Your family is one of those facing ruin. Now what?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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Your family is one of those facing ruin. Now what?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I am responsible for my family. We are responsible for ourselves. But if I know of a family facing ruin, then it becomes my responsibility to help them.
What have you done with all of that money you recently received? Have you given it out to families facing ruin? If not, then have you borrowed money to give to them? And if you haven't, then why on earth would you be comfortable with the feds borrowing money in your name for that supposed purpose?
Your position is very foolish.
So your family has no food, loses the home they live in, you have lost your job, covid has enveloped our world so that many small businesses have closed, big businesses aren't hiring, so a job is nearly impossible to find -- and now what?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yes, I have. So far I have given about 2/3 of it to charities approved by Charity Navigator, to a homeless man who has used the money wisely and now has a good job in construction and a small but decent apartment, to no-kill cat shelters (my husband and I have been cat rescuers and adopters during our entire marriage), to long-time internet friends (one in Washington and one in Iowa) in desperate need of a vehicle, and so on.Quote:
What have you done with all of that money you recently received? Have you given it out to families facing ruin?
Same answer. I am responsible for my family, and I am responsible to help other families from my own personal resources which, incidentally, we are doing.Quote:
So your family has no food, loses the home they live in, you have lost your job, covid has enveloped our world so that many small businesses have closed, big businesses aren't hiring, so a job is nearly impossible to find -- and now what?
Then my congratulations to you. You are doing exactly as I described above. We agree!!Quote:
Yes, I have. So far I have given about 2/3 of it to charities approved by Charity Navigator, to a homeless man who has used the money wisely and now has a good job in construction and a small but decent apartment, to no-kill cat shelters (my husband and I have been cat rescuers and adopters during our entire marriage), to long-time internet friends (one in Washington and one in Iowa) in desperate need of a vehicle, and so on.
How much money have you borrowed to give to charity?
Why would I borrow money?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Well, we are electing pols who routinely are borrowing money for which you and I are responsible, so if you are comfortable with that, then why not borrow money personally? After all, think of all the good you could do! Wouldn't that be a, "great plan for saving families from ruin???" Are you so interested in money that you would refuse to borrow money that other people desperately need??
I don't need to borrow money to save familes from ruin.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
That's what you say your government needs to do. If's it true for the feds, then why not true for you? Is it not true that you could borrow 50K and do a lot of good? Shoot, that's chicken feed compared to what the feds are doing. Why not do it?
First of all, I never said that about the govt borrowing themselves into the ground. I believe in fiscal responsibility. Why on earth would I borrow 50k???Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I'm glad to hear that, though I've never, ever seen you make that point other than now. You have never been, for instance, critical of Obama doubling the national debt, or of the incredible borrowing/printing spree Biden is engaging in. And yes, Trump was also guilty. The difference is that I readily am critical of Trump, but you would never issue a call for Biden or Obama to have been, as you very well put it, fiscally responsible.Quote:
First of all, I never said that about the govt borrowing themselves into the ground. I believe in fiscal responsibility.
I stay off those threads as much as possible. I have no interest in govt spending or how it accumulates money. I like Obama for many reasons and am not fond of Trump for many reasons. Apparently, after his Ohio rally and his boring, bombastic speech that went on for hours, he divested himself of many fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
OK. You just said you did ( I believe in fiscal responsibility.) and now you said you have no interest in it. I just find it interesting how no one would go out and borrow 90K as a, "great plan for saving families from ruin," but then have no problem at all with allowing the feds to do it for them. And bear in mind that it's 90K for you, your hub, and your son.Quote:
I have no interest in govt spending or how it accumulates money.
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. To me, fiscal responsibility is paying our family's bills on time and balancing the checkbook. I have no interest in learning about or figuring out what our govt is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
And thus we see the problem. It just amazes me constantly that people like you, intelligent and responsible, see the urgent necessity of managing their own money well and paying their bills, and yet are perfectly content to watch the feds do the exact opposite. That's why they continue to get away with it. Sad.Quote:
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. To me, fiscal responsibility is paying our family's bills on time and balancing the checkbook. I have no interest in learning about or figuring out what our govt is doing.
Nooooooo, I submit to my husband's acumen because he understands all that stuff about govt spending and then advises me about it accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
And if a taxpayer doesn't like what's being done in Washington, what can he do?
And he's telling you that everything is wonderful and 30 tril of national debt is no problem?Quote:
because he understands all that stuff about govt spending and then advises me about it accordingly.
Vote for fiscal conservatives.Quote:
And if a taxpayer doesn't like what's being done in Washington, what can he do?
He's a Republican.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I do. Unfortunately, too many politicians with big money behind them win. If only more (responsible) women would run for office, we'd clean up this govt real fast!Quote:
Vote for fiscal conservatives.
