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    Dec 5, 2022, 04:00 AM
    The Twitter Files
    Musk is releasing proof of how Twitter and big tech colluded with Quid Pro Joe to rig the 2020 elections by suppressing the content of the Hunter Biden laptop

    Just a reminder of one of the key texts that was on the computer .

    “I hope you all can do what I did and pay for everything for this entire family for 30 years. It’s really hard. But don’t worry, unlike Pop, I won’t make you give me half of your salary.”(Hunter Biden, text message to daughter Naomi, 2019)

    China, Ukraine and Russia threw millions of dollars to the Biden Crime Family .“The Big Guy” got 10 percent.

    What is missing from the files to date is the role of the Intel community that lied to America and called the laptop Russian disinformation. What is also missing is the FBI; having the laptop in their possession ,slow walked the Hunter Biden investigation past the 2020 election and even past the 2022 .

    These agencies of the government gave cover to the deep state selected candidate . Yes the deep state was involved . It selected Clueless Joe to be the Dem standard bearer after Bolshevik Bernie was winning all the early primaries . Then Rep of South Carolina James Clayborn spoke up for the deep state and gave the nod to Joe . It is no surprise that Joe is taking steps to ensure that states like Iowa and New Hampshire will no longer hold the early Dem primaries /caucus .

    The compliant press ,especially taxpayer supported NPR also participated in the cover up with managing editor Terence Samuel saying “We don’t want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories, and we don’t want to waste the listeners’ and readers’ time on stories that are just pure distractions”

    A presidential election ongoing and the national public radio station did not want to "waste time" on a major story about one of the candidates . No collusion there </sarc>

    The crackhead whore mongering son of the VP was doing very well for himself as he navigated the world of international business . Who was the bigger whoremonger ....Hunter or the 'Big Guy ' ?
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    Dec 5, 2022, 05:57 AM
    Please close this and make all related comments here

    Trump's call for 'end' of constitution condemned... (askmehelpdesk.com)
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    Dec 8, 2022, 05:30 AM
    I am reopening discussion .

    It was notable that what was missing from the initial release of the Twitter suppression of the Hunter Biden scandal was the role the FBI played in the suppression . They conta cted and pressured Big Tech platforms to censor the news on the grounds of what they knew was a lie ;that the laptop was the product of Russian disinformation.

    The reason those exchanges were not in the release was because former FBI council James Baker ;who was a key player in the Russian collusion hoax and FBI coup attempt against Trump ,had been hired by the previous ownership of Twitter ..


    He took it upon himself to "vet" the release without Musk knowing about it . NY Post New York Post's Miranda Devine who was the first to report on the laptop October 2020 noted the discrepancy. Musk determined that Baker's explanation for the coverup was unconvicing so he canned Baker .


    Elon Musk on Twitter: "@mtaibbi In light of concerns about Baker’s possible role in suppression of information important to the public dialogue, he was exited from Twitter today" / Twitter

    Reminder . Baker was part of Durham's indictment of Sussman . When Sussmann wanted to plant the bizarre false claim of secret communications between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin, Baker was his go to, speed dial contact. When Comey resigned from the FBI and Christopher Wray assumed directorship ,Baker was forced to resign from the FBI.

    He was hired by Twitter . Quid Pro Joe's team reached out to suppress the story ;and Baker acting as a Twitter council was eager to comply .

    When asked Twitter execs involved in internal content vetting if it was proper to suppress the story Baker replied “it’s reasonable for us to assume that they may have been [hacked] and that caution is warranted.”

    He knew that was a lie . He had been at the FBI and knew that the FBI had already authenticated the laptop.

    He also was hired by the Brookings Institution which also played a key role in the Russia collusion hoax.

