Well, the white folks have not moved out. Amazing how much it takes to get you to simply admit that a great amount of progress has been made.
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Well, the white folks have not moved out. Amazing how much it takes to get you to simply admit that a great amount of progress has been made.
Progress, is that something akin to congress?
The government is shutdown because the dufus wants a wall. What's not known is that for years the cartels have been smuggling drugs and people underground, since the fence was built.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_tunnel
Today I watched as a reporter for MSNBC go down a 70 foot deep tunnel from Mexico headed for the US, under highways and airports. Everywhere in the world where there is a wall, there are tunnels being dug.
Surely then there are other weapons to stop the tunnel builders, an inventive nation like US should have high tech weapons, but then maybe they are only good at building flying bricks. The Philippines has the right idea start executing drug dealers and drug smugglers, eventually you will have less of them and why not attack the source of supply instead of enabling itQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And what is obvious is someone knows where these areQuote:
Today I watched as a reporter for MSNBC go down a 70 foot deep tunnel from Mexico headed for the US, under highways and airports. Everywhere in the world where there is a wall, there are tunnels being dug.
Walls do not make illegal entry impossible. They make illegal entry more difficult. That is true everywhere there are walls. People manage to break out of prisons, so I guess we just need to do away with walls around prisons. Is that how your logic works?
No my logic works as stop locking up people for minor crimes and deal severely with those who don't respect others.
That's funny. You go from talking about walls to talking about minor crimes, and you call that logic? Walls work. They are used everywhere. They don't work perfectly in the same way that door locks and alarm systems don't work perfectly. Nothing will completely stop illegal immigration, but the wall will slow it down enormously. If people have to go from simply walking across the border to having to dig a 300 foot long tunnel, then we have made great progress.Quote:
No my logic works as stop locking up people for minor crimes and deal severely with those who don't respect others.
Half the illegals came legally and stayed after their permission expired.
https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...eland-security
5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S. | Pew Research CenterQuote:
OTTAWA — U.S. President Donald Trump may want to build a wall along the Mexican border, but, in recent years, studies suggest the majority of unauthorized immigrants settling in the U.S.have arrived legally— not by crossing the border unlawfully.
About that Northern Wall...!Quote:
The number of unauthorized immigrants living in the United States was lower in 2016 than at any time since 2004. This decline is due mainly to a large drop in the number of new unauthorized immigrants, especially Mexicans, coming into the country.
The vast, vast majority of illegal immigrants are from south of the border, so why would we need a northern wall?
2012CountryPopulation
1. Mexico6,720,0002. El Salvador690,0003. Guatemala560,0004. Honduras360,0005. Philippines310,0006. India260,0007. Korea230,0008. China210,0009. Ecuador170,00010. Vietnam160,000All
https://immigration.procon.org/view....ourceID=000845
JL, those are figures from 2012 and earlier. The numbers have gone down during the past six years. The big need now is asylum from violence in Central American countries.
I don't think there is any evidence prison walls work except that they take the criminals out of circulation, but more criminals arise so they do nothing to stop criminality. Undoubtedly border walls have similar effect and undoubtedly building that tunnel is a crime but I have said in another thread create a legal barrier and it will be a detterentQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Not sure that is true, but even if it is, the point was that there is no need to build a wall to keep out those darn Canadians as Tal suggested.Quote:
JL, those are figures from 2012 and earlier. The numbers have gone down during the past six years. The big need now is asylum from violence in Central American countries.
There is no evidence prison walls work? Wow. What a statement. I think the fact that they keep the prisoners in is pretty good evidence. No one has suggested anywhere in this thread that prison walls somehow stop "criminality". They do a fantastic job of preventing prisoners from crossing the prison "border".Quote:
I don't think there is any evidence prison walls work
Please don't take my words out of context you know very well I said as a deterrent to criminal activity and just maybe the great wall of Trump, not to be confused with making america great, will stop people crossing and act as a deterrent unless you think that the possibility that someone could build a tunnel is an excuse for not doing it at allQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Once you keep out Mexicans, you can work on keeping out Canadians and then yippie no one will have to go to america
His base voters, supporters, and sycophants, cherish him for his battling for their motivation and building his divider, and annihilating the administration, and if he doesn't he never again can alarm the repub congress into remaining with him. That is worth more than cash at the present time, in the midst of his significant developing resistance and a national decision approaching in 2020.
