Time to move past the election thread and start anew...

More People Have Cell Phones Than Toilets, U.N. Study Shows (http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/03/25/more-people-have-cell-phones-than-toilets-u-n-study-shows/#ixzz2OgW9lbeb)


On the eve of World Water Day last week, the United Nations offered a sobering statistic: according to its recent study, more people on Earth have access to cell phones than toilets.

http://timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/nf_cellphonetoilets-mar-25.jpg?w=360&h=240&crop=1

Out of the world’s estimated 7 billion people, six billion have access to mobile phones. Far fewer — only 4.5 billion people — have access to working toilets. Of the 2.5 billion who don’t have proper sanitation, 1.1 billion defecate in the open, according to the study.

Priorities?

Another useless UN study, well I knew they talked Shlt there but to actually study it?

Well, if not sh!t then what?

They could study something useful like better distribution of water

Hello Steve:

It's come to THIS?? CPAC attendee DEFENDS slavery (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/03/15/1729331/cpac-slavery-minority-outreach/): It Gave 'Food And Shelter' to blacks.

Who knew it was that good?

excon

What did he do ? Save empty bottles to get the money for his admission ticket ? Who is this guy ? What elected position does he hold ? How is he anyone of prominence who I would care about ? There are morons everywhere .

I thought you hated when people picked one wacko out of the crowd to use as a poster child?

I disagree with TP's assessment, I didn't hear people cheering and applauding the idiot, the looks on their faces was OMG! Not "you go, dude!" By the way, interesting that TP would choose that as their assessment of CPAC and not the fact that it was quite diverse.

You know that college class that had "stomp on Jesus" activity tom mentioned (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3425117-post225.html)? It was a "intercultural communications" class. No, seriously (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/03/27/187044/fla-gov-scott-weighs-in-on-jesus.html).

I don't know about you but I can't think of a better way to foster "intercultural communications" than to stomp on some culture's most cherished figure. Imagine a little "stomp on Mohammed" fun...

Even though the school has apologized ,that didn't stop them from disciplining the student who refused.
University Takes Action to Punish Student | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/university-files-charges-against-student-who-refused-to-stomp-on-jesus.html)

You know that college class that had "stomp on Jesus" activity tom mentioned (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3425117-post225.html)? It was a "intercultural communications" class. No, seriously (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/03/27/187044/fla-gov-scott-weighs-in-on-jesus.html).

I don't know about you but I can't think of a better way to foster "intercultural communications" than to stomp on some culture's most cherished figure. Imagine a little "stomp on Mohammed" fun...

But when you couch it in terms like 'intercultural competence' or cross culture competence (3C) ,then "stomp on Jesus" is just diversity training .

Even though the school has apologized ,that didn't stop them from disciplining the student who refused.
University Takes Action to Punish Student | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/university-files-charges-against-student-who-refused-to-stomp-on-jesus.html)


Apparently complaining about the assignment violated the university's "speech code." (http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/03/26/fau-college-student-who-didnt-want-to-stomp-on-jesus-runs-afoul-of-speech-code/)

Stomping on Jesus is protected speech, complaining about stomping on Jesus apparently isn't. You just can't make this stuff up.

No wonder there's a disconnect between left and right when it comes to racism, Chris Matthews has schooled us on the definition (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/matthews-lectures-limbaugh-racism-is-the-belief-that-one-race-whites-should-rule-all-others%E2%80%99/).


Rev. Luis León presided over Easter Sunday services attended by President Obama recently, and has taken fire from the right for suggesting that racial hatred lurks in the hearts of conservatives.

During his radio show, Limbaugh agreed with a caller who suggested that León was merely following the president’s lead in accusing the right of latent racism.

“Actually, Rushbo, racism is the belief that one race – whites — should rule all others,” Matthews confidently declared. “Get your definitions straight.”
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Actually Chris, you're a moron.

Hello again, Steve:

I don't know.. I was watching my FAV, the Five on Fox, yesterday when the right wingers got really pissed that Obama went to church where the preacher had the audacity to accuse the right wing of perpetrating a war on women...

No, they were REALLY pissed, and righteous too. Then they moved on to Google, who yesterday honored Cesar Chavez. Oh, man! That pissed them off even more, so they called Cesar Chavez a communist.

Some of you won't get the hypocrisy, because you too are pissed off at Obama for going to a church like that, and of course Chavez was a commie.

Others of us will.

excon

The first question is do you agree with Matthews definition? If so, you're a moron, too.

Secondly, we have every right to be pi$$ed at anything related to this contemptible "war on women" bullsh!t. Seriously ex, we've had enough of the empty rhetoric about the two sides coming together when your side is all about keeping us divided, by race, gender, class, you name it - whatever works at the moment.

Fox I'm sure picked up on others being pi$$ed about Google honoring Chavez on Easter because they apparently wanted to honor someone who influenced others. If you can't see the irony in that I can't help you. I really don't care because that's Google for you, but you got to admit it's rather tone deaf to put a Doodle up for Chavez on Easter Sunday. I'd have to see the quotes where they called hi ma communist before I can comment on that, you tend to embellish.

Hello again, Steve:

It was that broad, Tantaros. She called him a commie just before they started talking about Chavez. I don't know if it'll be on the clip here (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/index.html#http://video.foxnews.com/v/2270434290001/religion-under-attack-on-easter/?playlist_id=1040983441001). I'm not going to watch the whole thing again...

I embellish? Nahhh... If I tell you something, you can take it to the bank.

I have NO idea why honoring Chavez on Easter is inappropriate... Enlighten me.

excon

PS> I don't agree with Mathews.. I also don't agree with the right wing.. You can talk ABOUT racism WITHOUT being a racist.. Here's an example.. Joe Biden, talking to black people, said the right wing is going to "put you in chains", or something like that.. HE was accused of being a racist for SAYING that... In fact, I'm not sure YOU weren't one of the accusers..

Biden's statement, however, was anything BUT, racist. ANYTHING!

Hello again, Steve:

It was that broad, Tantaros. She called him a commie just before they started talking about Chavez. I don't know if it'll be on the clip here (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/index.html#http://video.foxnews.com/v/2270434290001/religion-under-attack-on-easter/?playlist_id=1040983441001). I'm not going to watch the whole thing again...

I embellish? Nahhh... If I tell you something, you can take it to the bank.

Sorry, I don't have time to find your quote, you need to find it for me.


I have NO idea why honoring Chavez on Easter is inappropriate... Enlighten me.

The words I used were "tone deaf." But like I said I don't expect anything better from Google and if they want to risk pi$$ing off 2 billion Christians that's their business.


PS> I don't agree with Mathews.. I also don't agree with the right wing.. You can talk ABOUT racism WITHOUT being a racist.. Here's an example.. Joe Biden, talking to black people, said the right wing is going to "put you in chains", or something like that.. HE was accused of being a racist for SAYING that... In fact, I'm not sure YOU weren't one of the accusers..

Biden's statement, however, was anything BUT, racist. ANYTHING!

No, he was accusing US of being racist. Surely you know the difference.

Hello again, Steve:


No, he was accusing US of being racist. Surely you know the difference.Yes, he was.. Is it racist to accuse someone of racism?? I don't think it is?

Do I think he was accurate? Let me see... You don't want 'em LITERALLY in the back of the bus... But, since the LONG, LONG lines of black voters didn't discourage them from voting in the last election, 30 Republican controlled state legislatures are making it HARDER for black people to vote (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/#51399579) in the next election... That'll metaphorically, put 'em in the back of the bus, all right.. Yessiree, Bob.

Excon

When you are herding cattle on the prairie every day all day a cell phone would be a priority not a toilet. You should know that because all Texans do.

What you think farmers and ranchers leave the field to go home and crap? You really do need to get out more.

Hello again, Steve:

Yes, he was.. Is it racist to accuse someone of racism?? I don't think it is?

I'm quite certain what Biden was charged with was race baiting or playing the race card. That would entirely accurate/


Do I think he was accurate? Let me see... You don't want 'em LITERALLY in the back of the bus... But, since the LONG, LONG lines of black voters didn't discourage them from voting in the last election, 30 Republican controlled state legislatures are making it HARDER for black people to vote (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/#51399579) in the next election... That'll metaphorically, put 'em in the back of the bus, all right.. Yessiree, Bob.

Excon

Again, I don't have time to watch Rachel Madcow, you'll have to be more specific. I'm sure it's just more of the same bleating about anything Republicans ever try to do to ensure the integrity of an election.

I'm sure it's just more of the same bleating about anything Republicans ever try to do to ensure the integrity of an election.

Your integrity seems to be like your priorities, and your rights, exclusive to you, and no room for any other way. And that's okay. Other see things a bit differently, and that should be okay too.

Your integrity seems to be like your priorities, and your rights, exclusive to you, and no room for any other way. And thats okay. Other see things a bit differently, and that should be okay too.

That's amusing coming from supporters of Barack "my way or the highway" Obama, the guy who has achieved the imperial presidency. It's astoundingly hypocritical from people who can't bear the thought of keeping our first and second amendment rights intact and who would rather keep people slaves to a government nanny in order to stay in power rather then help them become self-sufficient and even prosperous.

Steve

P.S. There's no integrity in telling blacks that Republicans want to put them back in chains, lying to women and using them, blacks and children as a means to your political end. People can't be free as long as they're in your grip and your side abandoned liberty for all long ago.

My take is more people would rather do it Obamas way than your way. I guess they don't like your definition of self sufficient, or being properous, or freedom and liberty, since your idea of equality and opportunity is NOT inclusive.

I don't blame anyone for not wanting to support themselves after being dependent on government. I feel sorry for them, but I understand.

It's come to this, the NY Times has no clue what Easter is about (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/01/world/europe/pope-francis-calls-for-peace-in-all-the-world-in-first-easter-message.html?_r=5&).