    At Twitter the FBI held weekly meetings warning them of an impending hack and dump effort by the Russians about Hunter Biden before the Post story . They had Baker on the inside at Twitter and when the Post story was published Baker was ready to pounce and suppress it .
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    Dec 8, 2022, 06:09 AM
    We need a dozen more versions of Musk. As shocking as this is, it will be fussed over for a few weeks and then largely forgotten.
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    Dec 8, 2022, 06:40 AM
    The problem is that it is not shocking . EVERYONE knew the truth and were content with it . The only thing that mattered was to defeat Trump at all cost. That was true in 2016 ;2020 and 2022 , You watch . There will be hearings over all this stuff that will amount to nothing .

    Yertle and his wife Elaine Chao dip their beaks in the same China trough as the Biden crime family . 2004 they had a fortune of about $3.1 million . Chao became Transportation Sec and the Yertl Senate confirmed her appointment .

    Between then and now while both served the nation their wealth increased to the $30 million range (hard to tell exactly because Elaine's dad "gifted " Yertle about $25 million ) .

    The Chao family has had close ties to Communist China through Foremost Group ,the shipping company that Elaine's father James formed in 1964 . He was a classmate of former Chinese Premier Jiang Zemin . Elaine was employed there in the 1970s .The company does a lot of business with state controlled China State Shipbuilding Corp. (CSSC),CSSC's main business is with the People's Liberation Navy ( PLN) .
    Through family ties 2 top US officials (Senator and Transportation Sec) did business with the Chinese Navy .

    Trump has accused Yertle of enriching himself through the China relationship . That partly explains the animosity between the 2.
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    Dec 13, 2022, 06:40 AM
    The 'Twitter files 'as this doc dump has been called exposed the lengths the FBI went to suppress the laptop story prior to the 2020 election.

    The FBI took possession of the laptop Dec 2019 . This was in connection with their investigation of Hunter's money laundering . The content of the laptop has been independently verified by 3 compliant press organizations ...the Slimes ;Compost ,and CBS News.

    Rudy got his hands on a copy of the laptop content in the summer of 2020 . It was reasonable to assume that he would release the content to media outlets. So the FBI went to work.

    They began warning big tech sites like Twitter and Fakebook to be aware of a possible Russian disinformation campaign around a "hack " involving propaganda information about Hunter .

    The Quid Pro Joe machine went to work discrediting information about Hunter and the Biden crime family.

    Oct 14 the NY Post publishes clear proof from the lap top to dispute claims by Quid that “I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings.”
    Twitter and Fakebook limited distribution of the Post article on the grounds that it could be hacked material.]

    Former FBI council and key player in the Russia hoax coup attempt against Trump;James Baker ;was embedded in Twitter as the company’s deputy general counsel advised Twitter personnel in charge of vetting that “it’s reasonable for us to assume that they may have been [hacked] and that caution is warranted.”
    There can be little doubt that the compliant press got similar warnings from the FBI . They went into overtime in their efforts to suppress the story.

    Congressional Dems who tried everything in their power to remove Trump from office like Adam Schiffhead taking their cue from the FBI narrative immediately called the laptop story Russian propaganda. Then the intel agencies got into the act calling the story Russian propaganda.

    This was an orchestrated campaign of suppression of news that could've impacted the election.Quid used the letter generated by the intel people in his debate with Trump to end discussion of the issue during the debate.

    We are to believe that Quid never spoke to Christopher Wray or Merrick Garland about the authenticity of the laptop or even asked Hunter if he indeed forgot to pick up his laptop from the repair shop or even if Hunter was aware if it was missing .

    So how involved was the FBI in censorship by proxy ? According to the Twitter files they were 'partners ' in the effort.
    Twitter's moderation decisions during this time period increasingly relied on input from the FBI and DHS. In internal Slack conversations, Twitter policy director Nick Pickles floated the idea of publicly admitting that the company's misinformation policies were partly based on feedback from experts in law enforcement; he eventually decided just to call them "partnerships."
    Other Slack messages suggest that Roth met regularly, even weekly, with the FBI and DHS. The FBI also reported tweets for spreading election misinformation, sometimes prompting Twitter to take action.
    Twitter Files: FBI, DHS Reported Tweets for Election Misinformation (reason.com)


