Yeah, so?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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Yeah, so?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Smh
Sorry, I assumed you had a point but apparently not.
It's come to this, Obama's OFA is once again invading our holidays with Obamacare, featuring ... Pajamaboy.
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Naturally, intense mockery ensues. I miss the days when grownups ran the country.
Not be outdone, some gay group has their own Obamacare marketing plan...
I have no words. I'm sure Phil Robertson doesn't either.
Well considering that you either contradict yourself or make arguments that apply to others but not yourself it's pretty hard to have a discussion.Quote:
Sorry, I assumed you had a point but apparently not.
I miss the days when people weren't offended by everything.Quote:
I miss the days when grownups ran the country.
I'm sorry, have I suspended someone for expressing their beliefs? If I had you might have a point but I really can't find any relevance in your remark. Discussing things people say is hardly the same as suspending them for it in the name of tolerance. There is no contradiction on my part.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Was I offended? No, you really shouldn't assume so much. I'm amused at the depths of stupidity and these people will go to and the stereotypes these anti-stereotype crusaders will exploit to promote the crap sandwich called Obamacare.Quote:
I miss the days when people weren't offended by everything.
The irony of your comment...A&E just suspended a guy they've tolerated for millions in their bank account until now because someone got offended.
I don't think the redneck should be suspended, for the record. Similar and more ignorant things have been said on many reality TV shows - it's par for the course. Likely scripted for free publicity like most shows are.
Hello again, Steve:
Nahhh... Until now, because he REVEALED himself.Quote:
until now because someone got offended.
Why aren't YOU offended??? It looks like you TOO think homosexuality equates to bestiality... Only someone who BELIEVES that tripe would be SURPRISED that people took offense... It's the legitimate rape thing all over again.. You've been talking to yourselves for so long, you have NO idea how offensive it truly is, until you reveal yourselves. Do you THINK this guy WOULD have said stuff like that if he KNEW it was HIGHLY offensive, and that he's LOSE his job over it??? Of course, he wouldn't, and you wouldn't post about it.
If the network kept him on KNOWING who he is, it wouldn't be the first time corporatism won out against doing the right thing.
excon
Um, no, they knew EXACTLY who they had.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Again, he did not equate homosexuality with bestiality. If anything it MIGHT be said he equated bestiality with heterosexual promiscuity hence the "morphs from there" line.Quote:
Why aren't YOU offended??? It looks like you TOO think homosexuality equates to bestiality...
What is it with you people assuming so much bullsh*t? I am neither surprised some were offended or that they intolerantly and hypocritically want them sh*t-canned for intolerance.Quote:
Only someone who BELIEVES that tripe would be SURPRISED that people took offense...
No it isn't, it's a commonly held belief by more than just Christians. You guys get more worked up over a Christian believing same sex fornication is a sin, even though they still respect and love gays as people - than you do Islamic countries punishing it by death.Quote:
It's the legitimate rape thing all over again.. You've been talking to yourselves for so long, you have NO idea how offensive it truly is, until you reveal yourselves. Do you THINK this guy WOULD have said stuff like that if he KNEW it was HIGHLY offensive, and that he's LOSE his job over it??? Of course, he wouldn't, and you wouldn't post about it.
The difference between Phil and Glaad, as in the world at large, is Phil respects their right to offend and wouldn't exact revenge in an attempt to coerce everyone to think like them. That is what's offensive, not the Duck Dynasty guy.
That isn't true at all and you know it.Quote:
even though they still respect and love gays as people
You calling him a liar? As a parent you should know love isn't dependent on behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You don't parent grown adults unless they are YOUR children. And even then you may get rejected.
Really doesn't have anything to do with my point but OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You were the chosen one! YouTube
Tom, that's what happens when someone at the top upsets the natural order.
Now is the winter of our discontent made glorious summer by the sun of york;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house.
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now that our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums charged to merry meetings;
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.
