[BMI]

Thanks workerbee! I do so enjoy speaking with you.

[workerbee]

By your measuring stick not mine You are so insecure aren't you? I asked a question which you answered saying that you do not take the Bible literally. I got it. You don't have to answer again. Thanks

You crazy angry Christians.

workerbee

[NeedKarma]

I am also not intending to make others believe what I do but rather defending my position.

You cannot go around saying you think this is all B.S and be rude about it OR post "facts" that are not factual either. If these "opinions" were posted in another forum they would be met with all kinds of opposition. I don't see the difference here when people make comments that are of this nature.

Unfortunately I detect a double standard. Remember this post you made:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/spirit...tml#post560628

If Karma thinks that you can be truly happy without God, than that of course is incorrect, and if offends than so be it.

Now c'mon now. I state that one, such as myself, can be happy without a god and you try to state that that is fact that one cannot then we have a problem.

[BMI]

What problem?? Define what happiness is comparable with what I consider it to be. The Bible itself would back the statement made, perhaps you are happy with no belief in God, maybe your not as happy as those that do.

I believe you cannot be truly happy without God, I'm not saying you're an idiot, I'm not making fun of your beleifs, I'm not even saying your not happy. My point is that some here actually try to insult and belittle a belief in God is all. If you sayto me you can only be trully happy not believing in God I would not be offended in the least. If, however, you say that beleifin God is for the weak, then I may take issue with it.

As for the offend comment, perhaps I did not like you at the time:)

[lobrobster]

But I think most of them have some truth. I can't think of any that have none at all, although I suppose there may exist some.

Are you suggesting there is more than 1 path to salvation? Can Muslims and other religions get to heaven without accepting Christ as their Savior?

[jillianleab]

I'm going to take you re-reading my posts as a compliment, intended or not:P

I participated in defence and my thoughts on atheism are different than writing why atheism is so stupid, like some include in their posts. Re-read workerbee's original question, its much more causing a stir than simply asking a question. I doubt many ask a question hoping for a sincere, informative answer when written like that, like he/she knows the answer beforehand. I am also not intending to make others believe what I do but rather defending my position.

I agree; there is a difference between posting a question with the intent to seek answers/opinions, and posting a question to start a flame war (again, see my post on page three of this thread).

You cannot go around saying you think this is all B.S and be rude about it OR post "facts" that are not factual either. If these "opinions" were posted in another forum they would be met with all kinds of opposition. I don't see the difference here when people make comments that are of this nature.

True, but sometimes we all mis-speak (mis-type?), or our words are read in a way which was not intended. It's part of the problem with communication through written word; it's difficult to pick up on meanings, sarcasm, etc, whereas is actual conversation you have body language to cue you into the speaker's feelings. The other problem (as demonstrated with your communication with NK) is that what some perceive as rude is not perceived as rude by others. You think there's nothing rude about saying one can't be truly happy without god; I, for one, think that's a very rude thing to say. It's akin to saying you can't be smart if you believe in god. You don't have to defend yourself, but to me, that's rude.

In response to opinion's. There is a line between your opinions and being offensive to someone's religion. Depicting God as a cartoon with a thunder bolt is not appropriate and very offensive.

Again, the example of your communication with NK. And depictions of god as a cartoon character are, believe it or not, seen as humorous to some (even some believers). We have no way of knowing what may or may not offend someone on this site (within reason, of course). But you know, there is something to the saying that if you are looking to be offended, you will find a way to be offended.

[BMI]

Well written Jillian. Even with the above I do believe that the OP was not operating along the fine line between offensive and non.

[jillianleab]

Well written Jillian. Even with the above I do beleive that the OP was not operating along the fine line between offensive and non.

If only I could give you a greenie... :D

[De Maria]

Bmi, thanks for your concern, at least you have not lost any scarcasm, very good. What's the point of going into detail you have made up yourmind. I think ignorance and religion go hand in hand , you knwo like those natives, how they believe in there silly supersitions\much like Christianity. Same thing as far as I am concerned. If you don'ttake the Bible literally you can pick parts you like and discard the rest. Besides i said all i have too.
DeMaria, you spend way too much time being insulted when none was intended. If you want to stay on this forum you might consider growing a thicker skin.

Anyway that's what i think

Don't mind me. If that's the new rule I can adjust. Just remember that you said it. When I tell you why your thoughts are BS, don't start crying foul.

[De Maria]

Well written Jillian. ...

Ditto!

[De Maria]

Are you suggesting there is more than 1 path to salvation? Can Muslims and other religions get to heaven without accepting Christ as their Savior?

Lob, you and I already discussed this in "For believers only" message #76, 80, 81 and 84.
Here's a link:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/christ...-143702-9.html

If you still have questions, start another thread. This thread is about taking the Bible literally. I believe everyone else is trying to get back to the subject at hand.

Sincerely,

De Maria

[lobrobster]

Lob, you and I already discussed this in "For believers only" message #76, 80, 81 and 84.
Here's a link:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/christ...-143702-9.html

If you still have questions, start another thread. This thread is about taking the Bible literally. I believe everyone else is trying to get back to the subject at hand.

Sincerely,

De Maria

No need to re-hash all that. My point was that you yourself know what it means to question certain truths about other people's religion. So it shouldn't come as such a shock to you when someone questions the truth about ALL religions. I'll agree that using terms like 'BS' isn't the most tactful form of expression. But it basically just means they don't buy into any of them, in a similar way that you don't buy into Hinduism.

[Credendovidis]

Why do Christians take the Bible so literal? Some parts are absolutely absurd.

First of all : the percentage of people who take the Bible literal is rather low.
Most Christians see the Bible as a religious guide to life.

If you during your youth have been brainwashed into Christianity, and when there is somewhere in your brain all kinds of religious doubt gnawing around, you can do two things :
1 - Open up your mind, and ask yourself if what you believe is in any way realistic and can be based on reality. If the answer is no, become a non-believer or deist.
2 - Those who fear the thorn of "God", and/or the reaction by the (religious) people around them tend to force themselves into strict religious rules, one of which is taking the Bible literal in the hope that this will stop their queries.
In this second group religion seems mainly based on fear, not on love of and gratitude for the deity.

;)

[De Maria]

No need to re-hash all that. My point was that you yourself know what it means to question certain truths about other people's religion. So it shouldn't come as such a shock to you when someone questions the truth about ALL religions. I'll agree that using terms like 'BS' isn't the most tactful form of expression. But it basically just means they don't buy into any of them, in a similar way that you don't buy into Hinduism.

In other words, you are justifying rude language and insults. Bumblebee (or whatever his name is) has done the same. If that is the way this forum will go, I foresee that things are going to get very distasteful.

I'd rather have polite discussions. But let me know when you want me to describe your beliefs as BS. I'm ready, willing and able.

[lobrobster]

In other words, you are justifying rude language and insults. Bumblebee (or whatever his name is) has done the same. If that is the way this forum will go, I foresee that things are going to get very distasteful.

I'd rather have polite discussions. But let me know when you want me to describe your beliefs as BS. I'm ready, willing and able.

I've already said that use of the term BS was not tactful and am not sure I would have used it myself. And by the way... If you ever feel that a belief I hold is BS, feel free to say so (but please be sure to point out exactly what you think is false about it). I won't take offense, I promise. Being able to justify my beliefs is important to me. If ever I can't, I will most likely concede. I see no shame in that.

[Fr_Chuck]

Thread closed, it is ending up as most, with attacks on religious beliefs by those with none, name calling and attempts to hijack the thread