This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: April 1, 2013

An earlier version of this article mischaracterized the Christian holiday of Easter. It is the celebration of Jesus’s resurrection from the dead, not his resurrection into heaven.

The original text, "Easter is the celebration of the resurrection into heaven of Jesus, three days after he was crucified, the premise for the Christian belief in an everlasting life. In urging peace, Francis called on Jesus to ”change hatred into love, vengeance into forgiveness, war into peace.”

Details, details.

Ascension Day is May 9 , they were close

Ascension Day is May 9 , they were close

Ascension/resurrection, what's the diff?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/29/happy-easter-which-is-not-named-after-ishtar-okay/_jcr_content/body/inlineimage.img.2000.jpg/1364579260266.cached.jpg

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/29/happy-easter-which-is-not-named-after-ishtar-okay/_jcr_content/body/inlineimage.img.2000.jpg/1364579260266.cached.jpg

Like we haven't seen that silly crap before. Totally irrelevant to the Times being so moronic.

Just educating you. These holidays have different meaning to different people.

Just educating you. These holidays have different meaning to different people.

Dude, you educating me? Now that's a one in a million shot. Your answer is an unoriginal yawner and still irrelevant.

That Ishtar garbage is totally bogus . If anything ,Easter has a common connection with the German goddess Eostre .

But that is why we were referring to the Resurrection and not Easter


... and yes we know that rabbits don't lay eggs .

Easter is about the resurrection, Tom as you know it has it's base in the Jewish passover and has nothing to do with Ishtar even though pronunciation is similar

Easter is about the resurrection, Tom as you know it has it's base in the Jewish passover and has nothing to do with Ishtar even though pronounciation is similiar

Um, we've already established that.

You may be able to smoke a joint in Washington now by golly Shelton, WA has saved us from bikini baristas (http://reason.com/reasontv/2013/03/29/nanny-march2013).

Um, we've already established that.

Just reinforcing the point

You may be able to smoke a joint in Washington now by golly Shelton, WA has saved us from bikini baristas (http://reason.com/reasontv/2013/03/29/nanny-march2013).

Great link! :)

Another beatup

Eye candy ;but if I buy coffee that I haven' t brewed myself ;it's a $1 any size special at Micky Ds.

No wonder you are off your face

eye candy ;but if I buy coffee that I haven' t brewed myself ;it's a $1 any size special at Micky Ds.

That ain't coffee... but it is better than anything out of a can.

Great link! :)

You're welcome.

Yesterday the Associated Press removed "illegal immigrant" from its vocabulary. Jay Leno helped them out (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/04/03/leno-ap-replaces-illegal-immigrant-undocumented-democrat#ixzz2PNJhnoea) with the new proper term.


“And in a groundbreaking move, the Associated Press, the largest news gathering outlet in the world, will no longer use the term ‘illegal immigrant.’ That is out. No longer ‘illegal immigrant.’ They will now use the phrase ‘undocumented Democrat.’ That is the newest – ‘undocumented Democrat.’”

Hello again, Steve:

You're just jealous.. You COULD have had 'em, but you were too mean. I don't know WHY you guys like to shoot yourselves in the foot.

Let me see. Obama won by 3 million votes, and you guys GAVE us another 11 million... Whewwweee. Looks like you're out of the picture for the foreseeable future...

excon

No I just thought it was funny.

This is funny, too... Obama is going to teach us "how to budget responsibly." No really (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/03/29/presidential-proclamation-national-financial-capability-month-2013), the man who hasn't gotten a single vote for any of his bloated budgets is going to help us with responsible budgeting.

You just can't make this stuff up.

You just can't make this stuff up.

No you are right, watching your politics is better than watching a sitcom

It's come to this, and though it's been evident for years that the feminists and other leftists have some inherent disdain for a domestic role for women (unless it comes to their hired servants I'm sure), THIS (http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/01/gender-questions-arise-in-obituary-of-rocket-scientist-and-her-beef-stroganoff/)is pathetic.


Gender Questions Arise in Obituary of Rocket Scientist and Her Beef Stroganoff
By MARGARET SULLIVAN

Yvonne Brill’s accomplishments as a scientist made her a natural subject for a Times obituary last weekend. Those staff-written obituaries, which recognize only the tiniest fraction of people who die on a given day, are intended not as tributes but as news stories of those who lived highly distinctive lives.

When this particular obituary appeared online Saturday, though, it caused many readers to do a double-take because of its emphasis on Mrs. Brill’s domestic life.

When it initially appeared online and in the first print edition, the first two paragraphs read as follows:


She made a mean beef stroganoff, followed her husband from job to job and took eight years off from work to raise three children. “The world’s best mom,” her son Matthew said.

But Yvonne Brill, who died on Wednesday at 88 in Princeton, N.J., was also a brilliant rocket scientist who in the early 1970s invented a propulsion system to keep communications satellites from slipping out of their orbits.

Many people responded negatively to what they saw as sexism.

Typical was this Twitter message from Aaron Bady:


Hey, ‪@Sulliview‬‬‬ what’s up with that disgraceful obituary for Yvonne Brill? “was also a brilliant rocket scientist”? For real?

Others, like Amy Alexander and Ron Charles — humorously but with an edge — wanted The Times to know how they would like to be remembered when the time comes.


For the record, please note that my ‪#Obit Dish is my “mean penne farfalle with zucchini.” Just ‪#FYI ‪@nyt ‪@JAWS ‪@sulliview

Dear NYT, just in case you’re prewriting obits of obscure book critics, everybody says I make delicious chocolate chip cookies.

Amy Davidson, a senior editor at The New Yorker who writes its Close Read blog, said on Twitter that it was striking how Mrs. Brill’s “work was both mentioned and somehow invisible,” given the emphasis in the obituary. Ms. Davidson also noted that the eight years off from work apparently wasn’t entirely the case; Mrs. Brill continued to work part time as a consultant during those years, the obituary said further down.

Later on Saturday, after the flurry of negative attention, the culinary reference dropped out and some other language changed in the online version of the obituary. And when it appeared in later print editions, its first paragraph still mentioned her family life but also included her profession, and the beef stroganoff was nowhere to be found. (It’s not unusual for The Times to make changes to articles online. When a factual error is corrected, that is drawn to the reader’s attention, but otherwise, incremental changes are not generally noted.)

This didn’t satisfy everyone:

Julie Rehmeyer, a freelance science writer from New Mexico, e-mailed:


The change in the lede for Yvonne Brill’s obituary only makes it worse, in my opinion. Yes, the original reference to beef stroganoff was inappropriate in the extreme — but having any reference to her parenting or spouse in the first paragraph of her obituary is also inappropriate. Fixing the beef stroganoff reference without fixing the misguided nature of the article as a whole doesn’t solve the problem; it minimizes it through its insufficiency.

An additional problem with the article is mentioning the “Diamond Superwoman award” immediately after her National Medal of Technology and Innovation, as if the two awards were comparable.

You can see the changes on NewsDiffs.

Others disagreed with those who complained.

Jennifer King, a journalism student who is studying obituaries for her master’s thesis at Queensland University of Technology in Australia, wrote to me:


I feel Mr Martin was subtly pointing out the irony of a woman in that era not only being a remarkable scientist but also a great wife and mother. The reference to her cooking was, I believe, to add context to Mrs. Brill’s extraordinary achievements in an era where women were not encouraged to be anything other than Domestic Goddesses.

Anyway, I think it has been an all ’round learning experience for everyone and has drawn attention to the art of obituary writing, which can’t be a bad thing! Best of all, while some may be critical of the obituary, at least we now all know about Yvonne Brill, which must be a positive outcome, don’t you agree?

This all may seem to be a tempest in a Crock-Pot, but it actually raises some significant questions related to gender – which is under much discussion at a time when Sheryl Sandberg’s “Lean In” has hit the top of the nonfiction best-seller list.

When it’s highly unusual for a woman to do what she did professionally, to what extent does that merit notice? Should gender be ignored in a profile or obituary? Should it be treated as the main event?

A recent article in Columbia Journalism Review gives guidelines for writing about women in this context. Curtis Brainard quotes the science writer Christie Aschwanden, who objects to journalism about women in science that “treats its subject’s sex as her most defining detail.”

I talked to William McDonald, the obituaries editor, on Monday morning about the reaction.

“I’m surprised,” he said. “It never occurred to us that this would be read as sexist.” He said it was important for obituaries to put people in the context of their time and that this well-written obituary did that effectively. He also observed that the references in the first paragraph to cooking and being a mother served as an effective setup for the “aha” of the second paragraph, which revealed that Mrs. Brill was an important scientist.

Mr. McDonald said that he was consulted about the changes on Saturday night by editors who were working then and who believed that the negative reaction should be listened to. But, he said, he would have preferred to leave the obituary as it was.

Yes, heaven forbid an accomplished woman get recognized for her delicious beef stroganoff and being a good mom when she passes. Really people? Get a life.

Another day, another outrage over any incident.

Another day, another outrage over any incident.

Yep, feminists getting pi$$ed and demanding revisions of an obituary over cooking is pretty stupid.

Hello again, Steve:

You want to know what's UNFAIR? I make a MEAN chicken and sausage gumbo... Will it be mentioned in MY obit?? Hell no. All they'll talk about is me being a captain of industry.

It ain't right, I tell you.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

You wanna know what's UNFAIR?? I make a MEAN chicken and sausage gumbo... Will it be mentioned in MY obit??? Hell no. All they'll talk about is me being a captain of industry.

It ain't right, I tell ya.

excon

Hey, I'm good with just saying I was a good dude that made some smokin' baby back ribs.