Richard 111 by William Shakespeare
well done Tutt . I always love a good Shakespeare quote properly applied .
I think this guy got it right.
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Duck Dynasty: The Show That Got Away
BY PAT ARCHBOLD Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:58 AM
After A&E fired Phil Robertson for saying what every good Christian should believe, social media has been abuzz. One of the recurring themes has been puzzlement about why A&E would cut off its nose to spite its face. Duck Dynasty is the franchise right now. Why would they risk destroying their own cash cow?
To understand the why, we have to go back to the beginning. Duck Dynasty is not the show that they wanted, it is the show that got away from them.
It seems what the producers intended and what A&E envisioned with the show is much different than the show that they ended up with, but they didn't do anything about it because it was so wildly popular and so wildly profitable. But even with all the money, they have never really been comfortable with what happened.
This is what happened. The whole idea of the show was to parade these nouveau riche Christian hillbillies around so that we could laugh at them. "Look at them," we were supposed to say. "Look how backward they are! Look what they believe! Can you believe they really live this way and believe this stuff? See how they don't fit in? HAHAHA"
When the producers saw the way the show was shaping up, different than they envisioned it, they tried to change course. They tried to get the Robertson's to tone down their Christianity, but to their eternal credit they refused. They tried to add fake cussin' to the show by inserting bleeps where no cussword was uttered. At best, they wanted to make the Robertson's look like crass buffoons. At worst they wanted them to look like hypocrites.
They desperately wanted us to laugh at the Robertsons. Instead, we loved them.
A&E wanted us to point fingers at them and laugh at them. But something else happened entirely. Millions upon millions of people tuned in, not to laugh at them, but to laugh with them. And then we pointed at them. We pointed at them and said things like, "I wish my family was more like them. I wish we prayed together as a family. I wish we were together like the Robertsons."
By the time this all happened, A&E had a conundrum. They knew who the Robertsons were and what they believe and they still held it in disdain. But they really liked the money. Really liked the money. So they lived with it.
But the progressives whose bank accounts were not growing fatter because of these backward rubes were never inclined to look the other way. They hate the show and they really hate the response to the show. They want it destroyed.
Many magazines and interviewers have tried to get the Robertsons to trip up so they could pounce. When Phil backed the Christian viewpoint on homosexuality and added some personal asides about how he just couldn't understand it, they had their moment.
I suspect that the folks at A&E, who always disliked the positive Christian message in the show of which Phil is the primary proponent, saw their chance. They want to keep the cash but dial down the Christianity. With Phil out, perhaps they could get the show they always wanted.
I suspect that the Robertsons are more principled than that and A&E will end up disappointed on many levels. The Roberstons are who they are and I suspect the money means a great deal more to A&E than it does to them.
It will be interesting to see whether A&E likes the money more than they hate the Christianity. I wouldn't be surprised if the hate wins.
Read more: Duck Dynasty: The Show That Got Away |Blogs | NCRegister.com
Hello Steve:
Yes, he exhibited the beliefs of MOST Christians. But, that belief BANGS up against our vaunted Constitution. So, what do we do?? Do we CHANGE the Constitution to allow discrimination based on religion??
Nahhh... The Constitution TRUMPS your religion..
excon
The first amendment protects both his right to speak and his religious rights. There is no evidence of any discrimination here, unless you have this silly notion that criticism of one's lifestyle is discrimination. If that's the case, then GLAAD is discriminating against Phil Robertson. But you'll never see it that way, your side thinks discriminating against Christians, and doing your damnedest to mock them as in this case, is A-OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
What has he done to discriminate except to express his religious beliefs ? Sorry ,it aint no secret that Christians think the homosexual act a sin.
This has nothing to so with free speech, it's a business decision by A&E. Not really worth our time in the grand scheme of things.
A&E's business sense sucks then . There are more people signing the petition against A&Es decision than there are signing up for Obamacare . I'm sure there are many other cable outlets more than willing to air the show .
