Treyvon was a thug.. with numerous previous criminal convictions. Not an innocent choir boy.

Zimmerman had none...

And how could he have known all that? He assumed it? WHY? What previous criminal convictions?

I found CNN's coverage of the Martin/Zimmerman case was very biased. When they showed pictures of Martin, they always showed ones where he was younger and smiling innocently. There are many pictures where he appears very thuggish and menacing, why weren't any of those pictures shown? Just like the media always showed pictures of Omar Khadhr when he was 15 and clean shaven even when he was an adult and had the typical bearded terrorist look. Martin wasn't totally innocent, he had been suspended for drug use, and was involved in an underground fight club where fights were planned and filmed.

CNN's coverage of the First gulf war was 100% scripted... wasn't really that far off... but it was what they were told to say... and nothing more.. and there was huge amounts of stuff they never covered and most likely never even knew about.

Lets just say my job at that time let me see more than you could imagine.

And yeah... most of the coverage on this Zimmerman case is hugely biased. So much so they would be telling armed women that if they are raped.. it would be 2nd degree murder if they killed their rapist... because they didn't leave the rapists personal space... even if it was in their own front yard... by the same logic they use to blame Zimmerman for exercising the right to defend himself..

It's that mind set that has allowed more people to be killed in the last couple years than during the ENTIRE Iraq and Afghanistan wars in Chicago alone.. and be nearly completely ignored... but they show their racist side and are literally LYNCHING Andrew Zimmerman.

Breaking news, the jury has acquitted George Zimmerman of murder. Let's hope there won't be any riots, there is already too much violence in this world.

And how could he have known all that? He assumed it? WHY? What previous criminal convictions?

If it walks like a duck.. quacks like a duck... then it's a duck.

Have you seen the ACTUAL photos of Trayvon the 17 year old? Not the several years old pictures of a much younger much smaller prepubescent Trayvon the left pretends was him at the time

He lived and acted the thug part.

And fact is... his criminal past only proves Zimmerman was right about everything.

Breaking news, the jury has acquitted George Zimmerman of murder. Let's hope there won't be any riots, there is already too much violence in this world.

Great, I haven't seen that yet... Despite the political thuggery the Obama administration put forcing this case... threatening to fire the chief of police who said they didn't have enough cause... and the fact they forced it WITHOUT a grand jury indictment... Its great and supports the fact we have the RIGHT to defend ourselves against criminals... even to the point of killing the criminals.

Also upholds the fact the public's rights are not lesser than the criminals rights.

Let the Black Panthers come into MY neighborhood causing trouble and see how many of them get shot to death...

Virginia doesn't tolerate that element quietly.

Even if they had found him guilty... the bizarre and honestly very RUDE and biased comments made by that judge would have guaranteed a retrial in a new venue.

On to the civil suit where he will be compelled to testify.

On to the civil suit where he will be compelled to testify.

He should file civil suits against the thugs parents and that moron Trayvon was banging.

And that idiot Judge and Prosecutor too.

And File suits for Malicious prosecution

After that attempted Lynching... he should have no problem finding law firms to do it.

And I would venture a guess.....very, very few black American that can trace ancestory back to when slavery was practiced...have a purely African genetic lineage. Meaning there is at least one non-black in their family tree.


"And"... and what? We can move from a position of not wanting to know anything about modern genetics to an equally nonsensical position of.. "have a purely African genetic lineage." There is no such thing as a pure genetic lineage.

On to the civil suit where he will be compelled to testify.

The legal system isn't done yet I think . No doubt the Holder Justice Dept will pursue civil rights charges based on those silly doctored MSNBC tapes(of which Zimmerman is suing MSNBC over ). Doesn't matter that Zimmerman had a long prior history of charity work involving black youths in his predominantly African American church... That he mentored black children and even dated a black girl in High School... or that an FBI investigation found no evidence of racism to pursue civil rights charges.
The NAACP is already asking Holder to revisit that possibility.. and no doubt the race baiters like Sharpton will follow..

The legal system aint done yet I think . No doubt the Holder Justice Dept will pursue civil rights charges based on those silly doctored MSNBC tapes(of which Zimmerman is suing MSNBC over ). Doesn't matter that Zimmerman had a long prior history of charity work involving black youths in his predominantly African American church ..... That he mentored black children and even dated a black girl in High School ....or that an FBI investigation found no evidence of racism to persue civil rights charges.
The NAACP is already asking Holder to revisit that possibility ..and no doubt the race baiters like Sharpton will follow ..

No doubt.

Black leaders: Zimmerman verdict is 'old South justice' (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/14/zimmerman-not-guilty-national-reaction/2515143/)

No doubt.

Black leaders: Zimmerman verdict is 'old South justice' (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/14/zimmerman-not-guilty-national-reaction/2515143/)



Maybe some of this stuff should be moved to here:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/trayvon-ii-646411-18.html

No doubt.

Black leaders: Zimmerman verdict is 'old South justice' (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/14/zimmerman-not-guilty-national-reaction/2515143/)

Those particular blacks are showing their racism again... typical response.. if they don't get to have their lynching... its got to be rascist... never mind the fact they never had any proof anything was ever illegal at any point... and the prosecution even proved Trayvon and his girlfriend were BOTH racists... with their Crazy white cracker slur. Which was 10 times worse than anything Paula Dean ever said.

I still wouldn't want to be Zimmerman, I hope he'll have a chance at living a normal life once the story blows over.

I still wouldn't want to be Zimmerman, I hope he'll have a chance at living a normal life once the story blows over.

Yeah.. thanks to the media... an innocent man will always be a target of Racists...

He is hardly innocent since he broke every common sense rule in the book for being a gun owner and captain of his neighborhood watch. He was judged not guilty, not innocent.

He is hardly innocent since he broke every common sense rule in the book for being a gun owner and captain of his neighborhood watch. He was judged not guilty, not innocent.
Not guilty IS innocent. Have you forgotten about the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty?

But then Obama breaks every rule of common sense... but the lefties give HIM a free pass every day.

Zimmerman didn't break any rules of being a gun owner... he had a permit to carry... he was Lawfully carrying. He was Lawfully defending himself from w thug from the projects... he LAWFULLY shot and killed a thug that was assaulting him.

And contrary to what the left might believe... lefties aren't entitled to a right to assault a righty... nor are they entitled to any right to not be shot to death when doing it.

Trayvon was a thug.. and he got exactly what every thug deserves.

I don't think this should be about race, and it isn't a liberal or conservative issue. I have some black friends and even they said they found it very biased that the media only showed pictures of the younger, smiling Martin instead of the thuggish, menacing ones. Even they said they would cross the street if they saw him coming toward them in the other direction. I think it's very sad that the left always makes the worst people in society into martyrs and heroes but they don't care about all the innocent people in jail for crimes they didn't commit. Everyone knows about Martin and Omar Khadr thanks to their fan clubs but how many people even know about Brian Banks?

I don't think this should be about race, and it isn't a liberal or conservative issue. I have some black friends and even they said they found it very biased that the media only showed pictures of the younger, smiling Martin instead of the thuggish, menacing ones. Even they said they would cross the street if they saw him coming toward them in the other direction. I think it's very sad that the left always makes the worst people in society into martyrs and heroes but they don't care about all the innocent people in jail for crimes they didn't commit. Everyone knows about Martin and Omar Khadr thanks to their fan clubs but how many people even know about Brian Banks?

Oh I agree... crime knows no ethnic boundaries... and justice is equal... however certain groups think they are entitled to be more equal than the others... witness the NAACP and their incessant attempts to inject racism into everything... and their racist zeal to go after an innocent man. Because they believe Trayvon was entitled to rob the "Rich folk" and assault anyone he wants and not suffer the threat of payback... just because he was black.

And since Zimmerman was hispanic... not a white guy contrary to the drive by media... it just shows how much disdain the left actually has towards the Hispanic Community.

And I hope they remember this when it comes time to vote.

Math is hard (http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/07/11/is-north-carolina-a-model-for-state-budgets/how-to-grade-a-states-finances), even with a PhD in economics...


By Teresa Ghilarducci, the Bernard L. and Irene Schwartz chair of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research...

What state makes the best fiscal decisions? In order to rate the states you need criteria. Let’s try this one: Any state that sparks protests called “Moral Mondays” is probably going to rank pretty low. Six months ago, I visited North Carolina's state treasurer, Janet Cowell – the only Democrat in the administration now – and met with citizen advocates to discuss our research finding that North Carolina faces a serious retirement crisis. Middle-class workers in that state – like most others – will face serious deprivation at retirement age.

Our trip had impact, on us at least. On the plane coming home my colleague turned to me shell shocked, "How can it be legal to have so much poverty in such a wealthy state?"

What is a good state? Judge it by tax rates? No, states with the lowest tax rates have among the lowest levels of economic development. Judge it by pension funding? No, pension design and governance matter more.

What about a basic criteria? Judge a state’s finances by its capacity to reduce child deprivation. According to Kids Count, New Hampshire has the lowest rate of child poverty, at 11 percent. Ranked worst is Mississippi, where a third of children are poor. But Mississippi is poor over all; it has the lowest median income in the nation. And New Hampshire is rich; its median income is the third highest. I get that. So the child poverty numbers may say more about income than about the management of the state budgets.

But let’s look at North Carolina. It is the 39th richest state, and yet it ranks 12th for the percentage of children living in poverty – only 11 states fare worse. Which states do the most to reduce child poverty with the money they have? I’d point to West Virginia, the fourth-poorest state but 13th in child poverty.

I've always suspected liberal economists used a vastly different form of math than most people and this confirms it. If North Carolina is the 39th richest state then only 11 are poorer, and if it's 12th in percentage of children in poverty then 11 are poorer - the proportion is the same. Somehow she has deduced that GOP dominated North Carolina ranks high in both wealth and children in poverty when that's clearly not so.

Of course there are far wealthier states which fare worse then NC in children living in poverty but they aren't dominated by Republicans.

So to the question her colleague asked, "How can it be legal to have so much poverty in such a wealthy state?"

I don't know, maybe you should ask the folks in D.C. one of the wealthiest areas with one of the worst poverty rates. Meanwhile should we make poverty illegal or something?

Hello again, Steve:

Meanwhile should we make poverty illegal or something?Yeah, why not? Or, put another way, should we prosecute the wealthy people who CAUSE poverty?? Yeah, why not?

Excon

Wealthy people don't CAUSE poverty... but then maybe you have a point... lets sue Obama who is multimillionare, Nancy Pelosi and don't forget Buffet and Soros. That and Hollywood... if it wasn't for all those greedy lefties we wouldn't have any poverty.

Hello again, Steve:
Yeah, why not? Or, put another way, should we prosecute the wealthy people who CAUSE poverty??? Yeah, why not?

excon

They also provide jobs, so who's going to do that when you throw all the rich people in the slammer (which would include the president and most of congress). Also, how much money should anyone be allowed to make? I want to see those liberal gears spinning out some more good math.

Hello again,

Ok, I mean the banksters.. They're crooks. They're STEALING (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/16/us-goldman-results-idUSBRE96F0I620130716) ALL the wealth from the middle class.. Occupy a BANK!

Yes.. Obama is bought and paid for BY the banksters. Happy smoothy? But, don't get a swelled head.. They OWN all the Republicans too.

excon

Hello again,

Ok, I mean the banksters.. They're crooks. They're STEALING (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/16/us-goldman-results-idUSBRE96F0I620130716) ALL the wealth from the middle class.. Occupy a BANK!

