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  • Jun 22, 2006, 06:36 PM
    Myth
    Cheating??
    I have a friend back home that called me earlier today and I thought I might ask her question here since I know what wonderful feedback I can get.

    Ok so here's her situation, She has recently been having a "gut feeling" that something isn't right in her relationship with her hubby. They have been together for a couple of years and in the last few weeks she has been feeling like he's hiding things from her. She has had nothing to go on but suspicions and her gut *personally I trust my gut*. She recently got into his email and looked through it and discovered that a woman that he used to talk to, that he sapposedly doesn't like has sent her a picture of her genitallia. While she can't fault him for the sending, she does hold it against him for keeping the picture. The caption she told me read "for your safe keeping". I guess my question is does this constitue cheating? Should she confront him about it, cause she hasn't yet and it's really tearing her up. And what advice could you give me on how to advise her. I am kind of at a lose here cause this really doesn't sound like him to begin with. She doesn't want to break it off with him as she truly feels deeply for him. Right now she has the ability to kind of spy on him and I know it sounds dihonest but I'm not sure if one pic is much to go on in this situation of hers. I know that if this happened to me I would be as confused as she sounds when she talks about it to me. I honestly don't know what to tell her. So far I have only been the shoulder to cry on but I know the next time we have a chance in private to talk she's going to ask my advice. Anything to tell her would be something that I don't have now and would be very much appreaciated. I know this is kind of long so thanks for your patience in reading this.
  • Jun 22, 2006, 07:19 PM
    shunned
    I think checking his email is wrong. And no, I don't think looking at pictures of others constitutes "cheating".
  • Jun 22, 2006, 07:37 PM
    Myth
    While I agree that it was wrong to invade his privacy like that and totally agree. I need to add that they too met over the net and while I don't think she would have a problem if it was say a porn stars pic she does have a problem with him lying about his feelings towards this individual person. I do feel like she's borrowing trouble by doing this, but how would he feel if the shoe was on the other foot. She has also given him full access to all of her emails and believes that honesty is the best policy... I don't think that he's being totally honest with her and while it would make me wonder her actions don't really let her deal with the situation in a very mature manner. I don't think that I can dissuade her from spying on him in order to either confirm or deny suspicions either way and honestly if it were me I would need more proof that my gut was wrong before I jumped to conclusions. I know my man would have a fit if he found another guys penis pic in my email and I would definitely have some issues if I were in her shoes... This whole thing is a mess in and of itself.
  • Jun 22, 2006, 08:33 PM
    Wildcat21
    Everyone knows what I say about a woman's gut feelings!! I'd say they are right 98% of the time. Women have this radar when they know something isn't right.WOman's sense are way better than men's.

    Personally, in a marriage - I feel you DON'T HIDE ANYTHING FROM YOUR SPOUSE OR YOUR ASKING FOR MASSIVE TROUBLE - WHICH WILL LEAD TO LOSS OF TRUST... AND LOSS OF RESPECT.

    I say in a marriage she ahs a right to look at his e-mail. Now IF they were dating - no. But in a marriage you have taken a commitment and a bound.

    She had every right to snoop.

