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  • Nov 13, 2006, 10:04 AM
    JDOP
    Hold on, move on, or both?
    Hi all, obviously, my problem is about a woman. We broke up to weeks ago. The main reason (she said) was that she didn’t believe in a future for us anymore. We have been a couple for 18 months. The last couple of weeks of our relationship we had a lot of fights. I almost always started the fight because I felt I didn’t see her as much as I’d liked to and because I felt she didn’t make enough efforts to be together with me. So we broke up after a fight one night, got back together for a week and one week later she broke up with me again “because she didn’t know if she really wanted a future with me”. I cried, she cried, we hugged and finally said goodbye. When I asked her if this break-up was definite, she said she didn’t know. My main problem is that I want her back. Now that I have time to think it all over I know what the problem in our relationship was: she’s 3 years younger than me (19) and doesn’t want to commit to a relationship to the same level I do. I wanted to move on faster than her and had all kind of plans in my head that she wasn’t ready for. After all, I recently started working while she is still a student. Now I realize that I have put too much pressure on her by always wanting to be together with her. I told her this in a letter and she agreed with me. The problem is that now I realize these problems and I’m willing to change and give her more time and space etc. I never even thought of the possibility of us ever separating because we loved each other unconditionaly, I thought. We’ve been through a lot and we always managed to work it out. She said she still loves me but she’s not in love with me anymore like she used to be. She also said she wanted to keep in contact with me and has called me a couple of times since we broke up. The first days I begged a little and acted a little bit pathetic but ever since I managed to stop myself from trying to “convince” her or even talk about the relationship. The night I wrote her that letter she called me in tears and said she was sad because of the way things are going. Of course I interpreted this as hope. For the last week I didn’t seek contact with her and I didn’t hear much from her except some “casual” messages to hear how I’m doing. I’ve let her know (in the letter) that I still love her and want her back but that it’s going to take a lot of time for both of us to figure everything out.
    Actually I already know what all your answers are going to be: to move on with my life and to forget about her. However, she is in my head 24-7. I can’t think of anything else. I’m completely fixated on the question: “will I get her back?”. Sometimes I think that I should let go and that everything is already said and done between us. That there is nothing in this world that will fix the love we had. That I am just reading in between lines and that my hope is false hope. Another part of me is saying that I’m being too pessimistic. That we both just need time and space to figure this out. That it is not a definite break-up.
    The little voice in my head that says I have to let her go is killing me. The other (more quiet) voice that says I have to hold on is killing me too because it doesn’t help me to hold on to hope. I don’t know what to do or think anymore. I wish I could look at it from a distance but I just can’t because I miss her too much.
    Can anyone offer me some advice please? Is there a realistic chance of getting back together and how?
  • Nov 13, 2006, 01:51 PM
    Geoffersonairplane
    Hi,

    Sorry to hear about the pain you are going through at the moment, I know it only too well, I am 10 weeks post breakup and have gone through all the motions you are going through over and over and over and still going over but it gets better with time...

    O.K here goes...

    Firstly, I notice your question being asked as "hold on, move on, or both?". This is a very contradictory question, since you cannot move on if you are still holding on, and letting go is part of the process of moving on! You need to understand this before you can begin to work on moving on..

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JDOP
    My main problem is that I want her back. Now that I have time to think it all over I know what the problem in our relationship was: she's 3 years younger than me (19) and doesn't want to commit to a relationship to the same level I do.

    It sure is your main problem, because until you realise that this relationship is over, at least for now (but possibly for good) you will not be able to move on. You pointed out that she is only 19 and you are 22. You are both way too young to commit to a serious relationship at this time. She needs to experiment and date other men at this time and you need to date other women. Sorry if this hurts but I know the situation you are in. Read my thread https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/relati...elp-39548.html for my own story! Point is, you need to let go and realise that she is not ready for the kind of commitment that you FEEL you are ready for.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JDOP
    The first days I begged a little and acted a little bit pathetic but ever since I managed to stop myself from trying to “convince” her or even talk about the relationship.

    I can't blame you for doing this, I did this also at the very early stage and it is understandable given the feelings you most definitely have for this woman. Truth is though, it did not do you any favours and would have reinforced her decision to walk!

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JDOP
    Now I realize that I have put to much pressure on her by always wanting to be together with her. I told her this in a letter and she agreed with me. The problem is that now I realize these problems and I'm willing to change and give her more time and space etc.

