taking his cue from our fearless emperor ,and MIA Evita , Sec State JF Kerry was yachting Wednesday afternoon as the Egyptian crisis unfolded .
John Kerry on his boat during Egypt upheaval, State Dept. concedes - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57592465/john-kerry-on-his-boat-during-egypt-upheaval-state-dept-concedes/)
The White House denied it before they confirmed it .

Would that be the yacht he parks at the neighbor's to avoid paying his fair share?

Would that be the yacht he parks at the neighbor's to avoid paying his fair share?

Unless he has more than one... yes . Funny thing is this time the WH has a pix of the emperor in the 'Situation Room' to prove he isn't MIA like during Benghazi.

You are so worried about things that really mean nothing john kerry has the right idea about Egypt, much ado about nothing

JK Kerry has no f'n clue about Egypt or the greater ME . He is still obsessed with forcing negotiations between Israel and the eunich pretend leader of the Palestinians . Maybe he is doing the country a favor by yachting instead of getting involved in a nation where there is a clear US national interest in the outcome. But you would think ;if nothing else for appearance sake;that he would pretend to be interested .

There is no clear US interest in Egypt you don't need Suez. It would be to your advantage if it were closed

Have you seen the world price of oil spike this week ? Wonder why ? Egypt doesn't pump it's own oil ;but a whole bunch of it passes through Suez. Egypt also has the largest Arab military ;and that military has been a stabilizing force in the region ,honoring the Camp David Accords among other things.
Besides that the US cannot dismisss a nation of 90 million people in their transition to a post - dictatorship ,We need to do what we can to help them expand economic opportunities for Egyptian citizens ,and creating a more sustainable economy ,and democratic political system over-all .
We also NEED their assistance and cooperation in the war against jihadistan. The Brotherhood of course aligns itself ;or if not is in direct control of the jihadists movement .
These are just some of the reasons the US cannot ignore Egypt. Unlike your nation ,ours has larger responsibilities.

Well said Tom. We have a GREAT interest on a stable Egypt.

have you seen the world price of oil spike this week ? wonder why ? Egypt doesn't pump it's own oil ;but a whole bunch of it passes through Suez. Egypt also has the largest Arab military ;and that military has been a stabilizing force in the region ,honoring the Camp David Accords among other things.
Besides that the US cannot dismisss a nation of 90 million people in their transition to a post - dictatorship ,We need to do what we can to help them expand economic opportunities for Egyptian citizens ,and creating a more sustainable economy ,and democratic political system over-all .
We also NEED their assistance and cooperation in the war against jihadistan. The Brotherhood of course aligns itself ;or if not is in direct control of the jihadists movement .
These are just some of the reasons the US cannot ignore Egypt. Unlike your nation ,ours has larger responsibilities.

You are somewhat ignorant about Egypt Tom Egypt is an oil producer.

Egypt Crude Oil Production by Year (Thousand Barrels per Day) (http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=eg&product=oil&graph=production)

Yes Egypt has been a pawn in your ME power play and I have no doubt Egypt has been a convenient stopover for your CIA rendition program. As to our responsibilities Tom you forget we have stood beside you in some of your more adventurous plays and have undertaken our own regional programs. Once again you presume to be the world's policeman

I understand and appreciate your commitment to our alliances. But your nation has the luxury to pick . You condemn us as the world's police and would decry a world without a super power nation to pull the heavy weight. Without us you would surely hitch a ride with a dragon.

I have answered this once and won't repeat myself just because the site software has it's knickers in a knot

It must be lonely or is it looney over there

It's come to this...


Ahmadinejad touts Holocaust denial as great success of his tenure (http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/ahmadinejad-touts-holocaust-denial-as-great-success-of-his-tenure-1.534337)

Outgoing Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Sunday described his denial of the Holocaust as one of his greatest achievements, the Fars news agency reported.

"That was a taboo topic that no one in the West allowed to be heard," Ahmadinejad said in a speech looking back at his time in office. He had enough courage to bring up the issue, he said.

"That broke the spine of the Western capitalist regime," he claimed.

I couldn't have come up with a better legacy for Ahmawhackjob myself.

Right after discovering Obamacare subsidies are going on the honor system ("liar subsidies (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324507404578591671926459776.html?m od=rss_opinion_main)") along with a multitude of other examples of admin incompetence, Obama is laying out a blueprint for "smarter government (http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/07/08/obama-cabinet-meeting-management-agenda/2497869/)."


In a statement, the White House said Obama will discuss progress in three key areas: "Delivering government services better, smarter and faster ... finding ways to reduce waste and save taxpayers money; and ... opening up huge amounts of government data to give entrepreneurs and businesses the ability to create jobs and solve problems."

What could go wrong?

Right after discovering Obamacare subsidies are going on the honor system ("liar subsidies (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324507404578591671926459776.html?m od=rss_opinion_main)") along with a multitude of other examples of admin incompetence, Obama is laying out a blueprint for "smarter government (http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/07/08/obama-cabinet-meeting-management-agenda/2497869/)."



What could go wrong?

I am sure the right will enlighten us.

I am sure the right will enlighten us.

Still challenged by irony, eh?

What can go wrong is everything... absolutelty everything. Particualrly since nobody writing the legistaion or Regualations is going to be bound by or fall under them.

If they were there would at least be some incentive to do it right.

Right after discovering Obamacare subsidies are going on the honor system ("liar subsidies (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324507404578591671926459776.html?m od=rss_opinion_main)") along with a multitude of other examples of admin incompetence, Obama is laying out a blueprint for "smarter government (http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/07/08/obama-cabinet-meeting-management-agenda/2497869/)."



What could go wrong?

The news in that article is that the emperor is actually holding a cabinet meeting .

the news in that article is that the emperor is actually holding a cabinet meeting .

It's like that image of him being "deeply concerned" over Egypt you mentioned, he's puttin' on a show.

Another not so flattering report for Hillary's State Department...


A State Department officer has been accused of selling visas for sex and money in what may have been a massive human trafficking operation, The Daily Caller has learned.

The State Department acknowledged last week that one of its officials is the target of a probe over “allegations of improprieties relating to a Consular Officer formerly assigned to Georgetown, Guyana” without providing further details. Local media are also claiming the official, who was recently withdrawn from normal duties pending completion of an official investigation, associated with drug lords as part of his visa scam.

The scandal began when executives and tourists complained that their visa applications were being held up, and local media began reporting that a visa official was demanding bribes and sex in exchange for visas.

Read more: US Embassy official fired in alleged sex-for-visas swindle | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/07/u-s-embassy-official-in-guyana-removed-in-alleged-sex-for-visas-swindle/#ixzz2YTtL2CqU)
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In typical fashion, the most transparent administration EVER acknowledged the scandal - on the 4th of July when no one is paying any attention.


After months of stonewalling and denials, the State Department, which is investigating the matter itself, released a statement on Independence Day.

“The Department of State is aware of allegations of improprieties relating to a Consular Officer formerly assigned to Georgetown, Guyana,” the statement read. “The Department takes all allegations of misconduct by employees seriously. We are reviewing the matter thoroughly. If the allegations are substantiated, we will work with the relevant authorities to hold anyone involved accountable.”

Of course the only ones who are ever held accountable in this administration are whistleblowers or some sacrificial lamb. Don't count on anything ever to come out of this admin investigating itself.

Oh I see ;another independent internal investigation to get to the bottom of a scandal.

