[Wondergirl]

We'll just have to be careful what we snack on, I guess. There's going to be a lotta snacking going on until the election.

[reesetess]

George_1950:

I'm not sure I am following you. Are you saying that Obama is like Hitler? Please clarify? The republican party is being represented by a man who wants to continue the war, who wants to continue Bush's administration, who let's face it, is too old to be our president, I pray he picks a decent republican for a running mate, for fear he will not make the 4 years. My Dad is 86 and a kicker, but age has to be a factor here. Don't you think? /Yes I am back for more punishment.
I think Obama thinks a lot about who his running mate will be, let's face it, he is black, he stands for all the things the Kennedy's did, and look what happened to them.

He is target waiting to happen, yet he still stands up for our country, and our country should come first. Our hunger, our oil crisis, our economy, I mean all this guy needs is someone who is like him, but has stronger knowledge and background with Foreign Policy .

I wonder, what the world would be like today had Gore won. I am not a devout democrat,
And I do believe Bush Jr. has had to deal with more crisis than a president has in a long time, But he handled it badly, He is not his father.

I believe I can look at both sides here, but what a mess Bush is leaving for the next President and cabinet to take on... It's a war zone, not only Iraq , Afghanistan, Israel, Korea, what about us "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". We spend billions of dollars researching Mars, when we have hunger, unemployed, no insurance...

I just can't understand the Republican point of view on this, I use to be Independent, well I am now a democrat.

[progunr]

George_1950:

I'm not sure I am following you. Are you saying that Obama is like Hitler? Please clarify? The republican party is being represented by a man who wants to continue the war, who wants to continue Bush's administration, who let's face it, is too old to be our president, I pray he picks a decent republican for a running mate, for fear he will not make the 4 years. My Dad is 86 and a kicker, but age has to be a factor here. Don't you think? /Yes I am back for more punishment.
I think Obama thinks alot about who his running mate will be, let's face it, he is black, he stands for all the things the Kennedy's did, and look what happened to them.

He is target waiting to happen, yet he still stands up for our country, and our country should come first. Our hunger, our oil crisis, our economy, I mean all this guy needs is someone who is like him, but has stronger knowledge and background with Foreign Policy .

I wonder, what the world would be like today had Gore won. I am not a devout democrat,
And I do believe Bush Jr. has had to deal with more crisis than a president has in a long time, But he handled it badly, He is not his father.

I believe I can look at both sides here, but what a mess Bush is leaving for the next President and cabinet to take on... It's a war zone, not only Iraq , Afghanistan, Israel, Korea, what about us "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". We spend billions of dollars researching Mars, when we have hunger, unemployed, no insurance...

I just can't understand the Republican point of view on this, I use to be Independent, well I am now a democrat.

I know this was for George, but I see things I have questions about.

Obama on the oil crisis? And what are his solutions? I've heard him say he is against drilling, he is against nuclear power, and is against the further development of coal use.
So having stated his stand, what does he offer as a solution? Are we going to be driving around with a big windmill on our vehicles?

Obama on the economy? I just heard part of a speech by Obama where he was asked if he would implement his huge tax increases and increases in government entitlements and volunteer programs immediately upon being elected to the office of President?

His answer was NO, it would have negative impacts on our already distressed economy. In his own words, we have to wait until the economy gets better, before his plans can be implemented , which will still have a negative effect, it just won't be so dramatic as long as the economy is in better shape then, than it is now.

WE need to obtain our own oil. AS long as WE keep sending 700 billion dollars a year to the Middle East, our economy will continue to suffer.

The excuse I keep hearing from the left is that it will take 5, 10, or more years for us to benefit from the decision to drill for our own oil. Ok, so if we don't drill now, where will we be in 5, 10 or more years?

The other excuse is that the oil companies already have millions of acres of land that are approved for drilling, and they are not using them. What they don't tell you is that these millions of acres, don't have vast supplies of oil, and would not be profitable to begin drilling on.

The oil companies are a business. If we give them access to the places were vast amounts of oil can be obtained, they are ready to go to work and get it, and some have lowered the estimates down to as little as 3 years before we could be using our oil instead of the Middle Eastern, terrorist supported oil we are a willing hostage to now.