    It is good that you recognise where it is you went wrong. You were too available to her and unfortunately, by doing this, you were actually pushing her away during the relationship, making her your life and perhaps being a little needy. Even though you did not want to come across in this way, this is how it would have been interpreted by her. It is a smothering situation to be around your partner too much or talk to them on the phone too much. You need to work on yourself, making steps to improve yourself. Trying to get her back and put things right immediately is an illusion driven by your intense need to have her back in your life. Just because you recognise the problem does not mean you can put it right without making improvements to yourself first. You need to create a healthy life now without her and show her, as well as yourself that you can live a life without her..

    How do you do this? You'll hear it a lot in this forum from others and this is NO CONTACT! Oh. But I must point out that No Contact is a time for you to work on yourself i.e. go to the gym, work hard, study, whatever.. It should not be viewed as a means of getting her back. I was making this mistake but I got put right on this one by a few wise fellows.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JDOP
    Actually I already know what all your answers are going to be: to move on with my life and to forget about her. However, she is in my head 24-7. I can't think of anything else. I'm completely fixated on the question: “will I get her back?”. I don't know what to do or think anymore.Can anyone offer me some advice please? Is there a realistic chance of getting back together and how?

    She will be in your head 24-7 for quite some time to come. This is a huge loss for you! What you must do now to help yourself heal from this loss is to:

    1.) Maintain NO CONTACT -- NO LETTERS, E-MAILS, PHONE CALLS, TEXTS, NOTHING!

    2.) Keep yourself busy, go to the gym, take up an old hobby, spend time with friends and relatives, whatever.. Try to avoid alcohol where possible (it won't help)

    3.)Try not to dwell on the past too much, focus on what you can do for yourself to improve you, as a person. Perhaps you have lost part of who you were before you met her. Try to establish what this was and get it back.

    Is there a realistic chance of getting back together? Anything is possible but the only way it could ever happen is for you to MOVE ON and find a life without her.. Accept that she is gone! Chasing and telling her that things will change will not work. Believe me, I know it won't, others on here have done it and I have too! Does not work like this!

    Whenever you need any advice or you are feeling down, come on here and talk, believe me these guys and gals offer great advice and they have helped me immensely and they will help you too!

    I wish you well and hope that your healing starts soon!
  • Nov 13, 2006, 02:58 PM
    JDOP
    Thx a lot for your advise, I feel a lot better already. I agree with everything you say. I know now that "needing" somebody isn't the same as "loving" somebody. I need time to figure everything out. The problem is that she expects me to call. The last thing I want to do is piss her off and drive her even further away from me because - although- I know chances are thin- I still want her back on the long term.
  • Nov 13, 2006, 03:05 PM
    Geoffersonairplane
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JDOP
    Thx a lot for your advise, i feel a lot better already. I agree with everything you say. I know now that "needing" somebody isn't the same as "loving" somebody. I need time to figure everything out. The problem is that she expects me to call. The last thing I wanna do is piss her off and drive her even further away from me because - although- I know chances are thin- I still want her back on the long term.


    Good, you are ALREADY making positive steps in understanding what it is you must do! There will be ups and downs but many people here will be willing to help you through this!

    Chin Up!
  • Nov 13, 2006, 03:27 PM
    JDOP
    Just to realize what it is I must do does not make it easier. The only reason I'm going to do as I said (no contact etc) is because I think it will increase my chances of getting her back. Is it wrong to think like that? Thanks
  • Nov 13, 2006, 03:29 PM
    MJ6216
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JDOP
    just to realize what it is I must do does not make it easier. The only reason I'm going to do as I said (no contact etc) is because I think it will increase my chances of getting her back. Is it wrong to think like that? thx

    No its not wrong to think like that... but you also have to keep in the back of your mind she might not come back... go on with your normal life and if you run into her somewhere a simple hi and bye will do... and she will realize after a while "WHAT DID I LET GO OF"
  • Nov 13, 2006, 03:34 PM
    Geoffersonairplane
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JDOP
    just to realize what it is I must do does not make it easier. The only reason I'm going to do as I said (no contact etc) is because I think it will increase my chances of getting her back. Is it wrong to think like that? thx

    YES...

    Very, Very wrong and although you are more likely to get her back in reality if you give her the space she needs, it is very unhealthy for you to think like this at this stage!

    I held onto this and believe me you are thinking like this (understandably after only 2 weeks), unlogically. I understand you want her back man! Believe me, I understand, but No contact alone is not going to bring her back..

    Given some more time, and more advice, you will learn that there are deeper reasons for No Contact!

    If you contact her, you will push her further away guaranteed. The hardest thing you will need to come to terms with is the fact that she may never, ever be back and that is not a reflection of you but a great possibility...