Yes.. Obama is bought and paid for BY the banksters. Happy smoothy? But, don't get a swelled head.. They OWN all the Republicans too.

excon

Yep, some of them manage to just misplace billions of other people's money and get a pass (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/corzine_off_the_crook_t3VpDFmfEsx9Qd7VdtCLvM).

Hello again,

Ok, I mean the banksters.. They're crooks. They're STEALING (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/16/us-goldman-results-idUSBRE96F0I620130716) ALL the wealth from the middle class.. Occupy a BANK!

Yes.. Obama is bought and paid for BY the banksters. Happy smoothy? But, don't get a swelled head.. They OWN all the Republicans too.

exconOh we know that... George Soros is the king of them. Warren Buffet is his go-fer guy.

Who would the less well off people go to, to borrow money if there weren't any bankers?

At least you gave billions to deserving people: the Iraq government.

At least you gave billions to deserving people: the Iraq government.

Better them than welfare bums...

Who is giving billions to welfare bums?

Who is giving billions to welfare bums?

The people who actually work for a living... thats where the money comes from.

What?? You seem confused.

Who would the less well off people go to, to borrow money if there weren't any bankers?Hello smoothy:

It USED to be that there were TWO kinds of banks... Regular banks and investment banks... There were only a few investment banks and they were on Wall Street. Your bank in your town couldn't gamble away your money on Wall Street.. The law that prevented them from doing so was Glass Stegal. Anyway, a bunch of bought and paid for Republicans repealed that law calling it obsolete, and now ALL the banks can gamble...

So, they DID, and they ARE. They managed to loose several trillion of the middle class's money, they got you and me to bail them out, and they're at it again...

Occupy a BANK!!

Excon

Hello smoothy:

It USED to be that there were TWO kinds of banks... Regular banks and investment banks... There were only a few investment banks and they were on Wall Street. Your bank in your town couldn't gamble away your money on Wall Street.. The law that prevented them from doing so was Glass Stegal. Anyway, a bunch of bought and paid for Republicans repealed that law calling it obsolete, and now ALL the banks can gamble...

So, they DID, and they ARE. They managed to loose several trillion of the middle class's money, they got you and me to bail them out, and they're at it again...

Occupy a BANK!!!!!

excon

Then why were the finaciall institutions giving so much money to the Democrats if they are run by republicans?

Hello again, smoothy:
Then why were the finaciall institutions giving so much money to the Democrats if they are run by republicans?Pay attention, smoothy:

The banks own ALL of us. Every politician in the land.

OCCUPY A BANK!!

Excon

Hello again, smoothy:Pay attention, smoothy:

The banks own ALL of us. Every politician in the land.

OCCUPY A BANK!!!

excon

They don't own me.

I'm not foolish enough to run up 50 or 60K dollars or more of credit card debt like far too many people are.

Math is hard (http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/07/11/is-north-carolina-a-model-for-state-budgets/how-to-grade-a-states-finances), even with a PhD in economics...



I've always suspected liberal economists used a vastly different form of math than most people and this confirms it. If North Carolina is the 39th richest state then only 11 are poorer, and if it's 12th in percentage of children in poverty then 11 are poorer - the proportion is the same. Somehow she has deduced that GOP dominated North Carolina ranks high in both wealth and children in poverty when that's clearly not so.

Of course there are far wealthier states which fare worse then NC in children living in poverty but they aren't dominated by Republicans.

So to the question her colleague asked, "How can it be legal to have so much poverty in such a wealthy state?"

I don't know, maybe you should ask the folks in D.C., one of the wealthiest areas with one of the worst poverty rates. Meanwhile should we make poverty illegal or something?

The math says they got wealthy and the people that worked for them got poor. Prices went up, wages did not. Laying off millions and moving overseas for cheap labor is great for a corporate bottom line, but lousy for those laid off, and highly disruptive for families.

That's not liberal, or conservative. Just the math, and the facts. Just ask the guy who worked for twenty years and got terminated or laid off. His gains for the last 20 years, and the house he had for 13, is wiped out.

Funny though how all this offshore outsourcing didn't get hard and heavy until Clinton came into office.

Yeah I know this because I made a lot of money in overtime doing it for some of these companies, DURING the Clinton Administration..

Hello again, smoothy:

They don't own me.

I'm not foolish enough to run up 50 or 60K dollars or more of credit card debt like far too many people are.Pay attention.. They own your GOVERNMENT. They own your POLITICIANS... They OWN your country.

Excon

The math says they got wealthy and the people that worked for them got poor. Prices went up, wages did not. Laying off millions and moving overseas for cheap labor is great for a corporate bottom line, but lousy for those laid off, and highly disruptive for families.

That's not liberal, or conservative. Just the math, and the facts. Just ask the guy who worked for twenty years and got terminated or laid off. His gains for the last 20 years, and the house he had for 13, is wiped out.

It went right over your head didn't it? If the lady was concerned about (or could do math) poverty in "such a wealthy state" she would have picked a wealthy state, not North Carolina.

It was clearly a partisan slam at NC from the opening mention of visiting with "state treasurer, Janet Cowell – the only Democrat in the administration now", segueing to the convoluted math of the 39th richest state having so many poor people. I mean duh, if you're near the bottom in wealth you're probably not going to rank at the top in fewest children in poverty... though they fare better than other wealthier and much more liberal areas like New York, New Jersey and D.C. That was partisan, liberal math and she probably believes it.

Hello again, smoothy:
Pay attention.. They own your GOVERNMENT. They own your POLITICIANS... They OWN your country.

excon

Naw... that sounds like paranoia to me.

I'm more worried about the idiot in the WHite house than I am the Bankers.

The Bankers want me and everyone to make money... its good for me and its good for them... the clown in the Oval office says I got mine... I'll make sure nobody else gets a chance to get theirs.

Math is hard (http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/07/11/is-north-carolina-a-model-for-state-budgets/how-to-grade-a-states-finances), even with a PhD in economics...



I've always suspected liberal economists used a vastly different form of math than most people and this confirms it. If North Carolina is the 39th richest state then only 11 are poorer, and if it's 12th in percentage of children in poverty then 11 are poorer - the proportion is the same. Somehow she has deduced that GOP dominated North Carolina ranks high in both wealth and children in poverty when that's clearly not so.

Of course there are far wealthier states which fare worse then NC in children living in poverty but they aren't dominated by Republicans.

So to the question her colleague asked, "How can it be legal to have so much poverty in such a wealthy state?"

I don't know, maybe you should ask the folks in D.C., one of the wealthiest areas with one of the worst poverty rates. Meanwhile should we make poverty illegal or something?

Teresa Ghilarducci is the author of the rationale behind the eventual government seizing of 401-K plans

Her math may make more sense if you calculate in the 57 states . She must be shocked to learn that 20% of the population is still in the lowest quintile.
You know what 'New School' is ? It's where failed Notre Dame professors continue their career .

bunch of bought and paid for Republicans repealed that law calling it obsolete, and now ALL the banks can gamble...
You mean like Bill Clintoon ? For the record... Graham Leach Bliley passed in the Senate 90-8 with 37 Dems voting for it . It was signed by Dem Pres Bill Clintoon.

Teresa Ghilarducci is the author of the rationale behind the eventual government seizing of 401-K plans

Her math may make more sense if you calculate in the 57 states .

Whatever it takes.


You know what 'New School' is ? It's where failed Notre Dame professors continue their career .

How many Berkeley PhD's does New School boast I wonder.

Speaking of school, Kalifornia is actually bucking Obama on something...


California holds out against Obama's education vision (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-education-clash-20130715,0,2274338.story)
The state has made a rare break with the administration, refusing to follow its lead on evaluating teachers, in a standoff that reflects a union's lasting influence.

WASHINGTON — California is almost always there to boost President Obama's policy agenda as he fights fierce headwinds in Congress, working with the executive branch to carry out the administration's vision on healthcare, renewable energy and clean air.

But when the topic shifts to overhauling education, the state has become one of the administration's biggest headaches.

California has defiantly refused to follow the administration's lead in grading the performance of teachers and using those measurements to reward the best teachers and punish the worst. The state is one of very few that have told Washington that under no conditions will it put in place the type of teacher evaluation system Obama has championed.

But it's for the children I'm sure.



The standoff reflects the enduring influence of the California Teachers Assn. which long ago established the state as a bulwark against the national movement to base teacher evaluations more heavily on standardized tests. The CTA, the most generous campaign donor to state officials, maintains a tight grip on Sacramento politics.

The union's position has been embraced by Gov. Jerry Brown and State Supt. Of Public Instruction Tom Torlakson, two old-guard Democrats who are loath to antagonize labor. Their aides speak about the president's teacher accountability plans with language a Texas official might use to describe Obama's healthcare plan: intrusion on local control, unnecessary layer of bureaucracy, costly, unwarranted federal mandate.

How can anyone put the union ahead of the children and keep bad teachers at all cost?

Democrat San Diego mayor Bob Filner was recently accused of sexual harassment against "numerous" women ("Numerous" Women Harassed by San Diego Mayor Filner: Former Friends, Allies (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Bob-Filner-Sex-Harassment-Allegations-Recall-Resign-Mayor-San-Diego-215089301.html#ixzz2ZVhbEmL5)).

This week? He "has agreed to be the keynote speaker at a benefit for sexual assault victims." No, seriously (http://www.10news.com/news/mayor-bob-filner-to-deliver-keynote-address-at-benefit-for-sexual-assault-victims-07162013).

At least they stripped him of the award they were going to bestow upon him.

Why don't I find this shocking? OH... its because a sitting president and the Attourney General are both calling for lynching an innocent man... in this day and age... and almost everyone on the left thinks it's a good idea.

And how exactly is that any different than a bunch of white guys 60 or more years ago calling for lynching a black man that was just found innocent of killing a white woman.

Only a loony ties the bad conduct of a mayor to the practice of lynching black people in the good old days to the present administration and a fool who got a bloody nose and killed the guy who did it.

Put your hood back on if you want to rant.

Thank goodness republican politicians never do anything morally incorrect.

Of course they do, but the reaction is totally different. The left celebrates their perverts.

Just like the right.

Two names... two Mayors... both infamous for corruption.

... Marion Berry Democrat. Washington, DC

... Richard M. Daley Democrat Chicago, Illinois

Only a loony ties the bad conduct of a mayor to the practice of lynching black people in the good old days to the present administration and a fool who got a bloody nose and killed the guy who did it.

Put your hood back on if you want to rant.

You are blind if you don't see that they are the same thing... one group calling for lynching someone just found innocent in the court of law because they weren't happy with a legal verdict.

Just like the right.

Such as who?

The left celebrates their perverts.You repeat that righty talking point like it's a fact for 125 million people. Why do you hate half of the citizens in your own country?

You repeat that righty talking point like it's a fact for 125 million people.

First of all half of America is not 125 million. That would be 155.5 million according to the last census. Secondly, half of America is not liberal. Thirdly, it's my talking point, I came up with it myself.


Why do you hate half of the citizens in your own country?

I don't hate anyone, why do you lie about me?

Why do YOU celebrate perverts?

Why do YOU celebrate perverts?

Still lying about me. Geez dude, what the hell is your problem? I ask the same question I asked Tal, Such as who?

Sanford, and Gov. Scott of Florida. McDonnell in Virginia. ALEC the conservative think tank shilling for the NRA that shill for the gun manufacturers.

Yes I expanded pervert to perverse.

Still lying about me. Geez dude, what the hell is your problem?
You dig up the weirdest individuals on the planet and give them exposure here. Most people would recognize that they are freaks of society but you seem to need to politicize every single one of them.

Sanford, and Gov. Scott of Florida. McDonnell in Virginia. ALEC the conservative think tank shilling for the NRA that shill for the gun manufacturers.

Yes I expanded pervert to perverse.