On one of his perpetual campaign trips, Obama informed us we don't have time for a perpetual campaign, he could get a lot done with Pelosi as speaker and my favorite thing he said with a straight face was about Pelosi herself, "She never lets ideology cloud her judgment (http://atr.rollcall.com/dccc-raised-3-2-million-at-obama-fundraiser/)." No, really, he actually said that.

One can only conclude that his sole 2nd term agenda is to campaign to get a Dem majority in the House.

Heck, he doesn't need congress anyway.

Again, you just can't make this stuff up. The city of Phoenix apparently has too many white lifeguards. Apparently drowning blacks and Latinos can't relate to being rescued by a white person. So as long as you're a minority, no strong swimming skills are required.

In Phoenix, A New Quest For Diverse Public Pool Lifeguards : NPR (http://www.npr.org/2013/03/28/175571277/in-phoenix-a-new-quest-for-diverse-public-pool-lifeguards)

Maybe that's why bodies can sink undetected to the bottom of pubic pools unnoticed for 3 days .
3 ordered to quit after body in pool went undetected for days - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/21/massachusetts.pool.body/index.html)

Maybe that's why bodies can sink undetected to the bottom of pubic pools unnoticed for 3 days .
3 ordered to quit after body in pool went undetected for days - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/21/massachusetts.pool.body/index.html)

Just wait until Obamacare forces unqualified providers on us.

Maybe that's why bodies can sink undetected to the bottom of pubic pools unnoticed for 3 days .
3 ordered to quit after body in pool went undetected for days - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/21/massachusetts.pool.body/index.html)


The investigation determined that poor water clarity was the primary factor that kept lifeguards from being aware of the drowning and finding Joseph after her death. In fact, the 12-foot-deep pool was so cloudy that it should not have opened the day she drowned, authorities said.

This was your point?

Again, you just can't make this stuff up. The city of Phoenix apparently has too many white lifeguards. Apparently drowning blacks and Latinos can't relate to being rescued by a white person. So as long as you're a minority, no strong swimming skills are required.

In Phoenix, A New Quest For Diverse Public Pool Lifeguards : NPR (http://www.npr.org/2013/03/28/175571277/in-phoenix-a-new-quest-for-diverse-public-pool-lifeguards)

I can see training and learning, but they make it seem as if there are no good swimmers in the minority community. As for the innuendo that the bar is lowered for minorities, I dismiss it as a lack of understanding on your part since you miss the part about starting from scratch with the willing.

Or are you saying this willing fellow cannot develop as good a skill as his white counterparts, or the efforts of one guy getting a chance to learn screws up the whole system and they should forget it?

I can see training and learning, but they make it seem as if there are no good swimmers in the minority community. As for the innuendo that the bar is lowered for minorities, I dismiss it as a lack of understanding on your part since you miss the part about starting from scratch with the willing.

Or are you saying this willing fellow cannot develop as good a skill as his white counterparts, or the efforts of one guy getting a chance to learn screws up the whole system and they should forget it?

Let's just apply this logic to other areas, like health care for instance.

And just curious, why would blacks and Latinos have a problem with white lifeguards? Would they really rather lower the standards than be rescued by an experienced white guy? If so then the minority community needs to do some soul searching.

I think the whole point being made is that there are some crazy folks lurking amongst us, so don't be distracted. Sure it's a concern they give conservatives a bad rap, but they also give progressives one too. Lets not lose sight of the real issue of extremists thinking, AND actions, and the danger that actions means to unwary citizens.

I think the whole point being made is that there are some crazy folks lurking amongst us, so don't be distracted. Sure its a concern they give conservatives a bad rap, but they also give progressives one too. Lets not lose sight of the real issue of extremists thinking, AND actions, and the danger that actions means to unwary citizens.

We can start with not giving any credibility to the SPLC and using their bullsh!t as a basis for admin policy.

We can start with not giving any credibility to the SPLC and using their bullsh!t as a basis for admin policy.

Wrong thread, but oh well.

Let's just apply this logic to other areas, like health care for instance.

And just curious, why would blacks and Latinos have a problem with white lifeguards? Would they really rather lower the standards than be rescued by an experienced white guy? If so then the minority community needs to do some soul searching.

They don't have a problem. Maybe that's one of many argument to justify the program but nobody cares who saves them when they are in trouble. And to say it dummies down the qualifications then you miss the point of this,


To help diversify its lifeguard ranks, the city raised about $15,000 over the past two years in scholarships to offset the cost of lifeguard-certification courses. Recruits who pass a swim test at the end can apply to be city lifeguards.

The key is after some training they can APPLY to be lifeguards. So what do you have against minorities being properly educated and certified to apply since no one is lowering the qualifications to be a life guard, nor just giving the title to an unqualified kid.

So what's this lowering the bar, and unqualified stuff are you talking about? I know you are not saying people of color cannot qualify as life guards are you?

Yes, throw money at diversity when you have qualified people of the wrong skin color. See I thought skin color didn't matter to but it seems to be a consideration in everything these days. That doesn't bother you?

So because you have qualified people of the right color, no need to throw money at the darker people to be as qualified as the right colored people?

So because you have qualified people of the right color, no need to throw money at the darker people to be as qualified as the right colored people?

Right color??

Right color?????????

I think this means that certain ethnic groups, because of their economic circumstances and locations have a limited opportunity to participate in certain types of recreational activities. It is equally likely they do not realize these types of activities can be financially rewarding.

So, "throwing money" at these people gives them the opportunity to participate in something they would have otherwise not considered.

I think this means that certain ethnic groups, because of their economic circumstances and locations have a limited opportunity to participate in certain types of recreational activities. It is equally likely they do not realize these types of activities can be financially rewarding.

So, "throwing money" at these people gives them the opportunity to participate in something they would have otherwise not considered.

I get that but that isn't why the city of Phoenix is doing this. They're doing it because their lifeguards awere white. They weren't the "right color".

I get that but that isn't why the city of Phoenix is doing this. They're doing it because their lifeguards awere white. They weren't the "right color".

Yes, it does say that. But I am not sure of the point you are making.

It's a question I asked earlier, if skin color doesn't matter why is it a consideration in almost everything?

It's a question I asked earlier, if skin color doesn't matter why is it a consideration in almost everything?

Actually, I blame the United Nations Charter for this problem.

It is the failure to make the distinction between racial discrimination, ethnic discrimination and gender discrimination.

In this country I blame the left.

In this country I blame the left.

Lol.. Good answer. I might leave it there.

It's a question I asked earlier, if skin color doesn't matter why is it a consideration in almost everything?

Skin color does matter, and we have not evolved to a better world that it doesn't. The real issue is why is it not acceptable to put resources for instructions and tests to those youths of color who are willing and interested in competing for those jobs that so far have white kids in them?

We should be looking to do that for all the kids. Teaching someone to fish requires money, and time. So what's the problem with one kid having that chance? Your objection to one kid having a chance seems to be he is the wrong color and shouldn't be competing with the white kids.

I say that because of the throwing money at diversity comment, and the erroneous assertion that this one lone kid would be given a free pass with less expectations of meeting a bar that the white kids had to meet.

Correct me if I am wrong but your statement was


Originally Posted by speechlesstx,
Would they really rather lower the standards than be rescued by an experienced white guy? If so then the minority community needs to do some soul searching.

Search your soul and tell me the reason why you are against ONE person having what the white kids have. A respectable job. This is no lazy kid having the bar lowered for his lazy a$$. This is a kid who wants to learn, and work. I can't believe you are against that.

Here's an idea. Let the ones interested sign up for the Red Cross life guard course. Then if they have the qualifications they can pass the requirements for the certification . The requirements are published .
Lifeguard Certification Arizona (AZ) (http://www.lifeguard-certification.net/2011/10/11/lifeguard-certification-arizona-az/)

Tal, nice long rant but it's based on an assumption. I don't deny opportunity for anyone and don't care who gets the job. You're missing the point entirely.

here's an idea. let the ones interested sign up for the Red Cross life guard course. Then if they have the qualifications they can pass the requirements for the certification . The requirements are published .
Lifeguard Certification Arizona (AZ) (http://www.lifeguard-certification.net/2011/10/11/lifeguard-certification-arizona-az/)

But that's the whole idea. There is a lack of interest because it is not something that certain ethnic groups would consider.

In a similar way people who live in the poorer areas of the inner city would probably not consider a course in becoming a greenkeeper or a golf professional.

Why does diversity have to forced? I think it's a silly and divisive exercise. I don't care about skin color, ethicity or whatever until some liberal says something about being "too white." How much white is too white and why does it matter? Is there such a thing as too black or too brown?

Should we really care if the person rescuing us from drowning is a certain color? After all that was one the city's justifications, the swimmers can relate better to someone that looks like the and that's ridiculous. I thought the end goal was to be at ease with other in spite of that, it's a designed segregation. Forcing diversity on one hand while engineering segregation on the other seems rather silly.

QUOTE by speechlesstx;
Why does diversity have to forced? I think it's a silly and divisive exercise. I don't care about skin color, ethicity or whatever until some liberal says something about being "too white." How much white is too white and why does it matter? Is there such a thing as too black or too brown?

I don't think anyone is forcing anyone to become a lifeguard. Are they?




Should we really care if the person rescuing us from drowning is a certain color? After all that was one the city's justifications, the swimmers can relate better to someone that looks like the and that's ridiculous.



I would have seen this as being a role model.




. I thought the end goal was to be at ease with other in spite of that, it's a designed segregation. Forcing diversity on one hand while engineering segregation on the other seems rather silly.

A large number of people might want to claim to be at "ease with the other" but I suspect that only exists on the surface.

But that's the whole idea. There is a lack of interest because it is not something that certain ethnic groups would consider.

In a similar way people who live in the poorer areas of the inner city would probably not consider a course in becoming a greenkeeper or a golf professional.

Then there really is no issue then if there is a lack of qualified black lifeguards.

then there really is no issue then if there is a lack of qualified black lifeguards.


