[SkyGem]

Apropos cue cards up... rolling... and ACTION! And there goes the spin doctor again! Why does he have to go on the defensive to try to explain himself to Jewish voters in Florida? It must show they don't believe his answers about Jews to begin with! How many of those voters do you think actually believed his answers?

Political Radar: Obama on the Defensive Before Fla. Jewish Voters

[magprob]

Theatre (or theater, see spelling differences) (from French "théâtre", from Greek "theatron", θέατρον, meaning "place of seeing") is the branch of the performing arts defined as simply as what "occurs when one or more persons, isolated in time and/or space, present themselves to another or others."[1] By this broad definition, theatre has existed since the dawn of man, as a result of human tendency for story telling. Since its inception, theatre has come to take on many forms, often utilizing elements such as speech, gesture, music, dance, and spectacle, combining the other performing arts, often as well as the visual arts, into a single artistic form. Modern Western theatre is dominated by realism, although many other forms, including classical and experimental forms, as well as Eastern forms, are frequently performed.

[BABRAM]

He's campaigning for the general election and that includes Jews and topics that are important to Jewish communities in any State. Do you have a problem with Obama speaking to the Jewish community?? Does freedom of speech bother you?? Do you fear the Black man or the Jews?? To remind you, Obama has endured a barrage of false emails circulating throughout the US. Why? Because some divisive Gentiles, thank G-d not the majority of sensible people on this planet (or on this forum), attempted a smear campaign against Obama by claiming he was against Israel and was indeed a Muslim. Wrong on both accounts and outright lies. The Torah is filled with accounts of justice remedied by explanation. In fact our civil courts run on such a defense system. You really should read the articles you post instead of having thread after thread backfire on you. How do you like those bagels, Sky?? Enjoy Starbucks. :)

[tomder55]

Obama said he used to go by “Barry” but then as he got older he thought it was important to acknowledge the other side of his heritage.

Maybe he should change his name to Baruch .

All 3 candidates will be courting different constituencies. I for one am not thrilled that McCain is going to court La Raza.But that's politics.

Florida was a critical state in 2000 and 2004 and Jews in Florida, on average, are older than Jews in other states.

He can claim to be a friend of Israel all he wants to but he will have a hard time keeping the older American Jewish vote in his camp if he says he will deal with people who say they will wipe Israel off the map.
He has recently made comments that no one is suffering more than the Palestinian people;and he has said that Anti-Israeli terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah have legitimate claims. Obama appeared to hesitate when he was asked to name the United States' three closest allies during an NBC debate ;then listed the European Union, NATO and Japan. He added Israel after debate moderator Brian Williams prompted him. These are things that greatly concern the older Jewish voters in this country.

Also Obama made a strategic error in not spending time in Fla. During their primary. He made similar errors in other states he recently ignored that will hurt him if he is the nominee. Since he was not there to address them then yes ; probably the ugly net rumors about him gained a foot hold.

The NY Slimes put it this way :

“The people here, liberal people, will not vote for Obama because of his attitude towards Israel,” Ms. Weitz, 83, said, lingering over brunch.

“They're going to vote for McCain,” she said...


Because of a dispute over moving the date of the state's primary, Mr. Obama and the other Democratic candidates did not campaign in Florida. In his absence, novel and exotic rumors about Mr. Obama have flourished. Among many older Jews, and some younger ones, as well, he has become a conduit for Jewish anxiety about Israel, Iran, anti-Semitism and race.

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Florida was a key state in the last 2 Presidential elections . We already know that Fla Governor Crist is on McCain's short list for VPs .

[BABRAM]

He can claim to be a friend of Israel all he wants to but he will have a hard time keeping the older American Jewish vote in his camp if he says he will deal with people who say they will wipe Israel off the map.
He has recently made comments that no one is suffering more than the Palestinian people;and he has said that Anti-Israeli terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah have legitimate claims.

