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    #141

    Jul 15, 2008, 08:40 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    abstract ideas and theories qualifies him to be a professor ,not a leader.
    Wow! He certainly has come a long way then, hasn't he! What a quick learner and what a dynamic speaker who will lead our country into hitherto uncharted waters of accomplishment and productivity! Thanks, Tom! You've convinced me!
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    #142

    Jul 15, 2008, 08:43 AM
    tomder55 agrees: as far as I can tell Bambi's "experience was handing out fliers and generating business for slumlord Rezko.
    (I'm glad you qualified that with "as far as I can tell.")

    You're slipping in the literature search department, Tom.
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    #143

    Jul 15, 2008, 09:58 AM
    Wow! He certainly has come a long way then, hasn't he! What a quick learner and what a dynamic speaker who will lead our country into hitherto uncharted waters of accomplishment and productivity!
    Ok I'm waiting breathlessly to hear what he has tangibly achieved that would convince me of his leadership ability.

    He's quick to point out the faults of others... nah that isn't it. A critic is not an artist... and a community activist is not a national leader .
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    #144

    Jul 15, 2008, 10:02 AM
    Hmmm. I've set up a few community programs and online sites all by myself, plus I have more life experience than Obama. Darn! Maybe I should have entered the big race! "Too Late Smart. Too soon old".
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    #145

    Jul 15, 2008, 10:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by purplewings
    Hmmm. I've set up a few community programs and online sites all by myself, plus I have more life experience than Obama. Darn! Maybe I should have entered the big race! "Too Late Smart. Too soon old".
    Are you a senator? Post your resume and we'll discuss.
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    #146

    Jul 15, 2008, 10:13 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by purplewings
    Hmmm. I've set up a few community programs and online sites all by myself, plus I have more life experience than Obama. Darn! Maybe I should have entered the big race! "Too Late Smart. Too soon old".
    Could I be your running mate? Community roast beef dinners every Thursday! Autumn bazaars! Craft fairs! Woo woo!!
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    #147

    Jul 15, 2008, 10:16 AM
    How can she be older than McCain and STILL be able to operate a computer? McCain can't.
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    #148

    Jul 15, 2008, 10:30 AM
    Ummm he doesn't have to... as President all he'll need do is hire people to do work on computers .Maybe BO will apply.
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    #149

    Jul 15, 2008, 10:33 AM
    I never said anything about being OLDER than McCain? Or for that matter anything about McCain at all? I know Reagan was older than McCain while in office and he did a darned fine job. I hope growing older doesn't mean you have to become feeble and useless.
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    #150

    Jul 15, 2008, 10:37 AM
    Then join in the next presidential race! This your chance!

    Edit to add: partner up with Tom, you guys would be unbeatable.
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    #151

    Jul 15, 2008, 02:38 PM
    Quest for the Presidency -- McCain Profile

    Education: U.S. Naval Academy, B.S., 1958; graduate work, National War College, 1973-1974


    Decision '08: Candidate Profile Twelve: John McCain


    Resume: United States Navy pilot, 1958-1981; prisoner of war in Vietnam 1967-1973; recipient of the Silver Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart, and Distinguished Flying Cross; United States Congressman for Arizona, 1983-1986; United States Senator for Arizona, 1987 - present


    Basically there are only three things listed on McCain's resume: Education, Military, and Politician. Senator McCain graduated in less than the bottom 2% of his class at Annapolis :eek:. Senator Obama graduated near the top of his class at Harvard Law. I can tell you guys that McCain does not have a large body of work for civilian qualifications. He can apply for more military duty, the police academy, a security guard, and perhaps secret service agencies. Assuming his pilot skills hasn't deteriorated, perhaps control tower or crop duster. And with my concern for his health and age, I could get him into a casino surveillance job, sitting down, and looking up at monitors, but not much else. I do understand why McCain's military experience has suddenly become the new Republican standard for presidency. There's simply not very much going for his campaign bid. And the situation is amusing! Back in the 2000 primaries the Pubs chose weekend warrior "Dubya" over their war hero. Politically neither McCain nor Obama has ever been more than a Senator. McCain himself has said that Obama is "absolutely" qualified.


    PS. McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft

    http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjoh...ord%5B1%5D.pdf

    1 - Student pilot McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings.

    2 - Pilot McCain III lost another plane two years later while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. ”Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral.

    3 - Pilot McCain III lost number three in 1965 when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. McCain III radioed, ”I've got a flameout” and ejected at one thousand feet. The plane crashed to the ground and McCain III floated to a deserted beach.