Undoubtedly don't you have faith in the admisitration It's okay Tom we are realists

When there was an issue about the Plame leak ,the Dems asked for an independent investigation and prosecutor... and President Bush had one appointed . Where is the independent investigation in any of the many scandals of the emperor's reign ?

Gasland, the Academy Award nominated anti-fracking film which scammed people (http://energyindepth.org/marcellus/extinquishing-the-flaming-faucet-exploding-the-myth/) into believing that fracking contaminated our water and turned faucets into fireballs, has a sequel.

This time they've gone the full monty in their hoax (http://freebeacon.com/gasland-director-presents-anti-fracking-hoax-as-evidence-in-new-film/) by turning a garden hose into a flame thrower. That's easy when you hook your hose up to the gas line instead of your hose bibb.


Environmentalist filmmaker Josh Fox presents a hoax perpetrated by a Texas activist designed to malign an innovative oil and gas extraction technique as sensational evidence of its catastrophic environmental impact.

Fox’s new film, Gasland Part II, features a powerful scene showing a Texas landowner lighting the contents of a garden hose on fire. The incident is presented as evidence of water contamination from a nearby hydraulic fracturing operation.

According to a Texas court, the scene was actually a hoax devised by a Texas environmental activist engaged in a prolonged battle with a local gas company to falsely inflate the supposed dangers of the oil and gas extraction technique, also known as fracking.

...

Texas’ 43rd Judicial District Court found in February 2012 that Steven Lipsky, “under the advice or direction” of Texas environmental activist Alisa Rich, “intentionally attach[ed] a garden hose to a gas vent—not a water line” and lit its contents on fire.

“This demonstration was not done for scientific study but to provide local and national news media a deceptive video, calculated to alarm the public into believing the water was burning,” the court found in response to a defamation complaint brought by Range Resources, the company conducting hydraulic fracturing operations in the area, against Lipsky and his wife.

Over to you NK, take it away with your "boy who cried wolf" stuff.

What future train wreck are you trying to protect us from now?

What future train wreck are you trying to protect us from now?

Flaming Canadian Train Wrecks?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/8/40-still-missing-canadian-train-wreck/

Yea, that's awful. Can't believe you're making light of it.

Federal Panel Wants Controls on Fracking (HAL, SLB, WFT, CPX, KEG, PTEN, RES, SWSIP, BHI, CHK, RRC) - 24/7 Wall St. (http://247wallst.com/energy-business/2011/08/11/federal-panel-wants-controls-on-fracking-hal-slb-wft-cpx-keg-pten-res-swsip-bhi-chk-rrc/)


Pressure from producers like Chesapeake and Range Resources is far more likely to have an impact on the services companies than is the threat of federal regulation. The producers have even more to lose than the services companies because if they can't pump gas out of the ground, they lose both the revenue and the lease rights.

The question the services guys and the producers should be asking themselves is how much less gas would we extract if we used non-toxic chemicals in our fluids. The answer is probably 'Not much.'

If that's the case, the natural gas industry and the services companies could have avoided a lot of the negative news about hydraulic fracturing. But for some reason, they'd always rather fight than adapt.

I guess some train wreck are more noticeable than others to some people. So is who to blame when it happens.

Yea, that's awful. Can't believe you're making light of it.

YOU brought up train wrecks... not me. (but yeah... it was an aweful event as most are.)


What future train wreck are you trying to protect us from now?

What future train wreck are you trying to protect us from now?

Once again you've made my point for me.

Federal Panel Wants Controls on Fracking (HAL, SLB, WFT, CPX, KEG, PTEN, RES, SWSIP, BHI, CHK, RRC) - 24/7 Wall St. (http://247wallst.com/energy-business/2011/08/11/federal-panel-wants-controls-on-fracking-hal-slb-wft-cpx-keg-pten-res-swsip-bhi-chk-rrc/)



I guess some train wreck are more noticeable than others to some people. So is who to blame when it happens.

I drank fracking fluid, says (Democratic) Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/its-come-713241-41.html#post3395355)

No way that could have been staged could it? Not with all the bucks involved.

No way that could have been staged could it? Not with all the bucks involved.

It seemed to have impressed him and they don't get any more environmentally wacko than in Colorado.

I find it interesting though that a show of responsibility seems to bother you more than the flat out lies of the Gasland hoaxers.

Once again you've made my point for me.What point is that?

What point is that?

Figure it out, you're a smart guy.

It seemed to have impressed him and they don't get any more environmentally wacko than in Colorado.

I find it interesting though that a show of responsibility seems to bother you more than the flat out lies of the Gasland hoaxers.

One case does not a pattern make.

California Fracking Lawsuit: Judge Slams Obama Administration (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/california-fracking-lawsuit_n_3046838.html)


A report issued by Democratic members of the U.S. House of Representatives found that, from 2005 to 2009, energy firms used 29 known or suspected carcinogens in fracking fluid -- the substance they inject under high pressure into the ground to fracture rock formations.

http://www.oxfordvisionaries.org/pipelines-the-no-frack-almanac/

http://www.processingmagazine.com/articles/natural-gas-drilling-companies-sued-over-fracking-wastewater

I read a lot more and deeper than you do. Need a link for the shale oil spill in Canada? Or Michigan? They aren't hoaxes and a train wreck that's already happened.

One case does not a pattern make.

California Fracking Lawsuit: Judge Slams Obama Administration (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/california-fracking-lawsuit_n_3046838.html)



http://www.oxfordvisionaries.org/pipelines-the-no-frack-almanac/

http://www.processingmagazine.com/articles/natural-gas-drilling-companies-sued-over-fracking-wastewater

I read a lot more and deeper than you do. Need a link for the shale oil spill in Canada? Or Michigan? They aren't hoaxes and a train wreck that's already happened.

I put about as much stock in anti-fracking groups like those who put out the "No-Frack Almanac" as I do those who just outright try and scam us like the Gasland people. And it doesn't take long to read "Page not found."

Moving on... it's come to this:

25 years for woman who hid loaded gun in vagina (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2013/07/09/20961371.html?cid=rssnewsweird)

And on that note, the pro-abortion crowd in Texas has a new chant. They've moved on from "hail Satan" to poetry:

"If my vagina was a gun, you would stand for its rights. You would ride on buses and fight its fights."

I have no words...

Figure it out, you're a smart guy.I don't think you've ever answered a question directly. It's come to that. I have no words.

I don't think you've ever answered a question directly. It's come to that. I have no words.

I don't think you've ever accepted any of my direct answers. You prefer to only try and belittle others.

I don't think you've ever answered a question directly. It's come to that. I have no words.

I don't think you've ever accepted any of my direct answers. You prefer to only try and belittle others. It's always been that.

Natural gas drilling companies sued over fracking wastewater (http://www.processingmagazine.com/articles/natural-gas-drilling-companies-sued-over-fracking-wastewater-2)

Hello again,

Frack it, Man... I'm going rogue..

excon

Meanwhile, republican serve their corporate masters,

Obama Shows The GOP The Consequences Of Their Obstruction (http://www.politicususa.com/2012/01/06/obama-gop-consequences.html)

And not only shaft worker and consumers but citizens they govern,

Lawyer's tally of debt Michigan owes Detroit now includes unpaid tickets, lighting bill | Detroit Free Press | freep.com (http://www.freep.com/article/20120606/NEWS06/206060419/Lawyer-s-tally-of-debt-Michigan-owes-Detroit-now-includes-unpaid-tickets-lighting-bill)

Michigan: The Bill That Could Dissolve Cities, Towns And Schools! (http://jillianbarclay.hubpages.com/hub/Michigan-The-Bill-That-Could-Dissolve-Cities-Towns-And-Schools)

That' what the TParty wants right?