I am sure it would be an issue. But I don't have a problem with on the job training. Provided of course it is supervised on the job training until qualifications are obtained

I don't think anyone is forcing anyone to become a lifeguard. Are they?

Did I say they were? No, I'm referring to ensuring the city has enough minority lifeguards when they already had qualified white lifeguards... is there a problem with lifeguards being white? The question is why does color matter? I say it doesn't, the left says it doesn't, so why do they need minority lifeguards?




I would have seen this as being a role model.

White lifeguards can't be a role model to minorities?




A large number of people might want to claim to be at "ease with the other" but I suspect that only exists on the surface.

I would suspect that's true for a lot of people, but I believe conservatives are more at ease than liberals. We aren't the ones making everything about race and denigrating minorities who dare step outside the liberal box.

I am sure it would be an issue. But I don't have a problem with on the job training. Provided of course it is supervised on the job training until qualifications are obtained

On the job training is not the issue.

All this over one guy who isn't white but wants to be a life guard??

Why does diversity have to forced? I think it's a silly and divisive exercise. I don't care about skin color, ethicity or whatever until some liberal says something about being "too white." How much white is too white and why does it matter? Is there such a thing as too black or too brown?

Should we really care if the person rescuing us from drowning is a certain color? After all that was one the city's justifications, the swimmers can relate better to someone that looks like the and that's ridiculous. I thought the end goal was to be at ease with other in spite of that, it's a designed segregation. Forcing diversity on one hand while engineering segregation on the other seems rather silly.

I have reread the posts on this thread and I think I know what you are getting at when you point to the fact that diversity is being forced upon everyone.

This particular pool seems to be favoured by certain ethnic groups. So why would it be desirable to replace what little diversity there is with ethnic life guards? In other words, by employing ethnic lifeguards we are pushing segregation even further.

I think this is what you are saying with the above comment.

All this over one guy who isn't white but wants to be a life guard?????

No, all this over what liberal policy has wrought.

I have reread the posts on this thread and I think I know what you are getting at when you point to the fact that diversity is being forced upon everyone.

This particular pool seems to be favoured by certain ethnic groups. So why would it be desirable to replace what little diversity there is with ethnic life guards? In other words, by employing ethnic lifeguards we are pushing segregation even further.

I think this is what you are saying with the above comment.

You're on the right track.

Hello again, Steve:


No, all this over what liberal policy has wroughtYeah, Republican policy has done SOOO much for the black man... They made him stand in line for 6-8 hours to vote... Who do those uppity people think they are, wanting to vote like a white man?

Excon

Hello again, Steve:

Yeah, Republican policy has done SOOO much for the black man... They made him stand in line for 6-8 hours to vote... Who do those uppity people think they are, wanting to vote like a white man??

excon

That's already been debunked but you keep on pushing that narrative if it makes you feel better. The question is how does one reconcile practicing both diversity and segregation simultaneously? A rather confusing message wouldn't you say?

You're on the right track.


Yes, I though this was the problem. At least we have something concrete to work with now.

One way of looking at the problem is segregation versus integration. This approach has important historical implications that might be helpful as well.

It can be argued that these "liberal policies" are pushing for segregation of ethnic groups. However, the important point is that this form of segregation is done on the ethnic groups own terms. In other words, despite the policies being implement the choice to integrate or not to integrate into the wider culture is still a matter for the individual.

There is no doubt that many people who belong to ethnic groups choose to embrace the dominant culture of the society they live in. In other words, they choose to be integrated. On the other side of the coin there would be people who feel ( for what ever reason) uncomfortable with the dominant culture. Instead they choose segregation, but segregation on their own terms.

In the end it is an attempt to provide alternatives for what has historically been a single choice problem. Only having one choice is not a choice.

So one ethnic lifeguard at one pool is forcing diversity, down whose throat? NO wait my bad. Its perpetrating segregation. Have I got that right? That's a back handed way of saying there should be no ethnic life guards at all.

If you feel that way about ONE ethnic kid, I guess 10 would be a complete disaster.

Yes, I though this was the problem. At least we have something concrete to work with now.

One way of looking at the problem is segregation versus integration. This approach has important historical implications that might be helpful as well.

It can be argued that these "liberal policies" are pushing for segregation of ethnic groups. However, the important point is that this form of segregation is done on the ethnic groups own terms. In other words, despite the policies being implement the choice to integrate or not to integrate into the wider culture is still a matter for the individual.

There is no doubt that many people who belong to ethnic groups choose to embrace the dominant culture of the society they live in. In other words, they choose to be integrated. On the other side of the coin there would be people who feel ( for what ever reason) uncomfortable with the dominant culture. Instead they choose segregation, but segregation on their own terms.

In the end it is an attempt to provide alternatives for what has historically been a single choice problem. Only having one choice is not a choice.

Yes, self-segregation is one thing and it's increasing here. But that also goes back to my earlier question on the left's narrative in this regard, it's only an issue if they label something as "too white." What is "too white" and is there such a thing as too black?

So one ethnic lifeguard at one pool is forcing diversity, down whose throat? NO wait my bad. Its perpetrating segregation. Have I got that right? That's a back handed way of saying there should be no ethnic life guards at all.

If you feel that way about ONE ethnic kid, I guess 10 would be a complete disaster.

I believe I've already said I don't care who gets the job, race/color/ethinicity does not matter to me. I'm trying to figure out if it matters to liberals or not, they send a very mixed message.

Yes, self-segregation is one thing and it's increasing here. But that also goes back to my earlier question on the left's narrative in this regard, it's only an issue if they label something as "too white." What is "too white" and is there such a thing as too black?

That's a difficult question to answer. I don't really know people's thinking about race and ethnicity.I guess that the implication here is that ethnicity has something to do with the physical characteristics of the individual.

I would also guess that most of us don't make the distinction between biology and sociology for this purpose.

Other than that I don't really know.

I believe I've already said I don't care who gets the job, race/color/ethinicity does not matter to me. I'm trying to figure out if it matters to liberals or not, they send a very mixed message.

I personally don't see the problem as "they" are dealing with a very specific local issue. I say the more people who try to make good the better.

I believe I've already said I don't care who gets the job, race/color/ethinicity does not matter to me. I'm trying to figure out if it matters to liberals or not, they send a very mixed message.

I don't think it matters or doesn't matter to many because some people don't consider the wider implications. However, for the reasons I have outlined earlier the result of such policies provides choice.

I say it's ridiculous. Again from the article:


After noticing that most of the lifeguards at the public pools used by Latino and African-American kids were white, the Phoenix aquatics department decided to try to recruit minorities.

More than 90 percent of the students at Alhambra High are black, Latino or Asian. On a recruiting effort there over the winter, the city's Melissa Boyle tells students she's not looking for strong swimmers. Like many under-resourced schools, Alhambra doesn't have a swim team.

"We will work with you in your swimming abilities," Boyle says.

Boyle's colleague Kelly Martinez takes on the delicate task of explaining the scenario the city is trying to correct.

"The kids in the pool are all either Hispanic or black or whatever, and every lifeguard is white," she says, "and we don't like that. The kids don't relate; there's language issues."

I have no problem recruiting minorities, but reverse the situation and put those words coming out of a conservative's mouth. "Every lifeguard is black, and we don't like that." That wouldn't disturb anyone would it?

On from lifeguards to much more disturbing stuff (http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/04/msnbc-all-your-children-are-belong-to-us/). MSNBC is actually saying what I suspect many on the left have have been thinking for a long time. In a new promo, they're telling us, "We have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents”

Excuse me? Have you people lost your freakin' minds?

Hello again, Steve:


We have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parentsWhat do you think the FEMA camps are for?

Excon

Hello again, Steve:

What do you think the FEMA camps are for?

excon

Parents who believe their children belong to them and not the "village"?

We have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents”

"you didn't make that on your own!"

Link please for context. I would hate to think they meant "no man is an island" without proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa9temz_Cxw&feature=player_embedded

She talks of kids belonging to the "collective " .

In the liberal's world you can choose to kill your baby but you can't choose how to raise the child.

As usual I didn't get the threat from this clip as you did.

"We have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents”

Agree or disagree?

Either put the whole thing up, or take down that partial statement. That's a BS tactic.

Either put the whole thing up, or take down that partial statement. That's a BS tactic.

Tal, I linked (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3437772-post99.html)to the video in full and so did tom so don't give me that "BS tactic" crap, I hid nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa9temz_Cxw&feature=player_embedded

she talks of kids belonging to the "collective " .


This is clearly within the context of public education. The reference is to the collective responsibility of public education.

Collective that is communist ideology

collective that is communist ideology


The article is quoting out of context even though it proved a full transcript of the interview at the bottom of the article by way of the video This has obviously been missed by the author or he is trying to create a beat-up

This idea of community responsibility in education has been in even when my kids went to school. Back then I think it was called community partnerships in education.

Ah yes trying to pass the buck

"Community" has a role, but saying we have to discard this idea that children don't belong to their parents is beyond the pale. That is how the left in this country justifies undermining parental authority in this country and that's a problem. Parents have rights.

"Community" has a role, but saying we have to discard this idea that children don't belong to their parents is beyond the pale. That is how the left in this country justifies undermining parental authority in this country and that's a problem. Parents have rights.

I agree Speech, parents are the primary care givers and if doing their job properly, the primary educators and they should have the ability to both guide and discipline, it is all this namby pamby nonsense that has our societry in the mess it is in

"Community" has a role, but saying we have to discard this idea that children don't belong to their parents is beyond the pale. That is how the left in this country justifies undermining parental authority in this country and that's a problem. Parents have rights.


Quoting out of context is usually an easy option because it can portray a persons views as being extreme.