    GETTING THAT E-MAIL WAS WRONG AND HIM SAVING IT MAKES IT JUST AS WRONG.
  • Jun 22, 2006, 08:40 PM
    Myth
    I think that Wildcats answer also applies to a committed relationship where the couple has children and live together. Such as my case. I will be getting married next year and the trust needs to start somewhere. That and we've been together for over a year and are expecting twins soon... I believe that falls into the context of "married" we just haven't had the ceremony yet...
  • Jun 22, 2006, 09:43 PM
    letmetellu
    I would hate to see a marriage end on no more information than she has, and especially an e-mail or a picture that comes over the internet. I have a feeling that there is a possibility that sho ever he is talking to might even be a male and is just a nit that likes to send stuff to males while acting as a female. I think most of you know that anything can happen on here that might look suspicious. And is surely not enough to ruin a marriage.
  • Jun 22, 2006, 09:49 PM
    Myth
    She has actually talked to the woman on the phone and knows that it's not a guy... sorry should have added that. I asked the same question when I talked to her... I asked her if she was over reacting and if that was enough proof that her hubby was cheating... she said no. She also told me that he asked to be left alone at the comp as he was "talking" to friends one of which was her. I guess she's just going to have to "spy" on his internet activities more to find the truth. I don't like it anymore than anyone else but I would have to do the same thing in her position I think. I would expect him to do the same
  • Jun 22, 2006, 10:17 PM
    letmetellu
    There must be more to this than she has told you. I am a little confused about who sent who pictures and of what. And you said she was not mad about the pictures but is pissed because he didn't tell her about it. Even that is not something to be so upset about. Unless she had some things building up before that. If you learn more keep us informed...
  • Jun 23, 2006, 12:32 AM
    Krs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Myth
    I have a friend back home that called me earlier today and I thought I might ask her question here since I know what wonderful feedback I can get.

    Ok so here's her situation, She has recently been having a "gut feeling" that something isn't right in her relationship with her hubby. They have been together for a couple of years and in the last few weeks she has been feeling like he's hiding things from her. She has had nothing to go on but suspicions and her gut *personally I trust my gut*. She recently got into his email and looked through it and discovered that a woman that he used to talk to, that he sapposedly doesn't like has sent her a picture of her genitallia. While she can't fault him for the sending, she does hold it against him for keeping the picture. The caption she told me read "for your safe keeping". I guess my question is does this constitue cheating? Should she confront him about it, cause she hasn't yet and it's really tearing her up. And what advice could you give me on how to advise her. I am kinda at a lose here cause this really doesn't sound like him to begin with. She doesn't want to break it off with him as she truely feels deeply for him. Right now she has the ability to kinda spy on him and I know it sounds dihonest but i'm not sure if one pic is much to go on in this situation of hers. I know that if this happened to me I would be as confused as she sounds when she talks about it to me. I honestly don't know what to tell her. So far I have only been the shoulder to cry on but I know the next time we have a chance in private to talk she's going to ask my advice. Anything to tell her would be something that I don't have now and would be very much appreaciated. I know this is kinda long so thanks for your patience in reading this.


    I wouldn't constitute it as cheating but I damn well know it would really pi** me off!

    I would definitley confront him about it. Definitley.
    If he asks what were you doing going through my email - id say the bigger question is why the hell did u keep that disgusting photo??

    As Wildcat said once - answer a question with another question ;)

    Keeping things within you will only make it harder on you, and besides as his wife she has all the right to know.
  • Jun 23, 2006, 05:45 AM
    Cassie
    I agree, women and gut feelings. If he complains about her reading his emails then I would definitely think he has something to hide. Is it any different to converse privately with someone of the opposite sex on the computer all of the time, than writing letters via postal or talking on the phone all of the time. I am not saying you need to read each others emails, but if you happen upon one, what are you saying that needs to be hidden.
  • Jun 23, 2006, 06:16 AM
    Northwind_Dagas
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Myth
    Ok so here's her situation, She has recently been having a "gut feeling" that something isn't right in her relationship with her hubby. They have been together for a couple of years and in the last few weeks she has been feeling like he's hiding things from her. She has had nothing to go on but suspicions and her gut *personally I trust my gut*. She recently got into his email and looked through it and discovered that a woman that he used to talk to, that he sapposedly doesn't like has sent her a picture of her genitallia.

    To me, the most important factors in a relationship is communication and trust, and she's ignoring both. Rather than snooping, the first thing she should have done is talked to her husband.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Myth
    She has also given him full access to all of her emails and believes that honesty is the best policy...

    I don't think that I can dissuade her from spying on him in order to either confirm or deny suspicions either way and honestly if it were me I would need more proof that my gut was wrong before I jumped to conclusions.

