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This utterly beggars belief.
Can those with access to Truth Social quote the actual post, so we can all draw our own conclusions on this...
Would be interested on @tomder55 and @jlisenbe's take on this.
Trump's call for 'end' of constitution condemnedQuote:
Originally Posted by BBC News
So far as I can find, this is the actual quote.
“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,”
It's hard to know exactly what he meant by that. I'd like to see it in context. It seems to be truncated if the hanging comma at the end is any indication.
This is unquestionably true. "He also accused "Big Tech Companies" of colluding against him with Democrats."
Was this directed at Hillary? ""You cannot only love America when you win," Mr Bates said in a statement."
The quote:
"Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” Trump wrote in a post on the social network Truth Social and accused “Big Tech” of working closely with Democrats. “Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!”
This was all said in response to the revelations of high tech collusion to get Biden elected as shown by the Twitter file releases.
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Trump made the statement in response to the release of the "Twitter Files" on Friday, a trove of documents detailing Twitter's communications on censorship. Trump argued the files showed evidence of "fraud and deception" in the 2020 election and went on to argue parts of the Constitution should be terminated to address it.
It never ceases to fascinate me how liberals can happily overlook the obvious truth of big tech collusion to push the election to Biden, but then have a fit over a statement by Trump, the meaning of which is still unclear.
Big tech money and collusion had pushed the election to Trump. And the effort is still going on for 2024.
Context is everything, however 60+ court cases have already proved, without doubt, that the election was conducted as prescribed.
Unless of course we're trying to overlook the constitutional limitation on presidential terms...
A contention for which there is zero evidence.Quote:
Big tech money and collusion had pushed the election to Trump. And the effort is still going on for 2024.
Actually not, as I understand it, true. It has only shown that there was insufficient evidence for a court case to proceed. It certainly has not shown that the election was conducted properly. There is no doubt but that such an idea is untrue.Quote:
however 60+ court cases have already proved, without doubt, that the election was conducted as prescribed.
https://2020electionirregularities.com/
And that looks like a completely unbiased analyses of the vote...
Stats can be used to backup any line of reasoning given the right context.
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
I'd much prefer the American Bar site: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/p...aw/litigation/
The analysis was not of the vote. The analysis was of the news coverage and the collusion by much of the news media to bury the Hunter Biden laptop story in order to push for Biden's election.
So, generally pretty meaningless...Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
One of these days politicians will fight election battles on what THEY will do for the country and not continually trying to smear the opposing side..
All very juvenile school yard bullying.
Strange how everything that favored Biden is somehow "meaningless".Quote:
So, generally pretty meaningless...
Think you should go back and read the site you linked to.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Not to defend Trump's comment but I would argue that the violation of Constitution occurred de facto long before the 2020 elections .
As far as BigTech collusion ;please refer to my post about the Twitter files ,
The Twitter Files (askmehelpdesk.com)
Interesting, however what part of the Constitution do you see as being violated ?
We all know Social media algorithms create unnatural echo chambers for all uses, makes the sites more sticky.
It was not algorithms It was a conscious decision by Twitter's top exec censor in chief Vijay Gadde (Jack Dorsey allegedly was not aware this was happening ) who made the suppression decisions . This was a conscious decision to violate the 1st amendment protections of speech through the use of proxies . This included Gadde ;former FBI council James Baker ;who left the FBI to become Twitter's council .
Former Twitter global communications VP Brandon Borrman questioned “Can we truthfully claim that this is part of the policy?” Baker replied falsely “It’s reasonable for us to assume that they may have been [hacked] and that caution is warranted.”
Baker knew the laptop was authentic and in the hands of the FBI.
Emails throughout the Twitter world that are being released show that the censorship was in the word of one employee " f-ed"
Elon Musk releases Twitter's files on censorship of Post (nypost.com)
They went so far as suspending the account of White House Press Sec Kayleigh McEnany for linking to the NY Post article that broke the lap top story .
Had it been a public service but private communication company like the phone services that cut access to those who's politics they did not agree with then it would not have been tolerated and in fact a violation of the Constitution . But big tech ,which in today's world has surpassed in many instances the importance of the traditional communication infrastructure ,is permitted this outrageous censorship on behalf of the leviathan state .
Requests by the 2020 Quid Pro Joe campaign and the DNC was all that was required by big Tech to have routinely stopped others from discussing or hearing opposing views.
