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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Elliot, you do make me laugh. :)

I have no idea what state of mind brings you to that conclusion but I certainly cannot argue with that.

How about your constant complaints about large corporations. That seems to be a hint to me that you would get rid of large corporations if you coul, rather than trying to create your own. Is that statement untrue?

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See my post right above yours. Your country isn't unique. But it is unique in the amount of money your representatives are allowed to receive (on the books and off the books).

Really? How often is it that a commoner in England can become part of the elite of England? Not very.

Austrlia may be closer to us than most countries, but there too, movement from class to class is limited.

Japan has a whole hierarchy built into their system... people do NOT freely change jobs or start corporations there. It is actually quite hard to do if you are not part of the already-existing upper class of Japanese society. And unless you are part of an already existing keiretsu or family of companies, your company isn't going anywhere significant. And unless your company is recognized by the shunto or unions, you aren't going to be able to hire any decently qualified employees.

Most of Europe hasn't been capitalist long enough to see people move from one class to another. 20 years is a very short period in a capitalist economy. Most corporations in European countries have been started by AMERICAN INVESTORS, mostly because the locals were too poor. Given time they may be able to develop a system, wherein it becomes easy to start and build a business on their own and move from class to class. But that system does not currently exist in most of Europe.

As for Canada, it used to be that Canadians could up and start a business whenever they wished. Unfortunately, the Canadian government has become to involved in regulating business... especially the health care business, but other industries as well. As a result, it has become more difficult to start a business from scratch there, and even harder to build it up into something huge. And the taxation system in Canada virtually guarantees that people will remain in the class into which they were born forever.

For now, the USA is the only country where starting a company is easy to do, where building it up is a function of hard work, not political favors, and where a poor kid from the 'hood can become a major corporate leader of his own major company.

Simply put, while other countries would like to think so, there is no country that has the opportunities afforded to the USA. Many try, and some are getting closer. But none are quite there yet.

I only hope that we don't become our own worst economic enemy by taxing ourselves into destruction, as France, Switzerland, Sweden and other countries are doing.

Elliot

Yeah, "sub prime" loans was an entitlement that backfired. But I suspect you had 'concern for the poor' confused with real entitlement.

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

How about your constant complaints about large corporations. That seems to be a hint to me that you would get rid of large corporations if you coul, rather than trying to create your own. Is that statement untrue?

Completely untrue for several reasons: a) my "constant complaints about large corporations" is a something you made up, and b) why get rid of large corporations? I want to lessen their grip on the government.

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

Really? How often is it that a commoner in England can become part of the elite of England?

How did a discussion about buying shares and having a vote become aiming to be part of the elite? Seriously, stop twisting s.hit around, it's really annoying.

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

For now, the USA is the only country where starting a company is easy to do, where building it up is a function of hard work, not political favors, and where a poor kid from the 'hood can become a major corporate leader of his own major company.

I'm in Canada and could start a company in 20 minutes. Get out and vist the world a bit.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

DC
yeah I remember them lecturing us about the helmets and goggles our troops would wear while their troops were walking around in berets . But it is their leadership that was the problem . The troops on the ground are tough as nails .There was one battle they fought where the Highlanders were outnumbered 20 to 100 . They fixed bayonets and charged . As I recall they only had a few minor casualties in the exchange.

The problem was there was this assumption that the Brits were the source of record dealing with urban counter insurgency because of their experiences in N.Ireland . But our troops are seasoned enough now to know that much of the Brit game plan is smoke and mirrors . Basra has become a model of how not to run a counter insurgency campaign. They were given the Southern sector and for a long time now they have garrisoned themselves in a four star hotel out near the airport ,and let radical Iran puppets gain a huge advantage . The Brits have managed to turn one of the more stable areas of Iraq into one of the least.They did a deal with Mookie al-Sadr that they would be left alone in exchange for the Mahdi Army having the freedom to route the security forces that the Brits poorly trained. . They have now declared that they don't like shooting people .

The sad part is that the American tactics are working . But when Gen.P next goes to Capitol Hill to report the Dems will say . Look at Basra . We will have to divert some of our troops to protect the supply line from Kuwait and we will have to take over counterinsurgency operation in that key Southern city . Tell you one thing ;if the Iranians ever tried to seize an American ship the sailors wouldn't quietly submit to become hostages .

You are also correct that if they view this vital area as not in the sphere of British national interests they sure as hell are not going to think that of Afghanistan . I expect the surrender monkey G.Brown to abandon the commitment there also ,even though there is no question that the operation there is a multi-national NATO one . I wonder if he has procured enough white flags to handle both the Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns.

