Have a nice life.

Thank you :) You as well!

White House counsel Kathryn Ruemmler has been linked as a significant cog in both the IRS and Benghazi talking points affairs, and WaPo's political section The Fix has this gripping report:

A White House counsel known for her shoes (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/05/27/a-white-house-counsel-and-her-glamorous-shoes/)

Well, that was a revelation of significant national importance.

you see ;if Ellison was truely interested in the public interest he would negotiate a repatriation deal like Rand Paul proposed .
I have a bill that would repatriate profits from foreign companies at 5 percent and put it into infrastructure. Our country is woefully short of money for infrastructure. But you're not going to get it at 35 percent--- you are getting zero. Let's make it 5 percent and create and infrastructure fund.

Like the infrastructure bank the president has in the congress already? Public/private enterprise?

And with all the loopholes the rich have written for their own gains, I doubt seriously any one pays 35%.


So you would rather take our tax dollars and give them to people here illegally instead of my disabled daughter and pay bad teachers for doing nothing instead of firing them. Glad you cleared that up.

I would rather have a solution that helps all our daughters and sons, and the poor old, and kids. Not just your daughter. Sorry guys, but I have seen all this before, nothing new, and no improvements were made then, and I doubt any will be made now, so excuse me for not being as outraged by our shortcomings as a nation as you seem to always be.

Well yeah ,there are similarities .But there are also big differences in funding with the Obots still obsessed with surcharges taxing the rich. It has bipartisan support with modifiers Can't waste any more money on Solyndra types schemes; or silly high speed rail to nowhere... that sort of stuff .

The Senate is only this year considering passing a budget . Perhaps it will move through Congress this year being ironed out in a conference committee.

I would rather have a solution that helps all our daughters and sons, and the poor old, and kids. Not just your daughter. Sorry guys, but I have seen all this before, nothing new, and no improvements were made then, and I doubt any will be made now, so excuse me for not being as outraged by our shortcomings as a nation as you seem to always be.

At least not while your side is in power and screwing things up.

Its not about whose in power, but about how both sides address the issues that cause us problems. Your side has had the power too, and never solved any problems either. Both sides have failed us haven't they?

Absolutely both sides have failed us, but why should Apple volunteer for punitive taxation? Do you believe as Ellison does they should and if so, why? Why should anyone WANT to give the feds more money to squander?

Forget volunteering to pay more taxes. Rewrite the LAW. Be nice if hey built there stuff here and let the sweat shops close, but that's unlikely when they count their money, and the completion does to.

I don't see it as a hard thing to write the law that incentivizes having jobs here. And since there not here they should be compelled to pay. But making the US into a third world sweat shop sure isn't the answer to me. We can do better than that, and should.

And its not just Apple, but the entire industry that's the problem.

The problem tal is the profit motive, there should be a supertax on profits, particularly those earned on the back of third world slavery. So we should decide what is a reasonable return on capital, say 15% and everythingelse is returned to the government coffers. It would pay down the debt very quickly and curb a few CEO salaries and packages which they didn't earn anyway. Anyone can make a decision to exploit, it isn't brilliant business strategy.There should be a supertax on personal earnings above a certain level also. If Bill gates can give it away before it is taken so can others

yeah because it's up to government to decide what a "reasonable return " is .

Exactly, profit is a return for risk, in industries where there is no risk such as retailing a high return is exploitation and profiteering. Walmart got rich on the backs of collies, you just don't want to face it, who got rich on the deaths of the Bangladeshie garment workers? Capitalism and multinationalism stinks wherever it is found

I'd say it's up to the business owner to decide if the rate of return is worth the risk. The more the government chips away at that return the less attractive it is to continue operating the business. Let the government continue to tax corporations at 35% or even more in cases where they want to double tax income earned over seas and we will continue to see corporations attempting to shield their income . Who wins ? Countries like Ireland that get it .

exactly, profit is a return for risk, in industries where there is no risk such as retailing a high return is exploitation and profiteering. Walmart got rich on the backs of collies, you just don't want to face it, who got rich on the deaths of the Bangladeshie garment workers? Capitalism and multinationalism stinks wherever it is found

Good grief. Walmart got rich by making it affordable to buy what you need - and people like it - in DROVES.


Give Sam Walton the Nobel Prize

There is much to dislike about Walmart: the union-busting employee rules, putting mom-and-pop grocery stores out of business, all that plastic garbage it sells us, the shady business scandals. It's the mortal enemy of locavores, the big bad box store that environmentalists and community organizers demonize. But for all its manifold offenses, Walmart may have done more for poor consumers in the United States, and around the world, than any other business in American history.

The world's largest retailer, Walmart shrugs off the controversy for a simple reason: The stuff it sells is cheap. Beyond its immense buying power (which sucks profit margins from suppliers), its incredibly efficient logistics systems and sourcing from low-wage foreign labor allow Walmart to drive down the cost of making and shipping many of its products. And Walmart is only the most visible example of a far bigger phenomenon: Globally, even in places thousands of miles from the nearest blue-shirted greeter, more efficient production and transportation are reducing the prices of many of the basic goods purchased by the world's poorest people. If that's rapacious, Walmart-style capitalism, let's have more!

More than 1 billion people still live in the borderlands of absolute deprivation, scraping by on less than $1.25 a day. Nevertheless, many have more access to goods and services than they did only a few years ago (even if they're not yet buying their cassava at the Ouagadougou Walmart). That's in part because companies around the world have figured out how to make and ship the stuff that poor people want at lower cost, which makes lives better. Call it the global Walmart effect.

There are two ways to help poor people buy more of what they need. One is to help them make more money. The other is to make the money they have go further. And Walmart has proved incredibly adept at that second approach. Take food, for instance. Walmart is the world's biggest food retailer, and it offers foods at prices considerably lower than those at traditional supermarkets -- as much as 25 percent lower, according to economists Jerry Hausman and Ephraim Leibtag. Factor in all the other stuff it sells, and Walmart's overall impact on its shoppers' spending power is even greater.

Walmart's low prices come in part from relying on efficient production in developing countries. Of course it isn't just Walmart's procurement agents who are buying cheap stuff from Asia; pretty much the whole world is, including retailers from Bangalore to Bangui. That's because manufacturers in China, India, and elsewhere have become particularly adept at producing low-cost versions of goods demanded by "bottom of the pyramid" consumers -- otherwise known as the world's poorest people.

Think of the mobile phone. There are about 6 billion subscribers worldwide -- 86 out of every 100 people on the planet. And many of them are texting and calling on Chinese-made devices. China produced more than 1 billion mobile phones in 2012 alone. But it's not just telephones. China manufactures as many as four out of five of the world's bicycles, and it's the leading maker of penicillin, producing more than 50 percent of the global supply. A whole range of goods purchased by some of the planet's poorest people are now made at low cost in the Middle Kingdom.

What about India? A study found that generic companies based in India supplied 53 percent of the antiretroviral drugs to treat HIV in sub-Saharan Africa from 2004 to 2006. In fact, one-third of Indian drug exports went to sub-Saharan Africa between 1999 and 2006. That really matters when World Health Organization estimates suggest public expenditure on drugs in that region averages below $10 per person each year. It also has a knock-on effect: Recent analysis by researchers Tamara Hafner and David Popp argues that African imports of antibiotics and other drugs from India and China reduce the price of identical drugs imported from high-income countries, suggesting fiercer competition is reducing costs.

The generics effect is widespread: Basically, the things poor people want appear to be dropping in price faster than the stuff rich people want. It may even be that the bottom of the pyramid is benefiting from lower prices more than the luxury-buying elite. (That's not well reflected in global income statistics because the standard price indices used to construct these metrics are weighted toward luxury goods -- fancy cars and granite countertops, not bicycles and plastic sheeting.) In effect, the world's poor people are still very poor, but they aren't quite as poor as the stats would indicate.

That helps explain why many of the world's most destitute people own more stuff than they used to. Take Madagascar, a very poor country that has technically been getting poorer over time. Between 1992 and 2009, the country's real GDP per person fell from $843 to $753. But the percentage of households with a phone climbed from less than 1 percent to 28 percent, the proportion with a motorbike climbed from 4 percent to 22 percent, and the percentage with a television increased from 7 percent to 18 percent. People in Madagascar, as well as in much of the rest of the developing world, are living better and longer with more possessions to their name. That's true even if, officially, they are as poor as they've ever been. And Madagascar doesn't even have a Walmart -- yet.

Still, for all the "everyday low prices," whenever a new Walmart opens, local competitors really are often forced to shutter their doors. Imagine that happening on a global scale. Harvard University economist Dani Rodrik, for one, worries that Africa and Latin America are seeing their manufacturing sectors shrink, perhaps in part because East Asia has taken most of the global low-end manufacturing opportunities. And that may leave the rest of the developing world looking in vain for that first step up on the ladder to industrialization.

That's a problem, to be sure, but one that should, in theory, solve itself. As China gets richer, labor will inevitably get more expensive and factories will migrate. Some already have -- to places like Vietnam and Indonesia. And if retailers like Walmart continue to seek the cheapest, most efficient suppliers and manufacturers, those Asian production centers will eventually shift to Africa in search of cheap labor. That may take decades. But in the meantime, China's efficiency means that poor people's scarce resources can go a little bit further -- which is enough to put a grin on even the most dejected round, yellow smiley face.

But by all means, let's make it more expensive for the world's poor to survive.

There are two ways to help poor people buy more of what they need. One is to help them make more money. The other is to make the money they have go further. And Walmart has proved incredibly adept at that second approach.
And in the US at least they have also mastered the 1st approach . Walmart hires many entry level employees in the communities their brick and mortar stores are located , providing opportunities to many low skilled workers. They have also pledged to hire an additional 100,000 returning Vets in the next 5 years. Yeah I know ,it isn't the greatest job in the world ,and it is not one I would make a career . ; but in today's economy, it's a job.. and might be enough to keep veterans off the streets and out of shelters.

Good grief. Walmart got rich by making it affordable to buy what you need - and people like it - in DROVES.



But by all means, let's make it more expensive for the world's poor to survive.

Lets hope they can survive the next time a factory falls on their heads so we can get a dozen eggs cheaper.

Wal-Mart's killer rollbacks: The human cost of lower prices | rabble.ca (http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/michael-laxer/2012/12/wal-marts-killer-rollbacks-human-cost-lower-prices)


“Specifically to the issue of any corrections on electrical and fire safety, we are talking about 4,500 factories, and in most cases very extensive and costly modifications would need to be undertaken to some factories,” they said in the document. “It is not financially feasible for the brands to make such investments.”

How many must die for you to get a cheap price?


Now it is clear the predictable price in blood that was paid for this decision. On November 24, 2012, 112 workers died in an horrific factory fire in Bangladesh at the Tazreen Factory that produced garments for Wal-Mart and other chains. Wal-Mart has claimed that the factory was no longer "authorized" to produce garments for it, but it did, somehow, continue to do so, and documents that have come to light clearly show that "as recently as September, five of 14 production lines at the factory were making shirts and pajamas for Wal-Mart "

That vet hiring thing? Trumka's not happy about Walmart giving them a job.
(http://www.aflcio.org/Press-Room/Press-Releases/Statement-by-AFL-CIO-President-Richard-Trumka-on-White-House-Facilitating-Walmart-s-Public-Relations-Move)

Walmart’s recent announcement of a plan to hire returning honorably discharged veterans is more about public relations than honoring our heroes. That this effort was valorized by President Obama and Vice President Biden reflects an acceptance of economic failure out of line with America’s history or future.

We owe it to our returning veterans to make sure they are treated as the heroes they are, rather than as symbols used to “greenwash” Walmart’s eroding brand. After facing enemies abroad, is an $8.81 an hour part-time job the best we can offer returning veterans?

Already, working families and our economy are struggling against an epidemic of low-paying, low-benefit, part-time work. Instead of legitimizing that trend, we need to treat the talents of our veterans—and of all of America’s people—as a critical national resource.