    It's all so fresh at the moment and in time (IN TIME) you will begin to understand this more!

    Anything you want to ask or if you get to the point where you think you are going to contact her, please come on here and talk to whoever before you do something you may regret!
  • Nov 13, 2006, 03:38 PM
    JDOP
    So what you're actually saying is that the best chance of getting her back is to not try. Maybe you're right but when I say it out loud my brain gets a short circuit.
  • Nov 13, 2006, 03:48 PM
    Geoffersonairplane
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MJ6216
    NO ITS NOT WRONG TO THINK LIKE THAT...BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO KEEP IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND SHE MIGHT NOT COME BACK...GO ON WITH YOUR NORMAL LIFE AND IF YOU RUN INTO HER SOMEWHERE A SIMPLE HI AND BYE WILL DO...AND SHE WILL REALIZE AFTER A WHILE "WHAT DID I LET GO OF"

    It is understandable that you feel like that but wrong in terms of unhealthy for your healing process to begin..

    There is nothing wrong about what you are feeling but there are steps to be taken for you to begin to move on but these will take time... 2 Weeks is nothing and you have a long way to go and you will take as long as you need as an individual..

    There are no time limits...

    Like I say, I am 10 weeks post breakup and have come a long way, definitely not there yet.. I was in love with my ex and was crushed by what happened but believe me, things will get better!!
  • Nov 13, 2006, 04:28 PM
    Geoffersonairplane
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JDOP
    so what you're actually saying is that the best chance of getting her back is to not try. Maybe you're right but when I say it out loud my brain gets a short circuit.


    The best thing you can do is forget about getting her back!

    I KNOW IT IS HARD!! I REALLY DO UNDERSTAND!

    You need to take some time out to think about what I said in my first response... I did this with all the responses I got in my thread..

    Eventually, I started to see the logic in what people were saying..

    Do you know what? I have got more good advice on here than anywhere else in my life, relatives or friends because my situation was viewed from people who were giving a critical opinion which was not biased in any way but a true reflection of what they saw based on what I told them..

    So what I am saying is you need to stand back, try and look at the bigger picture, but it is going to be hard at this stage because you are still at the point of thinking you want her back and nothing else will seem like an option..

    I was like that, sometimes I still am, only 10 weeks for me remember but I find myself slipping less into the "will she come back" but more into the "would I really want her back" and believe me I loved my ex, I really did!.

    You will get through it... Anything else you want to ask, go ahead..

    I am hoping some other folks will step in here and help you to give you a new perspective on things..
  • Nov 13, 2006, 04:34 PM
    Geoffersonairplane
    Also,

    Please remember or understand that:

    If you love someone, I mean truly love them, then letting them go is a true measure of the love you have for them if that is what is best for them whether you feel it is or not.

    I'm sure you know all of this, you just need a little reminding in this difficult time..
  • Nov 13, 2006, 05:21 PM
    s_cianci
    I think you've hit it on the head with admitting that you moved way too fast and pushed her too hard, etc. I don't honestly know what the odds are of you getting back together but I wouldn't bank on it. Live your life as though you aren't going to get back together. Get busy and involved with things now while you're on your own and not with anybody. It sounds to me like you're an overly needy person and that usually comes from boredom and having too much time on your hands. Get involved with your career, your education, your friends. Join a club or a gym. Do volunteer work. The list of possibilities goes on and on.
  • Nov 14, 2006, 03:26 AM
    JDOP
    I agree with whatall you guys are saying and I'm going to leave it be for a while. Try and get this whole thing out of my head. It's probably easier said then done because I'm thinking about it all of the time. The problem is that I still have sort of a masterplan in my head you know. A plan to get her back. I now it's not the way to go but it's the only way to cope with it for now: the knowledge that it's not impossible to get back together, although I know that it may never happen.
    I read this quote: "Do not worry about things falling into place, where they fall, is the right place."
    I know it's true, but then again, for now, for me, the only right place is her by my side.
    I have also a question about the no contact thing. I'm not going to contact her or anything for a while now, but what is a while: enough time to stop needing her? To stop wanting her? Or enough to stop loving her?
    Grtz
  • Nov 14, 2006, 03:41 AM
    wap
    My heart goes out to you. It is one of the most difficult things to get over, I know, I am still trying to get over it. You just have to take each day as it comes, but plan things to look forward to : ) Set yourself some goals. Even if it is just to look after yourself. When I think of everything I have done since my ex finished it, it is quite a lot : ) I know someone who lost 3 stone, was drinking all the time etc when her fiancé left her. I decided I was not going to be like this, I was going to take control of my own life, when it happened to me. You do become stronger, and it will take time, do not beat yourself up over anything, the way you feel or deal with things. It is a natural way to get through things.
  • Nov 14, 2006, 05:20 AM
    Geoffersonairplane
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JDOP
    I have also a question about the no contact thing. I'm not gonna contact her or anything for a while now, but what is a while: enough time to stop needing her? to stop wanting her? or enough to stop loving her?
    grtz

