After the Tucson tragedy, President Obama urged a "new era of civility." He called on us to "pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds.” I hope he follows his own advice.


Donna Brazile apologized for "how my words, the vitriol and the anger I often feel toward those who might have disagreements, may have contributed to the decline in civility and public discourse."

Is this the new era of civility, or is it found in what Rep. Michael Capuano (D-Mass.) said on Tuesday? Capuano said, "Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary."

Perhaps it's in union thugs attacking 5' 1" women?

I guess he was just taking Capuano's remarks to heart. Where is this new era of civility?

Obama was demanding "Civility" from everyone but Democrats... they of course are encouraged to be as rude, threatening or just plain ignorant as they want to be.

And the civility just keeps coming. At AFSCME’s “solidarity” rally in Providence, RI another union thug attacked a cameraman, and threatened if he didn't leave, “I’ll f**k you in the a$$, you faggot!”

Now that wasn't very nice.

Hello Steve:

Please don't destroy the labor movement. Please stop brainwashing our senators. Please stop lying about health care. Please stop being so damn wrong.

Feel better?

excon

Sorry, saying please is no better than smiling while calling me a racist.

But, what labor movement? There is no labor movement and the left is lying through their teeth about what's going on in Wisconsin. No one is trying to bust PRIVATE sector unions. Public employee unions are another thing entirely, their main reason for existence was political, not saving workers from dangerous mining conditions. They had it pretty good already, and since my tax dollars pay their salary I don't particularly like that unions can negotiate how to spend my money.

Hello again, Steve:

Couple things. Obama called for civility. Apparently, you think that gives YOU license to hurl invectives, free of any response... Dude!

I'm not a fan of public service unions... And, I'd be right there with you, calling for them to sacrifice - IF you hadn't just handed the richest of the rich amongst us, a humongous tax cut... No sacrifice for them.

Our economic problems are NOT the garbage collectors fault... It's NOT the cop on the beats fault. It's NOT the teachers fault. Nope, it isn't. As long as the rich got theirs, why shouldn't the crossing guard get his?

excon

You are right OBAMA called for it... and none of the Democrats are showing much of it... ( and Obama certainly isn't practicing what he preaches), yet Republicans are expected to, alone... all by themselves..

Part of Wisconsins problems besides years of over generous handouts while the Democrats were in control is the high taxes that state has... thats driving business to move to other lower taxed states just to have a chance at being competitive.

Its common practice for states to offer incintives to get businesses to move to a state or convince them to not leave. So its not uncommon at all to give businesses a break when they need it. THe alternative is they pack up and move a thousand miles away or more... if they don't just close up shop altogether.

How about the 38% of the population that's not only not paying their share of the taxes... but getting money back they neve paid in taxes in the first place. Put a hault to that and you will get far more money than a handful of tax breaks to some businesses.

Besides.. do you think ANY business actually pays its taxes in the classic sense... they just jack up the prices and "pass it on" to their customers who end up paying it because they can't "pass it on" to anyone else.

Important factors and perspectives to keep in mind.

You say invective, I'm just calling them on their lies.

Hitler "abolished unions and that's what" Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is "doing today." -Wisconsin state Sen. Lena Taylor

And, look, what we're talking about is that the governor has cherry-picked what public workers he will subject to this so-called removal of their collective bargaining rights.The firefighters, the policemen and others who supported him in his election bid, well, guess what? They don't have to worry about their collective bargaining rights." -Donna Brazile

Neither do those who opposed him.

"Despite what you may have heard about Wisconsin’s finances, the state is on track to have a budget surplus this year. I am not kidding." -Rachel Maddow

"People who earn $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 a year might have 20 percent of their income just disappear overnight." -Ed Schultz

And my favorite, Gov. Walker is going to call out the National Guard on is people...

Governor Scott Walker is trying to ram through cuts to the health care and retirement benefits of Wisconsin nurses and teachers -- and take away their right to negotiate for decent benefits.

If that weren't shameful enough, Walker has threatened to call out the National Guard if workers protest against these cuts!

The Wisconsin State Senate is voting on Walker's plan this week. Can you call your State Senator and tell them to vote NO? Click here for the number and a script.

(After you've called, click here to tell us what you think about Gov. Walker's budget cuts and threats. We'll share these comments with the media -- and possibly use them in ads -- to help defeat this radical proposal.)