We need businesses in this country to step up and make family-sustaining jobs available to returning veterans. Previous generations of heroes returned from overseas service to critical jobs in manufacturing, construction and public service, jobs that enabled veterans to help build the nation and support families. With the right policies, including those in President Obama and Vice President Biden’s American Jobs Act, we can live up to the standards of our past and empower our veterans for the future.

I wonder if Trumka has compared prices at unionized grocers at say, Vons and Ralph's with Walmart. I have. Don't expect those struggling families to buy groceries there.

Documents Undermine Walmart Account on Deadly Bangladesh Fire | The Nation (http://www.thenation.com/blog/171628/documents-undermine-walmart-account-deadly-bangladesh-fire)


Nova also called Walmart's role in the 2011 Dhaka meeting “especially revealing.” He described Walmart's position as “1) We know these factories are unsafe. 2) We know it will cost substantial sums to make them safe. 3) We are not going to pay for this. 4) We are going to keep using the factories anyway.”


“Walmart's greed and arrogance appear to be boundless,” said Nova. This is a company that siphons billions in subsidies from US taxpayers, that has made billions in profits on the backs of Bangladeshi workers, then scoffs at the notion that it should be asked to pay one dime to protect those workers from dying in factory fires while they sew Walmart clothes.”

What part of profits over people is it you don't understand?

That vet hiring thing? Trumka's not happy about Walmart giving them a job.
(http://www.aflcio.org/Press-Room/Press-Releases/Statement-by-AFL-CIO-President-Richard-Trumka-on-White-House-Facilitating-Walmart-s-Public-Relations-Move)


I wonder if Trumka has compared prices at unionized grocers at say, Vons and Ralph's with Walmart. I have. Don't expect those struggling families to buy groceries there.

What a surprise ! A union thug doesn't like that workers aren't filtered through his organization. Again , no one is saying an entry level job at Walmart is a career.. and even if the Vets decide to make working at Walmart their career ,they come into the job with a skill set that gives them an edge when advancement opportunities present themselves.

And you of course think Walmart, Gap, Target and every other company that buys products from Bangladesh should be responsible for safety standards instead of Bangladesh. Very unfortunate, but not Walmart's fault. My question to you is what do you want those poor to do to earn a living when those big retailers start buying product elsewhere? I know, they can go work in the toxic waste industry (http://gantdaily.com/2012/03/19/environmentalists-concerned-over-electronic-waste-in-bangladesh/).

Workers need all the union thugs they can get to overcome the profits before people corporate thugs.

And you of course think Walmart, Gap, Target and every other company that buys products from Bangladesh should be responsible for safety standards instead of Bangladesh. Very unfortunate, but not Walmart's fault. My question to you is what do you want those poor to do to earn a living when those big retailers start buying product elsewhere? I know, they can go work in the toxic waste industry (http://gantdaily.com/2012/03/19/environmentalists-concerned-over-electronic-waste-in-bangladesh/).

That's why the big retailers are there in the first place, NO WORKER SAFETY LAWS. What are those workers supposed to do if NOBODY gives a crap about their safety?

Form a union and demand it? Hmmmmm!!

Workers need all the union thugs they can get to overcome the profits before people corporate thugs.

But you don't mind those union thugs making a killing off their members backs in forced union dues, not to mention using those dues to also promote a political agenda many of those workers don't espouse, or just plain going around the country harassing innocent people. We don't need unions any more, Tal, this ain't the 1800s.

That's why the big retailers are there in the first place, NO WORKER SAFETY LAWS. What are those workers supposed to do if NOBODY gives a crap about their safety?

Form a union and demand it?? Hmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!

That isn't why they buy there, Tal. Nice spin but far from reality and as I hinted at before, you FAIL to acknowledge the millions of workers that can EAT because they have a job. Go ahead, unionize and nanny them and see what happens. I think it'd be an eye-opening experiment for you.

WRONG, as long as there are corporate thugs extracting wealth off the backs of workers, and writing laws for more corporate welfare, you will always need a union. You would love to bring back slavery wouldn't you?

That isn't why they buy there, Tal. Nice spin but far from reality and as I hinted at before, you FAIL to acknowledge the millions of workers that can EAT because they have a job. Go ahead, unionize and nanny them and see what happens. I think it'd be an eye-opening experiment for you.

Despite right wing talking points there is no such thing as the nanny state. Just victims of corporate greed.

You would love to bring back slavery wouldn't you?

That was totally uncivil, irresponsible, offensive and undeserved.

That was totally uncivil, irresponsible, offensive and undeserved.

Tom can defend himself.

There isn't a post by tom on this page thus far and your response is directed at my statement that "we don't need unions any more." Not cool, dude. Not cool at all.

Here was my last comment on this thred
What a suprise ! a union thug doesn't like that workers aren't filtered through his organization. Again , no one is saying an entry level job at Walmart is a career ..and even if the Vets decide to make working at Walmart their career ,they come into the job with a skill set that gives them an edge when advancement opportunities present themselves.
Is that the one that gives you the notion I want slavery here ?

Damn, you are right! My bad, its Tom who usually decries the "nanny" state. My comments were related to present day corporate slavery. :(

Hello tal:


its Tom who usually decries the "nanny" state. I wonder how they'll do with the Wiener nanny state?

Excon

here was my last comment on this thred
What a suprise ! a union thug doesn't like that workers aren't filtered through his organization. Again , no one is saying an entry level job at Walmart is a career ..and even if the Vets decide to make working at Walmart their career ,they come into the job with a skill set that gives them an edge when advancement opportunities present themselves.
Is that the one that gives you the notion I want slavery here ?

ID please :)

You have always advocated for capitalism, which is a fancy way to hide the fact it's corporate slavery.

ID please :)

You have always advocated for capitalism, which is a fancy way to hide the fact it's corporate slavery.

And that's a very jaded and inaccurate view of capitalism.

and that's a very jaded and inaccurate view of capitalism.

How many times have I said the business model is broken and capitalism has been corrupted?

Hello tal:

I wonder how they'll do with the Wiener nanny state?

excon

Yeah the poor people of NY have a heck of a choice... the candidate from the Clintoon machine ;or one of the candidates from Tammney Hall (forget the Republic.. he's not even on the radar... for anyone who cares ;his name is Joseph Lhota )

Hello again, tom:


yeah the poor people of NY have a heck of a choice.. Steve has a couple rooms. Then you'd have Rick Perry and Louie Gohmert.. Ya, hee!

Excon

Hello again, tom:

Steve has a couple rooms. Then you'd have Rick Perry and Louie Gohmert.. Ya, hee!

excon

And a good economy and freedom.

Hello again, tom:

Steve has a couple rooms. Then you'd have Rick Perry and Louie Gohmert.. Ya, hee!

excon

Or I could move to New Jersey and watch the Dumbo and Jumbo act.

Hello again, Steve:


and freedom.I LOVE the way right wingers talk about freedom. You're free UNLESS you're on their list. Freedom for thee, but NOT for me ISN'T freedom. It's a right wing perversion of the word.

To wit: if I tried to express some my "freedom" in YOUR state, I'd be charged with a felony. That AIN'T freedom. You should be ashamed that a lefty has to lecture you about freedom.

Excon

And while arguing there is no violation of equal protection for everyone targeted by the IRS... you fell right in that one.

I don't know why this is so difficult to understand . The highest levels of the IRS have already admitted what they did. An IG audit confirmed it . The only thing left to discover is how deep into the White House this goes.

They have also confirmed it wasn't politically motivated targeting, so why is that FACT from the IG not important?

That's supposed to make it better ? That they intentionally denied them equal treatment because of the political positions they take ? What is this ? Cuba ?

So just give it to them without verification or investigation. I guess you are entitled to a loophole huh?

They have also confirmed it wasn't politically motivated targeting, so why is that FACT from the IG not important?

I must have missed that confirmation, it was bureaucratese in blaming "ineffective management" which does not preclude a political aspect.

So just give it to them without verification or investigation. I guess you are entitled to a loophole huh?

This was not an investigation or an attempt at verification. In most of these cases ,the very delay was the equivalent of a denial . Some are still waiting for their approval . Some withdrew their application.
Mission accomplished . For political reasons the Obots were able the deny their status during the 2012 campaign season. At the same time the word went out that the Tea Party had lost it's steam. Well yeah... a government agency ;for political considerations took the steam right out of the movement .

Sorry audit was the better term.

Inappropriate Criteria Were Used to Identify Tax-Exempt Applications for Review (http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201310053fr.html)


All of these officials stated that the criteria were not influenced by any individual or organization outside the IRS. Instead, the Determinations Unit developed and implemented inappropriate criteria in part due to insufficient oversight provided by management. Specifically, only first-line management approved references to the Tea Party in the BOLO listing criteria before it was implemented. As a result, inappropriate criteria remained in place for more than 18 months. Determinations Unit employees also did not consider the public perception of using politically sensitive criteria when identifying these cases. Lastly, the criteria developed showed a lack of knowledge in the Determinations Unit of what activities are allowed by I.R.C. § 501(c)(3) and I.R.C. § 501(c)(4) organizations.

I watched it live on CSpan. The IG was asked about political motivation and connection, by the congress, and he said he found none and its on record.

It's come to light that Terry McAuliffe, former DNC chair, man who abandoned his wife while she was in labor to attend a party, left her and his newborn in the car on the way home from the hospital to attend a fundraiser, the guy who makes sure the little woman has plenty of credit cards to go shopping, the Democrat that wants to run Virginia - has the ultimate blame Bush story.


In a May 2001 interview with C-SPAN, titled the “Life and Career of Terry McAuliffe,” the former Democratic National Committee chairman says one of the “reasons” his father, Jack, died was “he could not go into a new year knowing that a Republican was actually moving into the White House.”

While his father was in the hospital, McAuliffe’s mother “went and came back in five minutes later, and he had passed away. And I told the story, you know, I gave at the eulogy at his funeral, and there are many reasons why people thought Jack had died,” McAuliffe told C-SPAN. “He was 83 years old. And I said the main reason is that he could not go into a new year knowing that a Republican was actually moving into the White House. I just don’t think he could’ve handled that.”

“He had eight great years,” McAullife continued. “President Clinton and First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton were so nice to my mother and father, they’d come down all the time. So he had a great eight years when President Clinton and Vice President Gore were in office, and he just wasn’t going into a new year with a Democrat not being in the White House Steve, he just couldn’t handle it.”

Yes folks, Bush killed his dad (http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/terry-mcauliffe-blamed-bush-election-for-his-fathers-death).

Totally unaware of the irony in being the absolute worse state in personal and economic freedom partly due to having the highest taxes in the nation, Gov. Cuomo is announcing "tax-free zones" to spur growth. (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3477651-post135.html)


New York has worked to develop a technology industry centred around its universities, including creating a $50m venture capital fund to invest in new companies. The tax-free initiative would help keep those businesses in the state, Mr Cuomo said, adding that as many as three-quarters of tech start-ups leave within a year.

“If you just reduced the loss of jobs, that would be a home run. We create start-up businesses. Right now we just can’t keep them,” Mr Cuomo told the Financial Times. “They get their legs under them, so to speak, then they leave for a lower-tax environment.”

You don't say.

Texas Gov. Perry signs 'Merry Christmas' bill into law | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/14/perry-signs-merry-christmas-bill-into-law/)

Hello Steve:

It removes legal risks of saying "Merry Christmas" in schoolsWow. I knew you couldn't smoke a joint there, but I didn't know there were laws against saying Merry Christmas.

He forgot to outlaw Sharia law too.

However, all this religious rumbling won't change the Constitution.. So, there will be NO Christmas play at PS 24 in Podunk, Tx.

I thought right wingers LOVED the Constitution. No, huh?

Excon

Sharia is already outlawed, no?