    No contact is for you only. I know what you are thinking, "if I don't contact her, she will miss me, she will wonder and wonder". The truth is, Yes, that is a possibility and it will be respecting her need for space, so a wise move. No contact though really should be just about you, making improvements for you and you alone.

    I spent ages thinking like that and have come to the realisation that my ex won't be back and believe me, if you read my thread, you will see that I am not much different to you in terms of how I treated her. I just met her at the wrong time in her life.

    To answer your question but I don't think you should think too much about this, you should maintain No Contact for 2 - 3 months but don't expect her to be calling you after this time. Also, don't contact her after the 2 - 3 months has passed. By the time this has passed, things will be clearer, you will still hurt for sure, but not as much.

    The more time that passes, you may even decide that you don't want her back, maybe...

    I notice you said in your recent response "but what is a while: enough time to stop needing her?"

    This is part of the problem as to why you broke up and something you need to work on while you have No Contact. You should not Need her in your life in order to make your life complete. Wanting and Needing are two very different things. By adjusting your life and occupying yourself with different activities and different people, you will be taking a big step in changing this idea of Needing...

    I know what it is like to lose part of who you are because you become too attached to that one person who you thought you were going to spend the rest of your life with..

    Things can only get better!
  • Nov 14, 2006, 07:04 AM
    JDOP
    I figure that I'm not over her yet at all and that before I am over her or at least stop needing her, I can't even begin to dream of wanting her back.
    I'm not sure about the no contact stuff actually. We always had a very open relationship. I mean we told each other everything. Maybe it's just better to tell her that I'm not over her and that I'm not going to be over her in a while so she just has to take it easy on me.
  • Nov 14, 2006, 07:12 AM
    Geoffersonairplane
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JDOP
    I figure that I'm not over her yet at all and that before I am over her or at least stop needing her, I can't even begin to dream of wanting her back.
    I'm not sure about hte no contact stuff actually. We always had a very open relationship. I mean we told eachother everything. Maybe it's just better to tell her that I'm not over her and that I'm not gonna be over her in a while so she just has to take it easy on me.

    JDOP, I had a very open relationship with my ex, I spent 3 years with her, was engaged, she told me everything and I did to her. Most if not all people on this forum giving you advice will most likely say the same thing. You just FEEL that your relationship was somewhat different than anyone else's, somewhat more SPECIAL..

    You know what, it was not.

    It was special... Special to you, but no different to many other thousands of relationships that break up every day...

    I don't mean to sound like I'm downgrading what you had or what you are going through but what I'm trying to do is put this into perspective for you. By telling her now that you are not over her and you won't be for some time is going to give her the idea that she can have you whenever she wants, that she has got you as a backup in case things don't work out with what she is doing now.

    I know you want her back mate, I really understand but telling her this will make things twice as bad and will also leave you feeling worse too...
  • Nov 14, 2006, 07:23 AM
    ballybee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JDOP
    Hi all, obviously, my problem is about a woman. We broke up to weeks ago. The main reason (she said) was that she didn’t believe in a future for us anymore. We have been a couple for 18 months. The last couple of weeks of our relationship we had a lot of fights. I almost always started the fight because I felt I didn’t see her as much as I’d liked to and because I felt she didn’t make enough efforts to be together with me. So we broke up after a fight one night, got back together for a week and one week later she broke up with me again “because she didn’t know if she really wanted a future with me”. I cried, she cried, we hugged and finally said goodbye. When I asked her if this break-up was definite, she said she didn’t know. My main problem is that I want her back. Now that I have time to think it all over I know what the problem in our relationship was: she’s 3 years younger than me (19) and doesn’t want to commit to a relationship to the same level I do. I wanted to move on faster than her and had all kind of plans in my head that she wasn’t ready for. After all, I recently started working while she is still a student. Now I realize that I have put to much pressure on her by always wanting to be together with her. I told her this in a letter and she agreed with me. The problem is that now I realize these problems and I’m willing to change and give her more time and space etc. I never even thought of the possibility of us ever separating because we loved eachother unconditionaly, I thought. We’ve been through a lot and we always managed to work it out. She said she still loves me but she’s not in love with me anymore like she used to be. She also said she wanted to keep in contact with me and has called me a couple of times since we broke up. The first days I begged a little and acted a little bit pathetic but ever since I managed to stop myself from trying to “convince” her or even talk about the relationship. The night I wrote her that letter she called me in tears and said she was sad because of the way things are going. Of course I interpreted this as hope. For the last week I didn’t seek contact with her and I didn’t hear much from her except some “casual” messages to hear how I’m doing. I’ve let her know (in the letter) that I still love her and want her back but that it’s gonna take a lot of time for both of us to figure everything out.
    Actually I already know what all your answers are going to be: to move on with my life and to forget about her. However, she is in my head 24-7. I can’t think of anything else. I’m completely fixated on the question: “will I get her back?”. Sometimes I think that I should let go and that everything is already said and done between us. That there is nothing in this world that will fix the love we had. That I am just reading in between lines and that my hope is false hope. Another part of me is saying that I’m being too pessimistic. That we both just need time and space to figure this out. That it is not a definite break-up.
    The little voice in my head that says I have to let her go is killing me. The other (more quiet) voice that says I have to hold on is killing me too because it doesn’t help me to hold on to hope. I don’t know what to do or think anymore. I wish I could look at it from a distance but I just can’t because I miss her too much.
    Can anyone offer me some advice please? Is there a realistic chance of getting back together and how?