I guess I don't get your point. This is your full quote. "I don't think there is any evidence prison walls work except that they take the criminals out of circulation..." Isn't that the same thing as saying that prison walls work and do what they are designed to do? I've never heard anyone say that prison walls will reduce crime. Maybe that's what you were trying to point out and I just missed it.
I speak english and may not easily be understood by someone forced to listen to hyperbole
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...D=ansmsnnews11
Could this be obstruction? Suborning perjury?Quote:
President Trump on Friday again accused his former personal attorney Michael Cohen of lying to reduce his prison time, after BuzzFeed News reported that federal investigators have evidence he directed Cohen to lie to Congress about plans to build a Trump property in Moscow.
Evidence?
Hey enjoy the show, and wait for the next episode!
Sorry I don't do hyperbole well and comic opera not at all
Finally after a firestorm by the media, The Mueller investigation spokesman has issued a statement Friday evening calling the Buzzfeed article inaccurate in their characterization of some of the corroborating documents, emails or witness testimony. That leaves us just with the word of Mr. Cohen, a convicted liar and crook, about being ordered by the dufus to lie to congress about his Moscow project.
To everyone's disappointment the dufus will not be impeached next week, and his circus will continue. Buzzfeed stands by it's story. Meanwhile the NORKS are keeping their nukes, and will have another photo op with the dufus soon. No wall sightings yet, and furloughed government works have been ordered to slave labor until further notice.
Slick Mitch is AWOL on the shutdown, as the senate has blocked the efforts to keep sanctions on the businesses' run by Vlad's good buddy, who stepped down from his position but still gets paid, unlike our own government workers.
The Moscow project was not illegal . Trump had no expectations of winning the election. He ended it after the campaign .Why should he end it before ?Yesterday the desperate left had to give up their orgasmic dream that they had Trump dead to rights on suborning perjury and obstruction. Cohen is not a credible witness . He copped a plea so he could maybe get reduced charges on crimes he committed unrelated to the Mueller investigation. As you said ;the Mueller team disavowed the fake news Buzzfeed story .
It's amazing how intolerant the tolerant crowd is. Their hatred of Trump is something to watch. No lie is too vile for them.
No they said parts of the story were inaccurate. We both know Tom, it often takes a rat to send a bigger rat to jail, and beats me why the dufus sycophants had to lie about their activities in the first place if it was legal and above board. No doubt though that Cohen was following the lead of the dufus, about his Russian project, and that's what he testified and pleaded guilty too.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Are you surprised that a lying cheating dufus is surrounded by other lying cheating dufus criminal sycophants? You got doubts the only way the dufus gets his Moscow tower was to kiss Vlads butt, and do as he is told? Appears that way to me and many others. I suspect like JL you are holding your nose at the Dufus's antics to say nothing of the veiled threats he has leveled at Cohen by continuing to throw shade at his ex-fixer bagman, as he orders even more government workers to slave without pay.
I think there is plenty of cause to revile the words, actions, and behavior of this MORON and to be frank, You should have some sympathy for those that have to hold their noses against the stench that has brought to our country. WHAT! You aren't holding your nose any more? Obviously you are. Any rational person would be.Quote:
It's amazing how intolerant the tolerant crowd is. Their hatred of Trump is something to watch. No lie is too vile for them.
In politics, it's all about tradeoffs. If I was in favor of gay marriage, reckless federal spending, government healthcare, and lots and lots of "free" stuff, then I would have been more likely to tolerate Obama's many scandals. Now if I prefer a vibrant economy, appointing judges who actually are committed to the Constitution, and real action on securing our southern border, then I am more willing to tolerate Trump and his many foolish words.Quote:
I think there is plenty of cause to revile the words, actions, and behavior of this MORON and to be frank, You should have some sympathy for those that have to hold their noses against the stench that has brought to our country. WHAT! You aren't holding your nose any more? Obviously you are. Any rational person would be.
The biggest problem I have with left wingers is this holier than thou fantasy world they live in where Obama was a saint and Trump is the devil.
I must not be a liberal by your definition because no man is a saint in my book, but he was a good man and decent human and very good president. Unlike the dufus whose charity was shutdown and prohibited from any charity work along with his family. He will never be a saint by any stretch of the imagination and there may be HOLLERING by the right about Obamas' and Hillarys' so called scandals but NO EVIDENCE has been found to stand up in a court of law.