I haven't celebrated any of those, in fact I cringed at the thought of Sanford running as did most other conservatives.Otherwise I didn't know Scott or the NRA were perverts.

You dig up the weirdest individuals on the planet and give them exposure here. Most people would recognize that they are freaks of society but you seem to need to politicize every single one of them.

Dude, sometimes you just need to put your inexplicable hatred for me aside and just chill out. Two thoughts anyway...

Do you really not get the point of "it's come to this"?

The mayor of the eighth largest city in the U.S. may be a freak but him sexually harassing his employees is newsworthy.

Going out for beers - have fun!

It's come to this, a Michigan judge has halted Detroit's bankruptcy because it dishonors Obama or something...


Prior to her ruling on Friday, the judge criticized the Snyder administration and Attorney General’s Office over its hasty move to outflank pension board attorneys.

“It’s cheating, sir, and it’s cheating good people who work,” the judge told assistant Attorney General Brian Devlin. “It’s also not honoring the (United States) president, who took (Detroit’s auto companies) out of bankruptcy.”

Aquilina said she would make sure President Obama got a copy of her order.

“I know he’s watching this,” she said, predicting the president ultimately will have to do something to make sure existing city workers’ pension agreements are honored.

From The Detroit News: Ingham County judge rules Detroit bankruptcy be withdrawn; Schuette appeals | The Detroit News (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130719/METRO01/307190099#ixzz2ZWtIkeG2)

You just can't make this stuff up. The judge of course has a Democratic background according to the paper. But I have to agree with her on that, closing the door on the poster child of progressive failure would be like a sharp stick in the eye to our Dear Leader.

Or could this be another example of bad implementation (taking pensions from retirees) of a good idea (filing for bankruptcy for a cash strapped city that's lost more than half of it's population and tax base.)?

Are you against pensioners and retirees? Or am I making that up?

The party is over... and its time to pay the bar tab and the band.

That's what you think about retirees?

That's what you think about retirees?

Let the Unions that strong-armed deals and took those unions dues all those years pay those pensions.

Teamsters Pensions aren't on the backs of the taxpayers... Neither are CWA Pensions.

That's why the lawyers filed an injunction to the bankruptcy on behalf of their clients.

You are blind if you dont see that they are the same exact thing....one group calling for lynching someone just found innocent int he court of law because they weren't happy with a legal verdict.

In order to see the difference you would first need to begin by ridding yourself of your archaic understanding of genetics.

In order to see the difference you would first need to begin by ridding yourself of your archaic understanding of genetics.

Well you should be directing that to the people using that same lame excuse defending Treyvon excusing him for assaulting Zimmerman... and at the same time claiming Zimmerman didn't have the right to defend himself from an attacker.

Somethng that appears to be Unique to the USA... is Blacks never believe they are responsible for anything, its always someone else's fault... and when they get caught they automatically claim they are being picked on because they are Black... even when they are caught with a bloody knife in their hand standing over the victim.

Personally... I don't give a hoot what the color of someone that robs a bank is... they all deserve jail... on the street dealing crack... same deal... rapist... the same... carjacker... the same.

Well you should be directing that to the people using that same lame excuse defending Treyvon excusing him for assaulting Zimmerman...and at the same time claiming Zimmerman didn't have the right to defend himself from an attacker.

Somethng that appears to be Unique to the USA...is Blacks never believe they are responsible for anything, its always someone elses fault...and when they get caught they automatically claim they are being picked on because they are Black...even when they are caught with a bloody knife in their hand standing over the victim.

Personally....I don't give a hoot what the color of someone that robs a bank is.....they all deserve jail.....on the street dealing crack...same deal.....rapist....the same....carjacker...the same.



I know very little about the case you are referring to. I have not made any comment about it.

This is not what I am talking about I am talking about a comparison you made in an earlier post. What I am pointing out is the irrelevant association you make. The qualities of one thing are the inherent qualities of another.

I know very little about the case you are referring to. I have not made any comment about it.

This is not what I am talking about I am talking about a comparison you made in an earlier post. What I am pointing out is the irrelevant association you make. The qualities of of one thing are the inherent qualities of another.
See... thats where you are wrong... the Black community here in the USA actually teach their kids everything is because of something that happened here well over 160 years ago... (but is still common in Africa today). And that no matter what they get caught doing... its because they are being profiled. Not because they are breaking the law.

And its certainly not genetic... its part of their chosen culture. THEY created. And that makes them responsible for it.

And it was a fairly recent creation... personal responsibility, Ethical behavior and a strong family is something they once had but started abandoning a few decades ago... by their own choice. Some still have it but they are now a minority in a minority. The other ethnic groups (whites included) also suffer from much of this too... only in lower percentages.

Or could this be another example of bad implementation (taking pensions from retirees) of a good idea (filing for bankruptcy for a cash strapped city that's lost more than half of it's population and tax base.)?

Are you against pensioners and retirees? Or am I making that up?

You miss the point, what the hell does the president's honor have to do with a solution?

The judge is referring to the managed bankruptcy the auto makers went through.

Or could this be another example of bad implementation (taking pensions from retirees) of a good idea (filing for bankruptcy for a cash strapped city that's lost more than half of it's population and tax base.)?

Are you against pensioners and retirees? Or am I making that up?

Yeah your making it up. In life there are choices. Some good and some bad and some that come back around to bite you. They voted for everything under the sun thinking the money tree would keep growing and voted for democrat control for the last 40 years. They are getting what they wanted. It is exactly what they have been asking for.

Obama: I "refused to let Detroit go bankrupt" - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57531867/obama-i-refused-to-let-detroit-go-bankrupt/)

The judge is referring to the managed bankruptcy the auto makers went thru.

"It’s also not honoring the (United States) president." I can't think of a more irrelevant bit of logic in making legal decisions.

The real problem is the long history of Detroit being ruled by socialist Dems like Coleman Young and other "MFICs"

Privatizing the city assets is what Snyder wants. That's always what republicans want. Pay 10cents on the dollar for some land ready to be developed. You have already tried that trick with federal land to oil companies, privatizing the social safety net, and education, and outsourcing prisons.

Privatizing the city assets is what Snyder wants. That's always what republicans want. Pay 10cents on the dollar for some land ready to be developed. You have already tried that trick with federal land to oil companies, privatizing the social safety net, and education, and outsourcing prisons.

So what's your solution?

the real problem is the long history of Detroit being ruled by socialist Dems like Coleman Young and other "MFICs"

Melissa 'your children don't belong to you' Harris-Perry disagrees. And I am not making this up...


We can talk about the microstory of Detroit, but it seems to me that Detroit, as always, is standing for all kinds of things about America. In the case of Detroit, the reason that the tax base has become so small is because a loss of population, right? So folks out, they are not there to pay the taxes on the homes and the kind of deterioration is what you see in the numbers you’ve suggested. But this lack of tax base is also exactly the kind of thing that many Republicans would impose on us, even when our cities have sufficient populations, even when our communities have sufficient populations., This is what it looks like when government is small enough to drown in your bathtub, and it is not a pretty picture .

I have no words.

Privatizing the city assets is what Snyder wants. That's always what republicans want. Pay 10cents on the dollar for some land ready to be developed. You have already tried that trick with federal land to oil companies, privatizing the social safety net, and education, and outsourcing prisons.

The city is begging for some innovative solutions like Jack Kemp style enterprise zones. But the Dems running the city and their union masters would never permit it.

The auto unions took cut, so did teachers in Wisconsin. So will the retired civil workers, but they won't be cut out completely like Snyder wants. Rebuild through this transition from one revenue manufacturing stream to a diverse multiple stream set up should be a cooperative effort of state/local/and federal planning and investment, not just a giveaway to rich guys.

What this demonstrates is that pension schemes should be funded so that no long term liability exists

The auto unions took cut, so did teachers in Wisconsin. So will the retired civil workers, but they won't be cut out completely like Snyder wants. Rebuild thru this transition from one revenue manufacturing stream to a diverse multiple stream set up should be a cooperative effort of state/local/and federal planning and investment, not just a giveaway to rich guys.

They will have no choice but to do what the court says... there are some complications because of state and local laws... but not sure how much of a factor that will be when a judge is hearing a bankruptcy case .
http://www.freep.com/article/20130719/NEWS06/307190075/Michigan-AG-challenges-judge-s-ruling-Detroit-bankruptcy-unconstitutional
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130719/METRO01/307190099/Ingham-County-judge-rules-Detroit-bankruptcy-withdrawn?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Best guess is that Judge Rosemary Aquilina will try to used this decision to leverage her prospects for opportunities in the imperial administration .

More likely ,the emperor will intercede and impose an unconstitutional fix like he did to the auto industry.

Aquilina issued a declaratory judgment that says the bankruptcy filing violated the Michigan Constitution.

“In order to rectify his unauthorized and unconstitutional actions... the Governor must (1) direct the Emergency Manager to immediately withdraw the Chapter 9 petition filed on July 18, and (2) not authorize any further Chapter 9 filing which threatens to diminish or impair accrued pension benefits,” she said in her order.

Raiding the pension fund is his goal, and who rolls over for that tactic? Lets rename Snyder Govenor Corporate Raider and he is using the same tactic that he used to hide and pass an abortion bill. Dictate instead of negotiate? And being sneaky too?


the emperor will intercede and impose an unconstitutional fix like he did to the auto industry.

Show me that ruling. We both know you cannot. And never mind that it worked.

So what's your solution?

If we can rebuild Europe, we can rebuild Detroit. DUH!!

If we can rebuild Europe, we can rebuild Detroit. DUH!!!!!!!

I believe that's what he's trying to do, but your answer is more of what got them there.

I believe that's what he's trying to do, but your answer is more of what got them there.

We saved the auto industry, banks, and Wall Street, and we can't save Detroit? Dude!

We saved the auto industry, banks, and Wall Street, and we can't save Detroit? Dude!

Actually the auto industry isn't done yet. The gobermint still owns 30% of the stock and it still hasn't turned around to where it was before. The banks scheme was to make the rich richer and money wasn't spent as intended when it was approved. Wall Street? What a joke its barely hanging by a thread and proped up by govrnment money making obaas friends rich while the people starve. Great job indeed.

Actually the auto industry isnt done yet. The gobermint still owns 30% of the stock and it still hasnt turned around to where it was before. The banks scheme was to make the rich richer and money wasnt spent as intended when it was approved. Wall Street? What a joke its barely hanging by a thread and proped up by govrnment money making obaas friends rich while the people starve. Great job indeed.

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm not) but isn't that exactly what Tal rails against on a daily basis, making the rich richer while the people starve?

It's come to this. Melissa "your children don't belong to you" Harris-Perry has donned tampon earrings in solidarity with the women whose tampons and other items they had planned to throw in the Senate chamber were seized and disposed of by state troopers.

http://thisistwitchy.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/melissaharrisperry_tamponearrings_large.jpg?w=430&h=242

Of course they also confiscated "one jar suspected to contain urine, 18 jars suspected to contain feces and three bottles suspected to contain paint” so who knows what the strategy there was, dip the tampons in the jars before tossing them on people? You feminists are so civilized..

I like the look though, Melissa. Only next time may I suggest wearing a douche necklace to go with that?

Two peas in a pod.

Bite me.

By the way, Biden has the administration's solution to the Detroit problem.


Can we help Detroit? We are now going through exactly in detail what — We had a meeting yesterday, just getting a brief on the status. The question is, um, we don’t know at this point.

Charles Krauthammer explains, “He said essentially, ‘We have no idea,’ but it took him a paragraph.”

By the way, Biden has the administration's solution to the Detroit problem.