    you know what... it appears that the two of you are in a very close environment.. take a holiday or find some relief work to do somewhere in Darfur or something... it will soothe your pain and give you a sense of self-value and independence.. because you will be unconsciously force to use your brain resources for something else
  • Nov 14, 2006, 07:56 AM
    JDOP
    Just the thought that she is never going to say back "I love you" anymore makes me want to jump of a cliff. I've managed to keep my cool over the last week but there are times, like right now, that I feel I can't handle it anymore
  • Nov 14, 2006, 08:08 AM
    Geoffersonairplane
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JDOP
    just the thought that she is never going to say back "I love you" anymore makes me wanna jump of a cliff. I've managed to keep my cool over the last week but there are times, like right now, that I feel I can't handle it anymore

    You have got the strength to get through it. I am a sensitive kind of guy and I thought I could not get through it but I am making progress.

    And I know you can too.

    What are you doing to get your mind off it?
  • Nov 14, 2006, 08:27 AM
    wap
    It seems to be that keeping busy is the key. Do as much as you can to keep busy, even things that you wouldn't normally do. If I feel bad I feel better going to the gym and I have found this week, I just keep swimming up and down the pool to get rid of the feelings of sadness and frustration. It is also benefiting me physically as well as mentally. I know it sounds crazy, but it is either this or I break down.
  • Dec 10, 2006, 04:19 PM
    JDOP
    Do I still want her back
    Hey,
    I'm dealing with some serious pain right now and I would really appreciate some advice. I posted here about a month ago that my 1.5 yr girlfriend broke up with me, basically because I became too needy. We had little contact the first 3 weeks. When I asked her, is this a definite break-up, she always responded with things like "we'll see", "never say never" etc. Now it has been 3 weeks with no contact whatsoever, although I said I would like to keep in touch with her (I changed my mind). Now I hear (there's rumours everywhere) that she has slept with her former ex (the guy before me). I mean this guy is the prototype of a jerk. When she broke up with him, He practically stalked her for a half a year. He cheated on her and generally has no respect for women. So when I heard this rumour I didn't believe it at first. I would rather believe that the pope isn't a catholic. I knew her. And it is the last thing I would have expected her to do. Moreover, this ex was also I a one year relationship with a girl and the second he knew I was dumped he also broke up with her. Don't these people realize the emotional damage they conflict on two other people? It is like she has become another person. Even now I find these rumours very very hard to believe (although they come from reliable source) because I never thought she was the kind of person to do these kind of things. I'm not sure if I would want her back now even if could get her back. I'm guessing this is all some kind of a rebound thing but hey, why do you have to make this so painful for the people you leave behind? Isn't she ashamed of herself? Doesn't she realise that what she is doing is essentially wrong? Has she no respect for me at all? The fact that I have to hear about this kind of **** from other people speaks for itself
  • Dec 10, 2006, 05:15 PM
    Saintas
    I have now a second taught about her cry when you send a letter . I thing the rumors are true .The fact you not recognize her anymore prove that you never now this girl really.
    To respond to your previous question Now : Move on !
    Don't try to think about her actions anymore . You will not reach at any conclusion .
    Consider this chapter close to you .I now it is hard to do so but it is the best way to do.
    Even if you will going together in future ,the things will never be the same for YOU.
    The doubts will chase you all the time .Try to have time with your family, with your friends and try to heal you .Cut all the contact with her , is not warted
  • Dec 10, 2006, 10:24 PM
    talaniman
    Be a good time to end all the confusion by cutting her out of your life and move on. Get a life that does not include her and be happy that its over.
  • Dec 11, 2006, 01:32 AM
    JDOP
    I already have a life that doesn't include her. I thought I was doing fine, until I heard about this. I haven't slept all night thinking about her having sex with that jerk. I mean this was the last thing I thought was going to happen. They practically hated each other. I stilll love her, but now I realize I am not loved back anymore. Otherwise she wouldn't be sleeping with another guy. I feel so hurt though. How is it possible that somebody this sweet can turn into sombody this cold? I thought I knew her better than myself. That's why it is so hard to believe all of this. I just don't understand. Why, for the love of god did she had to do this?
  • Dec 11, 2006, 03:55 AM
    wap
    Hiya,

