to follow Paul or Apollos or Peter, but to follow Christ. That remains the same today, we follow the risen Christ, the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, the only name under which we can be saved (Acts 4:12), and the only advocate with the Father is Jesus, (1John 2:1) I don't think any of this is important, debating over scripture, but it's fun. The main thing is to get real with God, be willing to say, " Father, if I am not in the right place, and you don't tell me, because I am asking You now; then, when I stand before you on the day of judgement, then I will say, it is your fault, because I asked you, but you didn't tell me. Have fun, be blessed, take it straight to Jesus, don't make gods out of all the other, so called saints, it won't look good on your resume when you stand before the judgement seat of Christ and He says, "I never knew you." Get to know Jesus personally, He's a great guy, always willing to listen, and funny too, He makes good things happen when you least expect it. |
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Tj3,
Why can you not get it through your head that denominations did not com along until the reformation. You Ignore what the bible clearly says and authentic history. Why? Peace and kindness, Fred |
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Peter Wilson,
That is an interesting story. Thanks for sharing it. Peace and kindness, Fred |
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Originally Posted by arcura
If you think that you can refute the historic facts, then, deal with the issue and post your rebuttal rather than attacking the person. That would be a more effective approach. |
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The other concern is that we not mis-understand, as some religions teach, that hell is the domain ruled by Satan, which is how your comment that we are to defeat hell came across. That is why I asked for clarification.
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Originally Posted by savedsinner7
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Originally Posted by Tj3
I know where I end up without Him. I was a gutter junkie addicted to whatever I could get. He is my Strength and my Song, He is my Victory... Exodus 15:2 The Lord is my strength and my song;he has given me victory.This is my God, and I will praise him—my father’s God, and I will exalt him! Exodus 15:1-3 (in Context) Exodus 15 (Whole Chapter) Psalm 118:14 The Lord is my strength and my song;he has given me victory. Psalm 118:13-15 (in Context) Psalm 118 (Whole Chapter) Isaiah 12:2 See, God has come to save me.I will trust in him and not be afraid.The Lord God is my strength and my song;he has given me victory.” |
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