Hello again, Steve:


Sharia is already outlawed, no?The Constitution takes care of that. We have our OWN system of laws.

But, I didn't know saying Merry Christmas was. Do you have a link? Or was Perry grandstanding?

Excon

I think that was the point, the constitution protects a right to say Merry Christmas, but that doesn't stop fools from trying to ban it.

It removes legal risks of saying "Merry Christmas" in schools while also protecting traditional holiday symbols, such as a menorah or nativity scene, so long as more than one religion and a secular symbol are also reflected.

Perry is always grandstanding though. The courts already upheld in Texas the freedom of speech by students.

Yes Gov. Goodhair is a lot like Obama in that regard, but it wasn't his bill - it was a bipartisan effort, FYI.

Like NY, the UK is trying a novel idea to attract business.

We'll cut taxes so companies move to Britain, says David Cameron - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/consumertips/tax/10122005/Well-cut-taxes-so-companies-move-to-Britain-says-David-Cameron.html)

American corporation got a huge tax break and used it to run for cheap labor. Good luck Brits.

Started hearing his new ads aimed at NY businesses this week.

Rick Perry suggests Big Apple bites in radio ad aimed at luring New York jobs to Texas | Trail Blazers Blog (http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2013/06/rick-perry-suggests-the-big-apple-bites-in-radio-ad.html/)
He's right .

He's wrong,

BOR: Rick Perry Vetoes Texas Lilly Ledbetter Act, Putting Pay Discrimination Ahead Of Texas Families (http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/13654/rick-perry-vetoes-texas-lilly-ledbetter-act-putting-pay-discrimination-ahead-of-texas-families)

Like NY, the UK is trying a novel idea to attract business.

We'll cut taxes so companies move to Britain, says David Cameron - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/consumertips/tax/10122005/Well-cut-taxes-so-companies-move-to-Britain-says-David-Cameron.html)

Yes cut corporate tax to the bone and watch them run to you but it won't help employment unless you cut wages to the bone too, oh I forgot you already did that, how's that working out for you

For Texas it's working out fine.
Texas Cities Lead The Nation In Growth, Jobs | Texas Monthly (http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/texas-cities-lead-nation-growth-jobs)

So the slave economy is back in vogue, now that is a surprise

Slave economy?? Nahh it's called opportunity

Oh yes I expected you would try to spin it, but cheap labour is just slavery by any name. What do the hispanics flock to Teexxaass if not to take the low paid jobs americans won't do. I expect it beats doing the same thing back home in Mexico, no drug cartels at least none that are obvious

California and NY call it poaching.

Oh yes I expected you would try to spin it, but cheap labour is just slavery by any name. What do the hispanics flock to Teexxaass if not to take the low paid jobs americans won't do. I expect it beats doing the same thing back home in Mexico, no drug cartels at least none that are obvious

You guys are clueless. Those Hispanics are my neighbors and they're entrepreneurs, they know how to take advsntage if opportunity.

California and NY call it poaching.

They reap what they sow. Leave it to libs to pout when people reject their schemes and move to more opportunistic confines.

Oh get off it, the great migration for jobs and opportunities has been going on since we became a nation. This is no different as the rust belt factories have been closing over the last few decades.

Where did you think those folks would go?

Those that can move those who can't?

Where did you think those folks would go? ummm ;to the places that encourage job creation ?

those that can move those who can't? there is no chains keeping people in one location. Mobility has indeed been a halmark of our nation. That is the problem with a large central top down planned economy . When Washington makes decisions, there is no place to move .

It isn't the fault of government they don't determine where industry sets up or when they move. I know it to be an american capitalist strategy to shutdown plants and move after a few years to keep unions under control and minimise labour costs. A totally cynical attitude towards workers. People who don't have much aren't mobile it costs a lot to move hundreds of miles away, I know, I have done it, but I was fortunate, some aren't.

You speak ast though you have a planned economy over there, you don't. What you have is a boondoggle

It isn't the fault of government they don't determine where industry sets up or when they move. I know it to be an american capitalist strategy to shutdown plants and move after a few years to keep unions under control and minimise labour costs. A totally cynical attitude towards workers. People who don't have much arn't mobile it costs a lot to move hundreds of miles away, I know, I have done it, but I was fortunate, some arn't.

you speak ast though you have a planned economy over there, you don't. what you have is a boondoggle

No I don't... I have rejected a planned economy on many occasions here. Mobility and creative destruction are key components of a free economy and nation. Let industry compete ;let workers compete ;let states compete .

I have only one answer to your contention Bullshlt, Bullshlt, Bullshlt!!

no I don't ... I have rejected a planned economy on many occasions here. Mobility and creative destruction are key components of a free economy and nation. Let industry compete ;let workers compete ;let states compete .

Sounds good but reality is not agreeing with you because that's NOT the practice of business at all. The big eats the small for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Sounds good but reality is not agreeing with you because that's NOT the practice of business at all. The big eats the small for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Numbers are hard (http://www.census.gov/econ/smallbus.html) aren't they?


“Small Businesses Are the Backbone of Our Economy and the Cornerstones of Our Communities” (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/08/17/small-businesses-are-backbone-our-economy-and-cornerstones-our-communities)

Your numbers are incomplete, as there is no data to compare them to like age, family size, or wages and industry. Big difference between a consulting firm or law office and a family fruit stand. Which do you think has more leverage or capital or borrowing power to get started?

Define your terms of small business. You can sell dresses over the net, but don't try that with fresh fruit from the kitchen table. Logistics alone is a helluva obstacle. It take money for those kinds of supports. Indeed don't many small businesses grow with investments from the rich class? Or does the mom and pop grocery store have to sell gas too to survive competition from Kroger?

You leave a lot out of your numbers.

Hello again,

Talk about mobilization, China has lots and LOTS of empty cities (http://www.businessinsider.com/china-ghost-cities-2011-11?op=1). Now, they're moving 250 MILLION peasants (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/world/asia/chinas-great-uprooting-moving-250-million-into-cities.html) into them.

I wonder how that's going to work out.

excon

Numbers are hard aren't they?


“Small Businesses Are the Backbone of Our Economy and the Cornerstones of Our Communities”Because the government protects small businesses from unfair business practices; anti-trust laws for example.

Your numbers are incomplete, as their is no data to compare them to like age, family size, or wages and industry. Big difference between a consulting firm or law office and a family fruit stand. Which do you think has more leverage or capital or borrowing power to get started?

Define your terms of small business. You can sell dresses over the net, but don't try that with fresh fruit from the kitchen table. Logistics alone is a helluva obstacle. It take money for those kinds of supports. Indeed don't many small businesses grow with investments from the rich class? Or does the mom and pop grocery store have to sell gas too to survive competition from Kroger?

You leave a lot out of your numbers.

Dude, it was as comprehensive as your claim, "The big eats the small for breakfast, lunch, and dinner." The numbers say there is plenty still going on in small business, but certainly the Democrat regime has worked overtime to hamstring small business while expanding their own corporate cronyism.

Ideology has little to do with the broken business model.

It's come to this, Democrats urging strikes on middle eastern country run by a dictator over suspected WMD's (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-18/pentagon-shoots-down-kerry-s-syria-airstrike-plan.html)...


Twenty years ago, in a debate over the war in Bosnia, Madeleine Albright, then the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, issued a challenge to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Colin Powell. Albright wanted the U.S. to confront an aggressive Serbia; Powell and the Pentagon were hesitant. Albright grew frustrated: “What’s the point of having this superb military that you’re always talking about if we can’t use it?” Albright asked. Powell later said that he thought Albright was going to give him an aneurysm.

Flash-forward to this past Wednesday. At a principals meeting in the White House situation room, Secretary of State John Kerry began arguing, vociferously, for immediate U.S. airstrikes against airfields under the control of Bashar al-Assad’s Syrian regime -- specifically, those fields it has used to launch chemical weapons raids against rebel forces.

... while Republicans are urging caution against a reckless intervention

My how times change.

“What’s the point of having this superb military that you’re always talking about if we can’t use it?” Albright asked. Uh, the military is for defense maybe?

Anyway it's only Kerry, not the Democrats:

Pentagon Shoots Down Kerry’s Syria Airstrike Plan.

As we know now, the Pentagon’s position is in sync with President Barack Obama’s

Uh, the military is for defense maybe?

Anyway it's only Kerry, not the Democrats:

Still challenged by irony and the many facets of the English language I see.

Nah, caught you misrepresenting stuff again.

I take the Palin position.
Sarah Palin Syria Comment On Syria 'Let Allah Sort It Out' - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvm0zdiIr-4)

I agree tom!

Too bad the emperor don't listen to Palin instead of Clintoon... who called the emperor a wuss.
Bill Clinton cautions Obama: Beware looking like a 'total wuss' and 'total fool' (http://news.yahoo.com/bill-clinton-cautions-obama-beware-looking-total-wuss-111000924.html)

I take the Palin position.
Sarah Palin Syria Comment On Syria 'Let Allah Sort It Out' - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvm0zdiIr-4)

Yes Tom for once sound advice from that source

There has been too much interference in the affairs of the middle east in the past, the Arabs are big enough as a people and a culture to sort it out, even if their methods aren't what we would employ

So how do we get the Russians out?

So how do we get the Russians out?

The Russians are supplying a traditional market, and they have a naval base in Syria they are not fighting there, destabilisation of the region doesn't serve their interests either. We need to be far more concerned by the actions of Iran because they are involved on a religious/sectarian basis, we should really ask what is behind american backing of the rebels, is it just to gain advantage over Russia. It's hard to know; is the rebellion an arab spring thing or is it just sectarian violence? The sunni/shiia divide

The Russians are supplying a traditional market, and they have a naval base in Syria they are not fighting there, destabilisation of the region doesn't serve their interests either. We need to be far more concerned by the actions of Iran because they are involved on a religious/sectarian basis, we should really ask what is behind american backing of the rebels, is it just to gain advantage over Russia. It's hard to know; is the rebellion an arab spring thing or is it just sectarian violence? the sunni/shiia divide

Yes there is no real logic behind it . But JF Kerry was evidently quite hawkish about it in a meeting with the emperor . The military doesn't want anything to do with it.

yes Tom for once sound advice from that source

There has been too much interference in the affairs of the middle east in the past, the Arabs are big enough as a people and a culture to sort it out, even if their methods aren't what we would employ

My one thought in this is the question of American interest... and although there clearly is an American interest in the outcome ; I don't see any good one because the rebel coalition is dominated by jihadists.

my one thought in this is the question of American interest .... and although there clearly is an American interest in the outcome ; I don't see any good one because the rebel coalition is dominated by jihadists.

Tom I am with you in this there is no american interest and this is why your government hasn't got involved. There is talk of the use of Gas, Gas is no different to guns, excepting it might affect the civilian population and no one wants to go back to WWI.

This is one of these conflicts where the lines are blurred, who is civilian? who is combatant? who is foreign? I suspect those who don't want to be involved have left, 1.6 million of them and now Hezbollah, a terrorist organisation, is involved. Is this why Obama wants to arm the rebels? This is a Muslim conflict and non-muslims would do well to stay out of it. As Putin says and I paraphrase, do you want to support zombie flesh eaters?

Nah, caught you misrepresenting stuff again.

Uh no, you're so obsessed with me you don't care to check the facts beofre making yourself look stupid.


The people who brought you the war in Iraq (and the 2008 surge) are trying their best to start one in Syria, too. Not that there isn’t already violence in Syria, where a civil war in raging. So far, however, President Obama has refrained from escalating the conflict by providing arms, especially heavy weapons and missiles, to the rebels. But the hawks, neoconservatives and right-wing military types are demanding war. Unfortunately, a heck of a lot of Democrats are joining the war cries, too.

Writing in The Wall Street Journal, two über-hawks—Danielle Pletka of the American Enterprise Institute and General Jack Keane—call for outright bombing of Syria, targeting its airfields.