Charles Krauthammer explains, “He said essentially, ‘We have no idea,’ but it took him a paragraph.”

Look it is another problem of throw money at it. BO can just do a takeover like he did for GM

Detroit is a prime example of you can't fix stupid...

Decades if not generations of stupidity piled on stupidity got them in that mess. There isn't enough money in the world to fix that kind of stupid if they refuse to deal with the root cause.

Yes how do you stop a population migrating, inquiring minds want to know

Yes how do you stop a population migrating, inquiring minds want to know
We tell them there is lots of gold for the taking in the outback... and buy them one way tickets.

First plane leaves tomorrow.

No, doesn't work, mining gold means work, hard work, no one wants to do that anymore. There are huge deposits of gold and other minerals in the outback but unfortunately, no water, no food and no takers. The gold they are after is the fortnightly pension cheque. Look if our abo's got off their proverbial and went fossicking they would be very wealthy, if our asylum seekers did the same thing they would all be dead in a month

We are are happy to buy them one way tickets to home and even then we can't stop them migrating

No, doesn't work, mining gold means work, hard work, noone wants to do that anymore. There are huge deposits of gold and other minerals in the outback but unfortunately, no water, no food and no takers. The gold they are after is the fortnightly pension cheque. Look if our abo's got off their proverbial and went fossicking they would be very wealthy, if our asylum seekers did the same thing they would all be dead in a month

We are are happy to buy them one way tickets to home and even then we can't stop them migrating

If everyone gets lucky... they will just die out there and nobody would know... Quantas makes money... whoever drops them off out there makes money... whoever sells them the mining stuff makes money... and once a year they can go out and collect the tools to sell to the next bunch again.

Its all in the art of how its advertised... if they think all they have to do is kick some dirt around and pick it up... they will buy it. They might be lazy... but they aren't very smart.

If everyone gets lucky...they will just die out there and nobody would know....Quantas makes money...whoever drops them off out there makes money....whoever sells them the mining stuff makes money...and once a year they can go out and collect the tools to sell to the next bunch again.

Its all in the art of how its advertised....if they think all they have to do is kick some dirt around and pick it up....they will buy it. They might be lazy...but they aren't very smart.

Hey! We are trying to stop people getting on leaky boats because they die, what part of we don't want them to die do you not understand? We would like them to go dig holes in the ground, etc but they have no skill for this, wouldn't know one end of a shovel from the other. Your scheme would work with yanks because they understand wealth. These people don't understand wealth, they pay huge sums of money to get on planes and leaky boats to come to a place that is going to imprison them and send them back. There is a disconnect there, anyway to dig holes in the ground here you need thumping great machines.

Let's say I say to you that you can find gold and gemstones in any stream, will you come and look, I didn't say the whole stream was comprised of gold and gemstones or that a thousand people hadn't picked it over before. I know where you can find opel, been there, will you come and dig? Not far from where I live someone found a huge gold nugget, yet there isn't a gold mine in sight. One hundred and fifty years ago the world would have flocked here, not today, even the locals say good luck to you mate.

Hey! we are trying to stop people getting on leaky boats because they die, what part of we don't want them to die do you not understand? We would like them to go dig holes in the ground, etc but they have no skill for this, wouldn't know one end of a shovel from the other. Your scheme would work with yanks because they understand wealth. These people don't understand wealth, they pay huge sums of money to get on planes and leaky boats to come to a place that is going to imprison them and send them back. there is a disconnect there, anyway to dig holes in the ground here you need thumping great machines.

Let's say I say to you that you can find gold and gemstones in any stream, will you come and look, I didn't say the whole stream was comprised of gold and gemstones or that a thousand people hadn't picked it over before. I know where you can find opel, been there, will you come and dig? not far from where I live someone found a huge gold nugget, yet there isn't a gold mine in sight. One hundred and fifty years ago the world would have flocked here, not today, even the locals say good luck to you mate.


Oh you and I know it takes big machines and a lot of know-how, and hard work... if you noticed I mentioned they aren't very smart... the point of the exercise is to clean up the human gene pool a bit.

Oh you and I know it takes big machines and a lot of know-how, and hard work.....if you noticed I mentioned they aren't very smart....the point of the exercise is to clean up the human gene pool a bit.

Now I thought that the superpower over there already had a plan to do just that, and this is why we have the problem. I am not against anyone who wants to come and do some honest work but I don't want any more freeloaders, the costs of cleaning up their mess is getting to be too much Maybe it's them who isn't too smart, do you think, maybe?


If they didn't have wars and put the money into development then these people would find somewhereelse to migrate too, there's an idea you can take to the bank

Now I thought that the superpower over there already had a plan to do just that, and this is why we have the problem. I am not against anyone who wants to come and do some honest work but I don't want any more freeloaders, the costs of cleaning up their mess is getting to be too much Maybe it's them who isn't too smart, do you think, maybe?


If they didn't have wars and put the money into development then these people would find somewhereelse to migrate too, there's an idea you can take to the bank

Naw... I'd rather airdrop them in Atlantis... feed the fishies.

First find Atlantis. I thought we had already found that fabled land about three thousand milles off the coast of Europe. It is the ideal place for them to migrate too. You could absorb all the refugees, 45 Million, and it would hardly cause a ripple, just a couple of big cities really and they would about match the number of empty houses. Look the Detroit population problem solved overnight you have to be positive about this how do you get more demand in the economy, migration!

First find Atlantis. I thought we had already found that fabled land about three thousand milles off the coast of Europe. It is the ideal place for them to migrate too. You could absorb all the refugees, 45 Million, and it would hardly cause a ripple, just a couple of big cities really and they would about match the number of empty houses. look the Detroit population problem solved overnight you have to be positive about this how do you get more demand in the economy, migration!

Naw... its in the south pacific.. there were looking in the wrong place until England found it.

We need to bulldoze detroit... too many bums and criminals there... doesn't need more.

No what England found was what someoneelse found and named the Great South Land of the Holy Spirit in 1606. No ancient civilization here, just Terra Nullis, Terra Australis there was no one here and we want to keep it that way. People only make mess, dig holes leave rubbish all over the place. This is Barbeequearea, land of kangaroo and emu and filthy big black snakes

No what England found was what someoneelse found and named the Great South Land of the Holy Spirit in 1606. No ancient civilization here, just Terra Nullis, Terra Australis there was noone here and we want to keep it that way. People only make mess, dig holes leave rubbish all over the place. This is Barbeequearea, land of kangaroo and emu and filthy big black snakes

And a whole lot of poisionous snakes and venomous spiders... at least from what I see on nature shows. WHere I live we have three types of poisonous snakes (Timber Rattler, copperhead and water moccasin) and only two types of venomous spiders, (brown Recluse and black widow)

Yes we have our share of snakes and spiders but it is rare than anyone gets bitten you are more likely to be bitten by a shark than a snake we have some really nasty little buggers like the white tail spider, get bitten by one of those and your limb will fall off before you discover it is a spider bite. Our funnel web is probably like your black widow but generally if you leave these things alone they will leave you alone unlike the box jelly fish who clears the northern beaches in summer. There is a reason why it took this place so long to develop and why it is not a good idea to bring people from the middle east here. They think these things are ediable and they seem to get washed off the rocks fishing

You do have a lot more of the beasties that help cull the bottom of the gene pool.

THe black widow is mostly dangerous to the young and old and people with weak immune systems... but he brown recluse has one of those nasty venums that cuases flesh to die... sometimes lots of it. The three snakes... you usually have time to get to a hospital... while bad.. they don't raise to the level of a lot of other snakes out there.

I've yet to see a timber rattler around here... but they say there are some... I have seen the other two in my back yard as I back to a wooded lot and have a stream... not a pleasant moment when you are mowing grass lok down and see one coiled between your feet and the mower and don't know where the head or tail are at... (literally between the blades of grass)

Yes I tripped over a nice big red belly black and met one another day near my dam neither were interested in biting me but my adrenalin levels rose. Now had it been a king brown I probably wouldn't be here and when you get a two metre kangaroo cough at you you know it's time to go. We don't carry guns otherwise I would have used one. I had to chase a brown out of my house one day, used sulphur, they don't like that but spiders respond to a spray bottle full of petrol and a match

I get non-poisonous snakes up near my house all the time (Garter and black snakes)... But I know they are safe and eat the bugs and rodents... I leave them alone. Unless they decide my garage or shed are a good nesting place... then I have a problem with them..

I don't live in the bush anymore so it is no longer a problem, I'm sure if there are any around here the cats deal with them in fact I haven't even seen a snake on the road in a long time maybe the cane toads are eating them

I don't live in the bush anymore so it is no longer a problem, I'm sure if there are any around here the cats deal with them in fact I haven't even seen a snake on the road in a long time maybe the cane toads are eating them

I'm in the middle of suburbia... I have to drive at least a few miles to even get to the closest small farm. And this is the land of small lots... and I see Deer, groundhogs... daily.. I see a fox at least once a week.in my back yard... and that's just the daytime critters.

I do have to admit snake sightings aren't exactly a daily thing... but I don't go looking for them either. Mostly because I've learned exactly where they are most likely to be and avoid them.

I also live in suburbia, a small rural city but the nearest farms would be within a mile however we have a rail track between here and there so I expect that cuts the wild off. My daughter lives near a reserve and she has concerns about snakes. We don't have any wildlife around here not like you do in North America but kangaroo are the same risk as you would find deer and wombats; they realign your front suspension very quickly

And eat your expensive landscaping.

Yes that too although in the country we don't have expensive landscaping, I prefer native plants personally they don't need watering and anything but a good mulch.

I can see that the news front is slow when we get to discussing the garden, etc. I note Al Qaeda has rared its ugly head again with a big prison break in Iraq. We would have been better off if we had left well enough alone there but I'm sure someone will get out the drones to solve the problem

yes that too although in the country we don't have expensive landscaping, I prefer native plants personally they don't need watering and anything but a good mulch.

I can see that the news front is slow when we get to discussing the garden, etc. I note Al Qaeda has rared its ugly head again with a big prison break in Iraq. We would have been better off if we had left well enough alone there but I'm sure someone will get out the drones to solve the problem

If we just shot every one of the terrorists after we got everything we needed to know... they wouldn't be running loose.

You know the wet blankets in your government would never allow you to do that otherwise you would have closed gitmo by now. I don't know what the problem is, they had no difficulty offing OBL, and many others with drones. I guess it is your obscession with media and committees and inquiries that stops you from doing it or is it they don't have a gun in their hand, for heaven sake, give them one

yes that too although in the country we don't have expensive landscaping, I prefer native plants personally they don't need watering and anything but a good mulch.

I can see that the news front is slow when we get to discussing the garden, etc. I note Al Qaeda has rared its ugly head again with a big prison break in Iraq. We would have been better off if we had left well enough alone there but I'm sure someone will get out the drones to solve the problem

A far different narrative than the emperor's "AQ is on the run" lie during the campaign last year.
It appears that the Malki government is not capable of taking on AQ without the US help .The emperor suffers from premature withdrawal . He should've stuck with the deal the Bush Adm made with the Iraqi government .

The assault released many senior AQ leaders and was sophisticated in planning and execution.
I doubt if the Shia militias will lay down and take a new surge in Sunni militant attacks. There could be levels of violence not seen since pre-surge 2007 levels.