You sound like a very nice person, I'm sorry to see you so impressed by this guy who stands for nothing, offers no real solutions, but I have to agree, he is a very likable guy, truly impressive in his oratory, and able to say whatever the audience at the time is wanting to hear.

[Wondergirl]

what does he offer as a solution? Are we going to be driving around with a big windmill on our vehicles?

It might even be better than that. People already are coming up with ingenious solutions in order to avoid using gas-guzzling vehicles. It's time this country thinks outside the box--and begins to conserve its resources.

The other excuse is that the oil companies already have millions of acres of land that are approved for drilling, and they are not using them. What they don't tell you is that these millions of acres, don't have vast supplies of oil, and would not be profitable to begin drilling on.

I've heard just the opposite, that there is oil there, but the company heads like it that oil is expensive. More profits that way.

Obama is not only thoughtful and canny, but also listens to all the possibilities.

[tomder55]

Spitvenom I thanks you for your endorsement and I hope none of what I wrote can be construed as a personal attack on anyone of the users.

As for the subject of the posting I reserve the right to parody and to poke fun of him . Those who know me understand that I am not really enamoured with John McCain but am forced to support the candidate that will best serve the country.

Obamanation is Obama~ nation . Those of us who have used similar ridicule are poking at the cult like following he had until recently when the veneer began to peel . Obambi and Bambi illustrates his lack of experience . I think he will be a deer in the headlights once he is elected. I have called him BO because of the delight others have had playing on the middle initial of President Bush (Dubaya).

So as it should come as no surprise I have also a slew of names I have called Bill and Hillary Clinton and also major MSM publications.

There have been columns in recent days about how it is hard to find the humor in the man. Part of the reason I think is that he has shown a remarkablely thin skin... even when a liberal magazine has a cartoon on it's cover parodying the so called conservative view of him.

I do this for fun and to exchange ideas and to help when I can be useful . Escape ;hobby whatever . I try very hard not to make it personal or to take it personally.

As for the issue of teaching children a foreign language ;when I weigh it against the other deficiencies of the public school system I do not place it high on the list of priorities... not when children come out of 12 years of school often illiterate and a poor understanding of their own language ; untrained in the very basic survival math skills and completely ill prepared to function as adults . Very often colleges are forced to reteach them on the basic skills they should've come out of high school sufficiently .
I expressed why I thought Obama made his statement and why I thought he was being disengenuous on posting 13 and 171.

[BABRAM]

Bobby and reesetess I was not the one who moved the discussion off topic .

Well, what a surprise! I'm sure somebody on thread twelve hacked into your user name and moved the discussion to polls. And it certainly wouldn't be like you to shmooze on fabricated elitism or join in on the Republican seminars on messiah theology every other post? Nah. Not you! :rolleyes:

[progunr]

It might even be better than that. People already are coming up with ingenious solutions in order to avoid using gas-guzzling vehicles. It's time this country thinks outside the box--and begins to conserve its resources.


I've heard just the opposite, that there is oil there, but the company heads like it that oil is expensive. More profits that way.

Obama is not only thoughtful and canny, but also listens to all the possibilities.

We are conserving our resources, OUR oil is still in the ground while we send 700 billion dollars a year to the Middle East, I take it you are OK with that.

The oil companies make about 4 cents a gallon from the gas we pump into our "guzzlers".

Who did you "hear" that from?

The only people happy about the price of oil are the folks on the left, who are in bed with the whacko environmentalists, who hate capitalism, and see the price as a way to control the "killing of the planet".

How do you think every single thing you use or buy gets to your city or town?

It has to get there by the use of OIL. You may not like it but it is a fact.

It's great to say we need alternate forms of energy, and it's great to work on developing them.

The problem is, we need the OIL now... today... right this minute... and the longer we delay in using our own, the worse things are going to get.

Who cares if we are depleting the ozone layer if we can't afford to buy the food we need to stay alive to begin with?