    This is a clever work-around for violating the 1st amendment that needs to be addressed .
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    Dec 13, 2022, 07:01 AM
    This also begs the question about what role the government had in "partnership" with big tech to suppress opposition to draconian covid restrictions and covid related content that went contrary to the government approved narrative .
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    Dec 13, 2022, 08:30 AM
    Just to make matters clear, the top liberal news organizations are completely silent about this issue. CNN makes no mention of it, but does find space to say, "There's a sense that Trump is approaching a moment of maximum legal peril." ABC news likewise does not mention it, but could mention a story about a Famed Hollywood mountain lion being captured after killing a dog. MSNBC does mention it, but only in a way that ends up being critical of, of course, Elon Musk.
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    Dec 14, 2022, 04:50 AM
    The files released reveal that former CEO Jack Dorsey repeatedly lied under oath to Congress. Pa. Dem Rep Mike Doyle asked him "Social media is being rigged to censor conservatives. Is that true of Twitter?" He replied no . Doyle asked if Twitter was censoring people . Again Dorsey denied it .Twitter’s shadow-banning prominent Republicans… is that true?" Dorsey replied no. He was asked if Twitter was acting as a surrogate to the government to do what government cannot legally do itself . Again Dorsey denied it .


    Jack Dorsey told Congress under oath Twitter was not shadow-banning (nypost.com)

    Twitter referred to its shadowbanning as “Visibility Filtering,(VF) Where it would “block searches of individual users; to limit the scope of a particular tweet’s discoverability; to block select users’ posts from ever appearing on the ‘trending’ page, and from inclusion in hashtag searches"

    Bari Weiss on Twitter: "9. “VF” refers to Twitter’s control over user visibility. It used VF to block searches of individual users; to limit the scope of a particular tweet’s discoverability; to block select users’ posts from ever appearing on the “trending” page; and from inclusion in hashtag searches." / Twitter
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    Dec 14, 2022, 06:33 AM
    Just to make matters clear, the top liberal news organizations are completely silent about this issue. CNN makes no mention of it, but does find space to say, "There's a sense that Trump is approaching a moment of maximum legal peril." ABC news likewise does not mention it, but could mention a story about a Famed Hollywood mountain lion being captured after killing a dog. MSNBC does mention it, but only in a way that ends up being critical of, of course, Elon Musk.
    WSJ addressed this

    Our press would bring these stories to light if it could refute them, but it can’t so it ignores them. And no, Twitter and Substack aren’t a substitute for institutions that can deploy teams of reporters and substantial resources to investigations.
    The point has long since stopped being whose ox is gored, Mr. Trump’s or Mr. Biden’s. American voters whatever their sympathies don’t want their government and media lying to them to shape their political choices. (Put aside lying in a way that falsely incriminates a nuclear-armed hostile power as trying to fix a U.S. election on behalf of one of the candidates—an element of this episode that none want to confront. )
    The election is over; the truth is kept from you now to protect the guilty, not to save the country from the supposed menace of Trumpism. In a different universe far, far away—that is, America pre-Donald Trump—a conscientious press would be reporting the hell out of all this.
    Hunter Biden’s Laptop and 2020’s First Big Lie - WSJ
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    Dec 14, 2022, 07:54 AM
    Adam Schiffhead and Rep Takano wrote a letter to Musk demanding that he censor what they call 'hate speech' This they sent on official Congressional letter head

    Letter to Twitter 12/8/22 (house.gov)

    Musk countered that there is no increase in so called hate speech since he assumed control .