As usual, another good analysis. :D

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Completely untrue for several reasons: a) my "constant complaints about large corporations" is a something you made up, and b) why get rid of large corporations? I want to lessen their grip on the government.

I see no evidence other than hearsay that lage corporations have any sort of grip on government. Last I saw, the government was in the business of regulating and taxing large corporations and small businesses out of existence, they way they did the flu vaccination manufacturers.

I do see evidence, however, of you advocating for bringing down the power structure in the corporate world in order to (as you put it) "lessen their grip on government".

Raise their taxes, take the money they make and redistribute it to the poor, take away their market by creating government-run industries, sue them for being too successful. That way their grip on government will weaken. Right?

Wrong... the only thing that will do is break those companies, leave millions unemployed and throw the economy into a major depression.

But as long as those companies have lost their power, what do you care, right?

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How did a discussion about buying shares and having a vote become aiming to be part of the elite? Seriously, stop twisting s.hit around, it's really annoying.

Buying shares and voting was YOUR contribution to this string. Mine was about the fact that this country offers greater opportunity than any other to become one of the elites. You claimed that the USA is not unique in that level of opportunity, and cited the UK, Japan, Australia, Canada, and Europe as examples, and I disproved them one by one.

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I'm in Canada and could start a company in 20 minutes. Get out and vist the world a bit.

I have. I'm also an expert in finance and economics... it comes with my job description.

You can file the paperwork to open a business in Canada, sure. But can you make it successful? Can you turn it onto the next Microsoft or Exxon/Mobil or Berkshiore Hathaway? Not likely. Canada's taxation system prevents it. That means that even if you can start a business, making it successful is more difficult than in the USA, and turining it into a major international conglomorate is nearly impossible. In the USA it happens several times a year. Ergo, the opportunities available to us in the USA are greater than those in any other country in the world, including Canada.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

I see no evidence other than hearsay that lage corporations have any sort of grip on government. Last I saw, the government was in the business of regulating and taxing large corporations and small businesses out of existence, they way they did the flu vaccination manufacturers.

I do see evidence, however, of you advocating for bringing down the power structure in the corporate world in order to (as you put it) "lessen their grip on government".

Raise their taxes, take the money they make and redistribute it to the poor, take away their market by creating government-run industries, sue them for being too sucessful. That way their grip on government will weaken. Right?

Wrong... the only thing that will do is break those companies, leave millions unemployed and throw the economy into a major depression.

But as long as those companies have lost their power, what do you care, right?

Buying shares and voting was YOUR contribution to this string. Mine was about the fact that this country offers greater opportunity than any other to become one of the elites. You claimed that the USA is not unique in that level of opportunity, and cited the UK, Japan, Australia, Canada, and Europe as examples, and I disproved them one by one.

I have. I'm also an expert in finance and economics... it comes with my job description.

You can file the paperwork to open a business in Canada, sure. But can you make it successful? Can you turn it onto the next Microsoft or Exxon/Mobil or Berkshiore Hathaway? Not likely. Canada's taxation system prevents it. That means that even if you can start a business, making it successful is more difficult than in the USA, and turining it into a major international conglomorate is nearly impossible. In the USA it happens several times a year. Ergo, the opportunities available to us in the USA are greater than those in any other country in the world, including Canada.

Elliot

What he did was hijack the thread, that was the purpose of his comments; seems to be the purpose of 3 or 4 people here on a regular basis.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

What he did was hijack the thread, that was the purpose of his comments; seems to be the purpose of 3 or 4 people here on a regular basis.

Oh the irony, since you and your cronies have hijacked the entire Politics forum. Don't believe me? Check it our who makes 95% of the posts here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politics/

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Oh the irony, since you and your cronies have hijacked the entire Politics forum. Don't believe me? Check it our who makes 95% of the posts here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politics/

:eek:

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Oh the irony, since you and your cronies have hijacked the entire Politics forum. Don't believe me? Check it our who makes 95% of the posts here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politics/

Ahh.. the good old days,

Like this

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politi...ues-91165.html

When retired navy single handedly took the politically incorrect view. :(

Grace and peace

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Originally Posted by inthebox

Ahh..., the good old days,

like this

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politi...ues-91165.html

when retired navy single handedly took the politically incorrect view. :(

Grace and peace

Interesting read, I read through 7 pages of a one against many. I would say the arguments are much more balanced today than they were then. What I didn’t see was anyone high jacking the thread in order to shut someone up.