Doc.-45-First-Amended-Complaint.pdf (nclalegal.org)Quote:
Having threatened and cajoled social-media platforms for years to censor viewpoints and speakers disfavored by the Left, senior government officials in the Executive Branch have moved into a phase of open collusion with social-media companies to suppress disfavored speakers, viewpoints, and content on social-media platforms under the Orwellian guise of halting so-called “disinformation,” “misinformation,” and “malinformation.The aggressive censorship that Defendants have procured constitutes government action for at least five reasons: (1) absent federal intervention, common-law and statutory doctrines, as well as voluntary conduct and natural free-market forces, would have restrained the emergence ofcensorship and suppression of speech of disfavored speakers, content, and viewpoint on social media; and yet (2) through Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (CDA) and other actions, the federal government subsidized, fostered, encouraged, and empowered the creation of a small number of massive social-media companies with disproportionate ability to censor and suppress speech on the basis of speaker, content, and viewpoint; (3) such inducements as Section 230 and other legal benefits (such as the absence of antitrust enforcement) constitute an immensely valuable benefit to social-media platforms and incentive to do the bidding of federal officials; (4) federal officials—including, most notably, certain Defendants herein—have repeatedly and aggressively threatened to remove these legal benefits and impose other adverse consequences on social-media platforms if they do not aggressively censor and suppress disfavored speakers, content, and viewpoints on their platforms; and (5) Defendants herein, colluding and coordinating with each other, have also directly coordinated and colluded with social-media platforms to identify disfavored speakers, viewpoints, and content and thus have procured the actual censorship and suppression of the freedom of speech.
Ben I will move my Twitter posting here to consolidate You can close my posting so there is no duplication
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The Twitter Files
Musk is releasing proof of how Twitter and big tech colluded with Quid Pro Joe to rig the 2020 elections by suppressing the content of the Hunter Biden laptop
Just a reminder of one of the key texts that was on the computer .
“I hope you all can do what I did and pay for everything for this entire family for 30 years. It’s really hard. But don’t worry, unlike Pop, I won’t make you give me half of your salary.”(Hunter Biden, text message to daughter Naomi, 2019)
China, Ukraine and Russia threw millions of dollars to the Biden Crime Family .“The Big Guy” got 10 percent.
What is missing from the files to date is the role of the Intel community that lied to America and called the laptop Russian disinformation. What is also missing is the FBI; having the laptop in their possession ,slow walked the Hunter Biden investigation past the 2020 election and even past the 2022 .
These agencies of the government gave cover to the deep state selected candidate . Yes the deep state was involved . It selected Clueless Joe to be the Dem standard bearer after Bolshevik Bernie was winning all the early primaries . Then Rep of South Carolina James Clayborn spoke up for the deep state and gave the nod to Joe . It is no surprise that Joe is taking steps to ensure that states like Iowa and New Hampshire will no longer hold the early Dem primaries /caucus .
The compliant press ,especially taxpayer supported NPR also participated in the cover up with managing editor Terence Samuel saying “We don’t want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories, and we don’t want to waste the listeners’ and readers’ time on stories that are just pure distractions”
A presidential election ongoing and the national public radio station did not want to "waste time" on a major story about one of the candidates . No collusion there </sarc>
The crackhead whore mongering son of the VP was doing very well for himself as he navigated the world of international business . Who was the bigger whoremonger ....Hunter or the 'Big Guy ' ?
Ben here is the exact quote pulled from 'Truth'
@realDonaldTrump's post | Truth SocialQuote:
So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great “Founders” did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!
The compliant press was for all practical purposes ignoring the Twitter drop . Trump's comments lit a fire ...... mission accomplished .
I don't link sites I haven't read.Quote:
Think you should go back and read the site you linked to.
It's hard to reason with people who see everything through "I despise Trump" lenses. Any and all activities are acceptable so long as they assist in bringing the former pres down.
The sad thing about it all is that those people who led the anti-Trump collusion in the media will not be held accountable and life will go on as before.
I said that as there is far more information about the election and not Biden's laptop.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I don't despise or even Anti, prefer a more measured and level playing field, with multiple sources that can be verified.
Hearsay is great, but actual irrefutable evidence wins every time.
I think for the anti-Trumpers, evidence never rises to the level of being irrefutable.