This particular lady may well have extreme views on many social issues. But the quote is clearly a reference to public education. On this basis it can only be considered in these terms. It cannot be taken as a general endorsement of undermining parental authority in general.

I say it's ridiculous. Again from the article:



I have no problem recruiting minorities, but reverse the situation and put those words coming out of a conservative's mouth. "Every lifeguard is black, and we don't like that." That wouldn't disturb anyone would it?

This would depend on who the spokesperson is. Criticizing ones own race is not usually regarded as racism. I can be, but in this case it doesn't seem to be.

ah yes trying to pass the buck

I like that. I never thought of that angle.


Tut

Quoting out of context is usually an easy option because it can portray a persons views as being extreme.

This particular lady may well have extreme views on many social issues. But the quote is clearly a reference to public education. On this basis it can only be considered in these terms. It cannot be taken as a general endorsement of undermining parental authority in general.

There is more than a minor difference in "justification" which is what I said and "general endorsement." The reality on the ground supports my view.

This would depend on who the spokesperson is. Criticizing ones own race is not usually regarded as racism. I can be, but in this case it doesn't seem to be.

Again, I base this on the reality. The reality is my example would lead to an explosion of outrage.

There is more than a minor difference in "justification" which is what I said and "general endorsement." The reality on the ground supports my view.

This may well be the case as far as "reality" is concerned. But you cannot argue from what she said in particular to what is generally the case.

That are other ways of doing it but not in this case.

Again, I base this on the reality. The reality is my example would lead to an explosion of outrage.


Yes, it would if ANY white person said it. I don't see the problem.

Tut, this isn't a debate, it's a current events discussion.

Tut, this isn't a debate, it's a current events discussion.


Sorry my mistake.

Yes, it would if ANY white person said it. I don't see the problem.

No, the reality is liberals get a pass for the outrageous things they say.

Not with conservatives like you around to point out every outrage even if you have to edit it creatively, and assign your own spin to it.

Not with conservatives like you around to point out every outrage even if you have to edit it creatively, and assign your own spin to it.

Everyone assigns their own spin, everyone picks and chooses what to quote and the left is just as bad if not worse at pointing out every perceived outrage but the difference is we don't have the media power backing us up like you do. That and I linked to the whole video so you could check it out for yourself, that's full disclosure my friend.

Hello again, Steve:

I guess it helps you to believe that everybody THINKS like you. And if only the media would tell the truth, everybody would know it.

excon

Sorry ex, but unlike you libs I actually cherish and defend your right to be wrong.

Moving on... a band of students at George Washington University have mobilized to have the chaplain removed apparently because he's Catholic or something.


Two gay seniors who said they felt alienated by the Newman Center's controversial priest will launch a campaign this week to force him off campus.

At least a dozen students, including seniors Damian Legacy and Blake Bergen, say they have left the Newman Center in the last several years because Father Greg Shaffer’s strong anti-gay and anti-abortion views are too polarizing. Shaffer, a Roman Catholic priest, has spent five years preaching to GW students.

The former Newman Center members are creating a video with testimony from 10 other Catholic students, who cite Shaffer as the reason they left the chapel, hoping to inflame a largely liberal campus and force University administrators to act. Legacy and Bergen also plan to file a formal complaint with the University and hold prayer vigils outside the Newman Center until Shaffer is removed.

The students lambasted Shaffer’s counseling sessions, in which he said he advises students who are attracted to members of the same sex to remain celibate for the rest of their lives. They also criticized the priest for a fiery blog post he wrote last May, calling gay relationships "unnatural and immoral" after President Barack Obama came out in support of same-sex marriage.

“We have to appeal to him. In the end, he’s the one preaching on Sunday. He’s the one counseling these students,” Legacy said. “The money doesn't matter to him, but when you see the faces of the people you’re turning away, you see the people who say ‘Oh, I would go to church all the time, but I don’t like Father Greg.’ When you meet them at their level, that’s going to hit them harder because it’s something they’re going to understand.”

More than a few students have a much different opinion of Fr. Greg (http://thechaplainweknow.wordpress.com/), but who's counting? I'm sure there are more than enough others out willing to tell this minority exactly what they want to hear in the name of tolerance, who needs a guy that cares and has convictions?

Don't gay people who are being told they are immoral, and unnatural allowed to be outraged? It's their right.

Don't gay people who are being told they are immoral, and unnatural allowed to be outraged? Its their right.

Sure they have a right to be outraged just as priests have a right to their religious convictions. He's Catholic, what did they expect when they went to his services? You just still have this misguided notion that the government, or a small minority of whiners with hurt feelings (more like manufactured outrage) are right to impose their beliefs and values on people (Christians) of faith. Don't worry, I have little faith that GWU will have Fr Greg's back. I'm sure he'll be silenced, censured, fired or whatever and they can hire a nice Unitarian to tell them what they want to hear.

Hello again, Steve:

Let me see... A hospital is not a church. A college campus is not a church... What's he doing there in the first place??

Does the University accept money that students borrowed from the government?? It does. I don't want MY tax money supporting RELIGIOUS anti-abortion beliefs.. Don't I have that right? We DO have a separation of church and state... Let him go preach in church...

My religious freedom is being stomped on here.

excon

PS> (edited) Hmmm... My argument sounds strangely familiar..

It's a private university, founded by a Baptist missionary.

Hello again, Steve:

Yes, I see that it's private.. I also see that they accept government money that LOOKS like student loans. Even though the university wants to PRETEND it's not my tax money, it IS, and I won't have it.

excon

PS> Man, oh Man... This is sounding terribly familiar.. What could it be? Hmmm..

It is familiar, it's just like Obamacare where you also mistakenly believe the first amendment is irrelevant.

That is quite a stretch . The government does away with the private student loan industry and then you argue that because a STUDENT is taking a loan ,that the school that student is going to is accepting government funding... down the rabbit hole we go .

I have a great idea, no more tax exemptions for the church, since it's a private institution any way. That would add loot to the treasury. Do away with private health insurance companies too. That would save us all a lot of loot too. Doing away with private student loan companies saved a lot of loot too!

Eureka! Get rid of all those private companies who suck loot out of all of us, call themselves job creators, and haven't created jobs. Or tax the freak out of them until they do.

Yes Tal that makes sense, then you would have smaller churches and big name ministries because they could do less and of course, the government will step in and fill the vacuum when all those church associated charities go bust.

Its hard to know whether taxing a church constitutes a violation of the constitution since the member, etc is making a donation to the church as part of the conduct of the religion but certainly certain income shouldn't be tax protected

Church employees pay taxes just like everyone else, but I have a much better idea than taxing churches which actually do a lot of good for people without charging a dime, let's tax abortions.

Meanwhile, speaking of vile things, Anthony Weiner is apparently running for mayor of NYC. He's a changed man says his brother, “There was definitely a douchiness about him that I just don’t really see anymore.”

Allahpundit came up with his campaign slogan: Weiner 2013: Not as much of a douche.

Lets tax everything, and be done with it. If you can't afford it you can't buy it, so bring on the rights flat tax and see how the economy goes.

Can I have a raise boss to buy milk and gas? ACHHOOO! Sorry but I can't afford to stay home with a lousy cold. >sniff, sniff<.

I have a great idea, no more tax exemptions for the church, since it's a private institution any way.
OK

Doing away with private student loan companies saved a lot of loot too!
I'd like to see that claim backed up... All I see is that it drove the cost of tuitions up.

I'd like to see that claim backed up ... All I see is that it drove the cost of tuitions up.

Logic, it cut out the middle man and the schools are jacking up their costs now too. Every body is jacking up their prices, because they can. Can you think of a better way to get government money?

Logic ;if every kid is getting government guaranteed loans then competition for admission drives up cost of tuition .The government created the tuition increase problem .

Why the Government is to Blame for High College Costs - US News and World Report (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2011/11/23/why-the-government-is-to-blame-for-high-college-costs)

http://financialawakenings.com/weekly-column/the-high-cost-of-college-loans

Ah those free market mechanics you love so much and look; a stimilus actually worked

What are you talking about ? The kids in America are graduating with enormous debt and walking into the world with no jobs ;or being underemployed . There are articles in AARP about how the new normal is going to be 3 generations living in a single home.
All this courtesy of Uncle Sam .

I'm talking about this increased demand for education you identified resulting from government loans. No one said there had to be jobs at the end of the production line but they will go on turning out the best of the best of the best. Look at it this way, it keeps the kids off the streets and maybe one of them will solve the problem and just maybe they can spell

I read somewhere the other day that most of the new jobs these days are going to workers 50+ and up. Guess no one has openings for philosophy and women's studies majors.

No there is not a big demand for english majors and aboriginal studies either.

If employers have any sense they want practical people who can do a day's work, not a day's talk

The more money the federal government pumps into financial aid, the more money the colleges charge for tuition. Inflation-adjusted tuition and fees have tripled over those same 30 years while aid quadrupled; the aid is going up faster than the tuition. Thanks to the federal government, massive sums of money are available to pay for massive tuitions.


Colleges can raise tuition with impunity because colleges know they'll get paid no matter what.

Those greedy bast@rds can't get enough of that government money. Amazing how no one suggested lowering the cost of college as a solution.

How anti free enterprise can you get? No this is classic economics. What you need to do is reduce the number of places available or raise the entry level requirements

Those greedy bast@rds can't get enough of that government money. Amazing how no one suggested lowering the cost of college as a solution.

They got to pay all those athletes and tenured profs.

Those greedy bast@rds can't get enough of that government money. Amazing how no one suggested lowering the cost of college as a solution.
I have a solution . Get rid of all the cr@p that is part of the college experience. If I was doing it over ,I'd take on -line courses as much as possible

Now you are talking. Start at Pre-K, and go all the way to PHD, at home.