You mean like HC, KH, NP, or AOC? Heaven spare us. Kristi Noem would certainly have potential. If only Margaret Thatcher was still available.Quote:
If only more (responsible) women would run for office, we'd clean up this govt real fast!
And Gretchen Wilmer and Nikki Haley and Karyn Polito.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
NY is definitely a consideration. GW...joke. Not familiar with KP.
so back to China. 100 years of the CCP, they have achieved much. The only really successful communist society. It is a shame they taint it with jingoism. It must be remembered that China before the communist takeover was a very corrupt society with an ongoing civil war. Many years on the issues are different. It is difficult for us to understand that capitalism cannot lift a peasant society out of poverty easily. Communism didn't succeed in Russia, dictatorship took over, and China is in the dictatorship phase
Capitalism alone can't do it . There also needs to be liberty . The Chinese prosper by exporting the goods that slave labor produces . All the Green New Deal proponents should know that their vision cannot hope to succeed without the goods that the Uyghur slaves make . 40 % of the world's polysilicon is produced in Xinjiang region where the Chinese government is perpetrating a genocide and crimes against humanity against Uyghur and other ethnic minorities.Quote:
capitalism cannot lift a peasant society out of poverty easily.
Chinese Solar Companies Tied to Use of Forced Labor - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
82 major corporations benefit from this . All free nations are complicit .
Uyghurs for sale | Australian Strategic Policy Institute | ASPI
Surviving the Crackdown in Xinjiang | The New Yorker
Opinion | Ban on Chinese solar panels signals we can’t fight climate change using forced labor - The Washington Post
As far as communism ;the Chinese abandoned that a long time ago . They are ruled by a diminishing cult that made a Faustian bargain that said they would provide a degree of prosperity in exchange for total obedience. This diminishing cult is down to a rule of one .....Xi . He is old and there are no plans for succession .One party rule without a mandate from the people is too long. China is overdue for a revolution against the tyranny of the CCP .
The Chinese Communist Party at 100 | City Journal (city-journal.org)
Exactly. Free enterprise.Quote:
Capitalism alone can't do it . There also needs to be liberty.
It will be interesting to see what happens once Xi departs. He's 68 and seems to be in good health, so it might be some time yet.
Good luck with that, there are 95 million party membersQuote:
China is overdue for a revolution against the tyranny of the CCP .
Only 10% of the country, and many of them are likely lukewarm at best.
It is like the Nazi Party in Germany . Many were not true believers . It was like joining a labor union.
Yes but just like Nazi Germany they are a pool of informers, reeducation camps are real, ask the UyghursQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Now he's an expert on China. Being an expert on hell wasn't enough for him. He can find more babies to torture.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Joining the Nazis was like joining a labor union? Did you really say that, tomder?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
indeed I did . Hitler banned unions in 1933 because he wanted the loyalty of the labor movement . He replaced that with the DAF German Labor Front .Nazi members advanced further than non-members in the workplace . For many , the decision to join the Nazi Party was a pro-active calculation of the benefits they would derive from the Nazi program.
The Berlin Document Center holds registration cards for about 11 million Germans who joined the party (some are duplicates because people who dropped out and rejoined were issued new cards )
They did NOT join because of their antisemitism They joined for economic considerations . Many joined before 1933 and well before the purge of Jews became the Nazi cause . A disproportionate number of people who joined the party worked in industries, such as construction or food production, that benefited from policies intended to protect the domestic market.
They joined for economic and social reasons, but I imagine they stayed in out of fear of reprisals.
The Nazi Party was antisemitic from its founding by Anton Drexler. I'm sure Germans also had other reasons for joining the Party but let's not whitewash what was always a despicable organization. The Parry was composed of far more than a lukewarm 10%.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
In no way do I whitewash the party . What I am saying is that most members joined because having a job depended on it. DAF membership was "voluntary, " But any workers in any area of German commerce or industry would have found it hard to get a job without being a member. No not 10 % . Affiliates like the DAF had 25 million .In total about 45 million Germans were officially enrolled in Nazi programs .
Ok. Understood.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Sounds like the current GOP under the disgraced dufus.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Ok I apologise for using the word nazi thereby allowing you to sidetrack the thread once again. As the british used to say of the DAF you would have to be daft to own one
The comparison is valid . The CCP in reality is a secret society; an elite Xi cult .Membership numbers are deceptive . Leadership is less than a dozen and the ranks of potential successors is shrinking as Xi purges the party . When I was a kid I knew many people who would join a political party for the potential patronage job opportunities . As an example ;New York City was controlled by the Democrat Tammany Hall for many years (I would argue they still do) .
Sometimes it is hard to tell the capitalist from the communists.
Those damn Democrats - sending their tanks down Fifth Avenue killing thousands.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yes this must stop, no more presidential motorcades
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