This is the kind of ignorance that fuels the Republican campaign. It's called "fear." The Palestinian people have suffered and suffered greatly because they've been mislead, mainly by her own leadership. Obama has said time and time again in concern of meeting with any group, violent radicals and extremists that is, that he has no imaginative notions, as the Republican party wants to paint his diplomacy. The very few points that any group, no matter how violently wrong they are for their actions, is but a starting point of diplomacy "Tom." I know that's new to your thinking because that dear old Uncle Dubya of the GOP hasn't open a foreign policy door in seven and half years. McCain has to become a diplomat as well at some point in career. His campaigning that he's a friend of Israel taking those silly little cameo photo ops as he wears a yarmulke at the Western Wall, doesn't fly with me. It just make Republicans feel warm and fuzzy on the inside while McCain's on vacation visiting the historic sites of Jerusalem. ;)

[tomder55]

Bobby ;all I'm doing here is repeating the comments of his audience in Fla. You can blame it on Republican attack machines all you want and still not address their concerns .

I am very aware of diplomacy and it's strengths and weaknesses. WE have seen the effectiveness of good diplomacy time and time again in the Israeli -Palestinian conflict... right ?

[excon]

WE have seen the effectiveness of good diplomacy time and time again in the Israeli -Palestinian conflict .........right ?

Hello:

More evidence that the right wing believes that it's diplomacy coming out of their gun barrels.

excon

[tomder55]

OK then tell me EXCON where diplomacy has been effective and hasn't meant a series of Israeli concessions followed by more demands and violence ?

[excon]

Hello tom:

Uhhhh, the peace treaty with Egypt, for starters...

excon

[tomder55]

I was clearly talking about Israeli-Palestinian negotiations.

[spitvenom]

Here you go sky, Even Clintons own backers are calling her desperate
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[excon]

And there goes the spin doctor again! Why does he have to go on the defensive to try to explain himself to Jewish voters in Florida?

Hello again, Sky:

You remember those emails you sent out to Jewish voters?? The one's where you said he was a Muslim. The one's where you used his middle name exclusively. The one's where you said he never puts his hand over his heart when he says the pledge. The ones where you say he's unpatriotic, and loves terrorists...

Those emails??

Well, when you're attacked, you defend yourself. That's why he's on the "defensive". If you were lied about, wouldn't you want to explain??

Nahhh, splaining is a weakness to the likes of you. I don't know why, but you're kind of strange to begin with.

excon

[SkyGem]

Hello again, Sky:

You remember those emails you sent out to Jewish voters??? The one's where you said he was a Muslim. The one's where you used his middle name exclusively. The one's where you said he never puts his hand over his heart when he says the pledge. The ones where you say he's unpatriotic, and loves terrorists...

Those emails?????

What's the matter with your head, excon??! Been hitting the bottle again??
It must have been you who sent out the e-mails you are talking about! The stuff that you name has been all over the news and discussed by plenty of people except you're still trying to find a way to defend his actions even though the people of Florida are raking him through the coals for it and btw he's really squirming now! Instead of spouting off craziness as usual, why don't you go and talk to those Florida people and straighten things out for him and be a real hero!

Well, when you're attacked, you defend yourself. That's why he's on the "defensive". If you were lied about, wouldn't you want to explain???

Lied about what? Don't you think the Jewish community in Florida knows what they're talking about?! Do you think they're that uninformed about their issues?!

Nahhh, splaining is a weakness to the likes of you. I dunno why, but you're kinda strange to begin with.

excon

Yes, I can see why you'd see me in that light when compared to the likes of you. I'm not one of your birds of a feather type to hang around you. :)

[magprob]

Jewish Super-Delegates is the only Jewish vote that really matters. I think they will vote for Hellary.

[excon]

Instead of spouting off craziness as usual, why don't you go and talk to those Florida people and straighten things out for him and be a real hero!

Hello again, Sky:

Craziness?? You really haven't been paying attention.

I don't need to straighten "those Florida people" out, because I AM one of those Florida people, cepting I don't live in Florida. Fact is, Obama has about 67% of the of old fart Jewish vote (of which I'm happily a member).

Hero?? Yes, I am, thanks.

excon

[SkyGem]

You really should read the articles you post instead of having thread after thread backfire on you. How do you like those bagels, Sky??? Enjoy Starbucks. :)

The articles of news and public interest are not generated by me, FYI. It breaks as news as stuff goes down. I know you are incapable of realizing that, especially in your present state of love with Obama, however. And since when do they backfire? Oh, yeah, whenever you don't like what's being said about your guy! :D You need to think more clearly, Babbles, I'm afraid that walking lock-step with BO every time is going to further reduce what little credibility you have left. Or do you think you're so prelapsarian? Enjoy your Starbucks! :)

[excon]

Hello again, Sky:

Bobby's a Jew too.. Why would you think he'd be prelapsarian? He's not waiting for the rapture.

Yeah, I looked it up.

excon

[spitvenom]

I don't know why people keep arguing with this closet racist I have said it before and I will say it again and again and again and again and again skygem is a closet racist Just like my grandparents. I swear sky gem is my grandmother. She is a closet racist also. She won't vote for Barack because he is "too Young" but she voted for JFK. JFK was younger the Obama. I pointed that out to her. Then she finally said it cause he is black. And I said that's all you had to say grandma. So come on Sky gem just say it. Are you telling me a 90 year old lady has more b@lls then you?

[SkyGem]

All 3 candidates will be courting different constituencies. I for one am not thrilled that McCain is going to court La Raza.But that's politics.

Just curious about this one, Tom, why don't you think he should court them?

He can claim to be a friend of Israel all he wants to but he will have a hard time keeping the older American Jewish vote in his camp if he says he will deal with people who say they will wipe Israel off the map.

Exactly! Now, if good-minded people would only take this to heart!

He has recently made comments that no one is suffering more than the Palestinian people;and he has said that Anti-Israeli terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah have legitimate claims.

Umm, sure sounds like Pro-Palestine to me and many others, can't see how it could get any closer! You're either Pro-Israel or not. There's no middle way to try to explain your support for the country when you come out so in favor of Palestine.

Obama appeared to hesitate when he was asked to name the United States' three closest allies during an NBC debate ;then listed the European Union, NATO and Japan. He added Israel after debate moderator Brian Williams prompted him.

Thus, he needed the "cue cards" mentioned earlier! And can you only imagine this "Pro-Israel" candidate FORGETTING to mention Israel?! That must have played really well for the Jewish people who were counting on him knowing this, huh! Guess we know the real story now despite the continuous spin to the contrary in an effort to minimize the damage done! This kind of thing has to be an affront to the Jewish people to not be mentioned as an ally without being given cue cards. What in the world was he thinking in an important election year?!

These are things that greatly concern the older Jewish voters in this country.

As well they should!

Also Obama made a strategic error in not spending time in Fla. during their primary. He made simular errors in other states he recently ignored that will hurt him if he is the nominee.

Rebuffing an important state, especially several states, will most certainly come back to haunt him later on. People do not forget who did and who did not come to visit them and thus support them and will respond accordingly when they are at the ballot box. Don't be surprised if Florida and other states go to McCain or people just stay home in apathy due to Obama's indifference in feelings towards them.

[tomder55]

Just curious about this one, Tom, why don't you think he should court them?

(La Raza )

La Raza bills itself as a civil rights organization,but the group's name literally means "The Race."They are an organization who's sub membership includes groups like MEChA, one of the most racist anti-U.S groups in the country. Plainly put ;they are reconquistas .Accordingly Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington State make up an area known as "Aztlan" ;a fictional ancestral homeland of the Aztecs before Europeans arrived .Their goal is to take it back from the US

Their founding principles are found in the preamble of "El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan" (The Spiritual Plan for Aztlan):

"

In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.. . Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans.. . We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada."

El Plan de Aztlan

"For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing."
Although they are not the only group in this Rotary Club of Hispanic organizations called La Raza ;they have been the one that has steered much of the Hispanic activism recently .

For McCain to go there is consistent with his overall immigration policy ;which when you strip away the lies he told Conservatives about border enforcement first ;is no different than the open border ;general amnesty policies of the Democrats .