I have no words... (profanity warning)

We are Femen, the naked shock troops of feminism | Inna Shevchenko (http://m.guardiannews.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/10/femen-naked-shock-troops-of-feminism)

I have to ask this. We don't have the "college experience " here, how does this add to educational excellence?

Hello again, Steve:


I have no words... (profanity warning)Since the get go, your party has been on the side of DENYING the expansion of rights.. When that happens, it pisses people off. So, they gather into groups and march around carrying signs.. You've NEVER liked that, and you DON'T like it now.

If you want a LOOK at your war on women, look no further than THIS post.

Excon

Looks like Vladdy is enjoying the view

Hello again, Steve:

Since the get go, your party has been on the side of DENYING the expansion of rights.. When that happens, it pisses people off. So, they gather into groups and march around carrying signs.. You've NEVER liked that, and you DON'T like it now.

If you want a LOOK at your war on women, look no further than THIS post.

excon

They should march naked in the White House until female staffers get equal pay.

They gotta pay all those athletes and tenured profs.

Was that profs or poofs

was that profs or poofs

Take your pick.

One percenter Mr. "Fair share" is once again leading from behind as his tax rate reaches a new low of 18.4%.

The Obamas' falling tax rate - Steven Sloan and Kelsey Snell - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/obama-taxes-highlight-budget-choices-90014.html?hp=t3_3)

Remember this the next time you whine about the rich, tal.

Hello again, Steve:

To suggest that Obama should pay MORE than he owes, is just as stupid as thinking that Al Gore should ride a bicycle to his appointments...

excon

Had the congress acted he would have been affected like everyone else. They didn't. I don't whine about the rich, I merely point out that they sank the economy, and have not reciprocated being saved from their own mistakes and feed us this "job creator" nonsense.

Hello again, Steve:

To suggest that Obama should pay MORE than he owes, is just as stupid as thinking that Al Gore should ride a bicycle to his appointments...

excon

Gee, every time I say that you whine about "government handouts."

Here's the thing, if that's all he owes that's all he should pay. I'm consistent in that, you seem to have the change of heart. But you do know it's extremely hypocritical for the man to have beat us to death about paying your "fair share" which I believe to him is 30%, but that's normal for rich libs. Just as it's normal for you libs to excuse your elite while yammering about the one percent ruining the country.

Hello again, Steve:

I DON'T yammer about the 1%. I yammer about the LAW that lets the 1% skate.. I'm a capitalist. I long to BE in the 1%.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

I DON'T yammer about the 1%. I yammer about the LAW that lets the 1% skate.. I'm a capitalist. I long to BE in the 1%.

excon

Most libs long to be in the 1%, they just don't want everyone else in the 1% and if they are, they want to tell you how much money you can have. Obama has made it policy.

Okay Speech, what caused the global melt down, and where did the money go?

Okay Speech, what caused the global melt down, and where did the money go?

I think we've discussed that to death, the subject at the moment is Mr. Fair Share's ever declining tax rate (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc-morning_joe/vp/51541399#51541399).

Schools 'ripping out playground equipment to avoid being sued' after millions of pounds are paid to pupils who hurt (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2308846/Schools-ripping-playground-equipment-avoid-sued-millions-pounds-paid-pupils-hurt.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

Sigh...

Schools 'ripping out playground equipment to avoid being sued' after millions of pounds are paid to pupils who hurt (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2308846/Schools-ripping-playground-equipment-avoid-sued-millions-pounds-paid-pupils-hurt.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

Sigh...

Nothing new in this they have been doing it here for years

UAE men 'too handsome' for Saudi festival (http://www.arabianbusiness.com/uae-men-too-handsome-for-saudi-festival-498216.html#.UW2TSEqn6ji)


Three Emirati men were ejected from a festival in Saudi Arabia as they were deemed “too handsome”, leading authorities to fear women could become attracted to them, it has been reported.

According to Arabic language Elaph newspaper, the UAE nationals were taking part in a heritage event in the capital Riyadh on Sunday when they were thrown out by Saudi’s religious police.

Saudi Arabia, a strictly conservative Sunni Muslim society, prohibits women from interacting with unrelated males.

“A festival official said the three Emiratis were taken out on the grounds they are too handsome and that the Commission members feared female visitors could fall for them,” the newspaper said.

At least now I know not to make plans for the festival.

That's what happens when you let too much religion creep into politics.

That's what happens when you let too much religion creep into politics.

Um, that's what happens when you let too much religion creep into religion.

Religion will kill you every time

Let's see, bombing suspects on the loose, a major catastrophe in Texas, the murder trial of the century (from which the Slimes pulled the reporter they just sent), and Obama whining about not getting his way on gun control. Which story is is news to the NY Slimes? Obama's whine and Fox's bias.



... The decision not to show the president’s angry rejoinder to the Senate vote — or to cover the vote in any detail an hour earlier — was the latest example of Fox’s evident lack of interest in the gun violence debate that has captivated many other media outlets. (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/business/media/fox-news-msnbc-and-the-gun-debate.html?smid=tw-NYTimesAd&seid=auto&_r=1&)

The channel, a favorite of conservatives, has refrained from extensive coverage while MSNBC, a favorite of progressives, has taken every conceivable opportunity to talk about it.

Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, the co-hosts of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” have openly campaigned for legislative reforms after the mass shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. in December, which left 26 people dead.

On Thursday, Mr. Scarborough, a registered Republican who promotes his conservative credentials as well as an independent streak, assailed the lawmakers who voted against the background check legislation. Citing the failed Senate vote as evidence, Mr. Scarborough said, “This party is moving toward extinction.

That would come as news to Fox fans, who have heard comparatively little about the subject. While most of “Joe” was dedicated to guns on Thursday, Fox’s morning show, “Fox & Friends,” didn’t mention the word once. It focused instead on news about a Texas fertilizer plant explosion.

Dude, did you hear about the explosion? 35-40 dead, 160 at least injured, blocks of the town were leveled and the Slimes thinks TV hosts who were campaigning for gun control whining about not getting their way is most newsworthy? Sigh...

Yeah Joe Scarborough;the left's favorite "conservative" . Like Romney ,he's "severly conservative"... (snicker )

Let's see, bombing suspects on the loose, a major catastrophe in Texas, the murder trial of the century (from which the Slimes pulled the reporter they just sent), and Obama whining about not getting his way on gun control. Which story is is news to the NY Slimes? Obama's whine and Fox's bias.



Dude, did you hear about the explosion? 35-40 dead, 160 at least injured, blocks of the town were leveled and the Slimes thinks TV hosts who were campaigning for gun control whining about not getting their way is most newsworthy? Sigh...

MSNBC gave the explosion at West some very extensive coverage yesterday, been there many times over the years. It was a must stop o Ft. Hood. A real industrial tragedy for the people there who are a small close knit community. They are still in search and rescue mode.

MSNBC gave the explosion at West some very extensive coverage yesterday, been there many times over the years. It was a must stop o Ft. Hood. A real industrial tragedy for the people there who are a small close knit community. They are still in search and rescue mode.

That's not the point though, the point is this Slimes dude being perturbed at Fox for covering the explosion instead of their pet cause. I think the explosion was more newsworthy at the time, plenty of time to focus on Obama's whining later.

Don't let Slime dude upset you, use your remote, or computer to follow more credible news sources. I do.

Don't let Slime dude upset you, use your remote, or computer to follow more credible news sources. I do.

Upset? Nah, these moronic liberal media types are entertainment. At least you acknowledge more credible news sources than the Slimes.

Next up, it's come to this... the good Dems in Maryland really are going to tax you for getting rained on (http://www.wtop.com/46/3284653/Higher-tax-in-Maryland-can-be-blamed-on-the-rain).

http://www.mde.state.md.us/programs/Water/StormwaterManagementProgram/SedimentandStormwaterHome/Documents/Chapter%20151%20Watershed%20Protection%20and%20Res toration%20fact%20sheet.pdf

You do want clean drinking water don't you?

http://www.mde.state.md.us/programs/Water/StormwaterManagementProgram/SedimentandStormwaterHome/Documents/Chapter%20151%20Watershed%20Protection%20and%20Res toration%20fact%20sheet.pdf

You do want clean drinking water don't you?

Who doesn't? This isn't about clean drinking water, this is about money. You want to stop pollution you regulate pollutants, not runoff (http://news.agc.org/2013/01/15/federal-court-rules-epa-cannot-regulate-stormwater-flow-only-pollutants/), or in this case taxing you because it rained. Rain is good, rain is necessary, you don't tax people on the damn weather.

Clean water costs money, and unmanaged run off can cause pollutants. I lived along Lake Michigan, and know that water treatment and run off management is a crucial part of clean drinking water.

All the creeks and rivers swollen with rain water creates many hazards from pollutants, human sewage being chief among them. Its just not healthy to anyone, humans, fish, or wildlife. When you flush your crap goes somewhere.

Hello again,

Nestlé CEO says (http://americanlivewire.com/nestle-ceo-says-water-is-food-that-should-be-privatized-not-a-human-right/)water is food that should be privatized – NOT a human right..


Do you believe water is a basic human right? According to Nestlé CEO water is a foodstuff that should be privatized, not a human right. Nestlé CEO Peter Brabeck says that with the global population rising water is not a public right, but a resource that should be managed by businessmen.

What could go wrong?

Excon

Hello again,

Nestlé CEO says (http://americanlivewire.com/nestle-ceo-says-water-is-food-that-should-be-privatized-not-a-human-right/)water is food that should be privatized – NOT a human right..



What could go wrong?

excon

Nothing, as long as they can make a profit from it. Whether you can afford to buy enough to keep you alive is not their concern. Silly of you to think the free market is FREE!!

Lol ,I thought the left loved things like trading carbon markets. Why not set up a global water credit system or futures that could be traded on the open market ? What could go wrong ? The same principles apply... when the price goes up then demand goes down... right ?

