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Credendovidis · Jul 12, 2008, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by tsila1777

It could be lack of faith, God does nothing except by faith. He is a faith God, without faith it is impossible to please God.

That is just what you BELIEVE. Can you prove that to be so? No, is it not. At least not without more BELIEF !

Originally Posted by tsila1777

So instead of being angry with Him....

Angry? It has nothing to do with being angry. Not even on a so far never-proved-to-exist deity.
I just state that so far no amputated human limb has ever regrown into a full new limb. But if you have any information on where that did happen , please post it here.

:rolleyes:

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bushg · Jul 12, 2008, 07:37 AM

Cred... this thread is about what makes one a mature christian. If you are not going/able to give an example of that then maybe you should not be responding on this question.

You do not seem to go by the same rules that you request of others on the threads that you start. Silly man.

N0help4u · Jul 12, 2008, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by bushg

cred...this thread is about what makes one a mature christian. If you are not going/able to give an example of that then maybe you should not be responding on this question.

You do not seem to go by the same rules that you request of others on the threads that you start. Silly man.

N0help4u agrees: I second that!!

Greenie: :D

tsila1777 · Jul 12, 2008, 09:25 AM

"That is just what you BELIEVE. Can you prove that to be so? No, is it not. At least not without more BELIEF !"

What she asks totally confused...

Yes, I can give you names, dates and places... I have seen with my own eyes miracles of restoration, healings, and many other miracles, but to tell you about them here would be a waste of my time and energy; a waste of space.

But for the one who asked about faith:

There is documented proof of people being raised from the dead.

My sister was given 6 months to live, that was 3 years ago, she is cancer free and it was by faith. She has given her testimony on tape to many and it has increased their faith to believe for their own healing. Because Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

I believed before I saw, therefore I am blessed, but since I have believed I have seen many things to confirm my faith... so many things... that could ONLY have been God.

Can one document a coincidence? I don't think so.

N0help4u · Jul 12, 2008, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by tsila1777

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My sister was given 6 months to live, that was 3 years ago, she is cancer free and it was by faith. She has given her testimony on tape to many and it has increased their faith to believe for their own healing. Because Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

I believed before I saw, therefore I am blessed, but since I have believed I have seen many things to confirm my faith....so many things...that could ONLY have been God.

Can one document a coincidence? I don't think so.

Skeptics just say that only proved you had power of positive thinking within your own self and nothing to do with proving God.

tsila1777 · Jul 12, 2008, 09:51 AM

Fortunately, skeptics matter so little to me, I scarcely notice them. If they saw for themselves a leg grow back from a stub, or a man raised from the dead, they still would not believe. It was the same in the time that Jesus walked the earth and did many signs and wonders, it will always be that way until He returns and then there will be no skeptics left. I can wait.

N0help4u · Jul 12, 2008, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by tsila1777

Fortunately, skeptics matter so little to me, I scarcely notice them. If they saw for themselves a leg grow back from a stub, or a man raised from the dead, they still would not believe. It was the same in the time that Jesus walked the earth and did many signs and wonders, it will always be that way until He returns and then there will be no skeptics left. I can wait.

Ain't that the honest to God's truth!!

tsila1777 · Jul 12, 2008, 10:05 AM

Amen!!

Credendovidis · Jul 12, 2008, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by tsila1777

Yes, I can give you names, dates and places...I have seen with my own eyes miracles of restoration, healings, and many other miracles, but to tell you about them here would be a waste of my time and energy; a waste of space.

In other words : actually you can not provide the evidence I asked you !

Originally Posted by tsila1777

There is documented proof of people being raised from the dead.

That still does not support the religious wild claims !

Originally Posted by tsila1777

Can one document a coincidence? I don't think so.

Can you prove your wild claims? I don't think so.

:rolleyes:

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tsila1777 · Jul 12, 2008, 07:57 PM

"How will the beliefs and attitudes that I choose affect my most important relationships and the way I live this earthly life before the death of my physical body?" I figure if I can get that right, I can be content, in spite of not knowing what comes next. That's what I call faith.

That's not faith dude, that's hiding your head in the sand.

With all due respect, what you "know" about the afterlife is based on exactly the same evidence that is available to the rest of us, so what you believe is true for you, and those who agree with you--nobody else.

Well, if I'm wrong, no harm done. But if you are wrong, there will be no mercy for your soul and you will be in Hell forever. :eek: Isn't it worth a second thought? I mean, just in case...................

JoeCanada76 · Jul 12, 2008, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by bushg

cred...this thread is about what makes one a mature christian. If you are not going/able to give an example of that then maybe you should not be responding on this question.