Which Big Tech company supported Trump in 2020 and now ?Quote:
Big tech money and collusion had pushed the election to Trump. And the effort is still going on for 2024.
Dunno, when you use the term Big Tech, do you really mean the main stream Social sites or actual all of the tech sector including the computer manufactures ?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Unfortunately that can so easily apply to anti-Bidens as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
See how partisanship works ?
correct . the majority of the cases were decided on issues of "standing " or denied without opinion by the court .Quote:
Actually not, as I understand it, true. It has only shown that there was insufficient evidence for a court case to proceed.
This was true especially in SCOTUS where the justices (mostly correct in my view ) did not want to deal with Presidential election disputes because that is not a legitimate role of the courts . Clarence Thomas opposed their decisions but recent justices appointed by Trump sided with the court (Kavanaugh and Barrett) .
The court getting involved in the 2000 election after the Goracle filed suit was the mistake that opened the barn door . Presidential elections are state run and there should be very little involvement at the national level either legislative or judicial .
Fair enough observation. The evidence has pointed to Facebook, Twitter, and several big media news sites. The burying of the HB laptop story unquestionably (irrefutably) affected a close race in favor of Biden. It's very troubling that the FBI was orchestrating much of this.Quote:
Dunno, when you use the term Big Tech, do you really mean the main stream Social sites or actual all of the tech sector including the computer manufactures ?
Do you really believe that the American people at large give a care what the Ivory Tower dwellers do, without the associated spin ?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
If that was the case why are there so many multi-millionaires in either house.
I know that the pursuant of money represents the American Dream, but really...
If the American people would not have cared, then why do you suppose the story was buried? Would we have cared that a candidate for pres's son was engaged in illegal activity with a foreign government and daddy Biden was lying about his involvement in it? Ya think?Quote:
Do you really believe that the American people at large give a care what the Ivory Tower dwellers do, without the associated spin ?
Was it purposely buried or was it merely the grand Social echo chamber at work ??
Look at how often trending items change on Twitter..
People just got bored of it all. They know the inhabitants of the Hill are generally crooks, so just chalked it up to that, or another attack story in the political arena.
I thought you were keeping up with this.Quote:
Was it purposely buried or was it merely the grand Social echo chamber at work ??
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/12...aptop-1314472/
https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-held-week...134909110.html
Nope, don't trust politicos as far as I could throw them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yahoo.com is a "politico"??? On what planet?
Not yahoo, the actual politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
We know they are using their contacts to their own ends, and bending, if not breaking laws on route.
So since Biden is guilty, then everyone must be guilty? That seems like a philosophy of convenience.
It is confirmed even the compliant press admits it now
CBS news correspondent Catherine Herridge reported that she was able to confirm the authenticity of data in Hunter Biden’s former laptop.
Copy of what's believed to be Hunter Biden's laptop data turned over by repair shop to FBI showed no tampering, analysis says - CBS News
Hunter Biden Paid Tax Bill, but Federal Investigation Goes On - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Hard drive containing Hunter Biden laptop data examined by two forensic experts - The Washington Post
Elon Musk is the latest , What he is doing is opening to the public Twiitter's role in the cover up .
He has been giving them to columnist Matt Taibbi who has been releasing then piece by piece in his Twitter post . It is not really the best way to make Twitter's role public and it can be tedious to follow ; but here it is with the promise of more to be released
Matt Taibbi on Twitter: "1. Thread: THE TWITTER FILES" / Twitter
The point is that it is now an irrefutable fact that the administration pressured ;and the press and big tech social platforms willing and /or unwillingly went along with a de-facto censoring of news that had a direct bearing on the 2020 Presidential race .
Show me an honest politician....Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Show me a totally honest anyone.
And if that can be referred to as "meaningless", then the word has itself become meaningless.Quote:
The point is that it is now an irrefutable fact that the administration pressured ;and the press and big tech social platforms willing and /or unwillingly went along with a de-facto censoring of news that had a direct bearing on the 2020 Presidential race .
Unethical for sure, however is that unconstitutional ?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Well, at least it now seems to be accepted as meaningful, even if being merely "unethical" is, it appears, OK.
As we were talking about the recent utterance by Mr Trump, you dragged this towards Biden's laptop and Twitter/FBI burying the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Tom mentioned constitution violations, without any further details, and I was interested to know what they are.
So, I ask again, is this unconstitutional and would it be the root of Mr Trump's recent ire ?
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