[tomder55]

I did not move the discussion to polls . Sorry I understand it is getting late ;but I clearly used the polling number to illustrate the effect that his continuing disparaging the "average " American is having on his popularity . As I have now frequently mentioned ;I think his continuous ridicule of the "typical" American is the inherent premise of his remarks about language.

[reesetess]

Progunr:
I could be sarcastic and say just by your name you are a republican... I think it is sad, that you want to stay with the same ridiculous policies that have done nothing but ruin ours. My kids, my grandkids civilization , and not want to try something different, that just might work, heck it's only 4 years, Look What your Bush Jr. has done to this nation in his given , and trust me given 8... You're Republican aren't you... I don't think anyone can sway your minds.. My Dad is one, and I was grateful they are a dying breed.

Tell me , what is so great about McCain?

[BABRAM]

I did not move the discussion to polls . I clearly used the polling number to illustrate the effect that his continuing disparaging the "average " American is having on his popularity . As I have now frequently mentioned ;I think his continuous ridicule of the "typical" American is the inherent premise of his remarks about language.

So the mentioning of the polls were mere references reflective of how unpopular it would be to learn Spanish, and that a second language translates into elitism? Sweet dreams "Tom." Get some sleep.

[reesetess]

Spitvenom I thanks you for your endorsement and I hope none of what I wrote can be construed as a personal attack on anyone of the users.

As for the subject of the posting I reserve the right to parody and to poke fun of him . Those who know me understand that I am not really enamoured with John McCain but am forced to support the candidate that will best serve the country.

Obamanation is Obama~ nation . Those of us who have used simular ridicule are poking at the cult like following he had until recently when the veneer began to peel . Obambi and Bambi illustrates his lack of experience . I think he will be a deer in the headlights once he is elected. I have called him BO because of the delight others have had playing on the middle initial of President Bush (Dubaya).

So as it should come as no suprise I have also a slew of names I have called Bill and Hillary Clinton and also major MSM publications.

There have been columns in recent days about how it is hard to find the humor in the man. Part of the reason I think is that he has shown a remarkablely thin skin ...even when a liberal magazine has a cartoon on it's cover parodying the so called conservative view of him.

I do this for fun and to exchange ideas and to help when I can be useful . Escape ;hobby whatever . I try very hard not to make it personal or to take it personally.

As for the issue of teaching children a foreign language ;when I weigh it against the other deficiencies of the public school system I do not place it high on the list of priorities........not when children come out of 12 years of school often illiterate and a poor understanding of their own language ; untrained in the very basic survival math skills and completely ill prepared to function as adults . Very often colleges are forced to reteach them on the basic skills they should've come out of high school sufficiently .
I expressed why I thought Obama made his statement and why I thought he was being disengenuous on posting 13 and 171.

Tom:
Has anyone ever asked you to be quiet. You are way to trying to goat us all, don't be taken in by him... He talks about his children, Well my daughet graduated high honors, goes to a fabulous college , works for an investment company, and yes is 21 and loves and rallys and does everything for a little change in this world. It can't really get much worse can it.. My daughetr knows three languages, because she chose to.. you are blaming the sytstem on either poor parenting, or you brought your kids up where they didn't have a choice, well being a single mother, I made sure my children had choices... My Kids sat in classes with 30 or more per student, but somehow, they did okay, Don'
T blame the system Tom... Oh yeah and by the way what children come out of the system illiterate and poor untrained? Come on... You are using it as a scapegoat.

[reesetess]

Did you think the Comic cover of the New Yorker by Billy B, was funny the other day too?

[progunr]

Progunr:
I could be sarcastic and say just by your name you are a republican... I think it is sad, that you want to stay with the same ridiculous policies that have done nothing but ruin ours. my kids, my grandkids civilization , and not want to try something different, that just might work, heck it's only 4 years, Look What your Bush Jr. has done to this nation in his given , and trust me given 8... You're Republican aren't you.... I don't think anyone can sway your minds.. My Dad is one, and I was grateful they are a dying breed.

Tell me , what is so great about McCain?

There is nothing great about McCain, you will not see me bloviating here about what a wonderful candidate he is, or what a wonderful President he will make.

Actually, I'm an independent who leans towards the conservative side... well sometimes I actually LEAP to the conservative side, depending on the issue at hand.