Hello again, tom:Quote:
What has he done to discriminate except to express his religious beliefs ? Sorry ,it aint no secret that Christians think the homosexual act a sin.
But, do you think if a guy falls in love with another guy, it's the same as falling in love with his dog?? Or, that if we allow homosexual marriage, it MEANS that we're gonna allow man on dog NEXT???
Although it remains UNSAID, the obvious conclusion to your religious principles, IS discrimination... I just went right to the HEART of the issue, like I DO. You can PRETEND that's NOT what you want to do, but you don't fool me.
Nobody wants to STOP this guy from speaking.. But freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your free speech. The law cannot prosecute you for saying what you think, but people are perfectly free to dislike and shun you if you say despicable things.
They also have the right to FIRE you. I understand the family is pushing back. The REAL controversy here, is whether the network has a conscience, or a board of directors.
In any case, the show has lost its luster.. It's NEVER gonna be the top show again. I dunno WHY it was in the first place.
excon
Again, you aren't arguing honestly. He did not equate homosexuality with bestiality, but even if he did what's that to you? Your side equates Republicans with terrorists and Jonestown cultists. You regularly mock Christians, the uniter-in-chief called us bitter clingers. You have no problem whatsoever impugning, insulting, offending, calling us haters, accuse of waging wars on women, anti-science flat-earthers and discriminating so spare me the faux outrage, you guys need to clean up your own act.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Bullsh*t.Quote:
Although it remains UNSAID, the obvious conclusion to your religious principles, IS discrimination... I just went right to the HEART of the issue, like I DO. You can PRETEND that's NOT what you want to do, but you don't fool me.
No one said there couldn't be consequences, A&E has every right to be intolerant, a$$hole hypocrites.Quote:
Nobody wants to STOP this guy from speaking.. But freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your free speech. The law cannot prosecute you for saying what you think, but people are perfectly free to dislike and shun you if you say despicable things.
They also have the right to FIRE you. I understand the family is pushing back. The REAL controversy here, is whether the network has a conscience, or a board of directors.
Nah, another network would be more than happy to take it on the following will continue. This intolerant nonsense is making them even more popular.Quote:
In any case, the show has lost its luster.. It's NEVER gonna be the top show again. I dunno WHY it was in the first place.
Hello again, Steve:
Are you telling me that you DIDN'T fight every push to legalize gay marriage... And that you WOULDN'T make it ILLEGAL again, IF you got a right wing congress and a right wing president????Quote:
Bullsh*t.
Who the HELL are you trying to kid???
While we're at it, you SAY that you wouldn't make contraceptives ILLEGAL if you get that majority, but you and I BOTH know different...
Let's talk about abortion too. As MUCH as you SAY that you wouldn't make abortion illegal again, you're NOT fooling me. If you get that majority, that's EXACTLY what you'll do. EVERYBODY knows that. YOU know that. TAL knows that. Tom knows that. NK and smoothy know that. Our Aussie friends know that.
I dunno WHY you just don't SAY those things. Oh, YES I do.. It's because it would be RIDICULED just like this red neck was ridiculed.
excon
I'm not fighting the gay marriage fight one way or another. Try and stick to facts in evidence, which are Phil Robertson is a Christian and GLAAD and A&E are intolerant of Christians.
No and neither does Phil Robertson .The only way to come to that conclusion is to distort what he said.Quote:
But, do you think if a guy falls in love with another guy, it's the same as falling in love with his dog??
He also said, in the same interview,
'Duck Dynasty' Star Phil Robertson Claims Black People Were 'Happy' Pre-Civil Rights
But of course all the right cares about is his right to insult sinners. But the ones he insulted had no right to express their views,Quote:
The 67-year-old journeyed from substance abuse to devotion to God to small-screen celebrity, all in the backwoods of Louisiana. According to Robertson, growing up in those Louisiana backwoods in the pre-civil rights era was not bad for black people.
