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talaniman · Jan 19, 2019, 03:38 AM

Finally after a firestorm by the media, The Mueller investigation spokesman has issued a statement Friday evening calling the Buzzfeed article inaccurate in their characterization of some of the corroborating documents, emails or witness testimony. That leaves us just with the word of Mr. Cohen, a convicted liar and crook, about being ordered by the dufus to lie to congress about his Moscow project.

To everyone's disappointment the dufus will not be impeached next week, and his circus will continue. Buzzfeed stands by it's story. Meanwhile the NORKS are keeping their nukes, and will have another photo op with the dufus soon. No wall sightings yet, and furloughed government works have been ordered to slave labor until further notice.

Slick Mitch is AWOL on the shutdown, as the senate has blocked the efforts to keep sanctions on the businesses' run by Vlad's good buddy, who stepped down from his position but still gets paid, unlike our own government workers.

tomder55 · Jan 19, 2019, 05:54 AM

The Moscow project was not illegal . Trump had no expectations of winning the election. He ended it after the campaign .Why should he end it before ?Yesterday the desperate left had to give up their orgasmic dream that they had Trump dead to rights on suborning perjury and obstruction. Cohen is not a credible witness . He copped a plea so he could maybe get reduced charges on crimes he committed unrelated to the Mueller investigation. As you said ;the Mueller team disavowed the fake news Buzzfeed story .

jlisenbe · Jan 19, 2019, 05:58 AM

It's amazing how intolerant the tolerant crowd is. Their hatred of Trump is something to watch. No lie is too vile for them.

talaniman · Jan 19, 2019, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

The Moscow project was not illegal . Trump had no expectations of winning the election. He ended it after the campaign .Why should he end it before . Yesterday the desperate left had to give up their orgasmic dream that they had Trump dead to rights on suborning perjury and obstruction. Cohen is not a credible witness . He copped a plea so he could maybe get reduced charges on crimes he committed unrelated to the Mueller investigation. As you said ;the Mueller team disavowed the fake news Buzzfeed story .

No they said parts of the story were inaccurate. We both know Tom, it often takes a rat to send a bigger rat to jail, and beats me why the dufus sycophants had to lie about their activities in the first place if it was legal and above board. No doubt though that Cohen was following the lead of the dufus, about his Russian project, and that's what he testified and pleaded guilty too.

Are you surprised that a lying cheating dufus is surrounded by other lying cheating dufus criminal sycophants? You got doubts the only way the dufus gets his Moscow tower was to kiss Vlads butt, and do as he is told? Appears that way to me and many others. I suspect like JL you are holding your nose at the Dufus's antics to say nothing of the veiled threats he has leveled at Cohen by continuing to throw shade at his ex-fixer bagman, as he orders even more government workers to slave without pay.

It's amazing how intolerant the tolerant crowd is. Their hatred of Trump is something to watch. No lie is too vile for them.

I think there is plenty of cause to revile the words, actions, and behavior of this MORON and to be frank, You should have some sympathy for those that have to hold their noses against the stench that has brought to our country. WHAT! You aren't holding your nose any more? Obviously you are. Any rational person would be.

jlisenbe · Jan 19, 2019, 07:14 AM

I think there is plenty of cause to revile the words, actions, and behavior of this MORON and to be frank, You should have some sympathy for those that have to hold their noses against the stench that has brought to our country. WHAT! You aren't holding your nose any more? Obviously you are. Any rational person would be.

In politics, it's all about tradeoffs. If I was in favor of gay marriage, reckless federal spending, government healthcare, and lots and lots of "free" stuff, then I would have been more likely to tolerate Obama's many scandals. Now if I prefer a vibrant economy, appointing judges who actually are committed to the Constitution, and real action on securing our southern border, then I am more willing to tolerate Trump and his many foolish words.

The biggest problem I have with left wingers is this holier than thou fantasy world they live in where Obama was a saint and Trump is the devil.

talaniman · Jan 19, 2019, 07:28 AM

I must not be a liberal by your definition because no man is a saint in my book, but he was a good man and decent human and very good president. Unlike the dufus whose charity was shutdown and prohibited from any charity work along with his family. He will never be a saint by any stretch of the imagination and there may be HOLLERING by the right about Obamas' and Hillarys' so called scandals but NO EVIDENCE has been found to stand up in a court of law.

EVIDENCE is your standard of wrongdoing isn't it?

jlisenbe · Jan 19, 2019, 09:16 AM

but he was a good man and decent human and very good president.

Only by your standards.

NO EVIDENCE has been found to stand up in a court of law.

The multiple scandals during the Obama years stand unquestioned.

talaniman · Jan 19, 2019, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Only by your standards.

And those of many voters twice and still respected by some repubs as well especially those that still lament the election of the dufus.

The multiple scandals during the Obama years stand unquestioned.

