[BABRAM]

Okay stick your head in the sand, and forget the actual links. That is the problem with Obama, all talk, and an eloquent talker at that. For alot of people that is enough to convince them, but for the presidency you have to look past all the empty feel good rhetoric and examine and consider the details.

Hillary tried and failed. In fact she went 0 for 20 in primary debates. McCain will be given every opportunity in the general election debates to expose the "empty rhetoric" proclaimed by his supporters and use it for prosecution. Let's see how well that works out for your spokesman after cross examination being face to face with Obama. :rolleyes:

[inthebox]

Actually, I wish it were an unscripted head to head townhall kind of debate in which the candidates can't just whip out their talking points.

[BABRAM]

We really need both candidates to hammer out their points. The network moderators will receive pitches from both campaigns, usually a compromise, and have various debate formats to satisfy both candidates. This might give McCain an opportunity to prove he's not just another Bush clone. Although that's going to be a hard sale no matter what the format.

[speechlesstx]

We really need both candidates to hammer out their points. The network moderators will receive pitches from both campaigns, usually a compromise, and have various debate formats to satisfy both candidates. This might give McCain an opportunity to prove he's not just another Bush clone. Although that's going to be a hard sale no matter what the format.

Bobby, you're starting to sound like Howard Dean. Should we expect a scream soon? What makes it a harder sale for McCain is the media has done a 180 on their former favorite. I heard one of the many "Democratic strategists" that seem to pop up out of nowhere this morning try to explain that McCain, not Obama, was still the media favorite. LOL!

[tomder55]

We know that is not the fact . The NY slimes turned on him as soon as he became the nominee.

[BABRAM]

Bobby, you're starting to sound like Howard Dean. Should we expect a scream soon? What makes it a harder sale for McCain is the media has done a 180 on their former favorite. I heard one of the many "Democratic strategists" that seem to pop up out of nowhere this morning try to explain that McCain, not Obama, was still the media favorite. LOL!

Huh?? What the hell did I miss? Howard Dean spoke recently on which possible general election debate platforms that are to be used? The same Howard Dean that I chastised for letting the Clinton primary circus continue far so long? BTW I've been shouting at George Walker Bush for two terms now. That also has nothing to do with the media and everything to do with Dubya. ;)

[speechlesstx]

What did you miss?

his might give McCain an opportunity to prove he's not just another Bush clone.

Howard the Deaniac and McMahon were spreading that nonsense long before Obama - or you - adopted that talking point... I get their emails :D

Come on, you're more original than that my friend.

[BABRAM]

Howard the Deaniac and McMahon were spreading that nonsense long before Obama - or you - adopted that talking point...I get their emails :D

Come on, you're more original than that my friend.

1) So? I don't receive Howard Dean emails.

2) If that's what H. Dean implied, before my own original thoughts on the issue, then I give him credit.

3) When two people come to the same conclusion, arbitrarily, perhaps there is substance.


:cool:

[speechlesstx]

1) So?! I don't receive Howard Dean emails.

2) If that's what H. Dean implied, before my own original thoughts on the issue, then I give him credit.

3) When two people come to the same conclusion, arbitrarily, perhaps there is substance.

Or, since I've been mentioning it since early February and Obama has made it his favorite point (besides uhhh), the "conclusion" was an unconscious selection ;)

[BABRAM]

Or, since I've been mentioning it since early February and Obama has made it his favorite point (besides uhhh), the "conclusion" was an unconscious selection ;)

I suggest you supplement with vitamins regularly. Did you really think that Howard Dean and I are the only two people on the planet that sees minute differences between Dubya and McSame. Like I said, come general election debate time, McCain will get a chance to prove otherwise. :rolleyes:

[speechlesstx]

I suggest you supplement with vitamins regularly.

A Corona with lime is more fun... and tastier.