YOU brought up train wrecks...not me. (but yeah...it was an aweful event as most are.)

If you ask me ,this demonstrates the need for a pipeline . Rail transportation is just too dangerous.

Meanwhile, republican serve their corporate masters,

Obama Shows The GOP The Consequences Of Their Obstruction

I quit reading this when in the 1st paragraph Rmuse made the premise that the there is " tea party rage at an African American in the Oval Office ".
No point in reading the rest because Rmuse(whoever that is ) is an a$$hole .

And not only shaft worker and consumers but citizens they govern,

Lawyer's tally of debt Michigan owes Detroit now includes unpaid tickets, lighting bill | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

Michigan: The Bill That Could Dissolve Cities, Towns And Schools!



The Dems failed the entire state of Michigan for decades . Now you think the steps being taken are draconian ;but they are indeed very necessary . If you are looking for blame then look in the Democrat mirror because Detroit ,Michigan Kalifornia are the logical outcomes of Democrat nanny state socialist polices.

Natural gas drilling companies sued over fracking wastewater (http://www.processingmagazine.com/articles/natural-gas-drilling-companies-sued-over-fracking-wastewater-2)

Let us know know how that turns out. A claim proves nothing.

Let us know know how that turns out. A claim proves nothing.

Meanwhile NY DEC is working on regulations that will permit fracking in our expansive Marcellus and Utica fields . I can't wait . Upstate NY has been in a state of Democrat induced depression for many years .

if you ask me ,this demonstrates the need for a pipeline . Rail transportation is just too dangerous.

I completely agree... far less opportunities for problems to occur.

I completely agree....far less opportunities for problems to occur.

Yes it is so unnecessary... Too bad no one has invented a tubular object that spans thousands of miles through which petroleum can be simply pumped... oh wait ,they have .

But the Dems will oppose it because they are in bed with THEIR corporate cronies like Warren Buffett who think it's much better to use mid-19th century technology to transport fuel .

I can't work out whether you are for or against pipelines or is it you just don't want them subsidised? I would have thought that the accident in Canada finished the debate. Public safety wins, but then again if you aren't interested in public safety where guns are concerned what's a little oil between friends?

Pipelines are infrastructure ;are a necessary alternative to transport by truck or train . I don't know what you mean by "subsidized " .That is irrelevant . They travel through both private and public lands so the government has to be involved . I am a fan of user fees paying for bonds issued to finance them. Where they travel though private lands ,fair compensation should be given to the land owner.
But they are so superior over the alternatives there is no debate . Waste and other products are on the railways and trucks going through the center of every town. Pipelines are usually taken through the rural areas and can have "sufficient set back" that ensures public safety.

And it's (again not unexpectedly) come to this...


Wal-Mart Canceling Plans for Three D.C. Stores Over 'Living Wage' Bill (http://dcist.com/2013/07/wal-mart_canceling_plans_for_at_lea.php)

Wal-Mart is pulling out of two, possibly three, D.C. sites where it planned to build stores, citing the D.C. Council's impending adoption of a bill mandating large retailers pay a "living wage" to employees. The bill, which passed the on its first vote last month, will be put to a final tally Wednesday during the Council's final meeting of the current legislative session.

Representatives from Wal-Mart say the company will no longer build its planned stores at Skyland Town Center and Capitol Gateway, retail sites in Ward 7. "They're not bluffing me," Councilmember Yvette Alexander (D-Ward 7) says, having just left a meeting with the world's largest retailer. "We worked for many years to get this commitment. I really didn't think it would get to this point."

The Large Retailer Accountability Act requires companies that take in at least $1 billion in revenue annually to pay their employees at least $12.50 an hour, well above the District's minimum wage of $8.25. The bill also only applies to stores that are at least 75,000 square feet, thus exempting companies like Apple and Starbucks.

In addition to the two Ward 7 stores, Alexander's chief of staff, Ed Fisher, also says Wal-Mart's move imperils a store planned for New York Avenue and Bladensburg Road NE. Councilmember Kenyan McDuffie (D-Ward 5), who represents that area, was one of eight "yes" votes on the bill's first reading.

"That was without knowing Wal-Mart was going to pull out," says Jeannette Mobley, McDuffie's chief of staff. Mobley says her boss is "going to give this some thought" before tomorrow's Council session.

Fisher says each planned Walmart was going to have at least 300 full- and part-time employees, as well as enhance food shopping options in Ward 7, where there are only four full-service supermarkets. "We're going to have fewer options for groceries and commercial retail," Fisher says. "At least 900 people won't have an opportuntiy whether it's full-time or part-time. Whether it's a student in high school or a senior or a job someone can use as a stepping stone."

So, leftie favorites like Apple and Starbucks get a pass on the "living wage" law while the evil giant does not. Instead of 900 people making minimum wage they get 900 people without jobs who can buy iPhones and mochas instead of reasonably priced food and other necessities. Liberal logic at its best.

That's OK... if Walmart isn't their to hire ,they can always fall back on the nations 2nd largest employer... Kelly Temps

leftie favorites like Apple and StarbucksPretty sure those establishments are full of rightys too. Usually rightys can't figure out an Android so they go to iPhone, and they buy an overprices Starbucks coffee to drink in their Hummer because they can.

BTW how do you leave 900 people without jobs related to stores that haven't been built yet? The article clearly states they were "opportunities".

Pretty sure those establishments are full of rightys too. Usually rightys can't figure out an Android so they go to iPhone, and they buy an overprices Starbucks coffee to drink in their Hummer because they can.

Ok. I love Starbucks coffee, we grind up some Sumatra, Italian roast or some other bold beans almost every day. I've tried all manner of roasts including some locals but I keep coming back to theirs. But the product has little to do with why Apple and Starbucks are leftie favorites while Walmart is the scourge of the earth to them (even though Starbucks proudly sells their coffee in Walmart).


BTW how do you leave 900 people without jobs related to stores that haven't been built yet? The article clearly states they were "opportunities".

Do you take everything so literal? What a bore. It was 900 new jobs, what do you not get about that?

And it's (again not unexpectedly) come to this...



So, leftie favorites like Apple and Starbucks get a pass on the "living wage" law while the evil giant does not. Instead of 900 people making minimum wage they get 900 people without jobs who can buy iPhones and mochas instead of reasonably priced food and other necessities. Liberal logic at its best.

THis is local to me... there is a lot more to this that never makes it into the story.

DC wastes money on absolutely stupid things... MOST of the councel have been under investigation for one thing or other... several have been jailed.

Meanwhile they are famous for corruption that makes Nancy Pelosi look like a saint. I believe only Chicago as a city is more corrupt.

And they are back with the Lets screw it to the successful businesses... by setting up two classes of rules... one to punish the successful and another for the rest.

I rarely shop at Walmart... but I am 100% behind them telling the blohards in the DC councel to get stuffed.

Because the stuff they try to pull around here... and frequently do and get away with would fill volumes.

There are really good reasons so many businesses avoid DC like the plague. Most just don't even make plans to begin with... I've been watching one property that has been on hold for over 6 months in the middle of renovations because of the red tape... meanwhile the people TRYING to open that buiness are having to pay rent... and we are talking nearly $30,000 a month... while nothing gets done... renovations are maybe 20% commplete and the city is holding things up... I've watched another nearby where they have kept renovations from being completed for the last several years.

And this is near Georgetown... not Anacostia. The high rent district where the money is.

THis is local to me....there is a lot more to this that never makes it into the story.

DC wastes money on absolutely stupid things....MOST of the councel have been under investigation for one thing or other....several have been jailed.

Meanwhile they are famous for corruption that makes Nancy Pelosi look like a saint. I believe only Chicago as a city is more corrupt.

And they are back with the Lets screw it to the successful businesses.....by setting up two classes of rules....one to punish the successful and another for the rest.

I rarely shop at Walmart...but I am 100% behind them telling the blohards in the DC councel to get stuffed.

Because the stuff they try to pull around here...and frequently do and get away with would fill volumes.

Except they carve out exceptions for some of the successful as I noted before.

What are the wages they are paying at Apple and Starbucks?

Living wage goes against greedy rich guy thinking.

What are the wages they are paying at Apple and Starbucks?

IN DC starting salary is about $9.00 at Starbucks (http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Starbucks-Barista-Washington-DC-Hourly-Pay-EJI_IE2202.0,9_KO10,17_IL.18,31_IM911.htm) and around $10 at Apple stores as best I can tell.

So, what's better, $8.50 per hour or nothing per hour?

Living wage goes against greedy rich guy thinking.

Maybe if more people actually studied and finished High school... they could get jobs that paid more.

Jobs are paid based on their value to the business... if a trained monkey can do the job... its not worth much.

Particularly in DC where the graduation rate is abisimal. In fact it's the lowest in the country.

D.C. has lowest graduation rate in the U.S. - WTOP.com (http://www.wtop.com/41/3136922/DC-has-lowest-graduation-rate-in-the-US)

Next they are going to force homeowners to employ drug addict dropouts if they want to or not. Because they have more money than the dropout has.

Living wage goes against greedy rich guy thinking.

Would you pay some 16 year old pimply faced kid that's glued to his phone most of the day $12.50 an hour on his first job to take money at the drive-up window?

The Walmart by me hires this geezer with a karakoe machine so he can be the greeter.. He sings a mean 'Tie a Yellow Ribbon' . Doubt he complains about slave wages.

Would you pay a 22 year old with a kid and no car whose wife works taking money at a drive up window $12.50 an hour?

Would you pay a 22 year old with a kid and no car whose wife works taking money at a drive up window $12.50 an hour?

Why should someone with a kid make more doing the same job as someone that didn't have a kid because they were more responsible with their lives?

And why should any of them get paid more than they are worth if none of them have a marketible job skill?

Why would he take that job ? I'd tell him to go to North Dakota and make some real money in the oil fields . If I was a yound pup that's where I'd be going .

Maybe if more people actually studied and finished High school......they could get jobs that paid more.

Jobs are paid based on their value to the business....if a trained monkey can do the job....its not worth much.

Particularly in DC where the graduation rate is abisimal. In fact it's the lowest in the country.

D.C. has lowest graduation rate in the U.S. - WTOP.com (http://www.wtop.com/41/3136922/DC-has-lowest-graduation-rate-in-the-US)

Next they are going to forcethomeowners to employ drug addict dropouts if they want to or not. Because they have more money than the dropout has.

What do you expect when you force poor people to send their kids to failing union-controlled public schools? Some people get it...

Christie wins endorsement of black ministers, who call for school vouchers (http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/07/christie_wins_endorsement_of_black_ministers_who_c all_for_school_vouchers.html)

While some, teachers unions, don't care about the kids...

Letter to the Democrats in the House and Senate on DC Vouchers (http://www.nea.org/home/30906.htm)

What do you expect when you force poor people to send their kids to failing union-controlled public schools? Some people get it...

Christie wins endorsement of black ministers, who call for school vouchers (http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/07/christie_wins_endorsement_of_black_ministers_who_c all_for_school_vouchers.html)

While some, teachers unions, don't care about the kids...

Letter to the Democrats in the House and Senate on DC Vouchers (http://www.nea.org/home/30906.htm)

Yeah.. the schools suck.. thanks to the unions and bad teachers... but the students and their families share some of the blame as well... by causeing disruptions in school and not taking advantage of what they do have available to them...

Most of us would have gotten our butts spanked if we acted up in school... and gotten it again when we got home.

Why do some people not just pack up and leave and get a better job with a wife and kid, and no car? That's a lot of planning and garnering of resources that may take a while. Maybe years give the situation, and their I no guarantee of being hired to do something you have never done before with no skills or training.

Geez Tom, an old guy like you knows you don't just walk in and make skilled labor wages. Young guy find that out immediately, if they are hired.

Why do some people not just pack up and leave and get a better job with a wife and kid, and no car? That's a lot of planning and garnering of resources that may take a while. Maybe years give the situation, and their I no guarantee of being hired to do something you have never done before with no skills or training.

Geez Tom, an old guy like you knows you don't just walk in and make skilled labor wages. Young guy find that out immediately, if they are hired.

Where are their priorities if they have a wife AND a kid and they don't even have a car to get to work yet?

Hell... why are they even out having kids if they don't have a wife OR a job yet much less a car.

Priorities.. its all about priorities.

You are kidding right ? They are taking walk-ins in N Dokota with no history and putting them on a pay to train program . People are going to the towns where the fields are and getting $15- 18 /hr wages at Micky Ds.. . and getting signing bonuses to boot.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/01/pf/America_boomtown_education/index.htm?iid=SF_PF_River

I moved when I was young married with a child . You have to go where the opportunities are .

That's great for the guy and gal that are there and can get there.

Greyhound Buses go almost everywhere.. and are cheap.

Make it happen... that's the American way. You champion people who leave everything behind and come to this country illegally for the opportunity... but you think American youth are a bunch of pu$$ys who can't do anything if it requires effort and a little inconvenience. If that's the prevailing attitude here we are screwed !

make it happen ... that's the American way. You champion people who leave everything behind and come to this country illegally for the opportunity ....but you think American youth are a bunch of pu$$ys who can't do anything if it requires effort and a little inconvenience. If that's the prevailing attitude here we are screwed !

Why work when the nanny can take care of you?

Also... my wife has had a full time job for almost 20 years...

She doesn't have a car.( I have more than a few however)... she doesn't even have a drivers license, and never has... and is almost 50. And she doesn't work within walking distance either. And we don't work at the same place.

And we aren't city dwellers.

It's come to this... more smart government at work:


US agency baffled by modern technology, destroys mice to get rid of viruses (http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/us-agency-baffled-by-modern-technology-destroys-mice-to-get-rid-of-viruses/)

The Economic Development Administration (EDA) is an agency in the Department of Commerce that promotes economic development in regions of the US suffering slow growth, low employment, and other economic problems. In December 2011, the Department of Homeland Security notified both the EDA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) that there was a possible malware infection within the two agencies' systems.

The NOAA isolated and cleaned up the problem within a few weeks.

The EDA, however, responded by cutting its systems off from the rest of the world—disabling its enterprise e-mail system and leaving its regional offices no way of accessing centrally held databases.

It then recruited an outside security contractor to look for malware and provide assurances that not only were EDA's systems clean, but also that they were impregnable against malware. The contractor, after some initial false positives, declared the systems largely clean but was unable to provide this guarantee. Malware was found on six systems, but it was easily repaired by reimaging the affected machines.

EDA's CIO, fearing that the agency was under attack from a nation-state, insisted instead on a policy of physical destruction. The EDA destroyed not only (uninfected) desktop computers but also printers, cameras, keyboards, and even mice. The destruction only stopped—sparing $3 million of equipment—because the agency had run out of money to pay for destroying the hardware.

The total cost to the taxpayer of this incident was $2.7 million: $823,000 went to the security contractor for its investigation and advice, $1,061,000 for the acquisition of temporary infrastructure (requisitioned from the Census Bureau), $4,300 to destroy $170,500 in IT equipment, and $688,000 paid to contractors to assist in development of a long-term response. Full recovery took close to a year.

And of course you people still want the government in charge of your health. How stupid.

And of course you still want private bureaucrats in charge of your healthcare... and your doctor. Still haven't read the article by Steven Brill in Time magazine have you?

I'd rather have them in charge of it than elected officials (few of whom are able to tie their own shoes) or political appointees with no accountability.

Are you daft? You still get screwed.

Are you daft? You still get screwed.

I've had better care the 52 years I've been alive than people with socialized healthcare get... and I've lived in countriues with it to say that from first hand experience.

And besides... if Obamacare was so great... why is the President and everyone in Congress and the Senate exempt from it.

Fact is it sucks.. and they know it... thats why they exempted themselves from it.

It's come to this ///
NY state public school system publishes a summer reading list for it's students that has over 30 spelling errors in it .
New York school district issues reading list riddled with errors, including 'Great Gypsy' | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/10/new-york-school-district-issues-reading-list-riddled-with-errors-including-great/#ixzz2YfIVUBGH)

It's come to this

Apple guilty of e-books price fixing
Apple guilty of e-books price fixing - Technology & Science - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2013/07/10/business-apple-ebooks.html)

I bet that's not the only market where price fixing occurs.

And of course you still want private bureaucrats in charge of your healthcare..........and your doctor. Still haven't read the article by Steven Brill in Time magazine have you?

I'm the only one that's ever been in charge of my health care, and I'd like to keep it that way.

I'm an Amazon Kindle kind of guy.. Even they are over-priced but it's great to carry many books around in an electronic device. Just finished Dan Brown's 'Inferno'. Good book although I'm kind of disappointed that he appears to be buying into that Malthusian time bomb myth.

It's come to this ///
NY state public school system publishes a summer reading list for it's students that has over 30 spelling errors in it .
New York school district issues reading list riddled with errors, including 'Great Gypsy' | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/10/new-york-school-district-issues-reading-list-riddled-with-errors-including-great/#ixzz2YfIVUBGH)

The Great Gypsy, eh? Wasn't she a burlesque dancer?

I've had better care the 52 years I've been alive than people with socialized healthcare get...and I've lived in countriues with it to say that from first hand experience.

And besides.....if Obamacare was so great...why is the President and everyone in Congress and the Senate exempt from it.

Fact is it sucks..and they know it...thats why they exempted themselves from it.

They are the like it you can keep it crowd, and they like it.

Evidently so are you.

They are the like it you can keep it crowd, and they like it.

Evidently so are you.

I've had great care... the Obamacare crowd is the I don't have it and neither shouild you crowd,

Like a basket of live blue crabs... you don't need a lid on it because they keep any of the others from crawling out by pulling any that try to crawl out to safety back in.

The Great Gypsy, eh? Wasn't she a burlesque dancer?

Knowing the public school system... they probibly show videos of her. While banning Huckleberry Finn.

I've had great care.....the Obamacare crowd is the I don't have it and neither shouild you crowd,


That's a load of BALONEY. It's you that don't want others to have what you have.

That's a load of BALONEY. It's you that don't want others to have what you have.

If they weren't such cheap S O B's they could go out and pay for it like I am... I'm certainly not getting it for free.

That's a load of BALONEY. It's you that don't want others to have what you have.

Me personally? I want everyone to succeed and have it all, I just don't believe in the Robin Hood method of getting there.

Me personally? I want everyone to succeed and have it all, I just don't believe in the Robin Hood method of getting there.

Even if the sheriff is stealing?

If they weren't such cheap S O B's they could go out and pay for it like I am....I'm certainly not getting it for free.

So you don't mind paying for their emergency room visits? Cool.

I don't.

So you don't mind paying for their emergency room visits? Cool.

I don't.
They should get it or be turned away...

You aren't allowed to wait to get car insurance until AFTER you wreck your car, you aren't allowed to wait to get homeowners or renters insurance until AFTER you need to file a claim...

You pay for the insurance when you don't need it, because some day you WILL need it... that's how it works.

But heaven forbid any of them make a sacrifice to pay for it... because that would be inhuman.

Even if the sheriff is stealing?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

It's come to this...

Dems pitch national park on the moon (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/309829-dems-propose-historical-park-on-the-moon)

Got to protect it from visitors trampling and trashing the place you know. But I must ask, when did the moon become a US territory? Or is it the 58th state Obama was going to visit?

P.S. It would be the perfect place for liberal moonbats.

They should get it or be turned away....

You aren't allowed to wait to get car insurance until AFTER you wreck your car, you aren't allowed to wait to get homeowners or renters insurance until AFTER you need to file a claim....

You pay for the insurance when you don't need it, because some day you WILL need it....that's how it works.

But heaven forbid any of them make a sacrifice to pay for it.....because that would be inhuman.

So you agree with the mandate that requires the uninsured to get insurance? That amazing progress Smoothy.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

What should the hungry poor peasants do?

So you agree with the mandate that requires the uninsured to get insurance? That amazing progress Smoothy.

I believe the Federal government has absolutely no legal or constitutional business telling anyone what insurance they have to buy.

It's the legal right of the cheap and stupid to die from lack of treatment because they decided NOT to buy coverage.

I also believe the Supreme court should invalidate ANY law that the Senate, White House, or Congress has exempted themselves from under the equal protection Clause. Or at least invalidate any exclusion written into them.

I also believe the Supreme court should invalidate ANY law that the Senate, White House, or Congress has exempted themselves from under the equal protection Clause. Or at least invalidate any exclusion written into them.

Written into what?

Written into what?

Back up a few words before that and it's there...

In the US there is a legal concept of severability in laws... it determines if portions of laws can be held invalid without tossing out the entire law. If it is or isn't depends on the exact wording of the law.

Back up a few words before that and its there....

In the US there is a legal concept of severability in laws....it determines if portions of laws can be held invalid without tossing out the entire law. If it is or isn't depends on the exact wording of the law.

Apparently Obamacare doesn't have a serverability clause.

Apparently Obamacare doesn't have a serverability clause.

That's what I remember them ruling on... since it can't be implied.. but has to be specifically written into the law that it is.

A well written law does... otherwise any one part that's ruled unconstitutional means the entire thing is.

Its been ruled on and its law... Debate over.

Its been ruled on and its law............Debate over.

No its not... ANY law can be repealed... and its NOT over yet.

Apparently Obamacare doesn't have a serverability clause.

Yes , if SCOTUS found the personal mandate unconstitutional then conceivably the whole law could've been struck. However ,instead Chief Justice Roberts found a new definition for the word "tax " .

No its not...ANY law can be repealed....and its NOT over yet.

You have tried 40 times, failed, and just getting started?

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. What do they call that?

You have tried 40 times, failed, and just getting started?

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. What do they call that?

The left keeps doing that... and has for decades... we can do it too... besides... another 3.5 years and the terrorist in chief WILL be forever OUT of the white house... and even before then when we take back the Senate.. we can bury a rider into every law and bill that repeals it... like so many other things get hidden.. and when he signs is.. it will stop being law.

The left doesn't give up trying to ram interspecies marriage down everyone's throats... or trying to repeal the second amendment... we aren't going to stop until this is repealed... no matter how long it takes.

ram interspecies marriage down everyone's throatsWhat's that? Who is doing that?

What's that? Who is doing that?

If you can't define a marriage as between a man and a woman... then legally anything goes.

True but I think (or hope ) that humans draw the line with bestiality . However ,it does open the door to polygamy... and possibly age of consent laws.

If you can't define a marriage as between a man and a woman... then legally anything goes.That's not what I asked. You said:

ram interspecies marriage down everyone's throats I want to know who is doing that. Link me to your proof.

true but I think (or hope ) that humans draw the line with beastiality . However ,it does open the door to polygamy .....and possibly age of consent laws.

How so?

However ,it does open the door to polygamy... and possibly age of consent laws.is this something you foresee for yourself? Multiple wives or marrying a 12 year old girl?

That's not what I asked. You said:
I want to know who is doing that. Link me to your proof.Ramming ANYTHING but HETEROSEXUAL marriage down out throats is all the same... and you don't even have to leave this forum to find ample evidence of that.

Ramming ANYTHING but HETEROSEXUAL marriage down out throats is all the sameSo that's your logic: unless the government is ramming ramming uniquely heterosexual marriage to all citizens it is ramming inter-species marriage (such as a spider and a dolphin) down your throat. Did I get that right?

So that's your logic: unless the government is ramming ramming uniquely heterosexual marriage to all citizens it is ramming inter-species marriage (such as a spider and a dolphin) down your throat. Did I get that right?

Not my logic... its Liberal tactics... decades of liberal tactics. At least here in the USA.

It's come to this...

'Raise your voice, not your hands,' cops urge as Zimmerman verdict looms (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justice/florida-zimmerman-backlash)

That's right, Broward county is running a PSA telling people not to riot if George Zimmerman is acquitted, which if the prosecution's handling of the case indicates is likely to happen. So what are they saying by running such a PSA?

So what are they saying by running such a PSA?Not to riot.

is this something you foresee for yourself? Multiple wives or marrying a 12 year old girl?

And you can try doing it to yourself

Not to riot.

Who exactly is prone to riot?

Aw, I see, you want people to say "black people", right?

and you can try doing it to yourselfI didn't bring it up as a possibility, you did, so it's something you've thought about. I didn't even consider it.

Aw, I see, you want people to say "black people", right?

There's a reason they put out this PSA and it says something about our society, what would that be? It's not a trap, it's a serious question - and if people are afraid to answer it that says something, too.

How so?

Easy ;already polygamists are trying to make their cause the next civil rights cause. They may have a case . Since the definition is being redifined from ONE man and ONE women then why restrict it to one partner ?

Age of consent laws are arbitrary anyway and have fluctuated over the years . There is already a proposal in England to lower the age of consent to 13 to protect adult pervs who have sex with teen girls . Here in the US NAMBLA has actively campaigned to lower the age of consent laws for years so they can get it on with boys.

it says something about our societyThere's no doubt, kind like these riots:

Lakers Riot 2010 - Unlawful Revelers - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPTUbirMNL4)

Rioting breaks out after Kentucky basketball match - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfxidak_FQQ)

Hello:

Black people aren't stupid. Bill O'Reilly thinks they're stupid (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oreillys-provocative-question-to-panel-if-zimmermans-acquitted-will-violence-erupt-in-the-streets/).. He thinks they can't tell the difference between white COPS getting off after they beat up a black guy, and George Zimmerman getting off.. But, there's BIG differences..

One case represents the power of the state vs black people. The jury got it WRONG, and EVERYBODY knew it. That really pissed black people off, as it SHOULD have. They took to the streets as they SHOULD have. That's how the world demonstrates its outrage. I was outraged too.

The Zimmerman case doesn't represent the power of the state against black people... It's not even close to that... Maybe schmuck Bill O'Reilly can't tell the difference, but your ordinary black person on the street can... Will an acquittal of Zimmerman outrage me?? Yawnnn..

Now, will there be some disturbances?? Probably. It's HOT. Unemployment is HIGH among black youth. But, THAT'LL be the reason they make trouble - not the Zimmerman trial.

excon

Age of consent laws are arbitrary anywayNo they aren't.

There's no doubt, kind like these riots:

Lakers Riot 2010 - Unlawful Revelers - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPTUbirMNL4)

Rioting breaks out after Kentucky basketball match - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfxidak_FQQ)

Sorry dude, drunks getting out of hand is not the issue.

Rioting is the issue. Why do you dismiss it when it's not blacks doing it? It doesn't serve the point you want to make about blacks? Say it instead of hinting at it.

Hello:

Black people aren't stupid. Bill O'Reilly thinks they're stupid (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oreillys-provocative-question-to-panel-if-zimmermans-acquitted-will-violence-erupt-in-the-streets/).. He thinks they can't tell the difference between white COPS getting off after they beat up a black guy, and George Zimmerman getting off.. But, there's BIG differences..

One case represents the power of the state vs black people. The jury got it WRONG, and EVERYBODY knew it. That really pissed black people off, as it SHOULD have. They took to the streets as they SHOULD have. That's how the world demonstrates its outrage. I was outraged too.

The Zimmerman case doesn't represent the power of the state against black people... It's not even close to that... Maybe schmuck Bill O'Reilly can't tell the difference, but your ordinary black person on the street can... Will an acquittal of Zimmerman outrage me??? Yawnnn..

Now, will there be some disturbances??? Probably. It's HOT. Unemployment is HIGH among black youth. But, THAT'LL be the reason they make trouble - not the Zimmerman trial.

excon

Maybe if they put half the effort into graduating high school as they put into posing as thugs... they might find a job... there are reasons so many of them can't get jobs... and its got nothing to do with the color of their skin.

Hello:

Black people aren't stupid. Bill O'Reilly thinks they're stupid (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oreillys-provocative-question-to-panel-if-zimmermans-acquitted-will-violence-erupt-in-the-streets/).. He thinks they can't tell the difference between white COPS getting off after they beat up a black guy, and George Zimmerman getting off.. But, there's BIG differences..

I fail to see how that means O'Reilly thinks blacks are stupid.


One case represents the power of the state vs black people. The jury got it WRONG, and EVERYBODY knew it. That really pissed black people off, as it SHOULD have. They took to the streets as they SHOULD have. That's how the world demonstrates its outrage. I was outraged too.

No one likes rogue cops.


The Zimmerman case doesn't represent the power of the state against black people... It's not even close to that... Maybe schmuck Bill O'Reilly can't tell the difference, but your ordinary black person on the street can... Will an acquittal of Zimmerman outrage me?? Yawnnn..

Now, will there be some disturbances?? Probably. It's HOT. Unemployment is HIGH among black youth. But, THAT'LL be the reason they make trouble - not the Zimmerman trial.


Yeah, the Sheriff put out a 'don't riot' PSA because it's hot.

Rioting is the issue. Why do you dismiss it when it's not blacks doing it? It doesn't serve the point you want to make about blacks? Go ahead and say it instead of hinting at it.

You people are priceless. You will not find anywhere that I've dismissed rioting except in your mind and it isn't me afraid to say it, it's you. Even ex said it, he just wants us to believe blacks will spontaneously riot because it's hot right after Zimmerman is acquitted.

Who exactly is prone to riot?So what is your answer to this question you posed?

So what is your answer to this question you posed?

You first, I'm the one who asked it. That's the point of questions, to get an answer from someone else.

Hello again, Steve:

Yeah, the Sheriff put out a 'don't riot' PSA because it's hot. Nahhhh... The sheriff has NO clue about the black community any more than Bill O'Reilly does, or smoothy either, for that matter...

Here's an example (http://mediamatters.org/research/2007/09/21/oreilly-surprised-there-was-no-difference-betwe/139893) of O'Reilly's STUPIDITY about black people.
Discussing his recent dinner with Rev. Al Sharpton at the Harlem restaurant Sylvia's, Bill O'Reilly reported that he "couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship." O'Reilly added: "There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M-Fer, I want more iced tea.' " I'm SURE he thinks those M-Fers are going to riot...

Excon

No they aren't.

Yes they are .there is no Federal standard and the age of consent does vary from state to state .

is running a PSA telling people not to riot if George Zimmerman is acquitted,No, that not what the article or PSA says. They mention that either group may protest based on the verdict that gets handed down:
"Anticipating that the outcome of the very public, and racially-tinged, case is likely to disappoint one swath of the population or another, law enforcement agencies have set up a response plan."

Why did you automatically assume that the verdict is acquittal?

there is no Federal standard and the age of consent does vary from state to state .So because of equal rights for gays you expect states to lower the marrying age to 12? This is the logic you run your life with?

Maybe the sheriff is afraid that the Holder Justice Dept will send organizers down to agitate .
Documents Obtained by Judicial Watch Detail Role of Justice Department in Organizing Trayvon Martin Protests | Judicial Watch (http://www.judicialwatch.org./press-room/press-releases/documents-obtained-by-judicial-watch-detail-role-of-justice-department-in-organizing-trayvon-martin-protests/)

Haha, the article is cased on "documents" that don't exist. Nothing to see here folks. More right-wing bulls!ht.

Haha, the article is cased on "documents" that don't exist. Nothing to see here folks. More right-wing bulls!ht.

Only in your imagination... there actually ARE documents backing it up... they were released yesterday. Freedom of information act stuff...

Hello tom:

maybe the sheriff is afraid that the Holder Justice Dept will send organizers down to agitate . Or, keep the peace. From your link, this is what they were there for.
“to provide technical assistance for the preparation of possible marches and rallies related to the fatal shooting of a 17-year-old African American male.More from your link:
“Congratulations to our partners, Thomas Battles, Regional Director, and Mildred De Robles, Miami-Dade Coordinator and their co-workers at the U.S. Department of Justice Community Relations Service for their outstanding and ongoing efforts to reduce tensions and build bridges of understanding and respect in Sanford, Florida” following a news article in the Orlando Sentinel about the secretive “peacekeepers.”

In reply to that message, Battles said: “Thank you Partner. You did lots of stuff behind the scene to make Miami a success. We will continue to work together.” He signed the email simply Tommy.

Carswell responded: “That’s why we make the big bucks.”If, like the supposed IRS scandal, you were LOOKING for stuff that isn't there, this document provides that.

Excon

No, that not what the article or PSA says. They mention that either group may protest based on the verdict that gets handed down:
"Anticipating that the outcome of the very public, and racially-tinged, case is likely to disappoint one swath of the population or another, law enforcement agencies have set up a response plan."

Why did you automatically assume that the verdict is acquittal?

Yes, one group or another may be upset but after all these months of the left and their media accomplices making this about a "white Hispanic" killing a black kid "for wearing a hoodie" no one seriously expects violence if Zimmerman is convicted. Even the CNN article reminds us "Zimmerman is a white Hispanic" on trial for killing a "black teen."

Our own DOJ appears to have facilitated protests (http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/documents-obtained-by-judicial-watch-detail-role-of-justice-department-in-organizing-trayvon-martin-protests/) demanding Zimmerman's prosecution, so let's not pretend this is about anything more than convicting Zimmerman and the possible outrage over an acquittal, which I did not "automatically assume" would happen.

Haha, the article is cased on "documents" that don't exist. Nothing to see here folks. More right-wing bulls!ht.

Nothing to see here, that's the entire left's excuse for every scandal. Where did you get this stupid idea that these documents don't exist?

I guess that's what the lefties on the Canadaian news are saying... and if its on TV it must be true... just like if its on the internet it must be true.


Makes me think the Canadaians News services are even worse about reality than the lame stream media here is.

I saw my first case of fraud in journalism back in th emid 1980's whe I was the closest eye witness to a shooting and a small fight between three guys. I was there before the fight... during the fight... and well after the ploice left... and after the ambulance left... somehow a three person fight that lasted all of 45 seconds before one guy shot the other and took off running... morphed into a riot that required police to break up... if you believed the news... by the way... there was never a riot by Anyone's definition... three guys in a minor fight isn't a riot even if one shot gets fired.

Keep in mind only two cops ever showed up and weren't there more than 20 minutes... and the people that left were long gone by then.. and the ambulance had come and gone long before they got there. Oddly enough the police never even walked the 20 feet to talk with me or ask me anything about it.

2 hours later I got home.. watch the news to see if I was on it... and not ONE of the news stations even got it right... never mind none of them were there... none.. not even one.

They ALL got it wrong... and the only station that was close... got the name of one of the clubs right (though only ONE member was even involved)... but nothing else.

That woke me up and I've seen so many more over the years I trust nothing I see on the TV news...

CNN's coverage of the first GUlf war was scripted and a huge joke as well.

Where did you get this stupid idea that these documents don't exist?Because I went to the link posted. The text link "documents" went to a page where there were no documents to show. If there were they would have been there since that's that the contextual link refers to.

Hello tom:
Or, keep the peace. From your link, this is what they were there for. More from your link: If, like the supposed IRS scandal, you were LOOKING for stuff that isn't there, this document provides that.

excon

Yeah "peace keepers " lol All the emperor's men know is "community organizing " .

The documents exist all right, they just don't say what your side says they say. But that never stopped you guy from hollering your spin like it's a fact/crisis/scandal. That just what you do.

Actually they do... and the ad produced by Obamas organizers are promoting protests and riots... rather than just growing up and dealing with the fact another thug from the projectsgot his butt killed because he deserved it. Picking a fight in someone else's neighborhood.

Because I went to the link posted. The text link "documents" went to a page where there were no documents to show. If there were they would have been there since that's that the contextual link refers to.

Apparently you don't surf the web much, a link doesn't always go where you expect. But if you'll look at where the article actually refers to the documents (at "According to the documents:")there are links to each one referenced.

Do you really think Judicial Watch is going to reference nonexistent documents? Duh.

The documents exist alright, they just don't say what your side says they say. But that never stopped you guy from hollering your spin like it's a fact/crisis/scandal. That just what you do.

You wouldn't acknowledge an Obama admin scandal if it bit you on the a$$, but I digress.

So I ask you, after all of the agitators making this about a "white Hispanic" killing a "black teen" do you expect a riot if Zimmerman is convicted?

