[Credendovidis]

Yes I'm serious. And just High on life, my friend. You remind me a lot of St. Paul, do you know that? How he persecuted the early Church until he suddenly saw the light. And look what a pillar of the Church he turned out to be, because he wasn't a poor fisherman but a scholarly man. He wrote nearly half of the New Testament by himself.

Look : if you were serious with your post # 37, can you than repeat that in normal English that can be understood ?

Look, you can have a comet if you really want one. Since this was in the past I don't see any reason to argue for or against in order to have faith. We can't change the past, just who we are and where we're going.

?? Who ever stated he/she wants a comet? What the heck are you referring to?

:confused:

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[wildandblue]

I'm assuming your reluctance to get on board with the Earth being created in seven days has something to do with you not getting a big comet to destroy the dinosaurs or something. If you don't need a comet, that's fine, cause they're a little expensive environmentally. I'm giving evidence to support the six days, the Earth is rotating veeeerrryyy slowly which would support what I assume is your eons of time theory. It's a win win scenario, you can pick your reality, doesn't make mine false. And only mine leads to eternal life.

[Alty]

The Council for Secular Humanism is the * leading organization for non-religious people. A not-for-profit educational association, the Council supports a wide range of activities to meet the needs of people who find meaning and value in life without looking to a god.

Secular Humanism is a way of thinking and living that aims to bring out the best in people so that all people can have the best in life. Secular humanists reject supernatural and authoritarian beliefs. They affirm that we must take responsibility for our own lives and the communities and world in which we live. Secular humanism emphasizes reason and scientific inquiry, individual freedom and responsibility, human values and compassion, and the need for tolerance and cooperation.

(Ref link : Council for Secular Humanism)

Some people here on this board claim Secular Humanism to be a religion.
The above statement by the Council for Secular Humanism clearly state differently.

Any comments?

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Note :

* The link refers to the North America's Council for Secular Humanism.

And the definition of religion;

A religion is a set of beliefs and practices, often centered upon specific supernatural and moral claims about reality, the cosmos, and human nature, and often codified as prayer, ritual, and religious law. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and mystic experience. The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related to communal faith and to group rituals and communication stemming from shared conviction.

Secular humanism seems to have some aspects of a religion, but not enough to make it a religion. I don't know allot about Secular humanism, I'll take what you said at face value cred. Having said that, nope they shouldn't be considered a religion, but they are close, at least that's my opinion.

Please, anyone, feel free to disagree, like I said, just my opinion, more than happy to hear others arguments and opinions. :)

[Credendovidis]

I'm assuming your reluctance to get on board with the Earth being created in seven days has something to do with you not getting a big comet to destroy the dinosaurs or something. If you don't need a comet, that's fine, cause they're a little expensive enviromentally. I'm giving evidence to support the six days, the Earth is rotating veeeerrryyy slowly which would support what I assume is your eons of time theory. It's a win win scenario, you can pick your reality, doesn't make mine false. And only mine leads to eternal life.

At least now I start to understand what you were saying...

I never used any comet impact as an argument for evolution. But the historical data and the fact such impacts take place regularly, and - in the referred case it seems to have almost been at the same time - is one of many excellent possibilities how and why that extinction may have happened. Evolution is not based on the extinction of dinosaurs. That was only one item out of many influences over the approx. 3.500.000.000 years long period of evolution.

What scientific data is there that the universe was created in 6 days? On what do you base that?

Eons of time - with that I refer to the approx. 14.500.000.000 year period between the origin of the universe and modern times.

I do not say that anything you believe in is incorrect. All I stated many times on this and other boards is that what you believe in has never so far been objectively supported by evidence.

And that by you claimed to exist "eternal life" is also one of these claims that are not covered by objectively supported by evidence.

:D

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[wildandblue]

There is also no money back guarantee with the eternal life package option.

[sassyT]

Whether you agree or not.. Secualar Humanism is a religious organisation. They even have the same tax exempt status as religious organisation.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.. it is a Duck. Like it or not S.H is a RELIGION.