The issues that McCain stands way above Obama on though, are as follows:

Keeping taxes as low as possible.

Starting NOW to obtain our own oil and shut off the flow of our money to the Middle East.

The appointment of conservative Supreme Court Justices who will not legislate from the bench.

A strong Military background, able to keep our Nation Safe and our Military strong.

The conservative position on Government Entitlements and personal responsibility.

The experience of making hard decisions, under extreme conditions, and having served our Nation Honorably and with great dedication.

Actually having real life experience in many areas, including managing people, meeting deadlines, discipline and the chain of command, as well as military strategy.

Not having so many Strong attachments to so many extremely radical associates.

Can you present a similar list of qualities or real accomplishments you admire about your candidate?

[George_1950]

George_1950:

I'm not sure I am following you. Are you saying that Obama is like Hitler? Please clarify? ...
he stands for all the things the Kennedy's did....

He is target waiting to happen, yet he still stands up for our country, and our country should come first. Our hunger, our oil crisis, our economy, I mean all this guy needs is someone who is like him, but has stronger knowledge and background with Foreign Policy .

I wonder, what the world would be like today had Gore won....

I believe I can look at both sides here, but what a mess Bush is leaving for the next President....

I just can't understand the Republican point of view on this, I use to be Independent, well I am now a democrat.

The answer to your question about Obama and Hitler is one that I will let you answer. The question is, do you want more government or less government? Did Hitler want more government or less?
I don't concede that Obama is in the mold of the Kennedy's, other than Ted, who is an aberration.
I'ld rather not think about living in Gore's world; I mean, he created the internet, right?
Bush is not leaving a mess; case in point: Bush proposed a comprehensive energy policy in the first year or two of his first term. My recollection is it was filibustered, so who is to blame?
In the final analysis: you desire more government or less?

[George_1950]

Progunr:
I could be sarcastic and say just by your name you are a republican... I think it is sad, that you want to stay with the same ridiculous policies that have done nothing but ruin ours. my kids, my grandkids civilization , and not want to try something different, that just might work, heck it's only 4 years, Look What your Bush Jr. has done to this nation in his given , and trust me given 8... You're Republican aren't you.... I don't think anyone can sway your minds.. My Dad is one, and I was grateful they are a dying breed.

Tell me , what is so great about McCain?

Please, madam, take a deep breath and splash some cool water on your face.

[Wondergirl]

We are conserving our resources, OUR oil is still in the ground while we send 700 billion dollars a year to the Middle East, I take it you are OK with that.

Then we need to change that, don't we.

The oil companies make about 4 cents a gallon from the gas we pump into our "guzzlers".

I misspoke. The investors, the stockholders like high prices that way. Who are the stockholders?

How do you think every single thing you use or buy gets to your city or town?

The wonder and beauty of it all is that families are beginning to buy local products and grow their own food (and put it up like we used to do) and are walking places instead of driving all those short distances and are taking in all the getaway spots near their own locations. Nuthin wrong with that--gas conservation so the delivery people have enough. After all, do we really need wooden red strawberries in March and thick-rinded lemons in October? Do we have to take expensive vacations so our kids have "great" memories? Why do you think the citizens of this country are overweight? Not from walking anywhere.

Who cares if we are depleting the ozone layer if we can't afford to buy the food we need to stay alive to begin with?

Oh, there will be plenty of oil for the food delivery trucks if the SUV (and other gas-guzzler vehicles) owners stop using them for one-person trips to the mall and, if every time we need something from the store, we hop into the car and drive the seven blocks there. I've read how many billions of gallons of gas have not been used simply because people stopped going somewhere any time they felt like going somewhere. We are a gas-guzzling nation. I hope the price hits $5/gal. before it's over. We need to be made aware of our stupidity.

[BABRAM]

And this has to do with original topic? I want to play!

Keeping taxes as low as possible.

False. McCain will keep the taxation down on the wealthy, which is his family and buddies.

Starting NOW to obtain our own oil and shut off the flow of our money to the Middle East.

Ok. Stop spending money in Iraq.

The appointment of conservative Supreme Court Justices who will not legislate from the bench.