    Elon Musk on Twitter: "@RepAdamSchiff @RepMarkTakano False, hate speech impressions are actually down by 1/3 for Twitter now vs prior to acquisition @CommunityNotes" / Twitter

    What he could've mentioned was that the very purpose of the 1st Amendment was specifically to prevent Congress from regulating speech. This is a clear case of a work around by Congress to violate the Bill of Rights. This will be followed by "jawboning" ;implying punitive action if Musk does not toe the line.
    Jawboning against Speech | Cato Institute

    Whatever censorship Twitter imposes on it's users is between Twitter and it's users . The government has no role and coercion is completely against the 1st amendment .
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    Dec 14, 2022, 11:06 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Adam Schiffhead and Rep Takano wrote a letter to Musk demanding that he censor what they call 'hate speech' This they sent on official Congressional letter head
    Absolutely FALSE! There was no demand to censor stated in Schiff's letter.

    This will be followed by "jawboning" ;implying punitive action if Musk does not toe the line.
    Jawboning against Speech | Cato Institute

    The final sentence of the Cato link:

    Ultimately, congressional rulemaking and the people’s selection of liberal, temperate officials remain the only reliable checks on this novel threat to free speech.

    Note Cato's solution - LIBERAL officials.
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    Dec 14, 2022, 11:54 AM
    The letter is posted below. Big question for me is, how is it any of their business?

    Dear Mr. Musk:
    As Members of Congress, we are deeply concerned about the recent rise in hate speech on Twitter. Analysis by independent researchers indicates Twitter has become an increasingly toxic place for our constituents, and we are reaching out to you to understand the actions Twitter is taking to combat this increase in harmful content.
    Although you tweeted that one of your goals as Chief Executive Officer of Twitter was strong content moderation on the platform, the results of your leadership have been the opposite. Multiple reports have shown that since you became CEO in late October, hate speech has dramatically increased on Twitter. Under your leadership, there has been an extreme spike in the number of tweets that include slurs, the level of engagement with these tweets, and the popularity of spreading this harmful rhetoric.
    According to the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH), the number of tweets containing slurs has grown since you have become CEO compared to the 2022 average. Slurs against Black people have tripled in daily mentions. Slurs against women have increased 33 percent from the 2022 average mentions, and slurs against gay men have increased by 58 percent. Before you assumed the role of CEO, engagement with these tweets averaged 13.3 replies, retweets, or likes. Now, engagement with slurs has increased 273 percent, with the average number of replies, retweets, or likes averaging 49.5 on tweets containing hate speech.
    Of particular concern to us is the rise in anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric on Twitter under your supervision. Based on data analysis, anti-LGBTQ+ extremists are picking up followers at quadruple the pace since the change in leadership.5 With increased followers, these actors are seeing wider circulation of their hateful tweets on the platform, which we fear might spark even more real-world violence against the LGBTQ+ community.
    After the Colorado Springs Shooting, in which the LGBTQ+ community was specifically targeted, we saw anti-LGBTQ+ hate become viral on Twitter. Research found that tweets from prominent extremists have been “viewed tens of millions of times in the wake of the Colorado Springs Shooting” and that just 20 of the most prominent hateful tweets “can be estimated to have picked up a total of 35 million views.” You tweeted that the “New Twitter policy is freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted & demonetized” but we have yet to see any evidence of follow-through on Twitter.
    We have also seen a significant increase in antisemitism on the platform. The Anti-Defamation League recently found that there was a “61.3% increase in the volume of tweets (excluding retweets) referencing ‘Jews’ or ‘Judaism’ with an antisemitic sentiment” since you became CEO. Simultaneously, Twitter has decreased its content moderation, as researchers found that Twitter went from “taking action on 60% of antisemitic tweets to taking action on only 30%.” We are glad to see you have suspended Ye’s account following his antisemitic posts, but this step must be paired with further decisive and preventative action from your platform.
    We find the rise of extremist actors and hate speech on Twitter demonstrably at odds with your company’s statement that human safety is a “top priority”. And despite your assertion that there has been a decline in “hate speech impressions” from the “pre-spike levels,” you have not provided data showing how you are measuring hate speech that would allow outside researchers to validate your assessment. In direct contrast, CCDH’s social media analytic tools found that the number of tweets containing slurs and engagements are still above the average 2022 levels. It appears that a byproduct of your company’s “embracing public testing” approach is harm to your users.
    With rapidly changing and unclear policies on content moderation on Twitter, amid documented negative trends and public evidence, we are concerned about the individual and community harm arising from Twitter, including how that could spill from online into real life. We are seeking further information about your plans for content moderation and the capability of your workforce to implement and enforce your policies.
    As part of our ongoing oversight efforts, we request answers to the following questions, as well as a briefing to discuss other areas of oversight:


    • What steps is your company taking in response to the recent rise in hate speech on your platform and how do you plan to make these decisions available to the public? Additionally, what is your timeline for rolling out any of these changes?
    • Your company has stated that human safety is a priority, but anti-LGBTQ rhetoric has increased since the Colorado Springs Shooting. We have also seen a distinct rise in antisemitism on the platform. What is Twitter’s plan to increase safety for its users, and more specifically the LGBTQ+ community and the Jewish community?
    • What is the current process for enforcing content moderation on your platform? How do you plan to make these processes transparent and available to the public and researchers?
    • With the recent drastic reduction in the number of Twitter employees, including specialist content moderators, engineers, and safety team members, what is your company’s current capability and capacity to handle the risks arising from the extreme rise in hate speech, hate actors and the growth of hate communities? What is the current risk-assessment process and response timeline for viral hate speech and disinformation?


    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

    Sincerely,
    Adam Schiff
    Mark Takano
    Note that there is no concern expressed about Twitter's involvement with the FBI in slanting the information put out prior to the 2020 election, thus confirming yet again that disinformation is only a concern when it seems to damage liberals.
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    Dec 14, 2022, 12:06 PM
    Adam Schiff on Twitter: "On Elon Musk's Twitter: - Slurs against Black people have tripled - Slurs against women are up 33% - Slurs against Jewish people are up 61% - And slurs against gay men are up 58% These numbers are abysmal – and unacceptable. Today, @RepMarkTakano and I are demanding action." / Twitter
    Well then put that in your pipe and smoke it!
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    Dec 14, 2022, 12:13 PM
    To be fair, this is the link to a copy of the letter. I did not spot any demands in the letter itself.

    https://schiff.house.gov/imo/media/d...to_twitter.pdf
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    Dec 14, 2022, 12:50 PM
    yeah in the letter they just urge Musk to step up enforcement of it's hateful conduct policy

    Twitter's policy on hateful conduct | Twitter Help

    There is a clear implied threat if he does not take action they approve of. I did not see them say pretty please do this .They demand to know what he will do as a remedy to what they perceive is hate speech on Twitter and how soon will it take.

    They are doing so as Congressional Reps ,The Constitution is clear The 1st amendment prohibits Congress from abridging the freedom of speech,

    They are doing so by pressuring Musk to bow to their will.

    As the Cato Institute article states


    Government officials can use informal pressure—bullying, threatening, and cajoling—to sway the decisions of private platforms and limit the publication of disfavored speech,The use of this informal pressure, known as jawboning, is growing.
    Left unchecked, it threatens to become normalized as an extraconstitutional method of speech regulation.

    Jawboning against Speech | Policy Commons
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    Dec 14, 2022, 12:53 PM
    I just wonder how far away we are from Norway where people go to jail for three years for violating the state approved hate speech legislation. We should fight against this with vigor and tell the feds that they will not govern our free speech aside from traditional prohibitions against threats of violence or slander, or other traditional areas of law.
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    Dec 14, 2022, 01:32 PM
    even there SCOTUS gave tremendous latitude. Advocating criminal conduct is constitutionally protected unless it is both "directed" at inciting "imminent lawless action" and "likely" to do so.

    Brandenburg v. Ohio :: 395 U.S. 444 (1969) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center

    Now Musk on his own suspended the artist formerly known as Kayne West for antisemitic comments .

    Elon Musk suspends Ye's Twitter account after swastika post (cnbc.com)

    Schiffhead has no authority to compel it .
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    Dec 14, 2022, 01:37 PM
    the artist formerly known as Kayne West
    It just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

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