A cleaner and more decisive option is to strike Syrian aircraft and the regime’s key airfields through which Iranian and Russian weapons are flowing to government forces. If American forces use standoff cruise missiles and B-2 stealth bombers for these strikes, they will be out of the enemy’s reach.

The airfields are Assad’s lifeline of support from Iran and Russia, and without them he’s in real trouble. Syria’s air force will be severely degraded if the U.S. pursues this option, but Syrian planes won’t be entirely grounded because airfields can be repaired. As a result, these operations would need to be sustained for a period of time to preclude repairs.


Read more: Neocons, Hill Democrats Push for War Against Syria | The Nation Neocons, Hill Democrats Push for War Against Syria | The Nation (http://www.thenation.com/blog/174514/neocons-hill-democrats-push-war-against-syria#ixzz2WfQMAsJY)

I rest my case.

You may want to take the meds concerning the "obsession". You're just easy pickings because you post the worst stuff here.

The two people you mentioned that want to do a military strike are both ultra-conservative. Jack Keane works both for the " Institute for the Study of War" and is a national security analyst for Fox News, board member of AEI and a board member of several military/defense corporations. Pletka is a VP at AEI, a neoconservative "think tank". AEI is mainly funded by ExxonMobil.

But as we know the Pentagon’s position is in sync with President Barack Obama’s. People can speak their minds, no?

Most of the Clintonistas are in favor of intervention ;including Bubba himself ,and Former Defense Secretary William Perry . Clintoon told the emperor that he is in danger of looking like a wuss if he doesn't . Former Obots Ann-Marie Slaughter,former head of the State Department's policy planning office also favors direct intervention. Sens. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) and Carl Levin (D-Mich.) both wrote a letter with John McCain and goober Lindsay Graham giving the emperor their support for intervention.

Even if I agreed with the policy ,I'd say the Emperor is late to the game. His so called 'red line ' was breached weeks ago (not that he has any real confirmation that Assad's forces used sarin... it could just as easily been the jihadists ) .He is now considering this move because it's a 'wag the dog ' diversion from all his domestic scandals.. . maybe he can find an aspirin factory to bomb .

Clintonistas, Bubba, Clintoon, Obots, goober, emperor.. tough to follow your discussion sometimes.

You may want to take the meds concerning the "obsession". You're just easy pickings because you post the worst stuff here.

Guess you've never paid attention to your own bullsh*t.


The two people you mentioned that want to do a military strike are both ultra-conservative. Jack Keane works both for the " Institute for the Study of War" and is a national security analyst for Fox News, board member of AEI and a board member of several military/defense corporations. Pletka is a VP at AEI, a neoconservative "think tank". AEI is mainly funded by ExxonMobil.

But as we know the Pentagon’s position is in sync with President Barack Obama’s. People can speak their minds, no?


You must be really fun at parties.

I guess getting past the headline - from the magaizine that calls itself "the flagship of the left" was too much for you. Which part of this is too difficult to understand?


Neocons, Hill Democrats Push for War Against Syria

Unfortunately, a heck of a lot of Democrats are joining the war cries, too.

In a very worrying development, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, including most of its Democratic members, are trying to pass legislation to force Obama’s hand on Syria. It’s not likely that the legislative strategy will work, but it’s ugly. Key Democrats, such as Senators Robert Menendez and Bob Casey, are yelping about war against Syria.

Do you need a lesson in grammar as well?

Whatever "sync" you refer to is irrelevant to the comment I made but your creepy obsession with me precludes the possibility of you acting rationally.

Hello again,

To me, since we've been rope-a-doped into fighting TWO absolutely UNNEEDED, and BRUTAL wars, we wouldn't recognize a NEEDED war if it bonked us on the head.

excon

Geez Steve, you mad bro?

What happened to you resting your case? Another lie? Hehe. You're so obsessed with me.

Hello again,

To me, since we've been rope-a-doped into fighting TWO absolutely UNNEEDED, and BRUTAL wars, we wouldn't recognize a NEEDED war if it bonked us on the head.

excon

Yeah, you should be content with waging your war on women.

Clintonistas, Bubba, Clintoon, Obots, goober, emperor..tough to follow your discussion sometimes.

The funny thing is I don't care if you can ,

Oh I know, your posts are mainly for your conservative buddies - the echo chamber if you will.

Yeah, you should be content with waging your war on women.Hello again, Steve:

You say this as congress is debating an abortion bill that has exceptions for rape or incest ONLY IF it's been reported to the police.. The underlying notion, is that women would LIE to get an abortion.

If that's not warring on Americas women, I don't know what is.

Excon

Hello again, Steve:

You say this as congress is debating an abortion bill that has exceptions for rape or incest ONLY IF it's been reported to the police.. The underlying notion, is that women would LIE to get an abortion.

If that's not warring on Americas women, I dunno what is.

excon

As usual you still have it wrong, it's a war for the lives of children.

Not an accurate depiction. The law passed by the House yesterday would limit abortions after 20 weeks to women who have reported a rape to the authorities. The law is intended to restrict late term abortions. Originally the bill had no exceptions ;so if anything ,it's a concession.

Hello again, tom:

I don't believe I misquoted the law at all. It has an exception for rape as long as it's been reported to the cops...

The ONLY reasoning for that requirement is because right wingers THINK women would LIE to get an abortion.

Or, it COULD be, as Marcia Blackburn explains, (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/paul-bremmer/2013/06/18/msnbcs-craig-melvin-slams-pro-life-congresswoman-over-abortion-bill) the cops need to catch these rapists and pedophiles, and if women won't HELP the cops do that, they should suffer the consequences..

No matter HOW you look at it, it's an assault upon the female gender.

excon

You guys can rationalize this as a war on women all you want but you know this is battle for the rights of children, and one would think after Gosnell you would be on board with protecting women, too instead of funneling them to butchers.

You really think that there should be abortions after 20 weeks ? That's the issue. I guess that legal and rare argument can go out the window. Fact is that there should be a ban on abortions after 20 weeks ; NO EXCEPTIONS... except rape or if the mother is in danger... and if a women claims there has been a rape then she ought to be able to provide proof . I guess all those images of those butcheries had no impact ?

But don't you worry . The Dems who love late term abortions will never pass it in the Senate.. and if they did ,the emperor who thinks babies should be wacked after failed abortion attempts would veto it.

Hello again, Steve


instead of funneling them to butchers.If Roe is overturned, it's YOU who's funneling women to the butchers..

You don't think abortion is going to STOP, do you? Well, maybe you do. You certainly thought making drugs illegal would stop 'em...

Excon

Hello again, Steve

If Roe is overturned, it's YOU who's funneling women to the butchers..

You don't think abortion is gonna STOP, do you?? Well, maybe you do. You certainly thought making drugs illegal would stop 'em...

excon

So, since 20 weeks is too long what's your compromise, ever?

Hello again, wingers:

To me, the issue is NOT 20 weeks, and you know it. It's the right wing BELIEF, embodied in the law, that women would LIE about being raped in order to get an abortion... If that's NOT warring on women, please tell me what is. To believe that women, across the board, would LIE about ANYTHING, doesn't go unnoticed by America's women...

By NOT addressing this point; by DEFLECTING from it, I suspect you're as embarrassed about it as you SHOULD be.

THAT'S the war on women...

excon

Hello again, wingers:

To me, the issue is NOT 20 weeks, and you know it. It's the right wing BELIEF, embodied in the law, that women would LIE about being raped in order to get an abortion... If that's NOT warring on women, please tell me what is. To believe that women, across the board, would LIE about ANYTHING, doesn't go unnoticed by America's women...

By NOT addressing this point; by DEFLECTING from it, I suspect you're as embarrassed about it as you SHOULD be.

THAT'S the war on women...

excon

Cite the relevant section.

Cite the relevant section.
not an accurate depiction. The law passed by the House yesterday would limit abortions after 20 weeks to women who have reported a rape to the authorities. Hello again, Steve:

If I'm lying, so is tom.. Ask HIM to cite where he got his information from.. That's HIS quote above. I've got more important things to address..

Many liberals use excuses to justify 20 weeks, or 10 weeks, or 35 weeks... Or they say the ovum is just a blob of cells... Or they say it can't feel pain until x time... To me, that's all justification...

I believe life starts at conception... Every abortion results in death for somebody... Consequently, my position on abortion is NOT an easy one to come to. Nonetheless, when the rights of one person bump up against the rights of another, I choose the mother.

excon

No it isn't an embarrassment at all . What the left should be ashamed of is that they want abortions of a human at 20 weeks when medical science has determined that a baby is capable of feeling pain at 20 weeks as it it being torn apart limb by limb (as is the STANDARD procedure to extract a baby 20 weeks old) .

Since you made the claim it would be incumbent on you to furnish your source first.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia added the exceptions to Trent Franks' “Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act” (H.R. 1797) on Friday during a discussion with Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer of Maryland.

The Republican statutory change also requires that the rape or incest of a minor be reported to appropriate authorities, something the Democratic amendment did not require.

LifeSiteNews Mobile | GOP leadership adds rape, incest exceptions to 20-week abortion ban; House votes tomorrow (http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gop-leadership-adds-rape-incest-exceptions-to-20-week-abortion-ban-house-vo)

The final bill actually says nothing about a women reporting a rape... only if it's rape of a minor or incest.

Hello again, Steve:

Marcia Blackburn (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/paul-bremmer/2013/06/18/msnbcs-craig-melvin-slams-pro-life-congresswoman-over-abortion-bill)

excon

PS> (edited) The above video doesn't speak about the REQUIREMENT to report rape.. THIS one does. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/18/1217059/-Non-sequitor-alert-Top-House-Republican-says-GOP-abortion-ban-bill-aimed-at-putting-rapists-in-jail) It's a left wing site, but the video is REAL.. She says, exactly what I said she said.. A woman needs to report a rape so the cops can catch the rapist. If she doesn't, then she's going to have to bare the rapist's child..

Again, the underlying assumption is, that if a woman didn't REPORT the rape to the cops, it DIDN'T happen and she's LYING to get an abortion... It's that, or the cops NEED her uterus to go after rapists..

196 idiots voted against a bill that protects a baby that feels the pain and agony of being murdered by being torn apart in the womb. Bottom line... if you support abortion in the 3rd trimester then you oppose this bill .
Text of the bill is here :
http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20130617/CPRT-113-HPRT-RU00-HR1797_xml.pdf

The exception is there... boohoo if it's a burden to report a rape prior to a late term abortion.. They had 20 weeks to get it done before the deadline.

196 idiots voted against a bill that protects a baby that feels the pain and agony of being murdered by being torn apart in the womb. Bottom line ... if you support abortion in the 3rd trimester then you oppose this bill .
text of the bill is here :
http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20130617/CPRT-113-HPRT-RU00-HR1797_xml.pdf

The exception is there ... boohoo if it's a burden to report a rape prior to a late term abortion.. They had 20 weeks to get it done before the deadline.

And why aren't libs concerned that so many women allegedly won't report a rape and get the rapist off the streets? They want them free to rape again?

And why aren't libs concerned that so many women allegedly won't report a rape and get the rapist off the streets?Hello again, Steve:

Given that most women who report rape are re-victimized by the system, I'd just as soon they catch the rapist another way. Certainly, if the rapist is caught, and a trial ensues, her entire sexual history is open for the world to review.. Who'd want to go through that?

What if she'd been drinking, and wearing sexy clothes?? You know what would happen to her, don't you? The system DOESN'T support women who report rape. If you DON'T know this, I'd wonder what planet you've been living on.

Excon

So what is it you're saying about most women, or are you saying times haven't changed any? If you don't realize the sensitivity with which rape victims are treated now and the associated stigmas you ought to catch up.

Maybe it has but making them report it isn't the way to go. They simply don't trust your sensitivity, and why should they? Rape kits are kept and lost for years. Most of them untested.