Conservative is necessarily good?

A strong Military background, able to keep our Nation Safe and our Military strong.

Pure BS. We were attacked on the Republican watch. Let's just hope Homeland Security continues doing their job.

The conservative position on Government Entitlements and personal responsibility.

Otherwise known as keep corporation executives happy.

The experience of making hard decisions, under extreme conditions, and having served our Nation Honorably and with great dedication.

What extreme conditions? I know exactly where John McCain takes his vacations with Cindy's money.

Actually having real life experience in many areas, including managing people, meeting deadlines, discipline and the chain of command, as well as military strategy.

What do you mean, "as well as military strategy" experience? Outside of politics he has no civilian management work history.

Not having so many Strong attachments to so many extremely radical associates.

Are you kidding me? http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm

Can you present a similar list of qualities or real accomplishments you admire about your candidate?

I wouldn't want to and that's a good thing. I'd rather provide positive attributes in my support of Obama.

[progunr]

OK, I give up, you obviously have a warped sense of reality.

It's not your fault though, someone else must be responsible.

Why don't you move to some third world country, where you can grow your own food, with the money the US sends to make sure you won't starve.

You can probably buy a donkey, and use that for transportation.

When it gets old enough, it could be a good food source for you.

Make sure it's a country that doesn't get too cold, since you won't be using any fuel for heat.

Don't worry about the 120 degree temps, you'll get used to not having any air conditioning, after a while.

You might want to start getting used to not having anything cold to drink either since you won't be using any fuel to provide any electricity either.

Me, I prefer to live in the present day, and not to revert back to living like it is still the stone age.

Oh, and by the way...

Where is your list of qualifications and experience for your candidate?

[progunr]

I wouldn't want to and that's a good thing. I'd rather provide positive attributes in my support of Obama.

I asked for a "positive attributes" list for Obama, didn't I?

But you "wouldn't want to"?

Understandable.

There are none.

[purplewings]

Go back and read what you've just written about your daughter regarding her education and employment and then a little further down where you 'blame the system'. Aren't you a little confused here? It seems your daughter was given a great start by the very government you are bashing. It is not all about the war. We have to consider our day to day living too. A little change is good - that's why we have elections every four years. The change you're stumping for give us no real information whether they will be good or destroy us. Obama is a master at being untruthful. He started that way and continues that way - and yet you truly believe he will be good for this country? Or are you just following the Liberal ideas because it's a stance away from Bush right now?
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Barack Obama’s global poverty bill has thankfully been stalled in the senate by two conservative Republicans. But it won’t go away, we need to stay on top of this and make sure it goes away forever. This bill was being fast tracked through the senate because of how dangerous it really is.

Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media, a conservative media watchdog, said S. 2433 has been getting “a pass” from Congress. It received absolutely no scrutiny in the House last fall, when it was passed on a voice vote, and no scrutiny last week in the Senate, when the Foreign Relations Committee also passed it on a voice vote.

This would commit hundreds of billions of additional money from the United States and that money would have to come from somewhere. Any guesses who would lose out here? Working Americans.
(and we'd be obligated by the UN who has already shown their own dishonesty by diverting the "Oil for Food" money for their own personal use.)

And you suggest McCain will overtax us?

Also, I can tell you which kids come out of the school system illiterate. Inner city kids from all over the country. I live in a suburb near Detroit where the schools have failed to the extreme that our state & federal government have become alarmed.

Tom:
Has anyone ever asked you to be quiet. You are way to trying to goat us all, don't be taken in by him... He talks about his children, Well my daughet graduated high honors, goes to a fabulous college , works for an investment company, and yes is 21 and loves and rallys and does everything for a lil change in this world. It can't really get much worse can it.. My daughetr knows three languages, because she chose to.. you are blaming the sytstem on either poor parenting, or you brought your kids up where they didn't have a choice, well being a single mother, I made sure my children had choices... My Kids sat in classes with 30 or more per student, but somehow, they did okay, Don'
t blame the system Tom... Oh yeah and by the way what children come out of the system illiterate and poor untrained? Come on... You are using it as a scapegoat.