Here's the deal. My village used to have it's own public water.. They frankly sucked at running it . They eventually sold the assets to a private company United Water ,that privately runs the water service for our entire county . Fresh clean water flows from our faucets .
United Water is one of them greedy capitalist for profit companies . They also provide clean water to communies in 25 different states in the country .You may think that your water comes from a pubicly run source . But odds are it doesn't

clean water costs money, and unmanaged run off can cause pollutants. I lived along lake michigan, and know that water treatment and run off management is a crucial part of clean drinking water.

All the creeks and rivers swollen with rain water creates many hazards from pollutants, human sewage being chief among them. Its just not healthy to anyone, humans, fish, or wildlife. When you flush your crap goes somewhere.

Smh...

Should it matter if the water company is public, or private? The standards should be the same shouldn't it?

And they are.. but private industry runs them better .

Hello again, tom:


but private industry runs them better .Is it BETTER to give water to those who can't afford it? Probably not, huh? The moochers!

Excon

Sure, I'll give anyone a drink who needs it. Now can we stop taxing the weather?

Well if you aren't buying it in a Nestles bottle ,tap water is fairly cheap. I'm sure those who can't afford it are on public assistance of some kind.

Hello again,


I'm sure those who can't afford it are on public assistance of some kind.What if it was a town or a city like Detroit? What if it became scarce? Will only the rich be able to quench their thirst?? Should the thirsty moochers be able to drink?

What if a wealthy Mexican bought ALL the water in the Colorado river? Would it matter to the Imperial Valley, Las Vegas or Los Angeles?

Excon

Even in the worse situation I don't see a municipality /city county whatever doing a better job managing the operation of the water supply more efficiently than a private company. Even if it is publicly owned ,it is better managed as an Investor-Owned Utility. In your heart you know I am right about this .Municipal water utilities are, piggy banks and slush funds for local politicians. Private ownership drives waste out and forces accountability to customers, regulators, shareholders . Municipal ownership does none of this. Further ,government run utilities and their regulators are working for the same boss . It is a clear conflict of interest.

Sure, I'll give anyone a drink who needs it. Now can we stop taxing the weather?

I wonder if I'd get a tax break for collecting run off ? Many states don't permit that .
Collecting rainwater now illegal in many states as Big Government claims ownership over our water (http://www.naturalnews.com/029286_rainwater_collection_water.html)
What a conundrum ! Taxed if rain runs off your property and fined if you collect it !

I wonder if I'd get a tax break for collecting run off ? Many states don't permit that .
Collecting rainwater now illegal in many states as Big Government claims ownership over our water (http://www.naturalnews.com/029286_rainwater_collection_water.html)
What a conundrum ! Taxed if rain runs off your property and fined if you collect it !

But the gubmint is only there to help and to protect you from yourself and things like, struggling entrepreneurs...

Pinup Panini Food Truck Quits Over Proposed Regulations (http://dcist.com/2013/04/pinup_panini_food_truck_quits_over.php)

Like most regs liberals love this protects the entrenched interests and hurts the little guy.

Speech and Tom I sometimes wonder what is going on too. Where I live we are not allowed to have rainwater collection tanks yet this is dry part of the country, on the coast where rain is plentiful they must have rain water collection tanks. This nonsense is world wide

Yup I know the racket.. they don't want clerical office workers to run out and get quick inexpensive lunches... not when there are brick and mortar sit down restaurants that will serve a higher priced version of the sandwich .Nor do they want start up entrepreneurs running independent sandwich trucks.. not when franchised roach coaches dominate the market. It's just like the independent taxi industry that is being destroyed in DC .Only the cronies can afford the medallions ;and only the crony lunch truck operations will get the prime locations of operation. Government at it's best.

At least in our fairly dry location officials encourage us to collect rainwater. If you ask me any rain that falls on my property is mine for the taking.

I think any resident can collect rain water around their residence, but rural areas hate it when you divert a source of water from a town, village, or community. Whatever the local rules are. Just keeping the lawn, or garden watered can be expensive in Texas in the summer.

Charlie Rangel, tax evader and corruptocrat, is suing John Boehner to have his House censure overturned, which passed on a bipartisan 333-79 vote. A censure is basically a public scolding saying "you've been a naughty boy." Wearing a pro-second amendment t-shirt to school will get you worse punishment than Rangel received (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3447779-post796.html).


Democratic Rep. Charles Rangel is suing Speaker John Boehner and six other lawmakers, alleging problems with the House ethics investigation that led to his censure in 2010.

In a complaint filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Washington, the New York Democrat alleges "numerous, flagrant, knowing and intentional violations" of his due process rights.

Rangel, 82, seeks to overturn the censure and says in the court papers that he suffers "irreparable harm that cannot be compensated by money damages."

Rangel's office referred questions to his attorney, Jay Goldberg, who did not return a phone call seeking comment.

The lawsuit names Boehner; Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif. who was chairwoman of the House ethics committee at the time of the censure; and other committee members and staff. The congressman alleges that evidence was withheld by the committee staff.

In December 2010, the House voted 333-79 to censure Rangel for multiple ethical misdeeds — including failing to pay taxes for 17 years on rental income from his villa in the Dominican Republic and soliciting donations from companies with business before the Ways and Means Committee while he was chairman. The donations were going to a center being built in Rangel's honor at the City College of New York.

Obviously taking responsibility for your actions is so passé.

What irreparable harm ? He was reelected by the sheeple in his district with hardly any opposition.

Hello again, tom:


He was reelected by the sheeple in his district with hardly any opposition.Let me see... Gerrymandering is bad, bad, bad, when Democrats do it, but it's cool when right wingers do it?

Does that about sum it up?

Excon

Nope... corrupt politician censured for his corruption should not be reelected no matter how the district demographics are stacked. Yes ;I call out the people of his district for not caring enough that a crook represents them.

Their all crooks, especially the right wingers who say they aren't.

nope ... corrupt politician censured for his corruption should not be reelected no matter how the district demographics are stacked. Yes ;I call out the people of his district for not caring enough that a crook represents them.

Come on Tom where do you get an honest politician?

Charlie Rangel, tax evader and corruptocrat, is suing John Boehner to have his House censure overturned, which passed on a bipartisan 333-79 vote. A censure is basically a public scolding saying "you've been a naughty boy." Wearing a pro-second amendment t-shirt to school will get you worse punishment than Rangel received (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3447779-post796.html).



Obviously taking responsibility for your actions is so passé.

There appears to be two different issues here. One being an inappropriate shirt and the other related to not paying taxes.

Tutt you know there are only two issues; death and taxes, now the T-shirt is in the death category and taxes are like the poor, they are always with us

It's come to this, Anthony "pants on the ground" Weiner has chosen a, well, an interesting logo (https://twitter.com/KateNocera/status/327058276418220032/photo/1)to kick off his mayoral race.

The emperor's latest amnesty ploy, we're all immigrants.


Unless you are one of the first Americans, unless you are a Native American, you came from someplace else. That’s why we’ve always defined ourselves as a nation of immigrants. And we’ve always been better off for it."

—President Obama

Excuse me, I was born in Amarillo, Tx, USA. I am a native American.

His is a flawed logic . The native Americans did not originate here either . They were tribes of migrants that crossed over from Asia.

The emperor's latest amnesty ploy, we're all immigrants.



Excuse me, I was born in Amarillo, Tx, USA. I am a native American.

So babies born here are native Americans too.

na·tive (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/native)
Adjective \ˈnā-tiv\
Definition of NATIVE
1 : inborn, innate <native talents>

2 : belonging to a particular place by birth

3 : archaic : closely related

4 : belonging to or associated with one by birth

Speaking of The Goracle...


Former Vice President Gore on Tuesday said "there's no such thing as ethical oil," slamming the notion that importing oil from U.S. ally Canada was better than doing so from unfriendly nations.

“There’s no such thing as ethical oil. There’s only dirty oil and dirtier oil,” Gore told Canada’s The Globe and Mail during a Tuesday event in Toronto.

Read more: Gore: 'There's no such thing as ethical oil' - The Hill's E2-Wire (http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/298443-gore-oil-from-a-friend-is-still-oil?utm_source=feedly#ixzz2SnkagCSf)
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Of course not, it's much more ethical to waste billions of taxpayer dollars on "green" energy, poison us with light bulbs and generate tons of toxic battery waste.

na·tive (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/native)
adjective \ˈnā-tiv\
Definition of NATIVE
1 : inborn, innate <native talents>

2 : belonging to a particular place by birth

3 : archaic : closely related

4 : belonging to or associated with one by birth

That's what I said, babies born here are as native as you are right?


Speaking of The Goracle...
Of course not, it's much more ethical to waste billions of taxpayer dollars on "green" energy, poison us with light bulbs and generate tons of toxic battery waste.

Yeah I bet the places where the pipelines for Canadian oil, or any spill is worried about light bulbs.

Pipeline rupture spills heavy Canadian crude oil (http://www.leaderpost.com/news/Pipeline+rupture+spills+heavy+Canadian+crude/8176619/story.html)

Need more links, there are many. Companies screw things up all the time, Koch is notorious for it. At least you can go to Home Depot and stock up on all the old style light bulbs and candles you want.

Hello tal:


At least you can go to Home Depot and stock up on all the old style light bulbs and candles you want.You didn't hear about the Obama Light Bulb & Gun Task Force? When they pick up the guns, they're going to get the light bulbs too.

It's ON the internet..

Excon

That's what I said, babies born here are as native as you are right?

Was the definition confusing?


Yeah I bet the places where the pipelines for Canadian oil, or any spill is worried about light bulbs.