    How "honest" is spying? I don't believe she really thinks honesty is the best policy, or she wouldn't be dishonest herself. She needs to talk to him BEFORE further causing damage to their trust for each other.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Myth
    I guess she's just going to have to "spy" on his internet activities more to find the truth. I don't like it anymore than anyone else but I would have to do the same thing in her position I think. I would expect him to do the same

    I completely disagree! If he finds out that she's spying, there is going to be ongoing trust issues. Is it worth the damage to the relationship when a simple conversation could clear things up?

    In the end, he may very well be cheating. But I think she should talk to him about it before continuing actions that may jeopordize their relationship anyway if he's not cheating.

    If she can't trust her husband to be truthful and honest with her, then it doesn't really matter if he's cheating or not, they have other issues to work out.
  • Jun 23, 2006, 06:21 AM
    valinors_sorrow
    I think snooping is always wrong, even in marriage. There is never a right time to do a wrong thing. Admitting to a suspicion and warning someone that they are on notice for further scrutiny is the only above-board way (and I site this as a method for, say, a parent with a child they suspect of drug use) and I don't consider that snooping. As a result of snooping, she has now seriously handicapped her ability to have a frank, open, and honorable discussion about her gut feelings with him... which is what should have taken place to begin with.

    It's that old adage: two wrongs don't even each other out or something to that effect.

    Although this is likely to be an unpopular suggestion, I advise she live with the discomfort on the email as the price of snooping. When she has tangible evidence that backs up her gut reaction without resorting to actions that compromise her integrity, then she can bring up the discussion by limiting it to that evidence.

    Otherwise, her only other recourse is to confess to the snooping to confront him with what she found and be prepared for his indignation. Sounds like an "all the cards on the table" from both sides type of conversation is really overdue here.
  • Jun 23, 2006, 06:50 AM
    prefabber
    Good moring folks, Two wrongs don't make it right. But the real question is why is the pic. In his e-mail? With out TRUST in a relationship what do you HAVE?
  • Jun 23, 2006, 07:23 AM
    Cassie
    This is an issue with so many factors. One can not always say the same answer applies to every situation. I do not believe in "snooping". On the other hand I have nothing to hide so if my husband is on my computer it does not bother me because I have nothing to hide. That does not say he would go through each of my emails to see if he can trust me, nor I his. So you have trust in each other and you find a picture on his email that is questionable. If you did not see it you would not now, so are you saying ignorance is bliss? It is OK to have something like that on your email because it is off limits to his wife. Is that trust? Trust is not having anything to hide. So which one is being untrustworthy? Someone who says "No, I have no emails to hide" and actually does. Or the person who sees it. Personally I think the one who hides something because he knows it is wrong and lies about it makes a bigger mistake.
    It is just my opinion.
  • Jun 23, 2006, 07:26 AM
    Krs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by prefabber
    Good moring folks, Two wrongs don't make it right. But the real question is why is the pic. in his e-mail? with out TRUST in a relationship what do you HAVE?

    Totally agree that two wrongs don't maka a right.
    But althou maybe her browsing through her hubby's email isn't right, what's done is done!
    She saw the pic..
    And I know I would feel just like her.
    Its not a matter of trust, but I would ask myself 'why does my hubby have a pic like that of another female'... a female I don't know.
    If I had found a pic of some naked celebrity I wouldn't mind now really... but of some strange female.. :(
    I wouldn't be happy.
    So I would surely ask him.
  • Jun 23, 2006, 07:29 AM
    Cassie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by valinors_sorrow
    I think snooping is always wrong, even in marriage. There is never a right time to do a wrong thing. Admitting to a suspicion and warning someone that they are on notice for further scrutiny is the only above-board way (and I site this as a method for, say, a parent with a child they suspect of drug use). As a result she has now seriously handicapped her ability to have a frank, open, and honorable discussion about her gut feelings with him... which is what should have taken place to begin with.

    It's that old adage: two wrongs don't even each other out or something to that effect.

    Although this is likely to be an unpopular suggestion, I advise she live with the discomfort on the email as the price of snooping. When she has tangible evidence that backs up her gut reaction without resorting to actions that compromise her integrity, then she can bring up the discussion by limiting it to that evidence.

    Otherwise, her only other recourse is to confess to the snooping to confront him with what she found and be prepared for his indignation. Sounds like an "all the cards on the table" from both sides type of conversation is really overdue here.

    I agree with part of your point but not about children on drugs. You can ask them first and if they say no, you need to start looking to make sure. I volunteer a lot with teenagers in trouble. If you suspect drugs or alcohol, discuss it first but you have to make sure. The sooner you can become aware of a problem with them, the sooner you can start helping them.
  • Jun 23, 2006, 07:52 AM
    Blazingsun
    So funny I should come across this topic.

    My husband left me actually because he had installed some tracker program on MY computer to track every single thing I did and said online.

    He didn't trust me. I believe he had other issues to deal with besides trust which made him start snooping. Anyway, he found some things he didn't like and went with them. Next thing I know, without a word to me about anything, he was gone.

    I am infuriated he loaded my computer with a tracker. Infuriated he invaded my privacy. Married or not it's still illegal to open anothers mail. Married or not doesn't make it right for another to invade ones private space or doings. This leads to trouble no matter how you look at it.

    After he had left and finally started talking to me I was able to explain that what he had saw wasn't what he thought and he made a mountain out of a mole hill kind of deal.

    He is a very insecure man and still did not fully believe me, though did want to come back. I told him I needed time to think about what HE had done to ME. He didn't like this and told me straight out he wanted a divorce. We are no longer together.

    Point of all this... snooping was wrong.
    Should have just confronted him and voiced your fears right then and there. Then, hell, ask to see his email then, have HIM show you what he has. It's not snooping and gives him chance to explain himself.
  • Jun 23, 2006, 08:01 AM
    J_9
    Okay, my two cents, for what it's worth.

    I had a similar circumstance. A few years back I got on the computer and found my husband's e-mail. Purley by accident. He had a hotmail account and checke the box that asks to be remembered on this computer. At this point in time OUR e-mail was through hotmail so I went to check OUR e-mail and HIS popped up. I found a few things on there that shocked me.

    So, what did I do? I immediately shut down the computer and left everything as it was. I confronted him with the facts that I had seen. Of course he denied everything, but when we got together in our home office where the computer was, I was able to show him what, and how, I found. At this point he could not deny anything.

    So we then discussed where problems in our marriage might be and how to solve the problems. We then disconnected access to the internet for a short time (a few months) to work on US.

    Now there are no secrets when it comes to the internet. And we have learned to trust each other more.
  • Jun 23, 2006, 08:50 AM
    talaniman
    Just my take on things-How would I feel if my wife went through my e-mails? A-We share the same account so even when we get those weird e-mails from some nut just hit delete. No matter about that gut feeling, going through someone else's stuff period is wrong. If there is a problem why not just ask or better yet say - honey my gut is feeling funny or something like that but why sneak around. Just my opinion though as a man why leave stuff around that will piss off the wife, Now that's dumb! Still they both should be talking about more than the price of bread because she may have been snooping but his hands aren't that clean either!:cool: :(
  • Jun 23, 2006, 08:57 AM
    Depressed in MO
    I feel that it depends on the situation to determine whether snooping is right.
    I was with my Ex for seven years, and never once snooped on his cell phone, not one time. I even asked if I could see it and he told me No all the time and still I never snooped.
    One night recently he passed out drunk on the couch and had his cell plugged into the charger next to him. It kept ringing and ringing all night into the morning. I never got up even once to look even though I laid in my bed wondering who was calling at 4;45 in the morning. Well when I woke up for work, I went into the living room to wake him up for work and his cell phone (which was a flip phone) was wide open and I glanced at the screen because it was laying right there in the wide open and saw missed calls: Katie, Katie, Katie, Katie a million times. This is someone who he had cheated on me with before and swore it was over months prior. At that point, with him still passed out, I looked through his phone, found other girls in there, and also some very intimate text messages between him and Katie. He was telling her that he loved her and all kinds of things. I do not think that what I did was wrong and no one could ever convince me otherwise. If I had not done what I did, to this very day, he would still be messing with her and tearing our family that we had together apart. Sometimes you have to search for the truth in any way you can...
  • Jun 23, 2006, 09:10 AM
    valinors_sorrow
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cassie
    I agree with part of your point but not about children on drugs. You can ask them first and if they say no, you need to start looking to make sure. I volunteer a lot with teenagers in trouble. If you suspect drugs or alcohol, discuss it first but you have to make sure. The sooner you can become aware of a problem with them, the sooner you can start helping them.

    Actually I was agreeing with you. I make a distinction between snooping and scrutiny. What makes scrutiny not snooping is announcing it beforehand so it is not a sudden, unexpected invasion of privacy. Without the annoucement of "yes, you will be scrutinized", its akin to entrapment, which is emotionally damaging for all concerned. But in some circumstances scrutiny is very necessary, like kids on drugs. But I wonder if a spouse would ever do this to a spouse?
  • Jun 23, 2006, 10:36 AM
    talaniman
    By Val
    Quote:

    Actually I was agreeing with you. I make a distinction between snooping and scrutiny. What makes scrutiny not snooping is announcing it beforehand so it is not a sudden, unexpected invasion of privacy. Without the annoucement of "yes, you will be scrutinized", its akin to entrapment, which is emotionally damaging for all concerned. But in some circumstances scrutiny is very necessary, like kids on drugs. But I wonder if a spouse would ever do this to a spouse?
    Not only is trust important for a married couple, communication is the cornerstone. I never will understand how some one can't just say, hey I feel this or that, instead of going through e-mails or wallets or cell phones. Being honest and up front is the best way to go ,but by the same token if a question is asked by a spouse then it should be answered and none of that question with a question mess either. Again the truth upfront will allay fears, and set minds at ease and if it doesn't then -SAY SO! Instead of walking around with a lip stuck out wondering can you trust or not? At some point when the suspicion continues though, as in a question of where have you been not being very believable any human would be remiss not to use any means at their disposal to find out the truth! When two minds do not meet we get conflict.:cool: ;)
  • Jun 23, 2006, 11:17 AM
    Depressed in MO
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman
    by Val

    Not only is trust important for a married couple, communication is the cornerstone. I never will understand how some one can't just say, hey I feel this or that, instead of going thru e-mails or wallets or cell phones. Being honest and up front is the best way to go ,but by the same token if a question is asked by a spouse then it should be answered and none of that question with a question mess either. Again the truth upfront will allay fears, and set minds at ease and if it doesn't then -SAY SO! instead of walking around with a lip stuck out wondering can you trust or not? At some point when the suspicion continues though, as in a question of where have you been not being very believable any human would be remiss not to use any means at their disposal to find out the truth! When two minds do not meet we get conflict.:cool: ;)

    Well what about after the fact that you talk to that person and they still continue their suspicious behavior? What is one suppose to do then? I've done the whole" respect his privacy" and don't snoop thing and it did nothing but buy him more time to do more harm.
  • Jun 23, 2006, 11:48 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Depressed in MO
    Well what about after the fact that you talk to that person and they still continue their suspicious behavior? What is one suppose to do then? I've done the whole" respect his privacy" and don't snoop thing and it did nothing but buy him more time to do more harm.

    As I stated before if his answers were not beleivable say so then and there! After that you do what you have to (I would) If people have nothing to hide they generally don't act suspicious and to be honest hiding my cell phone and wallet is out of the question ,just me mind you, but I really don't care if my wife goes through them, But if a spouse cannot answer a simple question to allay the fears of their spouse then all bets off. To get respect you must give it! In your case which I remember very well Yourself -esteem did not allow you to put this right in his face and demand that he tell the truth or get out and if I remember right he left several times and you took him back and he did the same thing again.WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW THE TRUTH FROM THE PEOPLE WE SHARE OUR LIFE WITH!
  • Jun 23, 2006, 12:27 PM
    Myth
    From my conversation with her this morning it seems that she had said something about this weeks ago.. her gut I mean... Recently (in the last week) there had been some damage to his cell phone over which he flipped out and needed it replaced asap as he was going out of town. She needed to have his verification code to be able to do that while he was at work and sooo when he gave it to her she remembered that it was also his password onto his comp screen...
    From there it was all a matter of she open his Yahoo messenger and clicked on the mail button and was in. The had discussed her gut for a couple of weeks now and he had not managed to put her at ease but to make it worse. The night before his work trip he spent 3hrs "talking" to this woman on the comp. This was the day after the date on the email. He also demanded nicely his privacy to talk to his friends. He did not spend anytime with her as she packed his things and this made her even more suspicious. I think that she's given him ample time to "come clean" so to speak. I also think that everything happens for a reason and that maybe she was sapposed to find this out. I believe that having a pic of a strangers vagina in his email is akin to having another woman in the house... I mean how would he feel if the roles were reversed??
  • Jun 23, 2006, 01:21 PM
    Wildcat21
    Sounds like there is a rat in Denmark.

    Time for your friend to have that talk. IF he doesn't want to talk about it - bingo
  • Jun 23, 2006, 01:27 PM
    Myth
    I agree... I think she needs to confront him. Why let this go any further
  • Jun 23, 2006, 01:53 PM
    Wildcat21
    She has to - no question.
  • Jun 23, 2006, 03:27 PM
    talaniman
    You mean he actually ask for privacy to talk to his g/f? Well after your last post Myth, I strongly recommend taking the nice gloves off for this next session with hubbie. If she still has access to his E-mail... (I don't like half slick lying cheaters)
  • Jun 23, 2006, 03:39 PM
    J_9
    Not only does he has to ask for privacy to talk to the girlfriend, but the wife goes ahead and gives privacy to the husband to talk to his girlfriend.

    I would never have let it get that far!
  • Jun 23, 2006, 04:52 PM
    valinors_sorrow
    It's a hard lesson and a pretty tough concept but many of the people who get walked all over simply allow it. They really do. They tend to hook up with walkers too, strangely enough. The fear of losing someone demands that they tolerate it. It is them demanding it of themselves but then they blame the walker for that as well as the walking.

    How do I know this? I was just like that. I help people now who are like that. I eventually learned that no relationship is better than a bad one once I dealt with my codependency issues. But until then I was with a lot of messed up guys because I was so messed up.

    I am not saying this is necessarily true of your friend Myth, but it certainly bears considering. I see a lot of blurred lines and after-the-fact justifications in what you are describing here about who is responsible for what... and I got to tell you, that is what makes me think there are two in this mess, not one.

    If I was holding a face to face conversation with them in my office, the first thing I would be achieving is an agreement that they are each responsible for their own behaviors. No more cross blaming and then trumping that with the sactimonious "victim" card. "I did this because you did" that is out. Once we established responsibility like that, then maybe who isn't talking and who isn't trusting can be addressed appropriately. If someone can't take responsibility for what they do, then all bets are off about any relationship, period.

    Many good people here have said it on many many threads - relationships take talking of a type of quality that builds trust. And if they don't know how to do that, then there will eventually be more than nude pics showing up in emails going wrong, if it hasn't already.
  • Jun 23, 2006, 05:08 PM
    Myth
    I think she said that she was going to confront him about it tonight. I'll make sure and ask her tomorrow what has happened and keep you all posted... She really needs to air the dirty laundry so to speak. I just hope that it all has a happy ending one way or another
  • Jun 25, 2006, 09:47 AM
    Chery
    Hi Myth.

    I agree with Wildcat... when married, there should be no 'secrets' unless it's a surprise birthday party, or that special gift. And, of course the woman's purse and the man's wallet. Those are in my opinion, the little things that should still be 'private' and 'sacred'.

    The internet, on the other hand, should not be secret - that's in a way, a fantasy world, but you should share all of your fantasies with your spouse.

    I also agree that there might be more than just this issue of possibly cheating - he might like the mystery.. but it's still not right. Besides, no woman has a right to send pictures of her genitalia to a married man.

    If your friend does not want to 'confess' that she's been through his mail, then she is not being totally honest either, but on the other hand, she's probably so 'bummed out' right now that he should have noticed something was amiss and asked her if she had something on her mind.

    The 'receptiveness' on both parts is lacking and it would perhaps help her if she just had a fit and suggest counseling of some kind. That's only if this is really what she wants. It takes two to forget to communicate, no matter what reason.

    No matter what you pass on to her, please make sure that you are not a focal point of their 'spat' because you don't need the stress in your condition.

    Take care dear, and get back with us.

    http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_9_16.gif Usually, if you look for trouble, you'll find it.
  • Jun 25, 2006, 09:55 AM
    Quincy
    I also don't constitute this cheating. However this is on the borderline of almost cheating don't you think? I've had this same situation happen to me quite some time ago with a boyfriend who at first denied that he was chatting online. The bottom line is that he was talking to another female and exchanging phone numbers and information- which already crosses the line. If he was really interested in her he wouldn't pursue anything and would be honest about this girl. The fact that he isn't honest about this means that he is hiding this- and possibly more. Like I said an ex of mine did the same. He eventually went on and cheated on me- simply because I dismissed the emails and pictures in his email. The fact that your friend has gone out of her way to look into his email suggests that she does not trust him. Without the trust of both partners there is only a failed relationship.
  • Jun 25, 2006, 12:07 PM
    Myth
    Update:
    She wrote him a letter telling him everything she did and that she would be leaving asap and he cried. I guess he knew he had made a mistake and from what I gathered they are working things out. He will not be talking to this woman again and even told his wife that when/if she calls that she could answer the call and talk to the other woman... Knowing her that might be dangerous for the other woman but it did give her piece of mind... She believes that this is a one time occurrence and that they can work through it. I agree with her since I know both of them. They seem to have a renewed love of life and each other since this happened... I hope it continues to be that way. I think he realised what he almost lost and how much she loves him to stay. She also went through the cell phone calls and he haddn't had any out of state numbers on the long distance, she thinks that this woman took it upon herself to act out and attempt to get her hubby. She forgave him but won't forget and is wondering if he'll ever be able to forgive himself. I guess anytime he looks at her he seems on the verge of tears. He told her it was because he almost lost the best thing that ever happened to him. The thing he had prayed the most for and now he had a second chance to make it right and he is grateful... I think they will work things out... What's life without a couple of speed bumps to slow you down and make you think..
  • Jun 25, 2006, 12:12 PM
    Chery
    So glad that this worked out.

    Since I don't know them, my main concern was for you and I hope this did not stress you out.

    It did sound as if the other woman sent the picture for your friend to find, creating an issue between them. So.. I hope your friend gives her heck if she dares to call him at home.

    Yep, those speedbumps are what keeps us awake..

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  • Jun 25, 2006, 12:37 PM
    Myth
    It didn't stress me too much. Just knew how I would feel if it was me. I know she will if she actually calls. I know I would and we are very much alike. Thank you all for your advice and I'll let you know if anything happens in the future.

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