“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson is quoted in GQ. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field.... They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people'—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”
Another example of rock throwers who can't believe people throw rocks back, and hiding behind their rights while claiming to be a victim of the rights of others.Quote:
The Human Rights Campaign and the NAACP wrote a joint letter to the president of A&E, expressing deep concern over Robertson's remarks:
We want to be clear why Phil Robertson's remarks are not just dangerous but also inaccurate. Mr. Robertson claims that, from what he saw, African Americans were happier under Jim Crow. What he didn't see were lynching and beatings of black men and women for attempting to vote or simply walking down the street. And his offensive claims about gay people fly in the face of science. In fact, it's important to note that every single leading medical organization in the country has said that there is absolutely nothing wrong with being [lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender] -- it's not a choice, and to suggest otherwise is dangerous.
So now he's supposed to be whipped around by the thought police for showing us what is was like where he was from?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
That's a straw man. The only ones trying to suppress anyone's rights are the people exacting punishment for him exercising his.Quote:
But of course all the right cares about is his right to insult sinners. But the ones he insulted had no right to express their views,
What is this, opposite day? At least there is one lib who agrees with me about the bigger issue:Quote:
Another example of rock throwers who can't believe people throw rocks back, and hiding behind their rights while claiming to be a victim of the rights of others.
Scream, holler, throw rocks all you want - we refuse to be your mindless, spineless, puppets.Quote:
Look, I don’t always practice what I preach. In fact, I’m quick to make rash judgments. Often I regret them. And I don’t believe in a kum-ba-yah world in which all differences between people can be resolved by talking it through. But I don’t want to live in a world in which only the bland or those who validate the prejudices of the cultural elite (against country people, against conservative Evangelicals, against Southerners, etc.) have a place in the public square.
The problem is that those in cultural power love to talk loud and long about diversity, but what they really want is everyone to march in lock-step agreement, or else.
Now you know I defend your rights to be the mindless, spineless, puppet to whatever you want, and I reserve the right to blast you on it.
He also said this in the interview.
We never, ever judge someone on who's going to heaven, hell. That's the Almighty's job,” .... “We just love 'em, give 'em the good news about Jesus—whether they're homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort 'em out later, you see what I'm saying?
Some of us refuse your indoctrination attempts. To each his own.Quote:
give ’em the good news about Jesus
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
So Phil should be free to be Phil without the elite thought police coming down on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You want to control the free market? I thought you hated that?
Phil can be Phil and he is being Phil - who's stopping him?
Stop? I doubt they'll stop Phil but the elitists that cheer diversity and free speech as long as it agrees with them are darn sure trying to suppress him. Now if he were a Clinton that signed DOMA or an obviously homophobic Alec Baldwin they'd give him an award.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
He hasn't been suppressed at all just criticized. Let not forget the new season of Duck Dynasty has been shot and paid for and scheduled, so his suspension is for the following season and a lot can happen until then. A&E has a right to separate themselves from Phil's views, and deal with their employees but the free publicity won't hurt, and gives the right a lot of red meat to holler about their rights and Christian again. Nowhere has the right acknowledged the rights of everybody else to criticize his comments, while they play victims yet again.
And Sarah can wear her duck dynasty outfit, in front of a fireplace and camera.
Don't kid yourself, the entire artificial exercise was meant to silence him or beat him into submission. And enough of the straw man, most on the right have acknowledged the the Artificial & Elitist network's right to can him and your right to criticize Phil, so argue honestly. What is outrageous is the expectation of being able to be as vile and foul as you want toward Christians with impunity while demanding we shut up and genuflect to the PC gods. Too damn bad we fight back at the hypocrisy.
It's a false battle you guys wage as the criticism has been toward one person and what he said, and started with push back by the ones that felt insulted, gays, and blacks. It's the right wing who made this molehill into a mountain, and rally behind his backward thinking. Like he, or you guys represent ALL Christians.
His detractors have been other Christians.
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