Pipeline rupture spills heavy Canadian crude oil (http://www.leaderpost.com/news/Pipeline+rupture+spills+heavy+Canadian+crude/8176619/story.html)

Need more links, there are many. Companies screw things up all the time, Koch is notorious for it. At least you can go to Home Depot and stock up on all the old style light bulbs and candles you want.

So you agree with The Goracle, there is no such thing as ethical oil?

Hello tal:

You didn't hear about the Obama Light Bulb & Gun Task Force?? When they pick up the guns, they're gonna get the light bulbs too.

It's ON the internet..

excon

They can have my incandescents when they pry them out of my cold, dead hands.

Was the definition confusing?



So you agree with The Goracle, there is no such thing as ethical oil?

Not when its bubbling in my front yard for 6 months.

Not when its bubbling in my front yard for 6 months.

It was a yes or no question.

What if it was bubbling up in your yard for 6 months?

It was a yes or no question.

Here you go, the best example of the Obama administration's commitment to transparency I've seen to date:

Most Transparent Administration in History Releases Completely Redacted Document About Text Snooping (http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/13/most-transparent-administration-in-histo)

Page after page after page of this:

Not when its bubbling in my front yard for 6 months.

Shale oil ,natual gas, and methane hydrate are the future of energy for the next century.. deal with it .

It's come to this... Dana Milbank Obama, the guy that's argued for and grown the government Leviathan because this nanny is good and necessary can't be blamed for any of these scandals because... government's too big.


The media is helping. Obama isn’t a bad guy, he’s merely out of the loop, we’re told. He is “President Passerby,” as Dana Milbank calls him. And besides, as David Axlerod said this morning on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” government is just so vast that nobody can really know what’s going on (as one of my Twitter followers noted, why didn’t Bush think of that to explain Abu Ghraib away?)

Read more: The new narrative: Obama is 'President Passerby' | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/15/the-new-narrative-obama-is-president-passerby/#ixzz2TNsMFpXr)

Let's see if I have this straight, Axelrod is resorting to the conservative argument against big government to let Obama off the hook?

THose our our tax dollars at work... supplying Obamaphones to Africans in Africa.

In calling the Ft Hood shooting a"workplace violence" the perp is still collecting his army salary, up to $278,000 so far (http://www.nbcdfw.com/investigations/Accused-Fort-Hood-Shooter-Paid-278000-While-Awaiting-Trial-208230691.html).

Worse yet, it means the victims are not eligible for combat-related benefits.


The Army has not classified the wounds of the Ft. Hood victims as “combat related” and declines to label the shooting a “terrorist attack”,

The “combat related” designation is an important one, for without it Burnett and other shooting victims are not given combat-related pay, they are not eligible for Purple Heart retirement or medical benefits given to other soldiers wounded either at war or during the Sept. 11, 2001 attack on the Pentagon.

As a result, Burnett, his wife Torey, and the families of other Fort Hood victims miss out on thousands of dollars of potential benefits and pay every year.

To Burnett the shooting felt like combat.

“You take three rounds and lose five good friends and watch seven other people get killed in front of you. Do you have another term that we can classify that as?” asked Burnett.

The Army has categorized the shooting as a case of “workplace violence.”

“Sickens me. Absolutely sickens me. Workplace violence? I don't even know if I have the words to say,” said Burnett.

"They don't need to be treated like this. They don't need to sit and fight every day for this benefit or that,” said Torey Burnett.

As that fight continues, Burnett was stunned to see a letter detailing the more $278,000 Hasan has been paid since his arrest. NBC 5 Investigates received the letter from the Department of Defense in response to a request under the Freedom of Information Act.

"There have been times when my wife and I cannot afford groceries. We cannot afford gas in our car,” Burnett said. “Literally, times where we ate Ramen noodles for weeks on end. This [that Hasan is still earning a paycheck] makes me sick to my stomach,” said Burnett.

Shameful.

So are the sexual assaults in the military. We should fix that too.

So are the sexual assaults in the military. We should fix that too.

So holler at your congressman about it.

So holler at your congressman about it.

So you aren't interested in protecting women after all?

So holler at your congressman about it.

I do, here is where you can start your own hollering,

Find Your Representative · House.gov (http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/)

Emails and letters are better than hollering.

Once again the media is surprised to learn the Pope is Catholic (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/05/21/pope-francis-exorcism/2347197/) because he apparently believes the devil is real. Shocker.

Well that's a 'duh ' . The young man heaved deeply a half-dozen times, shook, then slumped in his wheelchair as Francis prayed over him.
For a second there I thought that they would say the young man stood up and did an Irish jig .

Fact of the day, do with it what you will. The Obama administration has killed more Americans with drone strikes than foreigners were waterboarded under Bush.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/us-acknowledges-killing-4-americans-in-drone-strikes.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1&

That no comparison. Mean nothing.

Fact of the day, do with it what you will. The Obama administration has killed more Americans with drone strikes than foreigners were waterboarded under Bush.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/us-acknowledges-killing-4-americans-in-drone-strikes.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1&

Really, a nothing statistic, what does enemy combatant mean to you, someone to be shot at? Is America actually acknowledging drone strikes now? So much for plausible denieability. Don't you think Bush would have used the tool equally well?

The idea that torture should be used is abhorant.. The idea that cowards can sit in their castles thousands of miles away and rain death on whoever is abhorant

If you haven't heard Anthony Weiner has tossed his hat in the ring for NYC mayor (hopefully it wasn't the only thing covering his weiner when he did), and kicked it off by reminding voters of - Pittsburgh.

Weiner's Pittsburgh Snafu: Campaign Website Shows Pittsburgh Skyline, Not NYC's (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/23/weiner-pittsburgh-website-skyline-photo_n_3327958.html)

Hello again, Steve:

I don't know.. People who think it's cool for Mark Sanford to come back, but not Anthony Wiener are hypocrites..

excon

Vitter came back too, and no big deal?

Hello again, Steve:

I dunno.. People who think it's cool for Mark Sanford to come back, but not Anthony Wiener are hypocrites..

excon

Did I miss where I thought it was cool for Sanford to stage a comeback or suggest Weiner's wasn't? I didn't think so.

Now, can't you just laugh at anything any more, or has the whole scandal-fest turned you into more of a curmudgeon?

You're talking about NYC . They send Charlie Rangel back to DC dutifully every 2 years . We are the state that sent Bobby Kennedy to the Senate even though his residency was a hotel address . We sent a carpet-bagger from Arkansas to the Senate and propelled her to becoming the most incompetent Sec State in history. (Weiner's wife ;a Muslim Brotherhood sympathizer, still works for Evita) . This is the NYC that allowed the ultimate 1%er to change the rules ala Hugo Chavez so he could get a 3rd term... just because he felt like it... and now that his term has come to an end ;the law was changed back to the two term minimum.
So is it conceivable that Weiner could win ? Absolutely ! He has more name recognition than any of the Tammaney Hall candidates.

Oddly, this isn't really an "it's come to this" moment any more because Dems actually believe this nonsense...


Ellison: ‘Really Disappointing’ That Apple Doesn’t Want to Pay More Taxes
(http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/349394/ellison-really-disappointing-apple-doesn-t-want-pay-more-taxes)
Representative Keith Ellison (D. Minn.) just can’t wrap his head around why Apple wouldn’t “step up” to pay more in taxes.

“It seems to me they ought to want to help to pay the expenses of this country, so that everybody can have a fair shot,” Ellison said on MSNBC’s The Ed Show over the weekend.

Ellison found it “really disappointing” that Apple wasn’t willing to pay higher taxes, arguing that it “wouldn’t be a multi-billion-dollar corporation but for the fact that the United States of America made it possible for them to be that successful.”

“Taxes are not a punishment,” he explained, “taxes are the dues we pay to live in a civilized society.”

Apple’s CEO Tim Cook testified before a Senate subcommittee last week over the company’s tax-avoidance practices. Schultz later questioned whether what Apple was engaging in was “morally right,” concluding ”I don’t think they’ve got warm blood, I really don’t.”

Odd that Apple, like virtually everyone else (probably Mr. Ellison included), would want to protect its interests isn't it? It seems Apple has a ton of cash overseas (shocking isn't it?) and doesn't want to pay the enormous cost of repatriating those dollars which means they won't be investing those dollars here at home. So the Ellisons of this world can only see a cold-blooded corporation unwilling to pay their "fair share" to pay for government benefits to another few hundred thousand illegals and bad teachers to collect their salary for doing nothing.

a cold-blooded corporation unwilling to pay their "fair share" to pay for government benefits to another few hundred thousand illegals and bad teachers to collect their salary for doing nothing.There is no arguing with that logic.

Actually like the bank crisis Apple would be in a very uncompetitive position because all the multinationals companies do the same thing regarding taxes.


pay for government benefits to another few hundred thousand illegals and bad teachers to collect their salary for doing nothing.

You don't want to pay anything to unemployed and poor Americans so lumping illegals in is no surprise, but I bet Oklahoma and Sandy Hook don't vilify their teachers the way you do.

You see ;if Ellison was truly interested in the public interest he would negotiate a repatriation deal like Rand Paul proposed .
I have a bill that would repatriate profits from foreign companies at 5 percent and put it into infrastructure. Our country is woefully short of money for infrastructure. But you're not going to get it at 35 percent--- you are getting zero. Let's make it 5 percent and create and infrastructure fund.

You don't want to pay anything to unemployed and poor Americans so lumping illegals in is no surprise, but I bet Oklahoma and Sandy Hook don't vilify their teachers the way you do.

So you would rather take our tax dollars and give them to people here illegally instead of my disabled daughter and pay bad teachers for doing nothing instead of firing them. Glad you cleared that up.

So you would rather take our tax dollars and give them to people here illegally instead of my disabled daughter Those are the only two options? Really?

Those are the only two options? Really?

No.

That's what I thought. It was the only two you mentioned so it really is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dichotomy