A free morning after pill and follow up short and long term support with respect to privacy is the way to go and how about the husband or boyfriend? They get traumatized too you know, so even if she reports it she still has to face family and friends and to be clear after such humiliation a victim of a criminal, most females DON"T want to face anyone let alone a loved on.

So rape is legit only if its reported is the STUPIDEST thing the right has come up with yet. STUPID and damn cruel.

I have always been personally against abortions, that's my choice, and YOURS is YOUR business not mine, so all you "save the children types" put your time and money where your mouth is, or be hypocrites.

I already know what your choice will be.

Maybe it has but making them report it isn't the way to go. They simply don't trust your sensitivity, and why should they? Rape kits are kept and lost for years. Most of them untested.

Tal, why should women trust the abortion absolutists and other Democrats? They INTENTIONALLY looked the other way with Gosnell, and refuse to support abortion clinic standards while regurgitating their "safe and rare" nonsense.


A free morning after pill and follow up short and long term support with respect to privacy is the way to go and how about the husband or boyfriend? They get traumatized too you know, so even if she reports it she still has to face family and friends and to be clear after such humiliation a victim of a criminal, most females DON'T want to face anyone let alone a loved on.

So you are OK with leaving rapists free to destroy more lives? Fortunately more and more women are disagreeing with that point of view, just pop a pill and hope he never comes back.


So rape is legit only if its reported is the STUPIDEST thing the right has come up with yet. STUPID and damn cruel.

I take it you didn't think about the last paragraph before you wrote it.


have always been personally against abortions, that's my choice, and YOURS is YOUR business not mine, so all you "save the children types" put your time and money where your mouth is, or be hypocrites.

I already know what your choice will be.

Do you really know where I "put my money" and what my choice will be?? Hmmm??

I'm certainly not ashamed of where I've "put my money" over the years, and at least it comes from me, I don't put someone else's "money" where I think it should be, or yammer on about women's health while refusing to ensure a safe environment for that "health care."

Quote:

Originally Posted by talaniman
Maybe it has but making them report it isn't the way to go. They simply don't trust your sensitivity, and why should they? Rape kits are kept and lost for years. Most of them untested.

Tal, why should women trust the abortion absolutists and other Democrats? They INTENTIONALLY looked the other way with Gosnell, and refuse to support abortion clinic standards while regurgitating their "safe and rare" nonsense.

Democrats AND Republicans blew Gosnell and it was a local issue that YOU guys didn't holler about either. And further like you voter ID crap, standards for clinics is not something you mandate for compliance in 30 days after springing it suddenly. Again, but another example of right wing knee jerk policy with no regard for implementation. Your agenda is obvious even though you hide it behind the thin veneer of fairness, safety or “principles”. Get real, we all can see thru your seek and destroy that which you don't like, and limit the rights of others is YOUR real goal.


Quote:
A free morning after pill and follow up short and long term support with respect to privacy is the way to go and how about the husband or boyfriend? They get traumatized too you know, so even if she reports it she still has to face family and friends and to be clear after such humiliation a victim of a criminal, most females DON'T want to face anyone let alone a loved on.

So you are ok with leaving rapists free to destroy more lives? Fortunately more and more women are disagreeing with that point of view, just pop a pill and hope he never comes back.

So you stand by the it's not legit unless it's reported? You mean you can't understand talking about it is the last thing most rape victims can do. What rights do the victims have, and more in important stop looking at Law&Order and expect to catch a rapist or any criminal in an hour after reporting. That's the flaw you ignore and fail to address collected untested evidence that goes forgotten for years of the ones that DID report their assaults.


Quote:
So rape is legit only if its reported is the STUPIDEST thing the right has come up with yet. STUPID and damn cruel.

I take it you didn't think about the last paragraph before you wrote it.

More thought than what you are asking of a victim.


Quote:
Have always been personally against abortions, that's my choice, and YOURS is YOUR business not mine, so all you "save the children types" put your time and money where your mouth is, or be hypocrites. I already know what your choice will be.

Do you really know where I "put my money" and what my choice will be???? Hmmm????

I'm certainly not ashamed of where I've "put my money" over the years, and at least it comes from me, I don't put someone else's "money" where I think it should be, or yammer on about women's health while refusing to ensure a safe environment for that "health care."

Good for you, too bad I can't say the same for house republicans. Go ahead and outlaw abortions while you cut food stamps and give cooperate farmers more welfare. See who trusts you going forward.

You really should exercise some restraint before yammering on, you have no clue about my experience and compassion for victims, and this stupid assumption about "legitimate rape."

Unlike libs I do try and find balance, there is a life besides the mother that deserves consideration, I cannot in good conscience disregard the child. But as is typical with your side, you wrongly interpret care for the child as disregard for the woman and I believe it's intentional and political, just like your delusion that government largesse is always the answer.

So what is it you're saying about most women, or are you saying times haven't changed any? Hello again, Steve:

Times HAVE changed for HALF of us.. The right wing, on the other hand, went the other way. Certainly if HALF of us (your half) believe that a women would LIE just to get an abortion, you'd certainly think she'd LIE to the cops about being raped...

I'm WILLING to change my position if you can EXPLAIN why the requirement to REPORT a rape before a woman can get an abortion, is IN the bill... If you tell me it's for law enforcement purposes, I'll snicker all day long, because we'll BOTH know it's crap.

Excon

Yes I think they would lie about a rape if they found out that the only way to get an abortion after 20 weeks is if there had been a rape or incest ,or if taking the pregnancy to term would harm them . What I want to know is why would they wait for 20 weeks to make that determination ?
I don't like abortion at any point of the pregnancy.. but 20 weeks ,when a baby is fully formed ,is monsterous .

Just as incredulous is the idea that a woman horrified by the thought of bearing the rapist's baby would wait 5 months to get an abortion.

yes I think they would lie about a rape... What I want to know is why would they wait for 20 weeks to make that determination ?
Just as incredulous is the idea that a woman horrified by the thought of bearing the rapist's baby would wait 5 months to get an abortion.Hello again, wingers:

I don't know why she'd wait. I don't think she would. But, THAT isn't the issue at hand.. It's that you BELIEVE she'd lie.

THAT is an affront TO every single female in the nation.

Excon

Without proof why even bother having that provision ? But that's the point isn't it ? The left wants no restrictions to 3rd trimester baby wacking

Hello again, wingers:

The left wants no restrictions to 3rd trimester baby wackingI'm an either/or kind of guy. During the period when a woman can legally get an abortion (whatever it is), I'm FOR absolutely UNRESTRICTED access.. Why not? It's LEGAL, after all.

After that time, however, I'm for restricting access ABSOLUTELY. Why not? It's ILLEGAL, after all..

Excon

without proof why even bother having that provision ?Hello again, tom:

My point exactly.

Excon

Moving on...

If you recall, wind farms can be quite hazardous to birds with a number of bald eagles biting the bullet - without repercussion from the government. Well, don't try and save one...


Man Rescues Bald Eagle, Could Face Jail Time

An Indiana man was charged this week with the unlawful possession of a bald eagle, which the man says he cared for and rescued from the mud pit in which it was trapped. The former Department of Natural Resources employee, Jeffrey Henry, could face up to 60 days of jail time and a $500 fine as part of the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act, Yahoo reports:


As reported by WISH News 8, Henry had the bird in his home for 11 hours after several weeks of caring for the sick animal in the wild. The outdoorsman told the station that he noticed the bird a few weeks ago when he was hunting for mushrooms in Putnam County. The eagle was unable to fly, stuck in mud, and hungry, so he fed it fish eventually two times a day. When campers on four-wheelers arrived in the area, Henry suspected the grounded eagle would be in danger.

He said, “I took him a fish out there and as we was leaving, the bird starting following me, and continued to follow me, there’s no way to actually chase him off because he’d turn around and run right back to me. So I put the bird up on my arm and we got in the truck and took him to the house.” Having previously worked for the DNR, Henry knew he was breaking the law saying, “I’m probably going to be in a little bit of trouble, which I understand.” Though Henry believes he made the right choice adding, “I chose to take the punishment over the welfare of the bird.”

Henry said he planned to take the bird, which he named Freedom, to the Indianapolis Zoo.

Eagles and other raptor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Wjsh0TeOg)s have faced difficult times under the Obama administration, as clean-energy subsidies fuel wind turbines that can decapitate and injure the birds (http://freebeacon.com/mean-green-killing-machines/).

He violated that act. Why he did it has little bearing.

Hello again, wingers:
I'm an either/or kinda guy. During the period of time when a woman can legally get an abortion (whatever it is), I'm FOR absolutely UNRESTRICTED access.. Why not? It's LEGAL, after all.

After that time, however, I'm for restricting access ABSOLUTELY. Why not? It's ILLEGAL, after all..

excon

OK then take away the exceptions... NO abortions after 20 weeks... Does that make it more women friendly ?

Hello again, tom:

You keep focusing on TIME. I don't KNOW when viability is these days, but WHATEVER it is, that's the time I support.

And, it IS more woman friendly.

excon

He violated that act. Why he did it has little bearing.

You do realize there is discretion on whether to file charges and a human being would opt not to punish someone for saving a life.

Hello again, tom:

You keep focusing on TIME. I don't KNOW when viability is these days, but WHATEVER it is, that's the time I support.

And, it IS more woman friendly.

excon

An exception for rape or incest or health of the mother is less women friendly.. OK .I get it .

Has anyone ever asked women why they wait so long to decide? Naw a bunch of guys just decided it was wrong and never address the very real issues. For that you have to get THEIR side of it. Too bad you don't trust them, or care to listen.

I know plenty of female prolifers are out there, like Marsha Blackburn who will put a female face on things but she never asked that important question either, nor explained it, so its not addressed and affects poor females and families disproportionately.

Has anyone ever asked women why they wait so long to decide? Naw a bunch of guys just decided it was wrong and never address the very real issues. For that you have to get THEIR side of it. Too bad you don't trust them, or care to listen.

I know plenty of female prolifers are out there, like Marsha Blackburn who will put a female face on things but she never asked that important question either, nor explained it, so its not addressed and affects poor females and families disproportionately.

Do you want the exception or not (?) is the issue . If you make a specific exception why would you not require proof ? It doesn't make sense . What you have here is a cheap talking point by the Dems who's real goal was to have no restrictions . They want to legally wack a baby up until the moment of delivery . Stop the bs. I know from the debate on the bill exactly what the issue was.

The bill is cruel, stupid, and dead in the water. The real issue is why females wait so long to handle their business. That's why we go in circles here all the time because you righty's refuse to address the real issues and I trust what my friend J_9 has been saying all along, identify and confirm pregnancy 2 weeks after a missed period, and then talk to HER physician. That's 6 weeks by my recollection, so forget me going along with the righty written house bill in any form.

Let get to the heart of the matter and that's the informed choices based in science to PREVENT pregnancy from even getting that far along with no decision. Or a bad one made in fear or desperation. Redefining rape to be legitimate or not depending on it being reported to authorities is offensive so I continue to reject the notion a female has to prove she was raped in the first place.

That's a small percentage of the pregnancies any way, so lets get back to the real issue of a proper education and knowing when you missed that first period, and the ways to handle it.

And how the hell can you make such a provision without knowing and examining the root causes of a delayed decision?

No that is not the real issue . It's a diversion . If you want to get rid of the butcheries that disguise themselves as health clinics then the barbaric practice of 3rd trimester abortions has to end. The exception is one of those " compromises/concessions " that our side makes and your side never seems to do.

no that is not the real issue . It's a diversion . If you want to get rid of the butcheries that disguise themselves as health clinics then the barbaric practice of 3rd trimester abortions has to end. The exception is one of those " compromises/concessions " that our side makes and your side never seems to do.

Wait, wasn't it Tal that said we have no middle ground?

Hagel Asks Indian Professor if He's Member of the Taliban (http://freebeacon.com/hagel-asks-indian-professor-if-hes-member-of-the-taliban/)

Hello Steve:

Yeah, he stepped in that one, didn't he?

