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Right here: Liberty Counsel
Look at the wording and compare it to what you've read here.
Here's the kicker: the talking points assembled by the Liberty Counsel, a far-right religious group that's part of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University empire.
Here's the real ifo to counter the falsehoods: Get the facts about the stability and security you get from health insurance reform | Health Insurance Reform Reality Check
My outlook on it is that they are going to do what they are going to do and only time will tell. Government has a way of saying one thing and doing the complete opposite.
So I don't trust anything they say or do until we have the cold hard facts as the final result
Buy you'll accept distortions instead? Or what Chuck Norris says?
Oh, look, NeedKarma is an expert on where Conservatives get their talking points now. He must have taken a poll of Conservatives and they musth have pointed him to this website. Strange that he never asked me, though, even though he knows I'm a Conservative.
Actually, I get many of my "talking points" from here:
Amazon.com: Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto eBook: Mark R. Levin: The Kindle Store
Others are just plain old logic, common sense, and an understanding of both history and economics, as well as 40 years of life experience.
I've never seen the Liberty Counsel website.
Elliot
I'll pick Chuck Norris over the government any day. When was the last time the government didn't lie to us?
Exactly :DQuote:
Originally Posted by etwolverine
You don't even bother reading posts do you? It's just knee-jerk reaction all the time?Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
I mentioned that the same wording from that site appears right here in this forum.
Thanks for the heads up NK, I've never heard of Liberty Counsel. Another resource is always welcome... at least someone has read the bill.
It certainly fits your history of proliferating propaganda and untruths! Good little christian you are. :)
Yeah I'm a Falwell flunkie. The problem with your argument is that the Liberty sight you link to provides the section of the bill in question and I can read it myself.
The President's web site provides no such linkage and is propaganda itself.
As an example Veterans groups have been complaining about the bill because the plan wants to transfer the costs of care FROM the government to private insurance as a cost savings measure.They are afraid that the insurance companies will in turn bill the Vets for the care(including war related injuries) . So the section about Vets care on the President's blog is a distortion itself. If I think anyone deserves free health care it's our Vets. Yet it appears that they will actually be worse off under the President's plan.
I think there should be a reality check to counter the President's reality check .He is clearly shilling for a plan he has never read .
LOL ETW is JEWISH
So with one leg he is knee jerk reaction while with the other leg he is kickin'
With plain old logic, common sense, and an understanding of both history and economics, as well as 40 years of life experience.
You'll have to be more specific, try facts instead of propaganda and untruths.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Who cares if he's jeweish or gay or bald or fat?Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
Uh huh. And people don't use the same wording to talk about the same topic on the left?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I guess, by your logic, all the left wingers get their talking points from David Axelrod who was the first to say that the grass-roots movements to stop this health care reform bill was "astroturf" and now every left-wing blogger, politician and activist is using that term.
When a political term becomes popular, it gets picked up in the media and used over and over again. This is true on BOTH sides of the political spectrum. That does NOT mean that they are all taking their talking points from the same place. It just means that certain usages of terminology and phraseology have become popular.
I would be willing to bet that if you go through the terminology and phraseology used on the Liberty Counsel website and did a bit of research as to where those terms were first used, you would find that most of them pre-date any of the current issues on the table.
As a side note, although "astroturf" was first applied to the health care debate by Axelrod, the term "astroturfing" meaning creating a fake "grass-roots" movement actually dates back to the late 1980s or early 1990s when it was used by Senator Lloyd Bentsen. The actual practice of "astroturfing" dates back to the 1800s under King Leopold II of Belgium in order to justify his private colonialism and exploitation of The Congo.
So I'm afraid that Robert Gibbs and David Axelrod, who thought they were being creative, are anything but.
I suspect that the terminology used in Liberty Cousel's website and by us Conservatives here have their origins dating back to a much earlier era. The philosophy of Conservartism dates back to the founding of the Nation, so I suspect much of our phraseology dates back to that era, at the very least.
But of course, you know where we get our terminology because you've checked it out.
Elliot
Oh I thought you were lumping ET into this statementQuote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
No they don't, they refer specifically to the health care reform bill only.Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
Gee so you are saying that the health care reform is something so radically new that it has no socialism ties or anything?
I bet you can find it in Fabianism and the book ETW referred to as well as other books on socialism
OK, then. You have now made a statement of fact, and I'm going to challenge it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Please name any term or phrase that is used on the Liberty Counsel website, and is applied to the health care bill, that has NEVER BEEN USED BEFORE THIS BILL WAS CREATED AND WAS MADE UP BY THE FOLKS AT LIBERTY COUNSEL.
If you cannot, I expect a retraction of the statement.
Actually, no I don't... not from you.
Elliot
Well there's a red herring argument eh ET? You want me to show you a new word there that was made up specifically for this campaign? You fail at trying to paint someone into a corner with spurious requests. Quit being so nazi and admit that the talking points such as:
- Government will have direct access to your bank accounts
- YOUR HEALTH CARE WILL BE RATIONED!
- No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “administrative of judicial review” against a government monopoly.
- Cancer patients and their treatment are open to rationing!
- Government tells doctors what/how much they can own.
- Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
And others have appeared here and all over the web.
Sweet...Quote:
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Actually the calling of people nazis is the domain of the uneducated i.e they have no argument. It's commonly referered to as Godwin's Law:
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