EVIDENCE is your standard of wrongdoing isn't it?
Only by your standards.Quote:
but he was a good man and decent human and very good president.
The multiple scandals during the Obama years stand unquestioned.Quote:
NO EVIDENCE has been found to stand up in a court of law.
And those of many voters twice and still respected by some repubs as well especially those that still lament the election of the dufus.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The right wing noise machine had NO EVIDENCE, just NOISE.Quote:
The multiple scandals during the Obama years stand unquestioned.
https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?ur...Lx91EeH5Ug--~C
https://www.arcamax.com/newspics/cac...27/1692780.jpg
He sure has a funny way of showing his fidelity to Puttie . Maybe we will hear him off mike in 2020 telling Puttie that he will have more flexibility after the election .But right now his Presidency has been Putin's worse nightmare . From Ukraine to Poland to the Baltics states to NATO to Syria to energy policy and on and on ,Trump has NOT acted in Russia's interests .Quote:
You got doubts the only way the dufus gets his Moscow tower was to kiss Vlads butt, and do as he is told? Appears that way to me and many others. I
Please elaborate, JL.Quote:
Obama's many scandals
On the multiple scandals? Well, I just did it this morning on a different thread, but to restate it: "Actually, there is no question about the IRS scandal, the Veterans Administration scandal, the doubling of the national debt in only 8 years, the Benghazi debacle, the Fast and Furious scandal, "I'll have more flexibility after the election", and the secret meeting with Bill Clinton by the AG, just to name a few. These are all proven instances of dishonesty, scandal, and poor job performance."
Surely enough evidence that there is no collusion. Putin hoped to benefit from Trump being not Hilliary and while not as hostile, his america first policy does nothing for Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Even if someone could prove collusion, that is not illegal. If you are running for the office of POTUS, and a Russkie offers you some valuable info on your opponent, then you take it. Why wouldn't you? So long as there is no quid-pro-quo, then I don't see a problem with it. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but it just doesn't strike me as being unethical. You really think Obama or Hillary wouldn't have done so?
Nice job of changing the subject.
Is this something about keeping your enemies closer than your friends or not knowing who your friends are? Trump was once a great friend of the Clintons now it would seem they are enemies. There is a time for understanding there is no such thing as a free lunch. The russians do nothing without an ulterior motive or expection of future leverageQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You are very wrong as everybody is instructed to report Russian contact, and attempts at contact, to the FBI. Hillary and Obama would not have, and have not done what the dufus and his sycophants have done, or lied about it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Of course the dufus can hardly bite the hand that feeds them now can he?Quote:
The russians do nothing without an ulterior motive or expection of future leverage
Who has given that instruction? You are saying that is a law? If so, what law are you referring to?Quote:
You are very wrong as everybody is instructed to report Russian contact, and attempts at contact, to the FBI.
That's the instruction given by the FBI to all the nominees for president.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mpaign-n830596
Now maybe you can understand WHY the dufus campaign was investigated in the first place. Even Clete knows what the dufus's "buddy" Vlad was capable of, so I repeat her comment,Quote:
The situation was complicated by the fact that the FBI had already become aware of contacts between members of the Trump campaign and Russia, and was beginning to investigate further. Former CIA Director John Brennan has said he told the FBI about a pattern of contacts the CIA observed between members of the Trump team and Russians, and former FBI Director James Comey said the bureau then began investigating in July 2016.
Make sense? Now what would you do armed with those FACTS?Quote:
The russians do nothing without an ulterior motive or expection of future leverage
Do you even bother to read these articles you link? I could find no place in the article saying that "everyone" has been "instructed" to report contacts or attempts at contacts. It did say the following.
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The candidates were urged to alert the FBI about any suspicious overtures to their campaigns, the officials said.
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Donald Trump was warned that foreign adversaries, including Russia, would probably try to spy on and infiltrate his campaign, according to multiple government officials familiar with the matter.
So is everyone instructed to report all Russian contacts to the FBI?? No.Quote:
The warning came in the form of a high-level counterintelligence briefing by senior FBI officials, the officials said. A similar briefing was given to Hillary Clinton, they added. They said the briefings, which are commonly provided to presidential nominees,
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