[Wondergirl]

Yeah, boy. That's a great plan for saving families from ruin.

Your family is one of those facing ruin. Now what?

[jlisenbe]

I am responsible for my family. We are responsible for ourselves. But if I know of a family facing ruin, then it becomes my responsibility to help them.

What have you done with all of that money you recently received? Have you given it out to families facing ruin? If not, then have you borrowed money to give to them? And if you haven't, then why on earth would you be comfortable with the feds borrowing money in your name for that supposed purpose?

Your position is very foolish.

[Wondergirl]

I am responsible for my family. We are responsible for ourselves.

So your family has no food, loses the home they live in, you have lost your job, covid has enveloped our world so that many small businesses have closed, big businesses aren't hiring, so a job is nearly impossible to find -- and now what?

What have you done with all of that money you recently received? Have you given it out to families facing ruin?

Yes, I have. So far I have given about 2/3 of it to charities approved by Charity Navigator, to a homeless man who has used the money wisely and now has a good job in construction and a small but decent apartment, to no-kill cat shelters (my husband and I have been cat rescuers and adopters during our entire marriage), to long-time internet friends (one in Washington and one in Iowa) in desperate need of a vehicle, and so on.

[jlisenbe]

So your family has no food, loses the home they live in, you have lost your job, covid has enveloped our world so that many small businesses have closed, big businesses aren't hiring, so a job is nearly impossible to find -- and now what?

Same answer. I am responsible for my family, and I am responsible to help other families from my own personal resources which, incidentally, we are doing.

Yes, I have. So far I have given about 2/3 of it to charities approved by Charity Navigator, to a homeless man who has used the money wisely and now has a good job in construction and a small but decent apartment, to no-kill cat shelters (my husband and I have been cat rescuers and adopters during our entire marriage), to long-time internet friends (one in Washington and one in Iowa) in desperate need of a vehicle, and so on.

Then my congratulations to you. You are doing exactly as I described above. We agree!!

How much money have you borrowed to give to charity?

[Wondergirl]

How much money have you borrowed to give to charity?

Why would I borrow money?

[jlisenbe]

Well, we are electing pols who routinely are borrowing money for which you and I are responsible, so if you are comfortable with that, then why not borrow money personally? After all, think of all the good you could do! Wouldn't that be a, "great plan for saving families from ruin???" Are you so interested in money that you would refuse to borrow money that other people desperately need??

[Wondergirl]

Well, we are electing pols who routinely are borrowing money for which you and I are responsible, so if you are comfortable with that, then why not borrow money personally? After all, think of all the good you could do! Wouldn't that be a, "great plan for saving families from ruin???" Are you so interested in money that you would refuse to borrow money that other people desperately need??

I don't need to borrow money to save familes from ruin.

[jlisenbe]

That's what you say your government needs to do. If's it true for the feds, then why not true for you? Is it not true that you could borrow 50K and do a lot of good? Shoot, that's chicken feed compared to what the feds are doing. Why not do it?

[Wondergirl]

That's what you say your government needs to do. If's it true for the feds, then why not true for you? Is it not true that you could borrow 50K and do a lot of good? Shoot, that's chicken feed compared to what the feds are doing. Why not do it?

First of all, I never said that about the govt borrowing themselves into the ground. I believe in fiscal responsibility. Why on earth would I borrow 50k???

[jlisenbe]

First of all, I never said that about the govt borrowing themselves into the ground. I believe in fiscal responsibility.

I'm glad to hear that, though I've never, ever seen you make that point other than now. You have never been, for instance, critical of Obama doubling the national debt, or of the incredible borrowing/printing spree Biden is engaging in. And yes, Trump was also guilty. The difference is that I readily am critical of Trump, but you would never issue a call for Biden or Obama to have been, as you very well put it, fiscally responsible.

[Wondergirl]

I'm glad to hear that, though I've never, ever seen you make that point other than now. You have never been, for instance, critical of Obama doubling the national debt, or of the incredible borrowing/printing spree Biden is engaging in. And yes, Trump was also guilty. The difference is that I readily am critical of Trump, but you would never issue a call for Biden or Obama to have been, as you very well put it, fiscally responsible.

I stay off those threads as much as possible. I have no interest in govt spending or how it accumulates money. I like Obama for many reasons and am not fond of Trump for many reasons. Apparently, after his Ohio rally and his boring, bombastic speech that went on for hours, he divested himself of many fans.

[jlisenbe]

I have no interest in govt spending or how it accumulates money.

OK. You just said you did ( I believe in fiscal responsibility.) and now you said you have no interest in it. I just find it interesting how no one would go out and borrow 90K as a, "great plan for saving families from ruin," but then have no problem at all with allowing the feds to do it for them. And bear in mind that it's 90K for you, your hub, and your son.

[Wondergirl]

OK. You just said you did ( I believe in fiscal responsibility.) and now you said you have no interest in it. I just find it interesting how no one would go out and borrow 90K as a, "great plan for saving families from ruin," but then have no problem at all with allowing the feds to do it for them. And bear in mind that it's 90K for you, your hub, and your son.

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. To me, fiscal responsibility is paying our family's bills on time and balancing the checkbook. I have no interest in learning about or figuring out what our govt is doing.

[jlisenbe]

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. To me, fiscal responsibility is paying our family's bills on time and balancing the checkbook. I have no interest in learning about or figuring out what our govt is doing.

And thus we see the problem. It just amazes me constantly that people like you, intelligent and responsible, see the urgent necessity of managing their own money well and paying their bills, and yet are perfectly content to watch the feds do the exact opposite. That's why they continue to get away with it. Sad.

[Wondergirl]

And thus we see the problem. It just amazes me constantly that people like you, intelligent and responsible, see the urgent necessity of managing their own money well and paying their bills, and yet are perfectly content to watch the feds do the exact opposite. That's why they continue to get away with it. Sad.

Nooooooo, I submit to my husband's acumen because he understands all that stuff about govt spending and then advises me about it accordingly.

And if a taxpayer doesn't like what's being done in Washington, what can he do?

[jlisenbe]

because he understands all that stuff about govt spending and then advises me about it accordingly.

And he's telling you that everything is wonderful and 30 tril of national debt is no problem?

And if a taxpayer doesn't like what's being done in Washington, what can he do?

Vote for fiscal conservatives.

[Wondergirl]

And he's telling you that everything is wonderful and 30 tril of national debt is no problem?

He's a Republican.

Vote for fiscal conservatives.

I do. Unfortunately, too many politicians with big money behind them win. If only more (responsible) women would run for office, we'd clean up this govt real fast!

[jlisenbe]

If only more (responsible) women would run for office, we'd clean up this govt real fast!

You mean like HC, KH, NP, or AOC? Heaven spare us. Kristi Noem would certainly have potential. If only Margaret Thatcher was still available.

[Wondergirl]

You mean like HC, KH, NP, or AOC? Heaven spare us. Kristi Noem would certainly have potential. If only Margaret Thatcher was still available.

And Gretchen Wilmer and Nikki Haley and Karyn Polito.

[jlisenbe]

NY is definitely a consideration. GW...joke. Not familiar with KP.