Did you really think that Howard Dean and I are the only two people on the planet that sees minute differences between Dubya and McSame. Like I said, come general election debate time, McCain will get a chance to prove otherwise. :rolleyes:

Since it's been splashed across every newspaper in the country and repeated on every news channel for months by every Democrat talking head, it's easy to see it's the "company line." :rolleyes:

[NeedKarma]

Since it's been splashed across every newspaper in the country and repeated on every news channel for months by every Democrat talking head, it's easy to see it's the "company line."

It's not the company line, it's the truth:

John McSame - Progressive Media USA

Senator John McCain has voted with President Bush 100% of the time in 2008 and 95% of the time in 2007

[speechlesstx]

It's not the company line, it's the truth:

Senator John McCain has voted with President Bush 100% of the time in 2008 and 95% of the time in 2007

About 4 minutes worth of research reveals McCain voted AGAINST the party 391 times since Bush has been in office. I told you, I come prepared.

[BABRAM]

Since it's been splashed across every newspaper in the country and repeated on every news channel for months by every Democrat talking head, it's easy to see it's the "company line." :rolleyes:

And I've got news for you! The "company" has known since day one of Dubya's second term, and it wasn't even a coordinated effort. :)

[NeedKarma]

About 4 minutes worth of research reveals McCain voted AGAINST the party 391 times since Bush has been in office. I told you, I come prepared.

I wasn't referring to the party, I was referring to his loyalty to Bush. And frankly some of the things he has voted against is quite apppaling.

[speechlesstx]

I wasn't referring to the party, I was referring to his loyalty to Bush. And frankly some of the things he has voted against is quite apppaling.

It's funny how the media has portrayed McCain as a "maverick" for all these years, he's voted against his party (whose top figure is the President) 391 times since Bush has been president - and now you guys are painting him as an EXTREME Bush loyalist based on this year and last when he's missed most of the votes. LOL, that's a very weak argument.

[speechlesstx]

And I've got news for you! The "company" has known since day one of Dubya's second term, and it wasn't even a coordinated effort. :)

I don't see how that's relevant since the "company line" is a "third Bush term," and it only surfaced when it became clear McCain would be the nominee. ;)

[BABRAM]

I don't see how that's relevant since the "company line" is a "third Bush term," and it only surfaced when it became clear McCain would be the nominee. ;)

I'll help you "Steve." A president in the US can only run for two terms; Civics 101. The Republican party, unless they decided not to run a candidate for president in 2008 (did you think they would not?? ), would have to champion another clone. They did. His name turned out to be "John McCain." Oh! It could had been Mitt RomGeorge, or Mike HuckaBush, or Fred ThompWalker, or even Rudy Dubyani. Not much separates their views either. The only Republican to choose from with any major differences from George Walker Bush would had been Ron Paul. But Paul was ostracized by the other candidates. He wasn't part of the good'ol boy clone club.;)!;)!;)!

[inthebox]

Or in 08 it could be Barack "Jimmy Carter" Obama


Even TIME notes the similarities;

Of the two likely nominees this year, Obama is closest to Carter in background and policy leanings. The parallels between his campaign so far and the one Carter ran in 1976 are striking. Like Carter, Obama had little national experience when he started to run. Neither was given much chance of winning the nomination. Instead of running on a detailed platform, Carter told crowds that what Washington needed was "a government as good as its people"—just as Obama promises "change we can believe in." Carter's message sold well after Richard Nixon's disgrace, and press accounts from the time suggest that people found the born-again Carter to be charismatic. That parallel is a promising one for Obama.

[BABRAM]

Or in 08 it could be Barack "Jimmy Carter" Obama


even TIME notes the similarities;

Barack Carter the humanitarian vs. McSame Iraqi war? Carter was weak on economics with the double digit inflation, but our nation currently is suffering under Dubya. McCain will just keep up his policies, perhaps worse. McCain even admits he's weak on economics. Give me Jimmy and the Billy Beer, every time!