Below is a link to Thomas Joscelyn's testimony to the House Committee on Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Terrorism, Nonproliferation, and Trade about AQ . It doesn't speak of an organization on the run or facing defeat. (only quoting the final paragraph to answer your comment of "leaving well enough alone" )

Global al Qaeda: Affiliates, objectives, and future challenges - The Long War Journal (http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2013/07/global_al_qaeda_affi.php#ixzz2ZuRvIDVt)


Today, the Al Qaeda Network is more geographically diverse than ever. Al Qaeda and its affiliates are fighting in more countries than at any other time before or after 9/11. It has several established affiliates, which it lacked on September 11, 2001. The ebb and flow of fighting changes the scope of al Qaeda's footprint on a regular basis, but the network has shown the capacity to challenge for territory across Africa, through the Middle East and into Central and South Asia. Meanwhile, al Qaeda's general command maintains safe havens in the Kunar and Nuristan provinces of Afghanistan today.
It is true that al Qaeda's affiliates allocate most of their resources to waging guerilla warfare against their "local" enemies. But if we have learned anything since 9/11 it is that the gains made by al Qaeda "over there" can easily lead to a threat against Americans "over here." Indeed, al Qaeda's expansion in recent years has led to more threats against the U.S. Homeland, not less.
Here are four examples.
First, AQAP has emerged as a threat to the U.S. Homeland. AQAP was decimated after 2003 by a relentless counterterrorism campaign. But in early 2009 the group was reborn after al Qaeda's Saudi and Yemeni wings united. By December 25, 2009, AQAP had placed a suicide bomber on board a Detroit-bound plane. Luck and the vigilance of the passengers on board Flight 253 saved the day. Prior to the Christmas Day bombing attempt, many counterterrorism analysts assumed that AQAP was only interested in attacking targets inside Yemen. Several attempted attacks by AQAP have followed that initial failure.

Second, months later, in May 2010, the Pakistani Taliban (TTP) dispatched a terrorist to Times Square. The SUV bomb did not go off, saving numerous lives. The Pakistani Taliban is the same group, discussed above, that shares a "symbiotic relationship" with al Qaeda. The Pakistani Taliban's resources are devoted, by and large, to operations inside Pakistan and Afghanistan. And yet the group almost detonated a truck bomb in the heart of New York.

Third, on April 22 of this year, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) announced that they had disrupted an al Qaeda plot to derail a passenger train traveling from New York to Toronto. This was the first known al Qaeda plot against Canada since 9/11. RCMP officials said the plotters received "direction and guidance" from al Qaeda members in Iran.

Fourth, al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) has had a hand in plots against the West. In 2004, according to the Department of Homeland Security, Osama bin Laden instructed then AQI emir Abu Musab al Zarqawi to assemble a cell capable of striking the U.S. In 2007, failed attacks in London and Glasgow were tied back to AQI.33 And in June of this year Iraqi officials claimed to have disrupted a sarin and mustard gas plot that was intended to target Iraq, Europe and the U.S.34

Luckily, these plots have either been foiled or failed for other reasons. It has always been difficult to mount a large-casualty attack against the U.S. Homeland. But the diversity of attempted attacks against the U.S. Homeland demonstrates that while the Al Qaeda Network is fighting for territory "over there," it remains a threat to Americans "over here."

you know the wet blankets in your government would never allow you to do that otherwise you would have closed gitmo by now. I don't know what the problem is, they had no difficulty offing OBL, and many others with drones. I guess it is your obscession with media and committees and inquiries that stops you from doing it or is it they don't have a gun in their hand, for heaven sake, give them one

I personally believe terrorists are legally entitled to nothing... not even food.

But I don't get to call the shots.

Oh no they are entitled to a legal death

Oh no they are entitled to a legal death

Bullet to the skull... quick efficient and cheap.

However there are a select few I'd bind their arms and legs and throw them in a pen of hungry hogs to be eaten alive.

But again... I don't get to make such decisions.

No too extreme just use the KISS principle

Well the latter does offer a time savings in being a hole doesn't need to be dug and filled back in.

It's come to this... the NSA can snoop on us at "thousands of trillions of operations per second" - but allegedly can't search its own emails.

NSA Says It Can’t Search Its Own Emails - ProPublica (http://www.propublica.org/article/nsa-says-it-cant-search-own-emails)

Hello again, Steve:

Don't look at me.. I believe the Constitution.. I believed it when Bush was violating it, and I believe it when Obama is.

excon

You seem pretty flexible when it comes to the first and second amendments.

Hello again, Steve:

Nahhh... A hospital is NOT a church, and a background check BEFORE you buy a gun is NOT a limit on your rights to own a gun...

All that is just so. But, I'm used to you guys BENDING the Constitution to suit your needs..

excon

It's freedom of religion, not freedom of church. Religion is not confined to inside the church walls and the church is not confined to a building with a steeple, but you already know that. Plus, we already have background checks, but you know that, too.

Virginia Gov. Candidate Cuccinelli Defending Law That Forbids Oral Sex | Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/04/cuccinelli-wants-rehearing-virginias-anti-sodomy-law)

You can't make this stuff up.

Why would you want to it's a perfectly good law

"the case at hand involves consensual, heterosexual oral sex, but, as the New York Times explained in 2011, it's "icky": The sex was between a 47-year-old man and two teenagers above Virginia's age of consent."

No biggie there. Why would we want to keep perverted old farts from getting their jollies with teens?

47 is an old fart? :(

Hello again, Steve:

two teenagers ABOVE Virginia's age of consent."

No biggie there. Why would we want to keep perverted old farts from getting their jollies with teens?If being ABOVE the age of consent is STILL too young, then RAISE the age of consent... But, DON'T stop everybody from getting some head...

And, you want to know why we think you're warring on us.. DUDE!

Excon

Heck.. if a 47 year old guy can get a couple 18 or 19 year olds... more power to him. That is legal age for everything but bar hopping.

Odds are theiy are either gold diggers or have daddy issues... I'm guessing this was one of the former as those are far more common.

What is it you don't get young guys just don't cut it they are up themselves

Hello again, Steve:
If being ABOVE the age of consent is STILL too young, then RAISE the age of consent... But, DON'T stop everybody from getting some head...

And, you wanna know why we think you're warring on us.. DUDE!

excon

Even the NY Times called it "icky" but not you.

Hello again, Steve:

Even the NY Times called it "icky" but not you.What's important HERE, on THIS website, is NOT the actions of ONE person, but the actions of a political party - YOURS!!

That's where I'm going to spend my time.. Of course, you don't like it.

Excon

Um... its Wiener (a Democrat) that's been caught... several times using twitter to show the world his junk.

Most of whom likely were thinking to themselves... "Dude..put your pants back on..."

Come on Speech, do you really want to be telling adults what to do in the bedroom? Bad enough you want to stick stuff up a women's vagina whether her and her doctor want it or not, but dictating what kind of sex adults have is a bit much don't you think?

I mean how would you even enforce it?

Don't worry... Cat ladies and the Equestrian Love association will be lobbying for their right to interspecies marriage soon.

So will the Mormons who still believe in Polygamy too.

Hello again, Steve:
What's important HERE, on THIS website, is NOT the actions of ONE person, but the actions of a political party - YOURS!!!

That's where I'm gonna spend my time.. Of course, you don't like it.

excon

Dude, I live in reality, not this make-believe land of yours.

Come on Speech, do you really want to be telling adults what to do in the bedroom? Bad enough you want to stick stuff up a women's vagina whether her and her doctor want it or not, but dictating what kind of sex adults have is a bit much don't you think?

I mean how would you even enforce it?

All I'm saying is it wasn't that long ago the repulsion of a 47 year old man sexing up two teen boys would have been bipartisan. You approve, I don't, I think he's a pervert - another one you defend.

Hello again, Steve:

Are you missing the point ON PURPOSE??

Because we don't support a law that, if enforced, would put EVERYBODY in prison, doesn't mean that we support a pervert.

Besides, it COULD be argued, that anybody who wants to PREVENT everybody from enjoying the wonders of oral sex, is the REAL pervert here.

excon

You don't make laws because something between consenting adults repulses you and you putting labels on people because of that repulsion isn't fair either, and none of your, or anyone else's, business at all.

But the real issue for me is your side's callous disrespect for the rights of all consenting adults caught up in your narrow condemnation of a few. This goes well beyond affecting just those you say are perverts. What about married couple who want to include oral sex in their love making? Are they perverts too?

YES!! According to Cuccinelli, and you're on his side in this travesty?

I actually don't believe in anti-sodomy laws, I believe in protecting teens from perverts. It actually seems your source was mistaken on the facts however. Via WaPo (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/04/03/cuccinelli-challenges-virginia-sodomy-ruling-in-teen-case/):


The appeals court ruled on the 2005 conviction of a 47-year-old Virginia man for contributing to the delinquency of a minor and for criminal solicitation of a 17-year-old girl to commit sodomy.

So, are you OK with 47 year old men sexing up minors and trying to get a blow job from a 17-year-old girl or not? That is the question before you.

Hello again, Steve:

So, are you OK with 47 year old men sexing up minors and trying to get a blow job from a 17-year-old girl or not? That is the question before you.I'm fine with raising the age of consent. I have granddaughters. Let's raise it to 27. But, to tell me that I'm a crook for getting a blow job is outrageous.

Excon

Hello again, Steve:
I'm fine with raising the age of consent. I have granddaughters. Let's raise it to 27. But, to tell me that I'm a crook for getting a blow job is outrageous.

excon

What part of I don't believe in anti-sodomy laws are you not getting? The question is, are you OK with 47 year old men sexing up minors and trying to get a blow job from a 17-year-old girl or not?

The question is, are you OK with 47 year old men sexing up minors and trying to get a blow job from a 17-year-old girl or not?Change the laws if you don't like them. The girls were above the age of consent. Not sure why you don't get that.

Change the laws if you don't like them. The girls were above the age of consent. Not sure why you don't get that.

Again, the fact (http://age-of-consent.info/states/Virginia)s.


The Virginia legal Age of Consent for sexual contact is 18 years old. Eleven states have set their age of consent at 18 years old, the highest legal age of consent in any state.

A close in age exception to the Virginia legal age of consent allows teenagers aged 15, 16 and 17 to engage in sexual acts, but only with a partner younger than 18. Consensual sex where one partner is 15, 16 or 17 and the other is over 18 is a class 1 misdemeanor.

You may like it at 16 in Canada but I happen to think 47 year old men don't have any business preying on teenagers under 18. Apparently Cucinelli doesn't either, and it is his job to defend the laws of the state which is what you guys are condemning him for.

The post that started this discussion was from you and you wrote:

The sex was between a 47-year-old man and two teenagers above Virginia's age of consent."

When did those facts change?

The post that started this discussion was from you and you wrote:


When did those facts change?

That was based on Tal's sourced article. The facts changed here (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3514633-post897.html):


I actually don't believe in anti-sodomy laws, I believe in protecting teens from perverts. It actually seems your source was mistaken on the facts however. Via WaPo (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/04/03/cuccinelli-challenges-virginia-sodomy-ruling-in-teen-case/):


Quote:
The appeals court ruled on the 2005 conviction of a 47-year-old Virginia man for contributing to the delinquency of a minor and for criminal solicitation of a 17-year-old girl to commit sodomy.

So, are you OK with 47 year old men sexing up minors and trying to get a blow job from a 17-year-old girl or not? That is the question before you.


Also supported here (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/25/ken-cuccinelli-sodomy-supreme-court_n_3498444.html) and here (http://washingtonexaminer.com/cuccinelli-fights-court-ruling-that-overturned-virginias-anti-sodomy-law/article/2526175).

Cuccinelli looks to go on offense against McAuliffe over Virginia anti-sodomy law - Washington Post (http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-07-16/local/40610677_1_terry-mcauliffe-court-ruling-u-s-court)


“We agree with the attorney general and do not want child predators out there,” Parrish said, adding that if Cuccinelli thinks the state's other laws aren't adequate to prosecute predators, “he needs to introduce language that addresses the problem. .  . . A blanket sodomy law has no place in Virginia or any other place.”

