[George_1950]

At last check, this post/question was posed, not by a conservative, but one of you libs. I agree with progunr: what qualifies Obama for the position he seeks? At the current point in his life, I can see where he might get elected to the board of education or city/county commissioner. U.S. Senator? He lacks Hillary's qualifications.

[Wondergirl]

At last check, this post/question was posed, not by a conservative, but one of you libs. I agree with progunr: what qualifies Obama for the position he seeks? At the current point in his life, I can see where he might get elected to the board of education or city/county commissioner. U.S. Senator? He lacks Hillary's qualifications.

What professional qualifications and personal characteristics do you think are important to have in order to become POTUS?

[tomder55]

I am the first to concede that MCCain is not my 1st choice. Still I am more confident with him at the helm then Bambi.

Yes Wondergirl I'm sure Bambi is more than qualified to be a local Chicago machine pol. And I'm sure is personally likeable... But that is not in itself make him qualified to be POTUS . To me his postions (prior to his "shift to the middle" )are too radical.

Also ; he is counting on a huge youth voter turn out and even if they do come out in force ;they are irrelevant demographically .

There's 42 million of the "Youth Vote" 17-26.

The next biggest group is people in their Thirties and Forties, which is 84 million .

Then we have people in their forties and fifties, who are 61.5 million in total.

Seniors, in their Sixties or older. 50.6 million .

Seniors outnumber the Youth Vote by about 8 million. Unlike the Youth Vote, which has never yet participated in elections in large numbers, Seniors vote. High percentages of seniors both register to vote, and then vote in each election. They are not going to vote for Hope and Change. They have simpler concerns like crime, and inflation.
The candidate that best deals with their concerns will win ;and I don't care how big a lead Bambio gets in the run up to the election. Dukakis at this point had a tremendous lead over GHW Bush,

[NeedKarma]

At last check, this post/question was posed, not by a conservative, but one of you libs.

You think SkyGem is a "you libs"? LOL!
More like she is part of this: John McCain 2008 - John McCain for President Points for posting. Obama's Web 2.0 strategy includes a vast social network to get people together and discuss ideas and sow the seeds of person to person networks, whereas McCain's web 2.0 strategy is incentivized trolling... how progressive. Why can't the GOP focus on doing positive things rather than muckraking?

[George_1950]

The single most important qualification is the candidate's core beliefs. Voters need to know what a candidate believes about a variety of issues. After beleifs is experiences.

[Wondergirl]

Yes Wondergirl I'm sure Bambi is more than qualified to be a local Chicago machine pol. and I'm sure is personally likeable .... But that is not in itself make him qualified to be POTUS . To me his postions (prior to his "shift to the middle" )are too radical.

Well, Obama wasn't a mediocre student throughout his academic career. He didn't graduate magna laude with a double major: Partying and Drinking. He didn't use his family's political connections to get him out of Vietnam or take a cushy job with the Texas National Guard. Hmmm, what could possibly qualify Obama? And how has this country done under all those other experienced Presidents? Does political experience even ensure success as President?

[progunr]

Well, Obama wasn't a mediocre student throughout his academic career. He didn't graduate magna laude with a double major: Partying and Drinking. He didn't use his family's political connections to get him out of Vietnam or take a cushy job with the Texas National Guard. Hmmm, what could possibly qualify Obama? And how has this country done under all those other experienced Presidents? Does political experience even ensure success as President?

I didn't see anyone ask about political experience.

Just plain old real life, management experience, decision making experience, running a business experience, managing people experience, not to be confused with community organizing experience.

Also, I wasn't aware that he had to worry about going to Viet Nam at the ripe old age of 12 either?

What National Guard Unit did you say he had cushy experience in?

I must have missed that.

[Wondergirl]

community organizing experience.

I can tell you've never organized a community. What about a church supper? A Cub Scout den? A crew of court-ordered offenders? A class of 35 third and fourth graders? Hmmmm, I think I should give Obama a run for his money.

[Wondergirl]

What National Guard Unit did you say he had cushy experience in?

The one that he AWOLed out of?

George W. Bush military service controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I must have missed that.

Ya really got to keep up better than this, you know?

[progunr]

We are talking about Obama here.

Not revisiting the GW and Dan Rather debacle, that is old news, and it was not GW that suffered as a result of it.

Where is that Dan guy now anyway? Doesn't matter.

I want to know what National Guard Unit did Obama get HIS cushy experience in?

Oh, he was never in the National Guard?

What about a Reserve Unit?

Oh, that neither.

[SkyGem]

At last check, this post/question was posed, not by a conservative, but one of you libs. I agree with progunr: what qualifies Obama for the position he seeks? At the current point in his life, I can see where he might get elected to the board of education or city/county commissioner. U.S. Senator? He lacks Hillary's qualifications.

He DOES lack Hillary's qualifications! And that's a fact! George, since you are asking about Obama's qualifications and would be one to appreciate the GOP, thought you'd like to take a look at this.

GOP Videos Question Obama's Experience - Channel '08: The 2008 Election on Video

[BABRAM]

These Presidents all saw action in Wartime.