Kind of like Bush trying to grab Merkel's tit.

excon

Hagel must be a Biden clone .

no that is not the real issue . It's a diversion . If you want to get rid of the butcheries that disguise themselves as health clinics then the barbaric practice of 3rd trimester abortions has to end. The exception is one of those " compromises/concessions " that our side makes and your side never seems to do.

My solution is to NEVER NEED an abortion, not even at 20 weeks. Yours is to let it go until its too late and the hollering starts. We have the science and technology. We just don't use it properly to be effective.

No mine is also to not " need " an abortion . But the solution to that isn't how many sundry items or prescription drugs you can dispense.

That should be up to a doctor NOT a lawmaker with no scientific training or background. Or one that doesn't even believe in science or fears his right flank. I mean a pill the next day to save YEARS of frustration and expense and CONFLICTS is not a sundry item in my book. Nor is going to a private physician in a clean clinical setting at 6 weeks.

Admittedly there is no quick fix, but subjecting the debate to one set of principles, beliefs, or ideology is not conducive to changing bad conditions or situations. Now if you had said a victim should seek immediate care and support and follow through then you may have me hooked so define 'reported' so its palatable to those NOT on the far right.

Maybe your presentation and implementation scares the hell out of people. FEAR is the distraction. I know women who have been traumatized by rape for years, and were not even pregnant.

That should be up to a doctor NOT a lawmaker with no scientific training or background. Like Kathleen Sebilius or the emperor ?

That should be up to a doctor NOT a lawmaker with no scientific training or background. Or one that doesn't even believe in science or fears his right flank. I mean a pill the next day to save YEARS of frustration and expense and CONFLICTS is not a sundry item in my book. Nor is going to a private physician in a clean clinical setting at 6 weeks.

Admittedly there is no quick fix, but subjecting the debate to one set of principles, beliefs, or idealogy is not conducive to changing bad conditions or situations. Now if you had said a victim should seek immediate care and support and follow thru then you may have me hooked so define 'reported' so its palatable to those NOT on the far right.

Maybe your presentation and implementation scares the hell out of people. FEAR is the distraction. I know women who have been traumatized by rape for years, and were not even pregnant.

Did you know that many of those enlightened European countries like Italy, have a limit of 12 weeks with the usual exceptions, and that more and more doctors are refusing to perform abortions at all for conscience' sake? I bet that number continues to rise thanks to Gosnell.

This country has some of the most permissive abortion laws in the world and with every post it's becoming more and more clear your middle ground means adopting your position.

Since Daniel Snyder has indicated he intends to never change the name of his team it's come to this...

Dear Editors: Ban Redkins (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/21/dear-editors-ban-redskins.html)

NFL needs to just designate a name change for one of the teams to 'Pale Faces'

NFL needs to just designate a name change for one of the teams to 'Pale Faces'

Lol, I think the Jets could use a makeover.

Woody Johnson is such a media whore ;and runs his team like a circus... I'm sure that change is right up his alley .

It's come to this...

Mick Jagger Tells DC Concert Crowd: 'I Don't Think Obama Is Here But I'm Sure He's Listening In' (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/06/24/mick-jagger-during-concert-i-dont-think-president-obama-here-im-sure#ixzz2XFJV1zry)

Word is Obama was booed heartily when his name was mentioned. When you've lost the stoner crowd...

P.S. I didn't know Mick was a "closet conservative."

Hello again, Steve:

Nobody likes being lied to.

excon

It's come to this....

Mick Jagger Tells DC Concert Crowd: 'I Don't Think Obama Is Here But I'm Sure He's Listening In' (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/06/24/mick-jagger-during-concert-i-dont-think-president-obama-here-im-sure#ixzz2XFJV1zry)

Word is Obama was booed heartily when his name was mentioned. When you've lost the stoner crowd...

P.S. I didn't know Mick was a "closet conservative."

Closet ? He is secretly a proud conservative . He got that by running the operations of what is essentially a franchise... The Strolling Bones .
What Mick Jagger knows about making money in music - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Circle-Bastiat/2011/0121/What-Mick-Jagger-knows-about-making-money-in-music)

Hello again,

He IS a grad of the London School of Economics.

excon

Speaking of Obama's pivot to climate change, they're circling the wagons and prepping supporters on how to head fake the people while they get screwed.


Obama Allies Urge Environmental Activists to Avoid Economic Arguments (http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/obama-allies-urge-environmental-activists-to-avoid-economic-arguments-20130625)

A talking points memo sent Monday night ahead of President Obama’s speech Tuesday on climate change tells Obama supporters to downplay economic arguments and words like “regulations.”

The memo, obtained by National Journal, includes a “do’s and don’t’s” list of phrases to use (and not use) when advocating for action on climate change. “Do discuss modernizing and retooling power plants and innovation that will create green jobs…Don’t try to suggest net job increases,” reads one part of the memo.

Ken Berlin, chair of the Energy & Environment Team, a group of national, state and local energy and climate leaders, distributed the memo to his group of about 1,300 people who have organized around these issues for the Obama campaign.

Berlin said the memo was written by the Climate Action Coalition, a new coalition of most major environmental groups. He added the umbrella group is coordinated in part by Kevin Curtis, who is also affiliated with The Climate Reality Project, an advocacy group founded by environmentalist and former Vice President Al Gore. A call to Curtis was not immediately returned.

More from the 14-page memo’s “do’s and don’t’s” list: “Do inform audiences about the nature of the problem, who is at fault, and what can be done…Don’t debate the increase in electricity rates. Instead pivot to health & clean air message.” Another one says: “Do use ‘cutting carbon pollution from power plants’…Don’t use ‘regulations to control greenhouse gas emissions from power plants.’ ”

Berlin acknowledged that although one could read the talking points as pivoting away from the economy, that’s not what the memo meant.

“Essentially, we think the priority arguments to make are the ones that climate change is having an impact now, hurting people now, hurting the economy now,” Berlin told National Journal Tuesday afternoon.

In his speech Tuesday, Obama stressed that combating climate change and growing the economy should not be an “either/or” proposition. “It’s both/and,” Obama said. “We’ve got to look after our children; we have to look after our future; and we have to grow the economy and create jobs.”

Nonetheless, talking points like the one in this memo could further inflame the already incendiary debate around what role Washington should fill in combating global warming. Republicans in Congress maintain that it is an either/or proposition with climate and the economy.

“This is not a problem that calls for a one size fits all solution. Ohio knows this better than most, since more than 80 percent of our electricity comes from coal generation,” said Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio, in a statement after Obama’s speech. “This new regulation could raise costs for Ohio families, many of whom are struggling to make ends meet.”

Who's up for their energy costs necessarily skyrocketing? You think all those people we heard about just yesterday living paycheck to paycheck (http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/24/pf/emergency-savings/index.html) are all in, or does Obama even care that we need jobs, not higher electric bills?

Hey that's almost like the guy who gave us the job creator spin for greedy rich guys, and the way for you guys to talk about rape (don't say anything). Its called priority of talking points and we all do it don't we?

Hey that's almost like the guy who gave us the job creator spin for greedy rich guys, and the way for you guys to talk about rape (don't say anything). Its called priority of talking points and we all do it don't we?

So you're OK with deceiving and screwing the American people after all.

I don't go along with your characterization. Unless it applies equally to both sides.

I don't go along with your characterization. Unless it applies equally to both sides.

I don't like any of 'em lying to me, is that equal enough? I'm particularly tired of Obama blowing smoke about the middle class while screwing them in the process.

It's come to this (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-miramonte-families-pressed-to-settle-20130625,0,7313521.story?track=rss&utm_source=tf&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lanowblog+%28L.A.+Now%29)...


Alleged victims of abuse at Miramonte Elementary have until July 5 to accept recent settlement offers from the Los Angeles Unified School District, officials said Tuesday.

The school district pressed its point with a new website that emphasized that fact with a countdown clock clicking toward the deadline second by second.

"The reason we’re setting up the website is to provide information to the community -- both to the community at Miramonte and to the taxpaying community at large," said Sean Rossall, an L.A. Unified spokesman.

"There is a finite time on these offers," he said. "The idea is not to ratchet up the pressure, but to make sure the community understands there are deadlines on this.”

Attorneys representing alleged victims have accused the district of trying to strong-arm their clients into settling for less than they deserve. They have scheduled a news conference for Wednesday morning to respond.

The damage claims stem from allegations that former teacher Mark Berndt spoon-fed his semen to blindfolded students as part of what he called a "tasting game," among other alleged incidents of abusive conduct.

I don't think there is any amount of money that would satisfy me if some perv teacher spoon-fed his semen to my kid. But hey, this is what you get when you can't fire bad teachers (http://www.kcet.org/socal/voices/city-of-angles/firing-bad-teachers-in-la-expensive-and-hard.html), right? Even this guy got $40k payoff.

It's come to this (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-miramonte-families-pressed-to-settle-20130625,0,7313521.story?track=rss&utm_source=tf&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lanowblog+%28L.A.+Now%29)...



I don't think there is any amount of money that would satisfy me if some perv teacher spoon-fed his semen to my kid. But hey, this is what you get when you can't fire bad teachers (http://www.kcet.org/socal/voices/city-of-angles/firing-bad-teachers-in-la-expensive-and-hard.html), right? Even this guy got $40k payoff.

If someone did that to me of one of my family... losing his job would be the least of his worries.

Hello again,

Get Issa on the case.. He'll link it to Obama.

excon

Hello again,

Get Issa on the case.. He'll link it to Obama.

excon

Actually Obama said we should be able to fire bad teachers, but I don't know how serious he was about that. But shouldn't your pal Waxman get on the case? He does represent part of LA.

Actually Obama said we should be able to fire bad teachers, but I don't know how serious he was about that. But shouldn't your pal Waxman get on the case? He does represent part of LA.

He's beholden to the teacher's unions.

How do you determine who is a bad teacher, fire bad students

In many cases it isn't rocket science. Back to the LA school system for a moment . This week they are bragging that their graduation rate in their high schools went up to 66% .
LAUSD graduation rate increases to 66% - LA Daily News (http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_22987217/lausd-graduation-rates-increase-66)
That of course means that 34 % of their students failed to graduate . And that result is obtained with enrolled students and doesn't count the ones who have dropped out along the way.

But that didn't stop them from setting up a pilot program where they siphon state education $$ for the purpose of training students to become community activists in support of Obamacare.
Los Angeles Schools Train Students To Promote Obamacare - Reason 24/7 : Reason.com (http://reason.com/24-7/2013/06/27/los-angeles-schools-train-students-to-pr)

training students to become community activists in support of Obamacare.Well actually the mandate is
"With coverage starting in 2014,
Covered California will help individuals compare and choose a
health plan that works best for their health needs and budget.
Financial help will be available from the federal government
to help lower costs for people who qualify on a sliding scale.
Small businesses will be able to purchase competitively
priced health plans and offer their employees the ability to
choose from an array of plans and may qualify for federal tax
credits. Covered California is an independent part of the state
government whose job is to make the new market work for
California's consumers."

But you can try to spread FUD about it I guess. It's what you do.

I stand by what I said. No doubt these students will get course credit for this too.

Nope, they don't. Wrong again.

I stand by what I said. No doubt these students will get course credit for this too.

I can't respond to the course credit claim but it wouldn't surprise me. It's not FUD to point out that LAUSD is training kids to be government propagandizers (http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2013/06/20/california-schools-train-kids-sell-obamacare) and using school staff to promote a government message when they should be teaching math.


LAUSD will also use tax-paid staff to promote ObamaCare through phone calls to students’ homes, in-class presentations, and meetings with employees eligible for ObamaCare’s taxpayer-covered healthcare, the grant award says.

One in three Los Angeles students never graduates high school.