In 2004, when Cuccinelli served in the state Senate, he voted against a measure that would have altered the sodomy law to no longer cover private consensual acts among adults. In 2009, he said he believed “homosexual acts are wrong and should not be accommodated in government policy.”

You wanted facts, I got facts.

That guy wants to prohibit consensual anal and oral sex for all adults. He is a republican of course.
You can't make this stuff up!

So, are you OK with 47 year old men sexing up minors and trying to get a blow job from a 17-year-old girl or not? That is the question before you.

Funny how you guys whine about the GOP 'distractions' like the IRS scandal but when it comes to the future mayor of NYC treating his wife like dirt while continuing the same behavior that led to his resignation, and the mayor of San Diego harassing his employees to the point that the city attorney is requiring female reporters to have a male cameraman with them to interview the guy, you b*tch about a man doing his job in protecting minors from predators and representing his constituents.

Talk about distractions and misplaced priorities.

doing his job in protecting minors from predatorsNo he's not. He is trying to make illegal oral and anal sex for all adults! Have you ever received oral sex from your wife?

No he's not. he is trying to make illegal oral and anal sex for all adults! Have you ever received oral sex from your wife?

Wrong, the law was already on the books and as AG he was indeed defending the laws of the state in protecting minors. Tal raised the issue, I corrected the facts and suddenly you don't want to talk about the case.

So, are you ok with 47 year old men sexing up minors and trying to get a blow job from a 17-year-old girl or not? That is the question before you.

P.S. I repeat, I don't believe in anti-sodomy laws among consenting adults. I believe in protecting teens from predators.

There are already laws against sex with minors. Is this the only state without one?

There are already laws against sex with minors. Is this the only state without one?

Um, one more time s l o w l y.

That's the point, he was defending current law - his job as attorney general - when Tal tried to make him look bad with incorrect facts.

Mother Jones, his source, said the case was about "sex was between a 47-year-old man and two teenagers above Virginia's age of consent."

But that isn't true, the case is about a 47 year "contributing to the delinquency of a minor and soliciting oral sex from a 17 year old girl. The age of consent is 18.

Basically, you guys are trying to make Cucinelli look extreme for doing his job and protecting minors. How pathetic.

And still, no one answers the question. Are you OK with 47 year old men sexing up minors and trying to get a blow job from a 17-year-old girl or not?

"the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit that said Virginia’s “Crimes Against Nature” law, which bans oral and anal sex, was invalid in light of the 2003 Supreme Court decision. "

Your guy wants that law to still be valid. I get it. He wants to dictate wants consenting adults do in the bedroom.

Also, Dems say:
“We agree with the attorney general and do not want child predators out there,” Parrish said, adding that if Cuccinelli thinks the state’s other laws aren’t adequate to prosecute predators, “he needs to introduce language that addresses the problem. . . . A blanket sodomy law has no place in Virginia or any other place.”

Also:
"In 2004, when Cuccinelli served in the state Senate, he voted against a measure that would have altered the sodomy law to no longer cover private consensual acts among adults. "

You just want to change the subject since the facts didn't quite work out. Sorry.


Um, one more time s l o w l y.

That's the point, he was defending current law - his job as attorney general - when Tal tried to make him look bad with incorrect facts.

Mother Jones, his source, said the case was about "sex was between a 47-year-old man and two teenagers above Virginia's age of consent."

But that isn't true, the case is about a 47 year "contributing to the delinquency of a minor and soliciting oral sex from a 17 year old girl. The age of consent is 18.

Basically, you guys are trying to make Cucinelli look extreme for doing his job and protecting minors. How pathetic.

And still, no one answers the question. Are you ok with 47 year old men sexing up minors and trying to get a blow job from a 17-year-old girl or not?


Answer the question.

You just want to change the subject

No, that IS the subject: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/its-come-rev-2-a-741180-89.html#post3514263

You're the one that is focused on teen girls.

No, that IS the subject: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/its-come-rev-2-a-741180-89.html#post3514263

Exactly right


You're the one that is focused on teen girls.

Again, exactly right. You source said it was about sex between consenting adults but that's a lie, it's about sex with underage teens.

One more time, And still, no one answers the question. Are you ok with 47 year old men sexing up minors and trying to get a blow job from a 17-year-old girl or not?

It's not complicated.

Because we're not talking about one particular situation, we're talking about legislation that affects everyone. That's what adults do.

Plus I answered your question here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/its-come-rev-2-a-741180-92.html#post3514791


but that's a lie, it's about sex with underage teens. Nah, you've lost it.

Health Care Ruling Takeaway: Virginia AG Ken Cuccinelli Is a Bad Lawyer | Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/virginia-ag-ken-cuccinelli-bad-lawyer)


But Cuccinelli's legal work isn't, of course, about the law. It's about politics. His concern with constitutional issues is rather selective. Otherwise, how to explain his office's defense of local law enforcement officials in the state arresting gay men under sodomy laws the Supreme Court declared unconstitutional eight years ago? Or his legal opinion that state universities have no legal right to protect students and staff against anti-gay discrimination, despite the 14th Amendment's promises of equal protection under the law? Or what of his waste of taxpayer dollars suing over the health care bill in a case he had no legitimate right to bring? The health care lawsuit won Cuccinelli fans across the country, who will no doubt come in handy when he needs to raise money when he runs for senator or governor down the road. All of that might make him a good politician, but it still makes him a bad lawyer.


Cuccinelli wants the court to revive the prohibition on consensual anal and oral sex, for both gay and straight people. (The case at hand involves consensual, heterosexual oral sex, but, as the New York Times explained in 2011, it's "icky": The sex was between a 47-year-old man and two teenagers above Virginia's age of consent.)*

Because we're not talking about one particular situation, we're talking about legislation that affects everyone. That's what adults do.

Plus I answered your question here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/its-come-rev-2-a-741180-92.html#post3514791

Nah, you've lost it.

Dude, the original complaint you just cited was deceptive and based on incorrect information. If you can't handle answering your own damn complaint based on the facts then you should probably just shut up.

you should probably just shut up.Tea bagger. LOL

Health Care Ruling Takeaway: Virginia AG Ken Cuccinelli Is a Bad Lawyer | Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/virginia-ag-ken-cuccinelli-bad-lawyer)

What part of those facts are wrong do you not get?

Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - It's come to this - Rev. 2 (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3514660-post903.html)

The case is not about sex between consenting adults, it was about a 47 year "contributing to the delinquency of a minor" and soliciting oral sex from a 17 year old girl. The age of consent is 18.

Tea bagger. LOL

Oh how mature. You're beyond pathetic, but at least we know you've run out of arguments.

The fix is in!!

Detroit's Use of Kevyn Orr's Law Firm: A Conflict of Interest? –  Deadline Detroit (http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/4289/detroit_s_use_of_kevyn_orr_s_firm_a_conflict_of_in terest#.UfGQTqIo7Y8)


Supporters of Orr call it an ideal pairing, adding familiarity and expertise to what could be make-or-break negotiations. Detractors fear it's a dangerous conflict because Jones Day also represents major banks and bondholders to whom Detroit could owe millions of dollars.

"The question is: Who are they representing? Are they representing the interest of the city of Detroit, or are they just looking to get paid?" asked Ed McNeil, special assistant to the president of the city's largest union, AFSCME Council 25.

The vultures are circling.

The fix is in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Detroit's Use of Kevyn Orr's Law Firm: A Conflict of Interest? –  Deadline Detroit (http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/4289/detroit_s_use_of_kevyn_orr_s_firm_a_conflict_of_in terest#.UfGQTqIo7Y8)



The vultures are circling.

I find no such Detroit News article whatsoever. The AFSCME referenced one (http://www.afscme.org/news/press-room/daily-newswire/april-1-2013) on March 29th that's not to be found (http://www.detroitnews.com/Story_not_found). Nothing to see here, move along.

And now for something completely different...

It isn't everyday day a friend calls you to ask "did you know a plane crashed a block from your house"? Yeah, seriously...

Amarillo business owner dies in mid-city plane crash | Amarillo.com Mobile (http://m.amarillo.com/news/local-news/2013-07-25/plane-crashes-home-s-mirror-st)

UPDATE 1-Lawyers square off in first battle over Detroit bankruptcy bid | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/24/usa-detroit-idUSL1N0FU0VU20130724)


We believe those decisions must be made and can only be made by this court in actions brought before this court," said Lennox, an attorney for the law firm Jones Day, which has been hired by the city. Kevyn Orr, a corporate bankruptcy lawyer tapped by Michigan officials in March as Detroit's emergency manager, also worked for Jones Day before joining the city.

Stay tuned.

Absolutely riveting stuff can't wait for the next instalment who is writing the script

The Orr thing is old news.

So much for ANY ethics thanks to the Owebama disaster... and Obama directed Racism..

Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey Criminally Indicted By Citizens' Grand Jury For Allegedly Falsifying Arrest Warrant And Complaint - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20130702-905033.html?mod=googlenews_wsj)

Florida State's Attorney Angela Corey has been indicted by a citizens' grand jury, convening in Ocala, Florida, over the alleged falsification of the arrest warrant and complaint that lead to George Zimmerman being charged with the second degree murder of African-American teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida.

The indictment of Corey, which was handed down last week (see Citizens Grand Jury (http://www.citizensgrandjury.com)), charges Corey with intentionally withholding photographic evidence of the injuries to George Zimmerman's head in the warrant she allegedly rushed to issue under oath, in an effort to boost her reelection prospects. At the outset of this case, black activists such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, who whipped up wrath against Zimmerman, demanded that he be charged with murder, after local police had thus far declined to arrest him pending investigation.

Following Corey's criminal complaint charging Zimmerman, legal experts such as Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz condemned her for falsely signing an arrest affidavit under oath, which intentionally omitted exculpatory evidence consisting of the photographs showing the injuries Zimmerman sustained, and rushing to charge him with second degree murder under political pressure. Dershowitz called her actions unethical and themselves crimes (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/drop-george-zimmerman-murder-charge- article-1.1080161).

Yeah nice going Florida, Zimmerman and gangbanger kill and go free, but an abused mom gets 20 years. Alec and conservatives are lousy law makers and obviously apply the law by the most stupid of standards.

What kind of retard does this?

Vandals splash paint on Lincoln Memorial - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/lincoln-memorial-vandalized-with-green-paint/2013/07/26/b48a3e32-f5da-11e2-a2f1-a7acf9bd5d3a_story.html)

http://newsbcpcol.stb.s-msn.com/amnews/i/f7/e3447331cc80537969a8eaa874d44/_h353_w628_m6_otrue_lfalse.jpg

Probably some AIDS riddled retard.

What kind of retard does this?

Vandals splash paint on Lincoln Memorial - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/lincoln-memorial-vandalized-with-green-paint/2013/07/26/b48a3e32-f5da-11e2-a2f1-a7acf9bd5d3a_story.html)

http://newsbcpcol.stb.s-msn.com/amnews/i/f7/e3447331cc80537969a8eaa874d44/_h353_w628_m6_otrue_lfalse.jpg

I think we are going to find out soon... there are security cameras all over that area...

I'm guessing it's a democrat... likely one of the "Occupy" degenerates.

Hmmm green paint

Yep, that's your first clue.