:)

[Credendovidis]

There is also no money back guarantee with the eternal life package option.

As far as I know there is not even an eternal life package... Some people CLAIM that there is...

:rolleyes: :D :p :D ;)

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[sassyT]

As far as I know??? there is not even an eternal life package .... Some people CLAIM that there is ....



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What You mean to say is as far as you BELIEVE.. there is no after life.
You CLAIM there is no eternal life but you can not prove it. :rolleyes:

[Credendovidis]

What You mean to say is as far as you BELIEVE.. there is no after life. You CLAIM there is no eternal life but you can not prove it. :rolleyes:

I always stated that there is no evidence for the Christian carrot swinging from a stick : the eternal afterlife. And as far as I am concerned it therefore is an irrelevant claim.

The Christian afterlife claim has the same value as the Hindu reincarnation claim, or the Spaghetti Monster claim of a daily plate of fresh pasta into eternity for every one : none of them is supported by any objective supporting evidence what-so-ever!!

:rolleyes:

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[wildandblue]

Well even if someone should rise from the dead, that would be subjective evidence, since you'd have to take that person's word for what happened to him or the word of people who witnessed it. Which is the case for Jesus and the Apostles and what they did long ago. Objective would seem to be a very large subjective, and if everyone has to be dead and ressurrected before you personally have enough evidence, it would be a moot point by then. Presumably you believe in the universe, that it is infinite? But you have never seen the whole thing.

[Credendovidis]

Presumably you believe in the universe, that it is infinite? But you have never seen the whole thing.

No, not really. We know from science that although the universe is very, very big, it still is an expanding area, and as such it has a limit to it´s (constantly increasing') size.

:rolleyes:

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[wildandblue]

Homework: Define the universe and give three examples.

[Credendovidis]

Define the universe and give three examples.

Although this is not the correct board to do so, and lacking the time to go deeper into this, I use Wikipedia for a nice definition (note : just the following blue lines only) :

"The Universe is defined as everything that physically exists: the entirety of space and time, all forms of matter, energy and momentum, and the physical laws and constants that govern them. ".

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I would like to slightly amend that to : "everything that physically exists for everyone within this universe". That to make it clearer for those who do not realize that "space and time" already means that this "everything that physically exists" is limited to all that within this universe.

Reason : for us the universe will always be the only universe we will know to exist. If there are more universes outside our own universe is unknown and will always be unknown to us. But it is not impossible that there are other universes outside our own universe. Actually there is no reason not to expect the existence of other universes.

Note that I do not refer to other "universes" here as mentioned in "multiple dimension" proposals : these parallel universes are a sort of dimensional copies of our own universe within the universe, and allow for different physical laws to be valid.

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No need to provide three examples of our universe. For us within this universe there will never be another universe.

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As to the limits of our universe : it is limited by space and time. There is no time AD/BC variant from before the Big Bang. There is neither a space limit other than the outer "shell" - which is not an actual shell. (Note : just a poor 3D representation within a 4D reality). The actual outer shell refers to the area where the expansion of our universe is just reaching.

:rolleyes:

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[sassyT]

I always stated that there is no evidence for the Christian carrot swinging from a stick : the eternal afterlife. And as far as I am concerned it therefore is an irrelevant claim.

The Christian afterlife claim has the same value as the Hindu reincarnation claim, or the Spaghetti Monster claim of a daily plate of fresh pasta into eternity for every one : none of them is supported by any objective supporting evidence what-so-ever !!!


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Lol Credo.. you are so ignorant in so many subjects. You need to do some research before you embaras yourself with your empty UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS.

There is OBJECTIVE SUPPORTED SCIENTIFIC evidence for Life after death.

Read this
BBC News | HEALTH | Evidence of 'life after death'

The Afterlife Experiments: Breakthrough Scientific Evidence of Life after Death.(Book review) - The Journal of Parapsychology | Encyclopedia.com

Even Dawinsist like yourself believe in there is life after death..
AFTERLIFE- DOES IT EXIST? THE OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE

So Please we know you are zealous believer in such things a magical big bang and you claim it is FACT without evidence but please don't make ignorant remarks that there is no scientific evidence for life after death when in reality there is.