    Ex's behave in a strange way. What makes it so hard for us, is we still see this as the same person we were with, who loved us etc. We cannot understand why they would do so many things to hurt us.

    It was best that this person did not tell you that information if you ask me, you didn't need to know it right now. It was a stupid thing to do. Well, you know now, you can take a positive from this, and just think you are worth more than that. As she would cheat on you if you were together again probably.

    The signs are all there that it wouldn't work if you got back together. Try to put these thoughts out of your mind. I know I dread the day I find out my ex is with someone else. That is the ultimate torture, it is like being kicked when you are already down.

    I know you already have a life, just try to keep going with positive thoughts and do positive things. There is nothing else for it, I am finding that as well.
  • Dec 11, 2006, 04:17 AM
    SouthernBelle06
    I know what you mean wap. Finding out about the ex with someone else is a real risk you take when you choose to remain in touch or as a "friend" in hopes of a reconciliation with them. You may be secretly hoping that being nice to him will result in a reconciliation while the ex thinks, "this girl I used to date is my friend now, she's fine if I tell her about my new girlfriend." That's what happened to me. It was heartbreaking. I wasn't exactly his friend and he knew I wasn't prepared to be, but he kept emailing me anyway despite my asking him not to and stupid me would still read his emails hoping for signs that he wanted to reconcile. I would sometimes reply briefly and kindly just so he wouldn't think I was bitter or cared too much anymore and this is what I got in return... a freshly broken heart. Be very careful about contact with any ex you still care for. Ignorance is bliss when it comes to certain matters.
  • Dec 11, 2006, 05:58 AM
    JDOP
    I understand and I knew there would probably come a day that she has found a new love. You are not really sitting in my seat but this situation is completely absurd. The reason she left this guy (ohter than him treating her like ****) is because she fell in love with me (she didn't cheat on him though). And now they are back together. After she said numerous times that there was no chance at all for them getting back together. Absurd, that's what it is. I feel like I have been fooled 1.5 year. I can only see 2 explanations for her behaviour: 1. She felt lonely because I hadn't contacted her in 3 weeks (even though I said I would) she needed a friend to talk to, he was there and things happened. It was only a rebound.
    2. It wasn't a rebound, she fell in love with him again and had sex because they were in love. I hope the first possibility, I fear the latter one. The thing is that she probably wanted to keep it quiet and I don't think she even realizes that I know. In fact everybody knows. And everybody is as shocked as me. I really don't understand how she could do this. Anybody but him. And she could have waited a little longer. The message I am getting now is: "you mean nothing to me and you never did". That's just cruel and I really can't understand.
  • Dec 11, 2006, 06:43 AM
    talaniman
    JDOP- For your own good, stop worrying about why this, what if that, and all the other crap your letting go through your mind. There is no answers to your questions, and no what's to your whys. In other words let it go. I know after a month your whole belief system is topsy-turvy and I empathize, buy get off that stuff that has your mind racing for things you may never know and stop wasting your time with this Why?Why? Obsesion. Not good. The sooner you get over the shock, and move to the acceptance stage then the sooner you will be free to putting yourself back together. Sorry to be so harsh, NAW that's not right, the truth is that I already know that sitting on a pity pot gets you nowhere and is counter productive, and what's needed is POSITIVE ACTION on your part, and I know its confusing, and hurts a lot still but you do yourself a great disservice by dwelling and no action. BEEN HERE DONE THAT, so look forward and move forward. Get busy. The more it hurt, the more you work.
  • Dec 11, 2006, 06:58 AM
    JDOP
    off course you are completely right. I agree. But sometimes I think we need to be hurt in order to heal faster. I am wondering if I should call her and confront her with this. Not to win her back (off course) but to get it of my chest. I think that what she is doing is the lowest thing I can imagine. And I really would like to tell her that. Teach her some values like "respect". Actually I would really really like to know it all. Every disgusting detail. The more I get hurt, the faster I heal because I don't think I could ever forgive her this. I don't think of her as that sweet little blonde girl anymore, instead I think of her as a cold-hearted lying, backstabbing, labile and fake person. Maybe that's a good thing, but the hurt is almost unbearable
  • Dec 11, 2006, 07:11 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    But sometimes I think we need to be hurt in order to heal faster.
    Are you crazy or what? What part of positive is it you do not understand? The Negative energy you are stirring in you, will do you no good and can actually lead you down a wrong path, if you keep feeding into it. If all you can do is feel sorry for yourself, and stirring up crap you best leave alone, you will never heal. All this stuff is in your mind, and if you can't let it go then, THATS YOUR FAULT, NOT HERS!
  • Dec 11, 2006, 07:28 AM
    JDOP
    I don't want a reconcilliation, all I want is to tell her what she is
  • Dec 11, 2006, 07:42 AM
    Saintas
    Let's say maybe better this way : she don't deserve nothing, not talk ,not to tell anithing , not to call, no stalk, no simpaty from you, no friendship, no nothing.
    You deserve much, more, hapiness , a good soul near you to love you for what are you.
    Move on !
    It's hard but in the end is warted .
  • Dec 11, 2006, 07:51 AM
    JDOP
    The best way to describe how I feel right now is by quoting the dire straits:

    A lovestruck romeo sings a streetsus serenade
    Laying everybody low with me a lovesong that he made
    Finds a convenient streetlight steps out of the shade
    Says something like you and me babe how about it ?

    Juliet says hey its romeo you nearly gimme a heart attack
    Hes underneath the window she's singing hey la my boyfriends back
    You shouldn't come around here singing up at people like that
    Anyway what you going to do about it ?

    Juliet the dice were loaded from the start
    And I bet and you exploded in my heart
    And I forget the movie song
    When you want to realise it was just that the time was wrong juliet ?

    Come up on differents streets they both were streets of shame
    Both dirty both mean yes and the dream was just the same
    And I dreamed your dream for you and your dream is real
    How can you look at me as if I was just another one of your deals ?
    Where you can fall for chains of silver you can fall for chains of gold
    You can fall for pretty strangers and the promises they hold
    You promised me everything you promised me think and thin
    Now you just says oh romeo yeah you know I used to have a scene with him

    Juliet when we made love you used to cry
    You said I love you like the stars above Ill love you till I die
    There's a place for us you know the movie song
    When you going to realise it was just that the time was wrong juliet ?

    I can't do the talk like they talk on TV
    And I can't do a love song like the way its meant to be
    I can't do everything but Id do anything for you
    I can't do anything except be in love with you

    And all I do is miss you and the way we used to be
    All do is keep the beat and bad company
    All I do is kiss you through the bars of a rhyme
    Julie Id do the stars with you any time
  • Dec 11, 2006, 09:00 AM
    valinors_sorrow
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JDOP
    I don't want a reconcilliation, all I want is to tell her what she is

    It isn't her that needs the telling, it's the part of you that is still shocked and in disbelief. And that is understandable too. Consider if you did tell her, she'll only deny it-- you'll both have a fast and furious game of "who can stick the blame." A pointless endeavor, really! I guarantee you'll walk away as unfinished as before with even more reason to dislike her. The fact is, you got fooled by someone somehow here. Either she did it to you and wasn't the person you thought she was or you did it to you and envisioned her as far more changed (ie, beyond the reach of her ex) than she really was. Or maybe a bit of both. Love has a way of making us look at others inaccurately sometimes.

    If I were you, I would be using this painful time to consider carefully which one it was and then take appropriate measures to see if you can guard against that occurring again. But I'll bet you none of those measures will require any kind of "face off" with her, the one who hurt you so badly. Learn the lesson, save the cheerleader, ermm, I mean save yourself a lot of heartache down the road getting another dose of it. My condolences for your loss of the relationship and of your innocent view of love both -- one you can't do a thing about, the other you can make into something constructive like Tal has been suggesting to you, okay? :)
  • Dec 11, 2006, 09:17 AM
    JDOP
    the weird thing is that everybody acts like this is something normal going on. Am I being a naïve boy by still believing in values like politeness and respect? Is it normal to dump somebody after 1.5 yr without even giving a proper reason and then after a month have sex with somebody you said you would never have sex with? I spoke to the ex girlfriend of the jerk yesterday and she is also completely devastated by it. If I would be in the shoes of my ex I would be very ashamed. There are words to describe people who act like that.
  • Dec 11, 2006, 09:27 AM
    Geoffersonairplane
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by valinors_sorrow
    The fact is, you got fooled by someone somehow here. Either she did it to you and wasn't the person you thought she was or you did it to you and envisioned her as far more changed (ie, beyond the reach of her ex) than she really was. Or maybe a bit of both. Love has a way of making us look at others inaccurately sometimes.

    I completely agree,

    Love does blind us and we judge people inaccurately. I'm not sure about you JDOP, maybe it was a bit of both as referenced above from Val.

    It does not make sense why she chose to do what she did with the kind of person you describe her ex to be. People make strange choices in life and sometimes become a victim of their poor decisions. She may have her regrets JDOP. You sound like a sincere person and she probably will regret giving that up.

    The thing is though, you need to let this go, and consider her gone forever. This is not poor reflection of who you are, rather a negative person of who she is and not what you thought she was. The way you must look at this JDOP is that she was not a suitable candidate for a relationship with you. You deserve better and you will find better. You now my situation JDOP and I thank you for your help too!! But I am no different, I go through the motions too, I completely understand why you are feeling the way you are.

    You must be strong and pull yourself together again. I know this is a set-back for you but you will get through it. I know you will but don't continue to analyze why she made her decisions as this is negative and you need to change all your behavior to positive again.

    Like Skell told me a month or so ago, there will be many ups and downs for me and he was so right. There will be some for you too JDOP but you will get through it an be a much stronger person because of it..
  • Dec 11, 2006, 09:28 AM
    wap
    People do some strange things, you just have to try and draw a line for yourself and say, the ex isn't my problem anymore. If they go off the rails that will only end in someone getting hurt, it might be them. It is crazy how people leave a trail of destruction behind them isn't it?

    I can tell you are angry, mad and hurt. It is OK to be all of these things. I have not really been angry that much, that is my problem. I am hurt all the time. If I was angry it might help me. I just have to turn to something to do when I feel any of these feelings. Otherwise, I would just break down in tears every time and I know this won't help me, why should I be in tears over someone who doesn't care about me?
    God knows what would have happened if I hadn't deleted his no.

    This is why I am at the gym and the swimming, and on this site so much. You will have so many questions in your head, I know I do, as my ex wouldn't have the decency to talk to me now, or even at the time. It screws you up big time, all you can do is try to stay strong for yourself. I have been told time heals and we will get there in the end.
  • Dec 11, 2006, 09:37 AM
    JDOP
    The only positive thing that I can think of right now is that I KNOW this guy is a jerk and that the whole thing is probably a rebound situation that will end soon anyway, anyhow. The feeling that I know that SHE is making mistakes (because this IS a serious mistake) while I'm healing, is making me feel a little bit better. I sincerely hope that she will pay the price for it later and that she will feel as I feel now. On the other hand, you are right, I am hurting a lot. It's like I am permanently being punched in stomach.
  • Dec 11, 2006, 09:48 AM
    Geoffersonairplane
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JDOP
    The only positive thing that I can think of right now is that I KNOW this guy is a jerk and that the whole thing is probably a rebound situation that will end soon anyway, anyhow. The feeling that I know that SHE is making mistakes (because this IS a serious mistake) while I'm healing, is making me feel a little bit better. I sincerely hope that she will pay the price for it later and that she will feel as I feel now. On the other hand, you are right, I am hurting a lot. It's like I am permanently being punched in stomach.


    Hi JDOP,

    She will feel the pain, it will hit home but you should not wish it to happen. I understand though why you are saying it. You resent her.. Actually JDOP, after my recent mistake, I felt this way to..

    HUGE RESENTMENT over the weekend.. Luckily, I just kept myself to myself and spent the weekend at my sister's house and did not contact her.

    Felt like it though LOL..

    Try and carry the love with you and use it to become a stronger person. Thank her for the fact that without her, you would not have felt the love you did for her.

    One thing I have been doing over the past couple of days is trying to find a way to get through the anger. I thank my ex for allowing me to discover what love can be and I know that eventually I will find it again, but maybe with someone who is ready for it too.

    JDOP, you will find what you want again, for now just focus on your recovery and love will find you again. Let go of this woman and realise that her mistakes are HER'S, not yours.

    All the best!

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