Ah, MSNBC, the station that gave us Chris asking if women ever sext (as if Weinergate was a gay thing), tampon earrings and laid all manner of ridiculous blame on conservatives for Detroit's downfall, now tells us Detroit is becoming the country's most "libertarian city." (http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-cycle/52567974)


Detroit’s debt is $18 billion. … While it suffered for years under mismanagement and corruption under many Democratic officials, today Detroit is fast becoming the most libertarian city in the United States. In many areas, there are basically no public services besides decaying roads and bombed-out infrastructure. 40 percent of the streetlights don’t work at night, and that leaves a troubled city stuck in the dark. Even police and emergency services have literally become optional. Think about it like this: Across the country, a call to police brings a response in about 11 minutes. In Detroit now, the average is 58 minutes, and many times it takes much longer if the police come at all.

I'm betting most of their 19 viewers just nodded their heads in agreement.

Well... Chris Matthews is a mental midget... He has trouble understanding why some shoes are brown while others are black.

It's come to this, a victory for free speech - in France.

Being rude to French president no longer an offense (http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE96O0PG20130725?irpc=932)

Vive la Flanby!

MSNBC's Chris Hayes (http://www.mrc.org/biasalerts/msnbcs-hayes-frustrating-more-people-prison-while-crime-going-down):


What I find most frustrating is what we have seen is incarceration go up at the same time that crime is going down, and yet the fear level is still stoked, even though what we have objectively is less murders every year, we have less crime, we are living in a safer society, and we are putting more people in prison.

I could be wrong, but maybe there's a connection between more people and prison and lower crime rates.

G'morning, Steve:

My first reaction to more people in prison is that they're imprisoning more non violent drug offenders... While that's TRUE, they're also putting more bad guys in there too.

So, the answer to the crime rate going down is putting the RIGHT people in prison...

But, in the main, I agree with you. If a law is WORKING, why would we want to change it? Similarly, I didn't understand why, if the Voting Rights Act is WORKING, we would want to change it..

Kind of stupid, huh?

excon

Contrary to what some Democrats believe Illegals don't have the right to vote, nor should they... those with a right to vote.. are only entitled to ONE vote... not however many they can get away with.

A photo ID like is required in most of the world... ensured that only one vote is made.. and its made only by those entitled to cast a vote.

Don't worry, you got an old white Republican dude that supports voter ID working on a fix (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/23/jim-sensenbrenner-voting-rights-act_n_3636311.html).

G'morning, Steve:

My first reaction to more people in prison is that they're imprisoning more non violent drug offenders... While that's TRUE, they're also putting more bad guys in there too.

So, the answer to the crime rate going down is putting the RIGHT people in prison...

But, in the main, I agree with you. If a law is WORKING, why would we want to change it? Similarly, I didn't understand why, if the Voting Rights Act is WORKING, we would want to change it..

Kinda stupid, huh?

excon


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc-Pd8wVPWs

It's come to this...

Gov't Knows Best? White House creates 'nudge squad' to shape behavior (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/30/govt-knows-best-white-house-creates-nudge-squad-to-shape-behavior/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Interna l+-+Politics+-+Text%29#ixzz2aYw0se5Q)

Terrific.

It's come to this (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9525557/nfl-makes-major-pro-bowl-changes) for the game no one cares about...


The NFL is overhauling the Pro Bowl, eliminating the AFC-NFC format in favor of captains picking 43 players per team regardless of conference.

In addition, kickoffs will be eliminated from the game as a safety measure, one of several changes to the game. A coin toss will determine which squad gets the game's opening possession. The ball will be placed at the 25-yard line at the start of the game and after scoring plays. Since there will be no kickoffs, the kick-return specialist Pro Bowl roster spot will be replaced with an additional defensive back spot.

The loss of a kick returner Pro Bowl spot angered Oakland Raiders returner Josh Cribbs, who said in a link from his twitter page that the game was now "tainted." He followed that up with another tweet.

Voting for the game also will be changed, as conference affiliation no longer will be considered in determining the All-Star selections. The two leading vote-getters will be named captains and will be assisted by Hall of Famers Jerry Rice and Deion Sanders and two NFL.com fantasy football champions in picking the two teams.

I think maybe Barry Switzer had the right idea about the game back in '95 (http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Switzer-eats-while-NFC-team-is-embarrassed-in-Pro-3158897.php)...

"It was a three-hot-dog ballgame," he said. "I watched on the big screen with the cool mist sprayer on me."

I like to see which player has some real or imagined gripe and goes all out while every other player is dogging it... normally that is the player who ends up as MVP of the game...

It's come to this...

Gov't Knows Best? White House creates 'nudge squad' to shape behavior (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/30/govt-knows-best-white-house-creates-nudge-squad-to-shape-behavior/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Interna l+-+Politics+-+Text%29#ixzz2aYw0se5Q)

Terrific.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
( C.S. Lewis)

I like to see which player has some real or imagined gripe and goes all out while every other player is dogging it ... normally that is the player who ends up as MVP of the game....

I can't even remember the last time I watched, I think it was the Switzer hot dog game.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
( C.S. Lewis)

That is profound, and an exact description of the current administration.

In the good ole days of the cold war the soviet system used to call places where "Behavioral Insights Teams" work, "re-education camps".

Strange I thought they called it Siberia

in the good ole days of the cold war the soviet system used to call places where "Behavioral Insights Teams" work, "re-education camps".

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you, Moral Statute Machines.

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Coming soon to a neighborhood near you, Moral Statute Machines.

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They are already here, they are called conservatives. They're just saving us from ourselves.

They are already here, they are called conservatives. They're just saving us from ourselves.

Uh, coming from the guys who never saw a regulation they didn't love (unless it comes to protecting women from butchers), thinks we want to throw everyone to the wolves and is now foisting a "nudge squad" on us that's quite a statement.

It's come to this... yesterday I downloaded a free interview of the emperor on my Kindle... Today I found out that Amazon had to pay for the privilege of conducting the interview ,and has other business relationships with the emperor .

Amazon employees gave Obama $116,000 before exclusive interview - NYPOST.com (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/how_kindle_parked_bam_ScERjnPFVTMNF1JfT1vtiI)

Hello again, tom:

So, way back in '12, when he was running for president, some Amazon employees contributed to his campaign, and you say they're connected...

Well, I suppose they are, in that, he's not going to give Halliburton an exclusive interview. Why SHOULDN'T he visit friendly places?

I'm not surprised you call it paying for an interview... Still looking for some corruption, huh? Why don't you try over there??

excon

Sigh, at least it got panned.

Actually I figured they did it because Amazon didn't want an IRS audit.

Thank goodness they got the little b@stard...


Armed agents raid animal shelter for baby deer (http://www.wisn.com/news/armed-agents-raid-animal-shelter-for-baby-deer/-/9373668/21272108/-/item/1/-/13d8x2lz/-/index.html)

KENOSHA, Wis. —WISN 12 News investigates an operation raising questions about the use of government resources and the state policy that meant a death sentence for a fawn.

"It was like a SWAT team," shelter employee Ray Schulze said.

Two weeks ago, Schulze was working in the barn at the Society of St. Francis on the Kenosha-Illinois border when a swarm of squad cars arrived and officers unloaded with a search warrant.

"(There were) nine DNR agents and four deputy sheriffs, and they were all armed to the teeth," Schulze said.

The focus of their search was a baby fawn brought there by an Illinois family worried she had been abandoned by her mother.

"When it made a little noise, it sounded like it was laughing," Schulze said.

Schulze videotaped the fawn they named Giggles during the two weeks she was there. The Department of Natural Resources began investigating after two anonymous calls reporting a baby deer at the no-kill shelter.

The warden drafted an affidavit for the search warrant, complete with aerial photos in which he described getting himself into a position where he was able to see the fawn going in and out of the barn.

Agents told staff they came to seize the deer because Wisconsin law forbids the possession of wildlife.

"I said the deer is scheduled to go to the wildlife reserve the next day," Schulze said.

It was to go to a wildlife reserve in Illinois that allows the rehabilitation of deer. Schulze said agents corralled workers near the picnic area and then set out in search of the fawn.

"I was thinking in my mind they were going to take the deer and take it to a wildlife shelter, and here they come carrying the baby deer over their shoulder. She was in a body bag," Schulze said. "I said, 'Why did you do that?' He said, 'That's our policy,' and I said, 'That's one hell of a policy.'"

Well the good residents of Wisconsin no longer have Giggles to fear...

I hear fawns makes the most tender venison cuts .

It's come to this...

Gov't Knows Best? White House creates 'nudge squad' to shape behavior (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/30/govt-knows-best-white-house-creates-nudge-squad-to-shape-behavior/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Interna l+-+Politics+-+Text%29#ixzz2aYw0se5Q)

Terrific.

I shook some cob webs from my head and finally recalled when this NUDGE stuff had come up before. I started an OP in 2009 about Cass Sunstein who is the architect of NUDGE ,and a former advisor (czar ) to the emperor.

More of the wacky garbage the future Regulatory czar promotes...
In a book he wrote last year “Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness,” Sunstein argued that the main reason that more people do not donate their organs is because they are required to choose donation. You know ;they are just too lazy to be bothered to check the box on their driver's license. Or maybe it's just too much an inconvenience.

Anyway ;
Cass thinks that they really meant to check that box so why not assume they intended to do so and then act on that premise unless they specifically indicated that they didn't want their organs donated for transplant ?
It's called “presumed consent.”

You see ;you have to nudge people to do the right thing. Or in some more Orwellianism the government mandates the choice.
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With mandated choice, renewal of your driver's license would be accompanied by a requirement that you check a box stating your organ donation preferences,. Your application would not be accepted unless you had checked one of the boxes
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In her review of “Nudge," the New Yorker's Elizabeth Kolbert stated that Sunstein and Thaler seem to hold "the belief that, faced with certain options, people will consistently make the wrong choice. Therefore, they argue, people should be offered options that work with, rather than against, their unreasoning tendencies. These foolish-proof choices they label 'nudges.'"
The Sunstein Also Rises - Political Punch
Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - Cass Sunstein 'There is no liberty without dependency' (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/1971702-post6.html)

And there you have it in their own words, progressives think we're to stupid to know what's good for us therefore or benevolent government must be involved in every aspect of our lives. While preaching about 'choice' and telling us to mind our own business of course.

It's come to this... Seattle has decided that the words 'citizen' and 'brown-bag' are offensive.

City officials urge ban on 'potentially offensive' language | Local & Regional | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/City-officials-urge-ban-on-potentionally-offensive-language----218033521.html?tab=video&c=y)

Apparently the state of Washington has also banned the use of gender specific words like journeyman and penmanship. I believe unions are the worst offenders when it comes to the use of 'journeyman'. I'm just sayin'.

The good news is apparently there are still some citizens of Seattle that find it ridiculous and will still brown-bag it.

Without unions to set the wage scale, you would be a cheap slave with no benefits.

Without unions to set the wage scale, you would be a cheap slave with no benefits.

No one denies unions did some good but this isn't the 1930s, they exist now chiefly to fatten the wallets of union leaders and do the bidding of their political cronies. Exactly the sort of thing you whine about daily when it comes to corporations. Without unions Detroit might be solvent.

George Will...


Detroit’s population, which is 62 percent smaller than in 1950, has contracted less than the United Auto Workers membership, which was more than 1 million in 1950, and now is around 390,000. Auto industry executives, who often were invertebrate mediocrities, continually bought labor peace by mortgaging their companies’ futures in surrenders to union demands. Then city officials gave their employees — who have 47 unions, including one for crossing guards — pay scales comparable to those of autoworkers. Thus did private-sector decadence drive public-sector dysfunction — government negotiating with government-employees’ unions that are government organized as an interest group to lobby itself to do what it wants to do: Grow.