I think you just struggle with reality.. :D
Get with the program!

[Credendovidis]

you are so ignorant in so many subjects.

You know sassyT : you so frequently post statements like the one I refer to here.
But every time you fail to provide the objective supporting evidence you CLAIM to provide in some link.

I followed the BBC link. That article is NOT about the Christian claim on the existence of life after death.
It states : "Scientists investigating 'near-death' experiences say they have found evidence to suggest that consciousness can continue to exist after the brain has ceased to function."
TO SUGGEST : so you call that OBJECTIVE SUPPORTED EVIDENCE?

I followed the Afterlife link. That article is NO evidence for life after death. It is about a book someone wrote about that.
A BOOK : so you call that OBJECTIVE SUPPORTED EVIDENCE?

And once again : what are "Dawinsist"?? Whatever they are, I surely am not one of them.

sassyT : all your posts indicate clearly that it is you who is so ignorant in so many subjects. It almost is too sad for words...

:D :D :D :D :D

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[sassyT]

[[B]QUOTE=Credendovidis]You know sassyT : you so frequently post statements like the one I refer to here.
But every time you fail to provide the objective supporting evidence you CLAIM to provide in some link.

I followed the BBC link. That article is NOT about the Christian claim on the existence of life after death.
It states : "Scientists investigating 'near-death' experiences say they have found evidence to suggest that consciousness can continue to exist after the brain has ceased to function."

Lol Credo.. you in such denial. This is an independent study that was not done by Christians so we know it is not biased. Let me quote part of the article and you tell me if this does not sound like a spiritual life AFTER DEATH.

BBC Evidence of 'life after death'

The researchers interviewed 63 patients who had survived heart attacks within a week of the experience

Of these 56 had no recollection of the period of unconsciousness they experienced whilst, effectively, clinically dead.
However, seven had memories, four of which counted as near-death experiences.
They told of feelings of peace and joy, time speeded up, heightened senses, lost awareness of body, seeing a bright light, entering another world, encountering a mystical being and coming to "a point of no return".


Scientists have done studies and have come up characteristics of near death experiences where people who have been clinically dead have reported seeing light, out of body experiences, feeling a spiritual relm. Read this study
Characteristics of a Near-Death Experience
Homepage for IANDS

TO SUGGEST : so you call that OBJECTIVE SUPPORTED EVIDENCE?

YES

sassyT : all your posts indicate clearly that it is you who is so ignorant in so many subjects. It almost is too sad for words...

Apparenly you are the one who is BLIND to all evidence unless it supports your own wild unsupported CLAIMS. :rolleyes:

[NeedKarma]

4 of 63? That's your evidence? The evidence you present actually suggests the opposite of what you propose.

You're in a master's degree? Really?

[Credendovidis]

This is an independent study that was not done by Christians so we know it is not biased.

Based on WHAT do you know that it is not biased?
Because the study was not done by Christians?
Or because they claim it was an independent study?
What retarded argumentation is that ?

And you claim to have a degree in Biology ?
No wonder you refuse to mention where and when you got that "degree"...
You have not a single iota of understanding what scientific support, scientific evidence, and objective supported evidence is all about !

:rolleyes:

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[sassyT]

Based on WHAT do you know that it is not biased?
Because the study was not done by Christians?
Or because they claim it was an independent study?
What retarded argumentation is that ?

Lol.. lol... lol you seriously crack me up. Your denial of reality is such an entertaining specticle.. lol
I think everyone here knows BBC to be a credible source for News on new scientific research and the encyclopedia is too. Again like I said before, I think your zeal for you beliefs is good, but the problems is, it blinds you from reality. :rolleyes:

[sassyT]

No wonder you refuse to mention where and when you got that "degree"...

You can ask till you are blue in the face and I won't tell you because unlike you... I do not share my personal life with strangers online. How do I know you are not going to buy a plain ticket to come and stalk me at my school. You have already shown that you have a lot time on your hands so I don't trust what idle people can do with information. :rolleyes: