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ETWolverine · Aug 12, 2009, 08:15 AM

Yeah... your politicians are as pure as the driven snow. No corporate interests in government in Canada.

Crown Corporations and Other Corporate Interests of Canada 2006 - Part 4 of 58

No lobbying groups either.

http://www.sources.com/listings/Subscribers/L943.htm
http://www.sources.com/listings/Subscribers/L89.htm
http://www.sources.com/listings/Subscribers/L3378.htm
http://www.sources.com/listings/Subscribers/L378.htm
http://www.sources.com/listings/Subscribers/L1718.htm

I could go on and list hundreds more lobbying groups and corporate interest organizations and PACs. But I think you get my point.

Elliot

NeedKarma · Aug 12, 2009, 08:22 AM

LOL! I don't think you understand what you linked to... or what a crown corp is.

ETWolverine · Aug 12, 2009, 09:03 AM

You said that your government isn't involved in corporate interests and doesn't have to deal with lobbying groups.

These links have proven that no only is the government involved in corporate interests, it actually OWNS those corporate interests and therefore makes laws that are in the best interests of those corporate interests, whether it helps individuals or other businesses or not.

Nor is your government so free of lobbyist and PAC involvement as you would have us believe. Again, as proven by those links.

Your "pure as the driven snow" government is up to it's eyeballs in corporate interests and lobbyists.

Which means that they ain't acting in YOUR best interests.

But I'm sure that you still trust them COMPLETELY to make decisions for you.

Elliot

NeedKarma · Aug 12, 2009, 09:06 AM

You still don't get it. Yes, the gov owns some crown corp (that's what "crown" means) so they get to fully audit them and post their results.

You can read more about lobbying here: Office of the Commissioner of Lobbying of Canada - Lobbying Act, Regulations and Code of Conduct

ETWolverine · Aug 12, 2009, 09:38 AM

If you have corporations owned by the government, then the government makes decisions that benefit that corporation, not you.

If the government has lobbyists, it caters to those lobbyists. (If they diodn't the lobbying groups would cease to exist due to lack of effectiveness.) Therefore your government isd making decisions based on Lobbying groups' best interests, not yours.

Elliot

speechlesstx · Aug 14, 2009, 08:16 AM

The former philanderer-in-chief is calling on the astroturf to rescue Obama...

Former President Bill Clinton told an audience of liberal online activists Thursday evening that the nation has “entered a new era of progressive politics” that could last for decades if Democrats can pass ambitious measures such as health care reform and climate change.

In a nearly hour-long keynote address to the fourth annual Netroots Nation convention in Pittsburgh, a gathering of roughly 1,500 progressive bloggers and activists, Clinton said the nation—and public opinion—has dramatically changed in the 16 years since he took office. But he noted that President Barack Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress needed the support of the online community to achieve their agenda.

“We have entered a new era of progressive politics which, if we do it right, can last 30 or 40 years,” Clinton said. “America has rapidly moved to another place on a lot of these issues.”

“The president needs your help,” he said, “and the cause needs your help.”

This is going to get even uglier...

speechlesstx · Aug 14, 2009, 01:56 PM

Now THIS is astroturfing, or as one blogger calls it, organizing to send "astroletters." MoveOn has supplied all the talking points, writing tips and a choice of newspapers.

* We can't afford to wait for reform: Each day, 14,000 people in the U.S. lose their health care coverage. And without reform, those who still have insurance will see their yearly premiums go up by $9,000 in the next decade—to a staggering $22,000.

* Reform with a real public option is key to expanding coverage: Under current legislation, which includes a strong public health insurance option, 37 million Americans will gain coverage by 2019.

* A real public health insurance option is crucial to lowering costs: With premiums projected to hit $22,000, we need to get costs down. By spurring competition, a public plan will help bring down out-of-control costs for individuals, families, and small businesses.

If you have trouble writing your own letter to the editor all you have to do is copy and paste the talking points and they'll do the rest.

speechlesstx · Aug 14, 2009, 02:09 PM

It just keeps getting better. This week, protesters and disruptors are "un-American" to Madame Pelosi. Thanks to a flashback from Breitbart we can hear how she was "a fan of disruptors" back in 2006... even when she's the one being disrupted. It takes a special person to be able to stand in front of the American people and not care which face she's showing.

ETWolverine · Aug 14, 2009, 02:36 PM

* We can't afford to wait for reform: Each day, 14,000 people in the U.S. lose their health care coverage.

Doesn't that have something to do with the number of people losing their jobs? And wouldn't that economic reality be a finction of Obama's stimulus bill's ineffectiveness?

Also: How many people are getting back on insurance plans every day?

Just wondering.