Hello:
Those of us who supported Obama thought he was going to bring about the change he campaigned on. Those of you who opposed him thought he would too.
We were both wrong.
excon
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Hello:
Those of us who supported Obama thought he was going to bring about the change he campaigned on. Those of you who opposed him thought he would too.
We were both wrong.
excon
He brought change all right. The unemployment rate is at near record levels... our debt is now at record levels... he has made a laughing stockl out of our country.
And the arrogant SOB is obsessed with having his face and dumbo ears on the TV every day.
Any time he shows his face on TV I want to turn the channel. Thank GOD for cable TV I can find a channel he's NOT on spouting his BS and lies.
Hello smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Well, the economic debacle DID occur on Bush's watch... One can't forget that. Oh, I know you'd LIKE to forget it, but I'm going to remind you. And, I don't care how many times he's on TV. I just want him to CHANGE something, - like maybe firing the people at the SEC. The ones who STILL work there, who worked there while we were being ripped off, and they weren't paying attention...
Changes like that...
excon
Um... the Demcrats had the majority in both the house and the senate the last 2 years of Bushes term. And that's where the "Stumulus" debacle was written. Forget the actaul stats but the majority of democrats voted for it, while it was a minority of republicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Yeah Bush signed it ( a stupid mistake, he should have vetoed it)... but he wasn't solely responsible for it. Obama voted FOR it.
And it was Chris Dodd a democrat who chaired the Banking Committee during that period. And it Was Christ Dodd, Hillary Clinton and Obama who were the top three recipients of contributions from Wall Street.
Socialism is change... change we don't need or want.
Where are the calls to investigate Nancy Pelosi on what she knew and when she knew it...
She knew about Massa two years ago...
She was the one demanding the investigateion into the Mark Foley thing which is no different.
THIS is the most corrupt administration that we have had in at least the last century.
Why is he hiding ALL of his records... where is his birth Certificate... why are his college grades a national secret? If he was so smart and the brain the left claims... why is he hiding the proof he got higher than a 1.7 GPA.
This is the USA... you are entitled to the CHANCE to make your fortune... not to have it handed to you after its stolen from someone who earned it.
Lazy people aren't entitled to anything. They have to earn it like the rest of us. I made a LOT of sacrifices and hard work to get where I'm at now (no I'm not rich either)... they have to do the same.
Hello again, Smoothy:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the kind of stuff that I want him to change. I ain't no mouthpiece for the Democrats in congress.
excon
Releasing his records... and coming to terms that he is president... not the King... will be a good change to start with.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
As a former teacher (in parochial schools, not public), I'm watching what is happening with education and where Arne Duncan is going to take us. I firmly believe not everyone has to go to college to be a success. I am in favor of two years of some kind of required volunteer national service (R&B would be provided) -- military, social service, building houses, wildlife concerns -- after high school, or at least somewhere between ages 18 and 25.
High school has become elementary school, and college has become high school. Students are being taught remedial stuff in high school and even in college, stuff they should have learned in grade school. Students aren't being taught how to think, how to reason, how to analyze, how to use deduction. Bring back into elementary school the Palmer method, diagramming sentences, making an outline before writing a story or essay or term paper. Too many students want the easy way without much or any effort on their part. Hang out for a while on AMHD's Writing and Homework boards, and you will see what I mean.
*breaks down into wracking sobs*
Just to offer another view: that may be more attributed to the arrival of the internet versus bad schooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Oh, I agree... I saw that starting in the 70's, and yeah I did start college in late '79. THey have been dumbing things down for a long time rather than pushing them to learn more. I'm not teacher, nor would I make a good one. I don't have the patience for starters. But if they spent more time teaching them what needs to be taught.. and less time on political correctness. THey might learn more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
In my opinion the decline really became apparent when corporal punishment was outlawed.
That was the only effective way to control certain kids... they feared nothing but the embarrassment of a paddling.
I'm not dumping it on all the teachers... only some. It's their unions and the NEA that pushes their agenda ahead of actually educating the kids as a priority. And even the good teachers are hobbled by a left leaning curriculum they are required to follow.
I disagree. The decline began in the late '60s when women went to work, and parenting and family life changed. People got greedy, and capitalism fed that greed.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Well I am young enough to have not noticed that then... plus I was in a fairly reserved area... I did see a rapid slide happening right at the point of Pollitical correctness rearing its ugly head... then the lack of control and discipline when kids basically doing what they want when they wanted... because nothing intimidated them.
You may very well be right about it starting in the late 60's. I was just unable to see it from my perspective due to my age, I'm 48 now, so I was in the system at that time, so that's the norm baseline I grew up knowing. There were very few younger teachers when I was in school, so you had older generation teachers doing things the old way... and we basically learned to do the schoolwork that was required... and heaven forbid we didn't. Maybe I was in one of the later holdout areas.
PS.. I do know when my younger brother came through a few years later... there had been big changes from when I attended.
I've got a few years on you and have watched the changes. I know that the events of the late '60s (many producing good changes and improvements to our lives) turned American life on its head. Unfortunately, bad came with the good. I thank God every day I was taught by my parents and teachers how to think, how not to be bored, how to write thank-you notes and professional business letters, how to diagram a sentence and make a useful outline before writing something, how to appreciate great art and music, how to correctly sew on a button and hem a dress or pants, how to bake cookies or make an entire meal from scratch, how to balance a checkbook, and how to engage a roomful of adults or children. And most of that was taught to me (and all of my friends and classmates) at home by parents. Does that sort of thing happen any more at home and/or at school?
It did in my house too. But I seriously doubt it is in most places these days... listening to what kids think they are owed I believe teaching those things at home is a lost art.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And as a guy I did learn to cook, do my laundry, do basic mending, sew buttons back on, Hemming my pants... because in those days they came in long or short and you had to hem to length, and it cost a fortune to pay someone else to do it... and that any bachelor should know how to do anything he needs to survive.
Yeah.. I learned how to do plumbing, electrical work, carpendery, mechanical work... etc as well. Because what YOU were able to do, you didn't have to pay someone else to do... and that's money you could save for yourself.
He only promised change in the process ;he was the post partisan politician. That's how he advertised himself .
The fact that those of us who actually dug into the limited public record that was available ;doing the job that the "free press " refused to ,brought us to surmise his true goals.
Btw ;read my signature quote from his book .It says a lot.
I guess we lucked out in his inability and ,frankly desire ,to do the hard work necessary to match his ambitions. I should be happy I guess that he handed off his agenda to the likes of the fools on the Hill ,and the overy ambitious David Axelrod (I'll give Rhambo a pass for this thred because I think he understands that the change that is the agena should've been incremental) .
What really would floor me if it weren't so hilarious is that now he is doing his one true love ;campaigning . However , his biggest argument to the masses is not the utopian balloons he flated in 2008 . He has resorted to Republican rhetoric .
He isn't selling a single payer socialized government takeover anymore ;even though he has been clear in the past that is his desire.
He instead uses language like...
“choice”
“competition,”
"reduce government control,”
“give you more control over your own health insurance.”
It's all a lie of course .The language of all the bills passed so far is clearly a move for more direct government control . But the rhetoric sounds good on the campaign trail....and like all good Alinskyites ;he has singled out a target to demonize...the insurance companies.
As for the financial "crisis " ...all the players from the previous adm. sans Paulson are still in goverment hire .
Ex ;you sound like a tea-party guy !!
Forget the regulators ,they were doing the desires of the administrations in power for the last 16 years . Why is it that Dodd on the eve of his retirement is floating a watered down version of "reform " ?
The answer is that despite the flaming rhetoric and faux outrage, the people in power are content with the status quo.
Wondergirl ;I fully agree with you and if I can I'll find my recent comments on the state of the higher education system I'll link them.
Edit : found them here
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...on-454823.html
I believe he said today that Obamacare would lower insurance costs by 3000 percent. Nice trick if you can do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Oh, it might for Chicago inner city slum dwellers... because he wants those of us who worked hard to become a success to pay not only for our own... but for all the inner city high school dropouts and drug dealers too.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The quote:
Obviously math is not this deficit hawk's strong suit.Quote:
How many people are getting insurance through their jobs right now? Raise your hands. All right, well, a lot of those folks, your employer, it’s estimated, would see premiums fall by as much as 3000%, which means they could give you a raise!