Walker’s willingness to pit the Wisconsin National Guard for a fight against nurses, teachers, and other public employees puts him firmly on the wrong side of history.

The idea that a governor can use the military to impose his personal, political will on the people he governs is a primitive relic of the past – one that resulted in almost a century of bloodshed in this country. The last time military force was used against workers was during the Memphis sanitation strike in 1968, just before Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s assassination. It must not be repeated again. -Progressive Change Campaign Committee

Lies, lies and fear mongering.

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And my favorite, Gov. Walker is going to call out the National Guard on is people....

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Hello again, Steve:

He DID send the cops to the homes of the Democrats... What was the cop going to do? Arrest the congressmen for not coming to work?? THAT, in and of itself, shows me that the governor doesn't understand the law.

excon

PS> I can't argue with you about what somebody else said. Will it make you feel better if I admit that all lefty's aren't as wonderful as me? Ok, they aren't.

HE did no such thing, the Republican head of the Senate sent state troopers in hopes of convincing them to return to perform their elected duties. At least Obama voted present, these guys are plain cowards.

Look, I have no problem with politics getting a little rough. I think it's fun and makes it interesting. I have a problem with BOTH sides getting ridiculous, and I have a HUGE problem with left-wingers hypocrisy on civility. I'm not going to be preached to on civility by people that have none.

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HE did no such thing, the Republican head of the Senate sent state troopers in hopes of convincing them to return to perform their elected duties.

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Hello again, Steve:

Ok, it was the other right winger... But the cop was sent there to convince?? A cop - with a GUN on his belt. A COP!! Sending a cop with a GUN on his side, means only ONE thing to me... Not to you, though. Do you also have a pair of the standard right wing blinders?? Dude!

excon

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Hello again, Steve:

Ok, it was the other right winger... But the cop was sent there to convince??? A cop - with a GUN on his belt. A COP!!! Sending a cop with a GUN on his side, means only ONE thing to me... Not to you, though. Do you also have a pair of the standard right wing blinders??? Dude!

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Dude, a cop with a gun on his belt usually means one thing to me, too. My brother is taking a break for dinner.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

And the civility just keeps coming. At AFSCME’s “solidarity” rally in Providence, RI another union thug attacked a cameraman, and threatened if he didn't leave, “I’ll f**k you in the a$$, you faggot!”

Now that wasn't very nice.

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Where are all the gay activist bloggers who are always weighing in on anti-gay rhetoric, threats and hate speech against gays?

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Where are all the gay activist bloggers who are always weighing in on anti-gay rhetoric, threats and hate speech against gays?

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That is so yesterday don't you find Tom?

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Originally Posted by paraclete

That is so yesterday don't you find Tom?

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Actuslly it seems commonplace in the youth of today at least here in the U.S. to use "gay" as a negative expression.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Actuslly it seems commonplace in the youth of today atleast here in the U.S. to use "gay" as a negative expression.

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In today's connotations I wouldn't say it was positive

Ex,
Don't forget O. offset the tax break for the rich with the tax increase on the poor.
tax.com: Obama and the GOP: United Against the Working Poor
What a guy!
Has he found those comfy shoes yet?
Remember this guy--see Earl Butz at wik. I won't link it-it's xrated and involves shoes.

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Where are all the gay activist bloggers who are always weighing in on anti-gay rhetoric, threats and hate speech against gays?

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I was wondering if anyone was going to mention that. They're all hanging out with the feminists that didn't get upset over Jerry Brown and NOW calling Meg Whitman a whore.

I guess "the new civility" means never having to answer for hipocracy... or anything else. As long as you are a card carrying lefty.

Hello again, smoothy:

Well, I'm just goddamned glad I didn't subscribe to this new era, so you can't accuse me. I LOVE name calling, and I ain't going to stop.

excon

It appears nobody else did either... or at least not more than a handfull scattered across the country. Assuming anyone is able to locate any to prove that ANYONE has.

More proof that the flocks of Obamies are abandoning the Cult of Obama daily.

About the only loyal followers that believe every word the man says appears to be the drive by media these days. I won't defame the word Journalists... because none of them act like journalists... because they are in reality Propagandists.

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Well, I'm just goddamned glad I didn't subscribe to this new era, so you can't accuse me. I LOVE name calling, and I ain't gonna stop.