    4 - Combat pilot McCain III lost his fourth on July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk combat pilot. While waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain Jr's. plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

    5 - Combat pilot McCain III lost a fifth plane three months later (Oct. 26, 1967) during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam when he failed to avoid a surface-to-air missile. McCain III ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi. After being pulled from the lake by the North Vietnamese, McCain III was bayoneted in his left foot and shoulder and struck by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.
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    #152

    Jul 15, 2008, 05:10 PM


    This is a big advantage for him. As we already have clear proof of - America wants a president that doesn't intellectually intimidate them. The dumber the better.
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    #153

    Jul 15, 2008, 07:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Then join in the next presidential race! This your chance!

    edit to add: partner up with Tom, you guys would be unbeatable.

    Yes, I'd be honored to be his veep. I've known Tom online for maybe more than 10 years and he's the most thoroughly politically informed person I've ever known. Plus he's very fair, and wise enough to know when we're putting our own country in danger.
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    #154

    Jul 16, 2008, 03:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by purplewings
    Yes, I'd be honored to be his veep. I've known Tom online for maybe more than 10 years and he's the most throughly politically informed person I've ever known. Plus he's very fair, and wise enough to know when we're putting our own country in danger.
    Then go for it. What's stopping you? I understand it's a bit of a process but meanwhile post your resume here and we'll see if you do indeed have the experience to be the country's leader.
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    #155

    Jul 16, 2008, 04:08 AM
    McCain was an Executive Officer and commander of aviation squadron, VA-174, at Cecil Field in Florida. A review of Navy records and interviews with his former colleagues paint a picture of a commander who was lionized by his troops as a war hero and respected as a fair and effective manager. It was a squadron that trained pilots . He had 50 planes and over 100 recruits to train.Total personnel around 1,000 .At the time, it was the largest squadron in the Navy.Squadron commanders have enormous responsibility. In McCain's case, he trained new and transitional pilots on carrier missions, which is very difficult. When he first took charge, the squadron had a terrible morale and maintenance record. He transformed that squadron to make it a first-rate unit. He got rid of the deadwood in its officer corps and brought in new blood.

    After his tour there he was appointed to the Navy's liaison to the Senate. He became involved in the defense budget fights of the Carter years being a strong effective advocate for the military. He built personal friendships and professional collaborations across political divide that showed throughout his years in the Senate. His reputation as a "maverick " is not without merit. He has infuriated me on many occasions . However ;if you are looking for a candidate to bridge the ideological divide ,McCain has a proven track record .Bambi only talks a good game.

    Slanders by Weasley Clark ,Jay Rockefeller, Tom Harkin, Ed Schultz, Keith Olbermann, and others will not diminish his record .Compared to Bambi ,McCain has a huge advantage if the issue is leadership ability or competence. The first job of a President is to keep the country safe, and McCain has decades of experience in this area. Bambi has none at all.
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    #156

    Jul 16, 2008, 04:19 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    Compared to Bambi ,McCain has a huge advantage if the issue is leadership ability or competence.
    If you're comparing him to Bambi then I hope he does - but we aren't talking about deer here.
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    #157

    Jul 16, 2008, 04:24 AM
    Obambi
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    #158

    Jul 16, 2008, 04:25 AM
    Who?
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    #159

    Jul 16, 2008, 07:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    McCain was an Executive Officer and commander of aviation squadron, VA-174, at Cecil Field in Florida. A review of Navy records and interviews with his former colleagues paint a picture of a commander who was lionized by his troops as a war hero and respected as a fair and effective manager. It was a squadron that trained pilots . He had 50 planes and over 100 recruits to train.Total personnel around 1,000 .At the time, it was the largest squadron in the Navy.Squadron commanders have enormous responsibility. In McCain's case, he trained new and transitional pilots on carrier missions, which is very difficult. When he first took charge, the squadron had a terrible morale and maintenance record. He transformed that squadron to make it a first-rate unit. He got rid of the deadwood in its officer corps and brought in new blood.

    After his tour there he was appointed to the Navy's liason to the Senate. He became involved in the defense budget fights of the Carter years being a strong effective advocate for the military. He built personal friendships and professional collaborations across political divide that showed throughout his years in the Senate. His reputation as a "maverick " is not without merit. He has infuriated me on many occasions . However ;if you are looking for a candidate to bridge the ideological divide ,McCain has a proven track record .Bambi only talks a good game.

    Slanders by Weasley Clark ,Jay Rockefeller, Tom Harkin, Ed Schultz, Keith Olbermann, and others will not diminish his record .Compared to Bambi ,McCain has a huge advantage if the issue is leadership ability or competence. The first job of a President is to keep the country safe, and McCain has decades of experience in this area. Bambi has none at all.

    Please document the info about McCain. Also, Wesley Clark did NOT slander McCain nor did he diminsh his record.
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    Jul 16, 2008, 07:47 AM
    What part do you want documented ? It is all part of the public record.

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