Steven Rattner, who administered the bailout of part of the Detroit-based portion of America’s automobile industry, says “apart from voting in elections, the 700,000 remaining residents of the Motor City are no more responsible for Detroit’s problems than were the victims of Hurricane Sandy for theirs.” Congress, he says, should bail out Detroit because “America is just as much about aiding those less fortunate as it is about personal responsibility.”

There you have today’s liberalism: Human agency, hence responsibility, is denied. Apart from the pesky matter of “voting in elections” — apart from decades of voting to empower incompetents, scoundrels and criminals, and to mandate unionized rapacity — no one is responsible for anything. Popular sovereignty is a chimera because impersonal forces akin to hurricanes are sovereign.

The restoration of America’s vitality depends on, among many other things, avoiding the bottomless sinkhole that would be created by the federal government rescuing one-party cities, and one-party states such as Illinois, from the consequences of unchecked power. Those consequences of such power — incompetence, magical thinking, cynicism, and sometimes criminality — are written in Detroit’s ruins.

http://www.pal-item.com/article/20130801/OPINION/308010005/Detroit-s-ruins-provide-lesson-decadence-dysfunction?nclick_check=1

But obviously this is another lesson liberals have not learned.

Your right wing blogger is full of crap. As usual. And I wasn't referring to the 1930's, I was specifically talking about YOUR wages now.

Your right wing blogger is full of crap. As usual. And I wasn't referring to the 1930's, I was specifically talking about YOUR wages now.

George Will is not a right wing blogger, he's a Pulitzer Prize winner with a doctorate in politics from Princeton. And no it isn't the thirties any more, that's the point. Unions aren't needed. I do just fine and have never been a union member.

a doctorate in politics from PrincetonStupid useless liberal education

George Will is not a right wing blogger, he's a Pulitzer Prize winner with a doctorate in politics from Princeton. And no it isn't the thirties any more, that's the point. Unions aren't needed. I do just fine and have never been a union member.

But you have benefited from unions and you cannot ignore that as bad as you want to. I would say unions are exactly what minimum wage workers need right now.


Stupid useless liberal education

Wingers live by different values and principles NK, they are always right, and everyone else is wrong.

But you have benefited from unions and you cannot ignore that as bad as you want to. I would say unions are exactly what minimum wage workers need right now.



Wingers live by different values and principles NK, they are always right, and everyone else is wrong.

Again, unions are unnecessary today and they exist to fatten union leaders wallets and do Democrats bidding. The exact kind of cronyism you deplore on a daily basis. Plus, we aren't the ones claiming you were duped by a dufus.

Fast food worker and even other minimum wage workers are increasingly striking and protesting here, so yeah they will eventually get a fair value for there time and effort if they stick to it. Reminds me of the good old days and how employer health insurance came about.

Yes we still need union, more now than before.*


The exact kind of cronyism you deplore on a daily basis. Plus, we aren't the ones claiming you were duped by a dufus.

Fair wages, and equal protection under the law, and value of a living wage isn't cronyism. It's the American way so don't twist it around for your own purpose. And don't suggest we are fair weather friend for our support of this president or his effort no matter the right wing spin. We know he isn't perfect, none of us is and no president ever was.

His supporters know full well the right wing is as relentless a it I loud.


*Same response from another thread.

Fast food worker and even other minimum wage workers are increasingly striking and protesting here, so yeah they will eventually get a fair value for there time and effort if they stick to it. Reminds me of the good old days and how employer health insurance came about.

Yes we still need union, more now than before.*



Fair wages, and equal protection under the law, and value of a living wage isn't cronyism. Its the American way so don't twist it around for your own purpose. And don't suggest we are fair weather friend for our support of this president or his effort no matter the right wing spin. We know he isn't perfect, none of us is and no president ever was.

His supporters know full well the right wing is as relentless a it I loud.


*Same response from another thread.

So what wage limit are you calling for to pay these workers? $25 an hour? What?


This president has been a miserable failure and it seems he's just a puppet with someone else's arm up his to make him speak.

Stupid useless liberal education

Better a liberal education than no education at all, you all!

We knew this was coming. I wonder how long before it comes home to roost?

Gay Couple Set to Sue Church of England Over Refusal to Offer Same-Sex Nuptials (http://news.yahoo.com/gay-couple-set-sue-church-england-over-refusal-180107808.html)

It's come to this... Seattle has decided that the words 'citizen' and 'brown-bag' are offensive.

City officials urge ban on 'potentially offensive' language | Local & Regional | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/City-officials-urge-ban-on-potentionally-offensive-language----218033521.html?tab=video&c=y)

Apparently the state of Washington has also banned the use of gender specific words like journeyman and penmanship. I believe unions are the worst offenders when it comes to the use of 'journeyman'. I'm just sayin'.

The good news is apparently there are still some citizens of Seattle that find it ridiculous and will still brown-bag it.

You see... citizen and brown bag are 'old school'... Rachel Jeantel told me that .
Morgan Freeman is a victim of this madness too... he no longer can use the words 'black hole' when discussing the universe on his show

Unbelievable

hes just a puppet with someone elses arm up his to make him speak.This is true of all your politicians.

As I said I've never been a union member and I do just fine. If anything I'll do worse thanks to your president's health care fiasco which unions aren't even happy with.

I6 is not true of my politicians

As I said I've never been a union member and I do just fine. If anything I'll do worse thanks to your president's health care fiasco which unions aren't even happy with.

They will be when the particular issues they have are resolved, which they will be. For example, workers who have seasonal jobs will likely keep what they have.

Again you conflate specific issues to be resolved with hating the whole law. Not being in a union is your choice, others can make their own.

Bull crap

They will be when the particular issues they have are resolved, which they will be. For example, workers who have seasonal jobs will likely keep what they have.

Again you conflate specific issues to be resolved with hating the whole law. Not being in a union is your choice, others can make their own.

So you think that they should be a protected class of persons just because they are in a union? That is what your suggesting because their main complaint is the penalty they have to pay for their "cadillac" premium plans they have enjoyed because of their negotiations.

Everyone but conservatives and babies are a protected class to the left.

you see.......citizen and brown bag are 'old school' .....Rachel Jeantel told me dat .
Morgan Freeman is a victim of this madness too... he no longer can use the words 'black hole' when discussing the universe on his show

So how will we distinguish between mustards? I know, clear jars and 'no labels.'

For one, they are not cadillac plans, and for two, unions negotiate. That's how issues are resolved through negotiating, and what's wrong with having a union of workers with a voice to shape their own interest?

Oh that's right, wingers don't believe workers have any rights. Masters and slaves is your broken business model right? Or is it the workers are greedy and lazy and the rich guy with the millions is the victim? That's loony all right!

As loony as thinking a fair shake is a protected class of people!!

Were that true to might have a point but as usual you're trapped in fantasyland. And still excusing your own cronyism.

For one, they are not cadillac plans, and for two, unions negotiate. That's how issues are resolved thru negotiating, and what's wrong with having a union of workers with a voice to shape their own interest?


Sure they can negotiate their own deal with whom they deal with. But when it comes to health care its not up for negotiation. That is up to the membership to determine. And if they want a cadillac plan then they can pay for it as recommended by Obamacare. They shouldn't get a break. Why should they?

Oh dea, Give it up please, this is business as usual

Sure they can negotiate their own deal with whom they deal with. But when it comes to health care its not up for negotiation. That is up to the membership to determine. And if they want a cadillac plan then they can pay for it as recommended by Obamacare. They shouldnt get a break. Why should they?

I think you miss the fact that they already know that. No where have they asked for a FREE Cadillac plan, NO WHERE.

I think you miss the fact that they already know that. No where have they asked for a FREE Cadillac plan, NO WHERE.

It's called the Cadillac tax part of Obamacare.

Obamacare Is Forcing Cuts to High-End Health Plans, and Not Just For the Rich | Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/05/obamacare-cadillac-tax-high-end-health-plan)

I think you miss the fact that they already know that. No where have they asked for a FREE Cadillac plan, NO WHERE.

They are asking for exemptions from the law because of the plans they receive. They don't want to pay the tax like everyone else.

Even before Obamacare became law, health plan costs for workers had been rising for years. Some worry that the Cadillac tax will just be used as an excuse to bump up costs even more. Tom Leibfried, a legislative director for the labor federation AFL-CIO, one of the unions whose plans will be hit by the tax, says "We're very concerned about the hollowing out of benefits in general. What the [Cadillac] tax will do is just fuel that."

Time to address the problems dude.

You know the way you solve this and maybe you have already done it, but you mandate a standard of care to be met by all insurers and then if the individual wants more cover they pay a higher premium. Instantly you may have to renegotiate some labour contracts or you may not but if you get this down to every work place being down for negotiations then you have invented chaos

You know the way you solve this and maybe you have already done it, but you mandate a standard of care to be met by all insurers and then if the individual wants more cover they pay a higher premium.

Yes that is a basic the lefties overlook. Their idea of basic care is abortion pills for everyone .You should see some of the nonsense my family coverage picks up because of NY state mandates.

See this is why you have a federally administered system, one size fits all, it's time you stopped this state nonsense and had government for all the people

Or someone could privately contract with their insurance company and choose from a variety of options . As an example... I'd prefer to pay for checkups and routine medical care without insurance ;and purchase catastrophic coverage only. Others may want to have a massage paid by the insurance company. Short of that ,I would've preferred that insurance was portable and maybe I could've picked up a plan in a state that doesn't cover transformer sex change operations or male sex performance medication.

By all means why don't you all do this, but no, you still want someoneelse to pay, take a pay cut and arrange your own insurance, you will get the product you can afford or not as the case may be, you see sooner or later the system sinks under its own weight. Now this is true of your system or of ours but I know whose going first, and its all those overpaid medicos

Private bureaucrats looking to increase profits and be a middle man between the service and the consumer has always been a force pushing costs up, and benefits/services/ down.

Even Tom admits the capitalist model is broken. But who wants to fix it, and how? Certainly not those that reap profit from the system as is, with magnanimous growth. I mean an economy driven by hoarding cannot be successful for its citizens.

As opposed to the Government taking even more of the money pie... and giving far less back in exchange...

Yeah... fix it my making it worse by orders of magnitude... yeah.. thats the ticket.

Government has demonstrated how efficient they are in everything else ( sarcasm font engaged)... lets trust them with this too.

Ordinary Americans may not be getting their due process with all the snooping these days, but someone is.

Al-Qaeda Backers Found With U.S. Contracts in Afghanistan (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-30/al-qaeda-backers-found-with-u-s-contracts-in-afghanistan.html)


Supporters of the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan have been getting U.S. military contracts, and American officials are citing “due process rights” as a reason not to cancel the agreements, according to an independent agency monitoring spending.

The U.S. Army Suspension and Debarment Office has declined to act in 43 such cases, John Sopko, the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, said today in a letter accompanying a quarterly report to Congress.

“I am deeply troubled that the U.S. military can pursue, attack, and even kill terrorists and their supporters, but that some in the U.S. government believe we cannot prevent these same people from receiving a government contract,” Sopko said.

Words fail me.

Even Tom admits the capitalist model is broken. But who wants to fix it, and how? No I don't .What I do say is progressive interference in the capitalist business model prevents it's benefits from being fully realized .

No I don't .What I do say is progressive interference in the capitalist business model prevents it's benefits from being fully realized .

Tom thinks the capitalist model is perfect just as he thinks the constitutional model is perfect. This is not a time for idealist ideologies. The only people who can realise the benefits of the capitalist model Tom, are the wealthy. Their power must be curbed in the interests of the population who deserve to be more than slaves. The idea that if the Lord didn't want them to be shorn he wouldn't have made them sheep which is at the root of the capitalist model is a wrong idea. I know socialism has to be tempered also but a sharing society can prosper, the society in which I live has demonstrated the model.