George Washington - Commander in Chief of Continental Army during the American Revolution.
James Monroe - served in American Revolution
Andrew Jackson - American Revolution, War of 1812, First Seminole War
William Henry Harrison - Indian wars in the NW territory, War of 1812
John Tyler - War of 1812
Zachary Taylor - War of 1812, Black Hawk, Second Seminole, and Mexican wars
Franklin Pierce - Mexican War
James Buchanan - War of 1812
Abraham Lincoln - Black Hawk War
Andrew Johnson - Civil War
Ulysses Grant - Mexican War, Civil War
Rutherford Hayes - Civil War
James Garfield - Civil War
Chester Arthur - Civil War
Benjamin Harrison - Civil War
William McKinley - Civil War
Theodore Roosevelt - Spanish-American War
Harry Truman - WWI
Dwight Eisenhower - WWII General
John Kennedy - WWII
Lyndon Johnson - WWII
Richard Nixon - WWII
Gerald Ford - WWII
George Bush - WWII



The following served without conflict.

James Madison
James Polk
Millard Fillmore
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan - kept out of combat due to bad eyesight
George W. Bush


The remainder of the presidents were not in the military.

John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
John Quincy Adams
Martin Van Buren
Grover Cleveland
William Taft
Woodrow Wilson
Warren Harding
Calvin Coolidge
Herbert Hoover
Franklin Roosevelt
Bill Clinton

[SkyGem]

I didn't see anyone ask about political experience.

Just plain old real life, management experience, decision making experience, running a business experience, managing people experience, not to be confused with community organizing experience.

Also, I wasn't aware that he had to worry about going to Viet Nam at the ripe old age of 12 either?

What National Guard Unit did you say he had cushy experience in?

I must have missed that.

progunr, thought this website really hit the nail on the head about what you were discussing above as it's the Experience factor that truly qualifies one!

Re: WHAT ARE OBAMA'S QUALIFICATIONS? - City Hall - Election 2008 - Comcast.net Community Forums

[BABRAM]

NK,

See! Relax and enjoy the moment. Think of it as watching kindergartners trying to master use of the blunted scissors, a box of crayons, construction paper, and Elmer's glue.


McCain: Obama 'Absolutely' Qualified to Be President - The Talk

[Wondergirl]

progunr, thought this website really hit the nail on the head about what you were discussing above as it's the Experience factor that truly qualifies one!

Experience in what, pray tell? Similar to Bush's experience (*cough*)--all that "experience' that has made him the prize he has become?

[SkyGem]

Experience in what, pray tell? Similar to Bush's experience (*cough*)--all that "experience' that has made him the prize he has become?

Goodness no, dear. Experience in being inexperienced, but pretending to be experienced, that's all dear.

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[Wondergirl]

Goodness no, dear. Experience in being inexperienced, but pretending to be experienced

You refuse to answer my question? Figures.

[George_1950]

Experience in what, pray tell? Similar to Bush's experience (*cough*)--all that "experience' that has made him the prize he has become?

Texas is the second largest U.S. state in both area and population. After graduating from college, Bush worked in his family's oil businesses. He made an unsuccessful run for the United States House of Representatives in 1978. He co-owned the Texas Rangers baseball team before defeating Ann Richards to become Governor of Texas in 1994. In a close and controversial election, Bush was elected to the Presidency in 2000 as the Republican candidate. You don't have to like him, but it is safe to say he made a payroll, including paying salaries and taxes. Care to review and compare the Democrats for the last 50 years?

[Wondergirl]

The Bush campaign was criticized for allegedly using controversial methods to disparage Richards. During his tenure as Texas governor, Bush signed the execution warrants for more death row inmates than any other Governor in the history of Texas, averaging a death every nine days. Gov. Bush's appointees at the Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission (TNRCC) undermined new federal public health standards and state pollution inspections, rolled back regulations, and attempted to manipulate pollution data to help the industries they were charged with regulating. Many industry legislative initiatives during Gov. George W. Bush's term in office follow parallel themes: limiting liability for polluters, reducing public input on regulatory decisions, allowing 'voluntary' instead of mandatory compliance with environmental laws, and, allowing polluters to design their own anti-pollution programs. There is no trustworthy data to support Bush's exaggerated claims that Texas students' true academic proficiency dramatically improved on his watch. Every piece of trusted independent data shows the opposite.

It's too bad Obama doesn't have such great accomplishments in his back pocket.

[tomder55]

Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yes Wondergirl I'm sure Bambi is more than qualified to be a local Chicago machine pol. and I'm sure is personally likeable .... But that is not in itself make him qualified to be POTUS . To me his postions (prior to his "shift to the middle" )are too radical.



Well, Obama wasn't a mediocre student throughout his academic career. He didn't graduate magna laude with a double major: Partying and Drinking. He didn't use his family's political connections to get him out of Vietnam or take a cushy job with the Texas National Guard. Hmmm, what could possibly qualify Obama? And how has this country done under all those other experienced Presidents? Does political experience even ensure success as President?

More on Obama as a "community organizer " (in his own words... courtesy of the liberal New Yorker Magazine... don't be fooled by the stupid cover.. they love the guy)

"When I started organizing, I understood the idea of social change in a very abstract way," Obama told me last year. "It was to some extent informed by my years in Indonesia, seeing extreme poverty and disparities of wealth and understanding sort of in a dim way that life wasn’t fair and government had something to do with it. I understood the role that issues like race played and took inspiration from the civil-rights movement and what the student sit-ins had accomplished and the freedom rides.

"But I didn’t come out of a political family, didn’t have a history of activism in my family. So I understood these things in the abstract. When I went to Chicago, it was the first time that I had the opportunity to test out my ideas. And for the most part I would say I wasn’t wildly successful. The victories that we achieved were extraordinarily modest: you know, getting a job-training site set up or getting an after-school program for young people put in place."

The Political Scene: Making It: Reporting & Essays: The New Yorker

Abstract ideas and theories qualifies him to be a professor ,not a leader.