The district listed adult education students, part-time, and contract employees as its target population. Teens will be trained to be messengers not to those groups, but to their own families, to get more people enrolled in taxpayer-subsidized healthcare.

If the project is successful, Los Angeles families can expect more use of students to push government-preferred messaging.

“Teens are part of a ‘pilot’ program to test whether young people can be trained as messengers to deliver outreach and limited education to family and friends in and around their homes,” said Gayle Pollard-Terry, a LAUSD spokesman, in an email. “Teens will be educating adults that they already know (e.g., family or friends) and not other adults.”

You can choose for yourself to be ignorant of the options and opportunities of the new health care law, but don't get mad because they choose not to be. Especially if they have to help older members of their family navigate the system.

You can choose for yourself to be ignorant of the options and opportunities of the new health care law, but don't get mad because they choose not to be. Especially if they have to help older members of their family navigate the system.

Apparently you don't see the irony in complaining about the exploitation of children in one post and supporting it in the next.

Here, see for yourself:
http://www.healthexchange.ca.gov/Documents/COVERED%20CA%20-%20Grantee%20Profiles%20-%205-14-13.pdf

Where are they exploiting children or getting course credit?

Here, see for yourself:
http://www.healthexchange.ca.gov/Documents/COVERED%20CA%20-%20Grantee%20Profiles%20-%205-14-13.pdf

Where are they exploiting children or getting course credit?

No one has claimed definitively they will get course credit. It's called sarcasm, something you have great difficulty discerning, also the usage of words like "exploitation."

Children are supposed to go to school for an education, not to learn how to be community organizers to accomplish a political purpose, that is exploitation. And yes, your source confirms that.

The California Council of Churches and Catholic Charities of California got grants as well. Better start the outrage machine!

No one has claimed definitively they will get course credit. It's called sarcasm, something you have great difficulty discerning, also the usage of words like "exploitation."

Children are supposed to go to school for an education, not to learn how to be community organizers to accomplish a political purpose, that is exploitation. And yes, your source confirms that.

Organizing and voting for a better community is a good thing. Maybe the will have a better school because of it, and not be exploited by a corrupt politician.

The California Council of Churches and Catholic Charities of California got grants as well. Better start the outrage machine!

I have no idea why that should outrage me.

Organizing and voting for a better community is a good thing. Maybe the will have a better school because of it, and not be exploited by a corrupt politician.

Ok then, let's use taxpayer funds for religious schools to teach kids how to spread the gospel, that would make for a better community.

teach kids how to spread the gospel, that would make for a better community.I think we've all noticed that that's not the case.

They get tax exempt status already, so don't be greedy. Use some of that not for profit hospital money.

I think we've all noticed that that's not the case.

You just never do get the point do you? Always dissing on others is all you do.

All right, moving on. It's come to this...


Vegan Sellout List (http://www.exvegans.com/our-mission/)

Our Mission.
If you’re no longer vegan, you’re going on the list.

The spirits of the billions murdered have risen to deliver: The Vegan Sellout List – an online directory of those who have regressed from moral consistency to moral depravity.

The Vegan Sellout List is our answer to the epidemic of vegan sellouts – those who are aware of the suffering caused by meat, dairy, egg, fur, and leather production, yet choose to look away while the animals suffer.

Selling out veganism is a trend on the upswing, bringing with it swarms of haughty, nose-turning carnists uttering nonsensical buzzwords re: veganism being “privileged”, or “trendy”, critiquing themselves into ethical degeneracy and paleo-terrorism.

To those who have regressed from veganism, yet display symptoms of a soul not fully blackened to it’s core, we ask you to remind yourself why you were what you were:

And you think we're the wackos.

Who cares what those people do. Seriously, what's the point of bringing them up?

If you aren't interested in the thread feel free to find one that interests you.

Seriously though, what the point of showcasing some internet fringe group and trying to use them to paint "the left" as loony?
That's just freaking ignorant.

Seriously though, what the point of showcasing some internet fringe group and trying to use them to paint "the left" as loony?
That's just freaking ignorant.

I didn't know vegans were all lefties but I've know for some time you have no sense of humor.

Seriously, feel free to find something else that interests you or start your own thread if this doesn't interest you, but you really need another hobby besides trying to humiliate me, you suck at it.

It's come to this...

Bird watchers "flocked" to Isle of Harris in Scotland because an extremely rare bird ,the White-throated Needletail was spotted (it is called Stormbird in Australia) . Some bird watchers even chartered planes to get a glimpse . The last time one was seen in the area was 22 years ago ;and there have been only eight recorded sightings in the UK since 1846. It is a sight to see as it flys at speeds over 100mph on the strength of it's wings.

But their thrill of viewing was short lived when the bird was killed when it flew into the blades of an environmentally friendly wind turbine.
Needletail 'Bird of the Century' Killed in Wind Turbine Crash - IBTimes UK (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/484335/20130628/needlebird-turbine-scotland-harris.htm)

Wind turbines kill 570,000 birds each year in the United States alone. More than one of them are in the protected ,endanged species list... including more than one bald eagle and golden eagle; and other necessary predatory birds like hawks and falcons . When they are flying ,they generally are looking down for prey .There is nothing in their evolution that prepared them for a predator like a wind turbine .So they are naturally not prepared for the encounter . To top it off ,many a windmill was constructed in the routes of migratory birds .

I ask you ,what other industry can get away with such destruction of protected species ? When a natural gas power plant was considered in my area ;it was nixed because there were timber rattle snakes in the area. But these so called environmentally friendly wind farms can wack birds faster than Tyson farms . Each death of a protected bird brings down the full wrath of the EPA on oil companies.

Each death is a federal crime, a charge that the Obama administration has used to prosecute oil companies when birds drown in their waste pits, and power companies when birds are electrocuted by their power lines. No wind energy company has been prosecuted, even those that repeatedly flout the law.

Wind power, a pollution-free energy intended to ease global warming, is a cornerstone of President Barack Obama's energy plan. His administration has championed a $1 billion-a-year tax break to the industry that has nearly doubled the amount of wind power in his first term.

The large death toll at wind farms shows how the renewable-energy rush comes with its own environmental consequences, trade-offs the Obama administration is willing to make in the name of cleaner energy...

When companies voluntarily report deaths, the Obama administration in many cases refuses to make the information public, saying it belongs to the energy companies or that revealing it would expose trade secrets or implicate ongoing enforcement investigations.

Nearly all the birds being killed are protected under federal environmental laws, which prosecutors have used to generate tens of millions of dollars in fines and settlements from businesses, including oil and gas companies, over the past five years.

"What it boils down to is this: If you electrocute an eagle, that is bad, but if you chop it to pieces, that is OK," said Tim Eicher, a former U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service enforcement agent based in Cody, Wyo.

Feds quiet as wind farms kill eagles - TwinCities.com (http://www.twincities.com/national/ci_23269786/feds-quiet-wind-farms-kill-eagles)

You just can't make that up.

So if you're an environut how do you choose? Wind or wildlife?

You just can't make that up.

So if you're an environut how do you choose? Wind or wildlife?

Environuts will find a way to blame it not on the Windmills but the imaginary "Global warming"... or for the real nuts... it will lbe George Bushes fault somehow.

Reality and Rationality are two words not in their vocabulary.

Well if you consider 1 or 2 toilets per average household of 1 to 6 people to use as needed. But each person in household has own cell yeah it makes sense. I'd say cars fall in between there somewhere and TV's/video players probably equal or exceed cell phones at least in USA.

Ahhhhh one of the things I've missed being away from AMHD, the left-right fight.

Welcome back . Hope all is well .

well if you consider 1 or 2 toilets per average household of 1 to 6 people to use as needed. But each person in household has own cell yeah it makes sense. I'd say cars fall in between there somewhere and TV's/video players probably equal or exceed cell phones at least in USA.

Being the United states isn't the size of a postage stamp... cars for most people are absolute necessities of life... not a nice to have convenience.

Cell phones etc however are a lot lower on the Have to have list.

Where is you live again? Cell phones are must have for most of the world where as cars remain a would like to have

Without a car, and they are expensive to buy and maintain, your employment and economic options and opportunities are severely hindered, and mass transit if you have a good system is time consuming.

where is you live again? cell phones are must have for most of the world where as cars remain a would like to have
Really... is that cell phone going to get you 20 miles or more to the store and back? Will it get you to work?

Exactly how did humanity manage to survive before the cell phone?

Most of humanity doesn't think that way in the absence of what we in the first world take for granted they have grasped the affordable technology. I agree if they had a car they might gain employment even if it was as a taxi driver, but we have this stupid idea that we can live miles from our work and waste hours driving back and forth

You just can't make that up.

So if you're an environut how do you choose? Wind or wildlife?

Necessity is usually the mother of invention. No doubt someone will come up with some sort of electronic device that will clear birds from the vicinity of turbines.

Necessity is usually the mother of invention. No doubt someone will come up with some sort of electronic device that will clear birds from the vicinity of turbines.

Turbines have been around wacking birds for a long time now . The industry would've been shut down a long time ago if it wasn't so PC .

How many environmentally detrimental idustries can you point to as shut down?

If all the environmentally unfriendly industries in your nation were shutdown you would literally come to a standstill, so let's cut to the chase, there is unintended collateral damage and just now and then a protected species get's in the way of a propellar blade.

I seem to remember the consequence of protecting a species, didn't it shut down a vivrant agricultural industry

most of humanity doesn't think that way in the absence of what we in the first world take for granted they have grasped the affordable technology. I agree if they had a car they might gain employment even if it was as a taxi driver, but we have this stupid idea that we can live miles from our work and waste hours driving back and forth

Its not a stupid idea... few people can work from home... and not everyone can or wants to live walking distance for their job... which by the way... for most people does change from time to time.

I don't really want to return to the agrarian style of life.

How many environmentally detrimental idustries can you point to as shut down?.

If all the environmentally unfriendly industries in your nation were shutdown you would litterally come to a standstill, so let's cut to the chase, there is unintended collateral damage and just now and then a protected species get's in the way of a propellar blade.

I seem to remember the consequence of protecting a species, didn't it shut down a vivrant agricultural industry

Industry ? No... individual companies fined and shut down or fined for far less ? Many

Ok local industry

Here are a few examples (http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0514/Why-wind-farms-kill-eagles-with-federal-impunity) of the double standard.


"We are all responsible for protecting our wildlife, even the largest of corporations," Colorado U.S. Attorney David M. Gaouette said in 2009 when announcing Exxon Mobil had pleaded guilty and would pay $600,000 for killing 85 birds in five states, including Wyoming.

The large death toll at wind farms shows how the renewable energy rush comes with its own environmental consequences, trade-offs the Obama administration is willing to make in the name of cleaner energy.

"It is the rationale that we have to get off of carbon, we have to get off of fossil fuels, that allows them to justify this," said Tom Dougherty, a long-time environmentalist who worked for nearly 20 years for the National Wildlife Federation in the West, until his retirement in 2008. "But at what cost? In this case, the cost is too high."

The Obama administration has refused to accept that cost when the fossil-fuel industry is to blame. The BP oil company was fined $100 million for killing and harming migratory birds during the 2010 Gulf oil spill. And PacifiCorp, which operates coal plants in Wyoming, paid more than $10.5 million in 2009 for electrocuting 232 eagles along power lines and at its substations.

But PacifiCorp also operates wind farms in the state, where at least 20 eagles have been found dead in recent years, according to corporate surveys submitted to the federal government and obtained by The Associated Press. They've neither been fined nor prosecuted. A spokesman for PacifiCorp, which is a subsidiary of MidAmerican Energy Holdings Co. of Des Moines, Iowa, said that's because its turbines may not be to blame.

"What it boils down to is this: If you electrocute an eagle, that is bad, but if you chop it to pieces, that is OK," said Tim Eicher, a former U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service enforcement agent based in Cody, who helped prosecute the PacifiCorp power line case.

And get this, the Obama administration has proposed 30-year permits for wind energy companies to kill a set number of bald or golden eagles.