Sure ,most employers when given the option of dumping their employee's plan when a "public option" becomes available would gladly exercise it. (yes I know the Senate version drops it but it will be put back in reconciliation).Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/03/15...iliation-bill/
Under those circumstances their premium payout may well drop at that rate ,but the price of health coverage will not change.
Hello tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Burdening employers with the cost of health care for their employees WAS a good idea once. But, it puts our industry at a great disadvantage in the worldwide marketplace. Seems like you righty's would LIKE an even playing field in the world. I would. Don't our cars have something like $1,800 built in to them from the get go from medical expenses?? I think they do. Their competitors don't. Hmmmm... I wonder if that has anything to do with the meltdown in Detroit?? Nahhhh.
However, I don't believe a public option will make it into the bill.
excon
Ex if it's the cost of markups due to union contracts and their effect on our competitive advantage you are referring to then that is a separate issue . Nothing mandates that they get benefits far exceeding most of the rest of the American workforce .
You watch... now that GM is Government Motors I can almost guarantee the "employer " is going to go hardline when the negotiations for new contracts happen.
You get what you pay for... if they expect to have massive savings... its going to come from an even more massive reduction of benefits. Get cancer... you have to wait 18 months for treatment... have a heart attack... take a number and if you are still breathing in a few months we will get to you. THe Canadian Prime Minister flew to Florida for heart surgery rather than go to a Canadian hospital... what does THAT tell you.
Nobody who has actually seen socialized medicine overseas after knowing what we have here wants anything to do with it.
I've seen it first hand... I've been in European hospitals. I've had friends and family die in them when if they were here they most likely would have survived.
European hospitals scare the hell out of me... and for good reason.
SOME doctors might be fine... but they have a lot of idiots too, and the system is so screwed up Stephen King would have a hard time dreaming it up.
One can only hope a very aggressive form of crotch cancer afflicts everyone who voted for Socilized healthcare.
And yeah I do mean that... I didn't make the sacrificed to go to college, and no I got NO help from the government, and my family was too poor to help, so some Blowhard from Chicago can steal MY hard earned money to subsidize a inner city High School dropouts healthcare. Because heaven forbid... THEY make any sacrifices to get their own.
Such a sweet thing to say, let me guess, you count yourself as religious as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Hey do you remember your first thread here? https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/family...re-126597.html
I will never experience that in my life. Neat eh?
Had totally forgotten about that one... the problem wasn't the insurance company... but that medical practice, mostly the office manager there. I need to go back and make sure I completed that thread as to what happened in the end.
It got paid... without the help of the office manager idiot at the Doctors office. The physicians at the practice I use no longer refer ANY patients to them... my bad experience with them wasn't isolated at all it seems. Others had similar horror stories. Good Doctor... with a horrific support staff working out of an equally bad medical center. You know Karma... "what goes around comes around." THey got a bad rep in the local medical circles... going to be hard for them to get away from that since there are plenty of other places to get the same thing around here.
Nobody who praises the Canadian or UK health system... even the EEU ones... have actually ever experienced them, or been able to compare them to what we have here, now. I've seen it in Europe... I've grown up with it here. You don't want to be in a European Hospital if you could be in one here instad. I have a number of relatives, and friends who are no longer among the living as a direct result of Socialized medicine.
The politicians lie... profusely about everything... and there are a certain number of idiots that blindly believe weverything they are told... because all good socialists believe what they are told by the Party leaders. How else would that idiot have gotten elected... He's never had a real job his entire life. So how did he get his millions? And yeah... he has millions. Nothing he ever did paid that sort of money.
Yes, everyone lies, except your guys. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
You should help answer the questions in the Health and Wellness boards here. It might open up your eyes a bit. You might also see your physician re: paranoia.
Not hardly... you need to see what's really in that bill... no you won't here in on the mainstream media... they love socialism.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Ever wonder why it took place with such secrecy.. outside of public view...
Ever wonder why there was absolutely NO transparency since the Messiah was voted into office with the help of ACORN through fraud...
Ever wonder, why Nancy Pelosi was saying we have to vote for this bill so we can find out what's in it? You have heard her saying that in those words... haven't you?