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You can say that word here but not Cheney's first name? I love some good name calling, too. I'm not going to pretend to subscribe to some to new era of civility either... I'm not a hypocrite like those damned left-wingers. :D

This is a no troll zone

Not only have at least 18 Wisconsin Senators received death threats, Time Magazine apparently feels violent political imagery is fine in this "new era of civility."

Wisconsin's Governor Wins But Is He Still Dead Man Walker?

Apparently the new era of civility is just like the old one...

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Apparently the new era of civility is just like the old one...

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Hello again, Steve:

It is. You can't make people nice just because you want them to be nice. But, I'm perplexed. You don't think you have a corner on nice, do you??

Bwa, ha ha ha...

excon

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But, I'm perplexed. You don't think you have a corner on nice, do you???

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Nothing to laugh at, I enjoy getting into the rhetorical fight. No one has a corner on nice, but I'm damned tired of the liberal media and good progressives everywhere posing as moralists and preaching down their noses at me to play nice while ignoring their own thuggish behavior.

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preaching down their noses at me to play nice while ignoring their own thuggish behavior.

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Hello again, Steve:

I don't know, Steve. It sounds like YOU'RE the one preaching and acting all righteous when you call THESE guys thugs, and give a pass to the Tea Party for acting the way they did at the town hall's during the health care debate.

Face it. We're ALL a$$holes.

excon

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I don't know, Steve. It sounds like YOU'RE the one preaching and acting all righteous when you call THESE guys thugs

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Um, admitting I don't always play nice is acting righteous? Funny world you live in.

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and give a pass to the Tea Party for acting the way they did at the town hall's during the health care debate.

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What pass did I give?

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Face it. We're ALL a$$holes.

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No, I call a spade a spade even when I'm the spade. That's the difference between me and the thugs on the left, I admit my faults, they don't believe they have any.

P.S. This isn't about me.

Time for a civility update. Wisconsin union workers showed their civil side by tearing down an AFP tent with women and children inside (probably some of the 26,000 Michigan students out of school because teachers refuse to teach today)..



Good thing they aren't like that awful Tea Party.

Steven Crowder got the full union treatment today in Michigan as well... punched 4 times and yanked back by his collar to get some more abuse.



He probably deserved it though right? I have some close friends going to Michigan for Christmas, maybe they should reconsider considering the coming civil war Jimmy Hoffa apparently intends to wage.

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“This is just the first round of a battle that’s going to divide this state. We’re going to have a civil war,” Hoffa said on CNN’s “Newsroom.”

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Surely union thugs don't own guns do they?

Americans are crazy.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Americans are crazy.

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Nice to see you joining in the new era of civility.

No, I agree with Karma, there is much evidence to support the theory

Every single day on this forum there are multiple postings about the stupid, mean-spirited things that americans do to each other. Apparently there is an endless supply of material. No other citizens of any other country do that here. The place must be a cesspool.

I would agree Karma that they seem to have a strange approach to problem solving, everything must be wrapped in rhetoric and immersed in political correctness

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Every single day on this forum there are multiple postings about the stupid, mean-spirited things that americans do to each other. Apparently there is an endless supply of material. No other citizens of any other country do that here. The place must be a cesspool.

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Im guessing you have bnever heard of the rest of the world including the entire middle east ?

I'm talking about the postings in Current Events on this website.

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I'm talking about the postings in Current Events on this website.

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I understand. And being that most of us are from one country or another it doesn't represent the real world. Is america going crazy.. yes. So are many other countries. For us it is a matter of trying to make everyone happy. It never works and never will work.

Even in your home country there are problems of many flavors. Im not sure of the true root of it or if its just "our" world adjusting to technology. It seems anyone with an opinion can post everything about nothing. And too many are getting upset. Who knows where its all going to lead.

Nah, I think it's just a few that are full of hate and have access to a keyboard and the internet.

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Even in your home country there are problems of many flavors. Im not sure of the true root of it or if its just "our" world adjusting to technology. It seems anyone with an opinion can post everything about nothing. And too many are getting upset. Who knows where its all going to lead.

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An absolute reflection of this board and the world in general. The Muslims are revolting, well they are revolting anyway, The North Koreans are testing rockets, a falorn hope they might ever reach the USA, the Iranians are twisting the tail on the tiger, the americans are obscessed with jumping or falling off the cliff, the nutcases are obscessed with 12.21.12 forgetting the importance of 12.12.12, Are there problems in my country, it seems no one wants to talk about those, even if they have the drama of events in other places