There may not be any eagles left after that.

What's your solution?

Windmills do not generate enough power to make a difference. They are an environmental hazard to the avian species and an eyesore (if you don't believe me then ask the Kennedy clan ) . They should be removed just as dams are being taken down because of their negative environmental impact.

What's your solution?

I hate the darn things. Take a cross country drive and see how they've absolutely ruined the landscape. That's another thing that baffles me about environuts, who haven't seen a bird, bug, minnow or piece of earth they didn't love. Why would you do this?

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4648109134119427&pid=1.7

windmills do not generate enough power to make a difference. They are an environmental hazard to the avian species and an eyesore (if you don't believe me then ask the Kennedy clan ) . They should be removed just as dams are being taken down because of their negative environmental impact.

Yeah, who needs Hoover Dam.


I hate the darn things. Take a cross country drive and see how they've absolutely ruined the landscape. That's another thing that baffles me about environuts, who haven't seen a bird, bug, minnow or piece of earth they didn't love. Why would you do this?

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4648109134119427&pid=1.7

Rural people don't need power, nor do far flung suburbs.

Yeah ;who needs
The Klamath River Dams
Glen Canyon Dam
The Lower Snake River Dams
Elwha River Dam

All the dams on the river in my area have been broken open and the river restored to it's natural state .
This is happening all over the country. 62 dams in the USA last year alone were removed .800 in the last 20 years . They were not replaced with new dams . You can look it up . It's a conservation movement called the River Restoration project... and it's not a bad idea.

Considering that the US consumes the most power in the world how do you propose to generate this power?

P.S. tom is one of those environuts!

Not with windmills.. not with water power.. those are all 19th century technology . I say we use Canadian oil sands . I say we use gas and oil from shale . I say we use clean coal technology . I say we develop new generations of nuclear . I say we develop methane hydrate . We have enough of the known existing resources to last over a century . More than enough time to develop the flux capacator and see if there is any future in cold fusion or dilithium chrystals .

No I'm a conservationist like Teddy Roosevelt .

Trust me, unless they can solve the problems of delivering needed power, or irrigation concerns locally, they don't do it. Many of these dams were obsolete anyway and better alternatives have been found.

Now if we can just do the same with those bridges... before they fall and kill some body(S)... AND I don't mean birds, protected or not..

Yeah, who needs Hoover Dam.



Rural people don't need power, nor do far flung suburbs.

So build them in your front yard.

Not enough wind in my front yard, but Texas has a wind corridor in the western part of the state. Perry has been building them for decades there, with help from a bunch of foreign governments and companies.

Everybody knows that your neighborhood has more wind than mine, and cleaner air too.

Many of these dams were obsolete anyway and better alternatives have been found.
Exactly . Dams are an obsolete method for both irrigation and for power generation .So are windmills

And bridges are becoming obsolete and dangerous. They need repair, and replacing.

That would be a comparable argument if there was something to replace a bridge . By me they blew the dams up and did not even bother to remove the majority of the debris.

And bridges are becoming obsolete and dangerous. They need repair, and replacing.

That will teach city dwellers to swim.

Imagine the commutes into and out of Manhattan.

Meanwhile, it's come to this (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/07/03/uk-egypt-protests-idUKBRE96101L20130703)...

Got to love that... lets hope reports are confirmed the Military told the Islamic Terrorist over there to get stuffed. As I'm listening to the radio at work... the stories are as yet unconfirmed.

that would be a comparable argument if there was something to replace a bridge . By me they blew the dams up and did not even bother to remove the majority of the debris.

Replace the old bridges with new ones.

GOTTA love that.....lets hope reports are confirmed the Military told the Islamic Terrorist over there to get stuffed. As I'm listening to the radio at work...the stories are as yet unconfirmed.

It appears to be a done deal (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/07/egypt-morsi-deadline/66815/), with the blessing of Sunni Clerics and the Coptic church (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/03/us-egypt-protests-roadmap-idUSBRE96211820130703).

Replace the old bridges with new ones.

Go right ahead and get your state and local gvt to fund it... oh yeah that's right.. you think the Federal Government is responsible for all that.

It appears to be a done deal (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/07/egypt-morsi-deadline/66815/), with the blessing of Sunni Clerics and the Coptic church (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/03/us-egypt-protests-roadmap-idUSBRE96211820130703).

Yes another great day for democracy with nazi islamists removed and the voice of the people heard

There are no alternatives to the Muslim Brotherhood because the opposition is a large protest movement without any coherent core. However, it is notable that the impetus for these protests was the liberal and secular opposition, who for the first time demonstrated an ability to establish a united front. It is unclear whether the opposition will coalesce and whether Tamarod's political wing, June 30 Front, represents a political alternative to the Brotherhood's established social networks in the country. Mohammed ElBaradei's appointment as the negotiator for much of the opposition could be a first step toward a political entity besides the Brotherhood that could wield civilian power.

Egypt's Atypical Military Coup | Stratfor (http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/egypts-atypical-military-coup?utm_source=freelist-f&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20130703&utm_term=RedAlert&utm_content=readmore&elq=9c38d6e745ad41dc901361f71f407529)

I have a feeling that the Brotherhood will not submit quietly . I think we are on the road back to the future ,where the military will sanction the civilian leadership ,and the president will serve as the defacto Pharaoh at the pleasure of the military .

go right ahead and get your state and local gvt to fund it ... oh yeah that's right ..you think the Federal Government is responsible for all that.

Actually private industry and state and federal governments should be in on the fix.

Egypt's Atypical Military Coup | Stratfor (http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/egypts-atypical-military-coup?utm_source=freelist-f&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20130703&utm_term=RedAlert&utm_content=readmore&elq=9c38d6e745ad41dc901361f71f407529)

I have a feeling that the Brotherhood will not submit quietly . I think we are on the road back to the future ,where the military will sanction the civilian leadership ,and the president will serve as the defacto Pharoah at the pleasure of the military .

The eqyptians are not noted for their bravery under fire. I think what will happen is an unfair constituition will be trashed and a little desert despot has been deposed for good. Muslim democracy is different, the people vote in many ways but you ignore the voice of the people at your peril

You know I am no fan of Morsi or the Brotherhood . It is never a good sign when a military coup removes the 1st ever democratically elected government. I kind of doubt new democratic elections will happen any time soon. And even if it does ,the precedent has been set that any time the "people " take to the street ,the elected government will be deposed by the military . There is a recipe for stability .
Nor will any installed technocrat be able to solve the economic difficulties .
This is not the 1st time the military has intervened in Egypt . Typical m.o. is to try to unite the nation by blaming Jews and provoking war with Israel .

Whatever happens I'm sure we're deeply concerned and will continue leading from behind.

Look these things happen. It happened a couple of times in the Philippines and now in Eqypt. It isn't necessarily a bad thing after all your own democratic processes had some rocky roads way back when.

I live in a place where the leader can be changed at the whim of a few politicians, I think this is a fairer process but military intervention shouldn't be necessary. It just demonstrates how short on leadership they are over there

The emperor has ordered a review of our aid to Egypt. He's about a year late by my estimation.

Look these things happen. It happened a couple of times in the Phillipines and now in Eqypt. It isn't necessarily a bad thing afterall your own democratic processes had some rocky roads way back when.

I live in a place where the leader can be changed at the whim of a few politicians, I think this is a fairer process but military intervention shouldn't be necessary. It just demonstrates how short on leadership they are over there

Yes ours did. But this reminds me more of the Thermidorian Reaction that preceded the Napoleon rise to dictatorship.

You think they will execute the former appointees of Morisi and Morisi himself? Most are in custody now. Or will the Muslim Brotherhood retaliate against the new government, or the military? I think the military will act with putting in place civilians to run not just the government but necessary day to day civilian services.

Morisi was building an Islamic theocracy and consolidating power to the few that the many had deep objections to because they were effectively excluded from power sharing and decision making.

Morisi was building an Islamic theocracy and consolidating power to the few that the many had deep objections to because they were effectively excluded from power sharing and decision making.

Nahh that wasn't the issue. Morsi let the economy go into crapper


You think they will execute the former appointees of Morisi and Morisi himself? Most are in custody now. Or will the Muslim Brotherhood retaliate against the new government, or the military?
On all these questions the answer is that it is a definite possibility . Another possibility is that the Brotherhood would not officially react ;but let the heavy lift reaction come from the Salafists .

I think the military will act with putting in place civilians to run not just the government but necessary day to day civilian services.

Of course they will . That is their m.o. appoint a Pharaoh that answers to the military chain of command.

Well hindsight is marvellous egypt got the result they wanted which is basically that someone listens, a lesson for islamists who listen to no one

It's come to this... and nothing will come of it because no conservative was involved.


Alec Badlwin apologized to GLAAD (http://www.enstarz.com/articles/20678/20130629/alec-baldwin-twitter-rant-apology-george-stark-daily-mail-attack.htm) for his latest Twitter rant that some interpreted as homophobic.

"My ill-advised attack on George Stark of the Daily Mail has absolutely nothing to do with issues of anyone's sexual orientation," he wrote in a letter to GLAAD. "My anger was directed at Mr. Stark for blatantly lying and disseminating libelous information about my wife and her conduct at our friend's funeral service."

The letter, which was posted on the New York City-based lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights group, also included, "I would not advocate violence against someone for being gay and I hope that my friends at GLAAD and the gay community understand that my attack on Mr. Stark in no way was the result of homophobia."

GLAAD accepted the actor's apology stating that he has a history of supporting the LGBT population and working towards the community's equality.

Baldwin's rant came after the Daily Mail journalist accused his wife Hilaria Thomas Baldwin of tweeting during actor James Gandolfini's funeral on Thursday. The journalist said that Baldwin's wife was tweeting about her wedding plans.

The 55-year-old defended his wife by saying that she left her phone in the car and went on to call Stark a "toxic little queen."

His wife also spoke on her husband's behalf and explained that his actions were in no way a target against the LGBT community.

"Almost all of my best friends are gay... I would have NEVER married a homophobic man. Hear my husband out on his meaning of the word 'queen,'" she wrote on her Twitter on Friday.

She continued the conversation on Saturday and tweeted, "It wasn't twitter's fault - it was poor journalism & libel. "Reporters" write untrue articles w no repercussions."

However, this wouldn't be the first time that the actor attacked a journalist. In 2012, the actor was accused of punching a photographer from The New York Daily News for trying to photograph the couple after obtaining their marriage license.

Yes indeed, "toxic little queen" obviously is not homophobic and bigoted, particularly when coupled with "I'll put my foot up your f***ing a**, George Stark, but I'm sure you'd dig it too much."

But that's OK, conservatives are leading the way against his homophobic rant (http://www.rightwingnews.com/celebrities/leading-conservatives-call-on-capital-one-to-fire-alec-baldwin/) (filth and foul and foul and filth warning).

Good Luck. :)

You think they will execute the former appointees of Morisi and Morisi himself? Most are in custody now. Or will the Muslim Brotherhood retaliate against the new government, or the military? I think the military will act with putting in place civilians to run not just the government but necessary day to day civilian services.

Morisi was building an Islamic theocracy and consolidating power to the few that the many had deep objections to because they were effectively excluded from power sharing and decision making.

Such is the islamic way and there are already protests and clashes The Muslim Brotherhood will not go quietly into the night but Egypt has seen enough of islamic theocracy in other places to know they don't want it

Good Luck. :)

In other words, you agree homophobia only counts when perpetrated by conservatives?

No just good luck, nothing more.

Taking his cue from our fearless emperor ,and MIA Evita , Sec State JF Kerry was yachting Wednesday afternoon as the Egyptian crisis unfolded .
John Kerry on his boat during Egypt upheaval, State Dept. concedes - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57592465/john-kerry-on-his-boat-during-egypt-upheaval-state-dept-concedes/)
The White House denied it before they confirmed it .