You do not seem to go by the same rules that you request of others on the threads that you start. Silly man.

I completely agree here and it was said on so many pages before. Sticking to the topic but rarely it ever happens. Especially on this thread because somebody is always to busy arguing.

Also would like to add that the wording used by one of the members, the wording retarded response, that was uncalled for.

ordinaryguy · Jul 12, 2008, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Can you prove your wild claims? I don't think so.

Can you give a responsive and respectful answer to the question, "What makes you a mature Christian?" I don't think so.

tsila1777 · Jul 12, 2008, 08:14 PM

[quote=Credendovidis]In other words : actually you can not provide the evidence I asked you !

In other words you are not worth wasting my time on....

That still does not support the religious wild claims !

No? Are you really that nescient, or are you just ridiculous? I never tried to support religious claims anyway...I support relationship, and the power of God Who is LOVE.

Can you prove your wild claims? I don't think so.

I don't have to prove anything...I just have to wait, and you'll see. :eek:

Credendovidis · Jul 13, 2008, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by tsila1777

In other words you are not worth wasting my time on....

That is YOUR conclusion. Why do you try to put words into my mouth?

Originally Posted by tsila1777

I don't have to prove anything...I just have to wait, and you'll see.

The problem with that is that you seem to demand from others that what you BELIEVE is the one and only truth. See the first part of my signature : you are a prime candidate to follow that suggestion !
As to that "wait and see" : I am already decades beyond that type of nonsensical "Pascal's wager" remarks.

:rolleyes:

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wildandblue · Jul 14, 2008, 10:40 AM

Want to hear another cool story? My mailbox was on it's last legs. I was going to replace it, but the bolt holding it on was rusted. I would need two wrenches and a can of WD40 to get it loose, so I put it off. Then the guy across the street (mailbox is across the road) decided to cut the edge of his field so he could harvest his corn. He was using a sicklebar mower but went out of his way to hit my mailbox with it (box is about 3 1/2 feet above road, grass is 10 to 12 inches, ergo he needed to raise the mower to hit it.) So when I went back later my mailbox was neatly removed with no effort on my part and I put up the new one. Now here's the really cool part:The broken mailbox was shredded and landed in HIS field, where it went on to break the expensive blades on his combine, but enough shredded mailbox survived that to venture on to the feed mill where it clogged up the machinery and the mill where he sold his grain caught on fire and burned. Kind of an expensive act could easily all been avoided. Does anyone else see the hand of God? You go out of your way to mess with someone who's not bothering you, and the Creator smacks you one.

tsila1777 · Jul 14, 2008, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by tsila1777 In other words you are not worth wasting my time on...

That is YOUR conclusion. Why do you try to put words into my mouth?

What in heck does this question have to do with the comment?. it has NOTHING to do with the comment. And YES that is my conclusion. And even though it is so idiotic, I'll answer your stupid question:

Because you don't seem to be able to put any intelligent words in your mouth for yourself. So there!

As for the wait and you'll see... that still stands... you can't be past it, because it has not happened yet. Duh!

N0help4u · Jul 14, 2008, 01:25 PM

Yeah I was wondering how you not wasting your time is putting words in Cred's mouth:confused:

Credendovidis · Jul 14, 2008, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by tsila1777

As for the wait and you'll see...that still stands...you can't be past it, because it has not happened yet.

I agree with you - and even underline - that it has not happened yet. I even think that it never will happen. That is what you get when you believe in mythical entities and deities for which no objective supporting evidence has ever been provided : you believe in such an entity for year, hand-over the vicar or priest a lot of money, but when you die, you - just like I - will fall asleep without ever to awake again.
No heaven , no hell , no "God", nothing. Well... : nobody has ever been able to prove that any of these really exist !
:rolleyes:

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ordinaryguy · Jul 14, 2008, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by wildandblue

Does anyone else see the hand of God? You go out of your way to mess with someone who's not bothering you, and the Creator smacks you one.

All I see is human carelessness that resulted in tragedy. The fact that you see the result as God smacking him one says a lot about your concept of God, but not much about God. I don't think a mature Christian would assume that he went out of his way to mess with you by hitting your mailbox on purpose.

wildandblue · Jul 20, 2008, 11:07 AM

Well you have not lived next door to him for 25 years either. Him firing bullets off a street sign in the front yard while you are mowing your lawn there is one example, also he sees no need to use a manure spreader, just opens up the drain on his manure lagoon and lets the thousands of gallons spill into the stream flowing through our horse pasture out front. And like I said, it's a little hard to knock the TOP off a mailbox if you are mowing 10 to twelve inch weeds on the ground.