The right wing noise machine had NO EVIDENCE, just NOISE.

tomder55 · Jan 19, 2019, 10:43 AM

You got doubts the only way the dufus gets his Moscow tower was to kiss Vlads butt, and do as he is told? Appears that way to me and many others. I

He sure has a funny way of showing his fidelity to Puttie . Maybe we will hear him off mike in 2020 telling Puttie that he will have more flexibility after the election .But right now his Presidency has been Putin's worse nightmare . From Ukraine to Poland to the Baltics states to NATO to Syria to energy policy and on and on ,Trump has NOT acted in Russia's interests .

Wondergirl · Jan 19, 2019, 11:31 AM

Obama's many scandals

Please elaborate, JL.

jlisenbe · Jan 19, 2019, 11:36 AM

On the multiple scandals? Well, I just did it this morning on a different thread, but to restate it: "Actually, there is no question about the IRS scandal, the Veterans Administration scandal, the doubling of the national debt in only 8 years, the Benghazi debacle, the Fast and Furious scandal, "I'll have more flexibility after the election", and the secret meeting with Bill Clinton by the AG, just to name a few. These are all proven instances of dishonesty, scandal, and poor job performance."

paraclete · Jan 19, 2019, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

He sure has a funny way of showing his fidelity to Puttie . Maybe we will hear him off mike in 2020 telling Puttie that he will have more flexibility after the election .But right now his Presidency has been Putin's worse nightmare . From Ukraine to Poland to the Baltics states to NATO to Syria to energy policy and on and on ,Trump has NOT acted in Russia's interests .

Surely enough evidence that there is no collusion. Putin hoped to benefit from Trump being not Hilliary and while not as hostile, his america first policy does nothing for Russia.

jlisenbe · Jan 19, 2019, 02:59 PM

Even if someone could prove collusion, that is not illegal. If you are running for the office of POTUS, and a Russkie offers you some valuable info on your opponent, then you take it. Why wouldn't you? So long as there is no quid-pro-quo, then I don't see a problem with it. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but it just doesn't strike me as being unethical. You really think Obama or Hillary wouldn't have done so?

talaniman · Jan 19, 2019, 04:08 PM

jlisenbe · Jan 19, 2019, 06:15 PM

Nice job of changing the subject.

paraclete · Jan 19, 2019, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Even if someone could prove collusion, that is not illegal. If you are running for the office of POTUS, and a Russkie offers you some valuable info on your opponent, then you take it. Why wouldn't you? So long as there is no quid-pro-quo, then I don't see a problem with it. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but it just doesn't strike me as being unethical. You really think Obama or Hillary wouldn't have done so?

Is this something about keeping your enemies closer than your friends or not knowing who your friends are? Trump was once a great friend of the Clintons now it would seem they are enemies. There is a time for understanding there is no such thing as a free lunch. The russians do nothing without an ulterior motive or expection of future leverage

talaniman · Jan 20, 2019, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Even if someone could prove collusion, that is not illegal. If you are running for the office of POTUS, and a Russkie offers you some valuable info on your opponent, then you take it. Why wouldn't you? So long as there is no quid-pro-quo, then I don't see a problem with it. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but it just doesn't strike me as being unethical. You really think Obama or Hillary wouldn't have done so?

You are very wrong as everybody is instructed to report Russian contact, and attempts at contact, to the FBI. Hillary and Obama would not have, and have not done what the dufus and his sycophants have done, or lied about it either.

The russians do nothing without an ulterior motive or expection of future leverage

Of course the dufus can hardly bite the hand that feeds them now can he?

jlisenbe · Jan 20, 2019, 08:02 AM

You are very wrong as everybody is instructed to report Russian contact, and attempts at contact, to the FBI.

Who has given that instruction? You are saying that is a law? If so, what law are you referring to?

talaniman · Jan 20, 2019, 08:29 AM

That's the instruction given by the FBI to all the nominees for president.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mpaign-n830596

The situation was complicated by the fact that the FBI had already become aware of contacts between members of the Trump campaign and Russia, and was beginning to investigate further. Former CIA Director John Brennan has said he told the FBI about a pattern of contacts the CIA observed between members of the Trump team and Russians, and former FBI Director James Comey said the bureau then began investigating in July 2016.

Now maybe you can understand WHY the dufus campaign was investigated in the first place. Even Clete knows what the dufus's "buddy" Vlad was capable of, so I repeat her comment,

The russians do nothing without an ulterior motive or expection of future leverage

Make sense? Now what would you do armed with those FACTS?

jlisenbe · Jan 20, 2019, 02:06 PM

Do you even bother to read these articles you link? I could find no place in the article saying that "everyone" has been "instructed" to report contacts or attempts at contacts. It did say the following.

The candidates were urged to alert the FBI about any suspicious overtures to their campaigns, the officials said.

Donald Trump was warned that foreign adversaries, including Russia, would probably try to spy on and infiltrate his campaign, according to multiple government officials familiar with the matter.

The warning came in the form of a high-level counterintelligence briefing by senior FBI officials, the officials said. A similar briefing was given to Hillary Clinton, they added. They said the briefings, which are commonly provided to presidential nominees,

So is everyone instructed to report all Russian contacts to the FBI?? No.