You know about the Cornhusker kickback... the Lousiziana Purchase, and the buyouts to Fla. That in the that bill... HUGE ammounts of OUR money paid in bribes for a couple votes in that senate bill... and yeah they are still there...
Don't look to hear what's really in it on CNN...
Hell, its NOT paranoia that Obamas records are still sealed... his records from his time in Illinois... ALL his school records... everything, birth Certificate, everything. Sealed... why, what's he hiding... The FIRST president to hide everything... why? What's he afraid we might see? That he never attended those schools... that he fluncked out... that he barely passed IF he passed at all?
If he was so damn smart, if his grades were so good... you'd think he would be proud to show them... not hide them.
Personally... I think wefare bums should be forced to work... no free anything. The only people who should get anything are the seriouslty handicapped... and those poor soles of limited intelligence. However willful stupidity is a choice... and shouldn't be rewarded.
Drop out of school... tough, your choice, you live with it... no handouts of any type. Those are limited to people who completed high school.
Have 5 kids from 5 different fathers... tough... make them pay for them... not us. No free abortion... use a condom or live with your choices.
I have to work... so should they.
Hello Smoothy:
You're a birther. That explains it all.
excon
And if he produced them, you certainly wouldn't say, "Gee, it's so easy nowadays with computers and word processing. He printed them all out in the dark of night in the basement of the White House. They're fake."Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Actually, thanks for reminding me of that one... I failed to do the final follow-up. Which I now did. Even if its WAYYYYYYY late. Better than leaving it hanging. Somehow I had totally forgotten to do this back then.
IF they were produced, before the election... there would be no taint to them... anything that's produced this late and after so much complaint... would be subject to increased critisim and distrust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
If he was such a consummate politician... he would have known every action a politician takes has a consequence.
If they had been produced early on during campaigning... then there would not have been an issue.
Look what John Kerry did... blowviating about how smart he was and how dumb Bush was... only to find out after the election he was hiding his records because his grades were even lower than Bushes were.
See where I am going there... if they were worthy of being proud of... why are they being hidden. After all his whoreshippers spout how infinately wise and smart he is... so lets see the proof? I haven't seen a single smart thing since he took office happen.
Nope... I'm just not convinced there isn't some small validity to it. Nobody I trust has actually seen it. Even if its not open to the public. I want someone I believe that's not a Obama whoreshiper to say... I've seen it and it exists... I'd be happy with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
What I don't trust is anyone in the democratic party, they lie about everything... if we had a few prominent republicans (they lie less frequently) who aren't Rino's say they saw it and it exists... I'm happy with that. Birthers aren't... because you CAN artificially age a document to fool most people in the time that's elapsed. I'm not requiring proof of the documents age. They would.
So why didn't the republicans and McCain jump all over this to disqualify him? Are Republicans that stupid as to not grab the opportunity? Or are you just much more intelligent and have access to better information than they do?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Hmmm... you sound like a Communist - prove that you are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Simple... I believe in people getting a job and paying for their own stuff. Kids, Medical Insurance... and everything else included.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Communists think the lazy should share in the spoils the motivated EARN.
Sorry comrade, your words won't do it. Let's see some paperwork. And not something signed by Fidel please.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I'm not a McCain supporter... this election was between McCain and Beelzebub. McCain was the better choice of the two... even if I wasn't a big fan of his. And while the Democrat party is wholely populated with idiots and crooks... the Republican party isn't without a few of their own too.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Oh no - the devil!! 111eleven!!Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
LOL!
Proof you aren't... papers?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
See, I'm not running for public office... nor do I plan to be. But if I was... mine would be out there. Because the public has the right to know who their officials really are.
Politicians are by definition, brown-nosers... I can't do that. Its against my nature to even try. That's WHY you won't see me running for office. Because no way am I kissing anyone's behind just to get a chance to run.
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
So, you don't believe we should pool together to hire inspectors to check out our meat and stuff. You don't think we should pool (socialize), our fire and police protection?? You want to pay for it yourself, huh? You mentioned kids above. Do you pay for your kids education, or do you let the government do it?
Do you see where I'm going here? Nahhh, you don't.
excon
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