Yes, one group or another may be upset but after all these months of the left and their media accomplices making this about a "white Hispanic" killing a black kid "for wearing a hoodie" no one seriously expects violence if Zimmerman is convicted. Even the CNN article reminds us "Zimmerman is a white Hispanic" on trial for killing a "black teen."

Our own DOJ appears to have facilitated protests (http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/documents-obtained-by-judicial-watch-detail-role-of-justice-department-in-organizing-trayvon-martin-protests/) demanding Zimmerman's prosecution, so let's not pretend this is about anything more than convicting Zimmerman and the possible outrage over an acquittal, which I did not "automatically assume" would happen.

No way a black kid has a right to stand his ground in his own neighborhood.

No way a black kid has a right to stand his ground in his own neighborhood.

Trayvon wasn't in his own neighborhood... Zimmerman was. Not even the prosecution was trying to claim he was.

No way a black kid has a right to stand his ground in his own neighborhood.

So, you think Zimmerman gets acquitted and it's all because the kid is black and Zimmerman is "white"?

No it's because someone died and the person that killed him goes free.

Apparently you don't surf the web much, a link doesn't always go where you expect.Actually it's part of my job to make sure links go where they are supposed to, every day at work. I don't tell you how to sell security items do I?

No it's because someone died and the person that killed him goes free.

Let me spell this out for you since you are Canadian and can't grasp this concept.

We here in the United states... have the right to kill someone in self defense if we are being attacked and even THINK our life is in danger..

We even have the right to kill people who break into our house... and they don't have to have a gun first either.

We here in the United States don't grant more rights to the criminals than we grant the law abiding citizens.

Actually it's part of my job to make sure links go where they are supposed to, every day at work. I don't tell you how to sell security items do I?

Apparently you need help finding simple, appropriately located stuff on a website. They're all there:

Trayvon wasn't in his own neighborhood... Zimmerman was. Not even the prosecution was trying to claim he was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin


The Retreat at Twin Lakes is a 260-unit gated townhome community in Sanford, Florida.[84][85] The population in the development at the time of the shooting, was about 49% non-Hispanic white, 23% Hispanic(of any race), 20% black, and 5% Asian, according to Census figures.[72] Both George Zimmerman and Tracy Martin's fiancee were renting homes in the development when the shooting occurred.[45] At the time of the shooting, Martin had been staying with his father's fiancee at The Retreat.[86]

The neighborhood watch captain didn't know his neighbor, and apparently what street he was on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin



The neighborhood watch captain didn't know his neighbor, and apparently what street he was on.

YOu are aware wikipedia is highly inaccurate.

Trayvon lived in the progects... this all happened to be in a GATED community where Zimmerman actually lived... one where Trayvon had no business casing houses in at night... And I'm not surprised he didn't lknow the names of EVERY street... I've owned my house for 17 years and I couldn't tell you the names of every street in a 3 minute walk from my front door.

They're all there:Thanks. I totally missed, my apologies.

But it looks like they are going as peacemakers which is their stated mandate. What's wrong with that?

You're a card Smoothy, and I guess you have a credible link to he was casing the place while staying with his FATHER.

You wouldn't acknowledge an Obama admin scandal if it bit you on the a$$, but I digress.

So I ask you, after all of the agitators making this about a "white Hispanic" killing a "black teen" do you expect a riot if Zimmerman is convicted?

Ahhh Zimmerman's just a crazy a$$ cracker . Now the prosecutor wants to convince the jury that while he was on his back on the ground being pummelled and having his brains beat in ;that he was committing child abuse.

Thanks. I totally missed, my apologies.

But it looks like they are going as peacemakers which is their stated mandate. What's wrong with that?

Is providing " support for protest deployment " peace keeping ? Sort of like the New Black Panthers providing crowd control assistance at Philadelphia election locations.

Your a card Smoothy, and I guess you have a credible link to he was casing the place while staying with his FATHER.

Don't need one... his body was found in a gatted community where he did NOT live... where the very definition of GATED means one doesn't simply casually wander through it... or it wouldn't be gated...

I used to take walks around the retirement community my mom lived in. I can assure you that the neighborhood watch was very active and alert .

" support for protest deployment " peace keeping ?I don't know - what did they do?

Hello tom:

is providing " support for protest deployment "Hello again, tom:

The problem I have, is with your belief that long term civil service employees would throw their careers into the dumper, in order to engage in political conduct... I don't believe IRS employees would do that, and I don't believe Justice Department employees would do that...

I would have the SAME position if it was the left accusing civil service workers of doing dirty work for Republicans...

Excon

Hello tom:
Hello again, tom:

The problem I have, is with your belief that long term civil service employees would throw their careers into the dumper, in order to engage in political conduct... I don't believe IRS employees would do that, and I don't believe Justice Department employees would do that...

I would have the SAME position if it was the left accusing civil service workers of doing dirty work for Republicans...

excon

The IRS people got caught doing it... red handed... and no doubt Justice Dept people aren't above it either... look at how they arbitrarily decide what laws they are going to ignore after all.

Just because they managed to get a job with the government doesn't mean they are above doing impropper and even illegal things.

Look at how many cops end up in jail every year... I know Washington DC isn't the only place that's had over 90 put in jail in less than the last decade.

Its just become quite common under THIS administration.

Fast and Furious were Erik Holder was arming the Mexican Drug cartels is well known.. and he's still running on the loose.

I'm sure if either of us sold even ONE gun to a drug dealer... we'd be in a Cell right now.

Hello tom:
Hello again, tom:

The problem I have, is with your belief that long term civil service employees would throw their careers into the dumper, in order to engage in political conduct... I don't believe IRS employees would do that, and I don't believe Justice Department employees would do that...

I would have the SAME position if it was the left accusing civil service workers of doing dirty work for Republicans...

excon

Do you think it is the civil service employee acting on their own ? Nahh ,their political bosses are calling the shot. If Eric Holder sent them down their to "support protest deployment "... and that is exactly what they did . That doesn't sound like impartial peace keeping to me . I don't think it does to you either .
Just like if an IRS boss tells an auditor to give extra scrutiny and to delay applications of Tea Party and religious groups ,then that is exactly what they will do.

Dont need one.....his body was found in a gatted community where he did NOT live......where the very definition of GATED means one doesn't simply casually wander through it.....or it wouldn't be gated...

So, he had no business visiting his father watching a game with his brother, and making a snack run, shot dead within 70 feet of his fathers house? He must have snuck through the gate. And where is the link saying he was casing the place?

Do you think it is the civil service employee acting on their own ? Nahh ,their political bosses are calling the shot. If Eric Holder sent them down their to "support protest deployment ",and that is exactly what they did . That doesn't sound like impartial peace keeping to me . I don't think it does to you either .
Just like if an IRS boss tells an auditor to give extra scrutiny and to delay applications of Tea Party and religious groups ,then that is exactly what they will do.

And if they don't, someone is liable to report them to the precrime division (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamespoulos/2013/07/10/obama-administration-anti-leak-scheme-shows-precrime-and-total-information-awareness-go-hand-in-hand/).

someone is liable to report them to the precrime division.But that's exactly what you're doing - you've judged them without knowing what actions they did.

Ahhh Zimmerman's just a crazy a$$ cracker . Now the prosecutor wants to convince the jury that while he was on his back on the ground being pummelled and having his brains beat in ;that he was committing child abuse.

Exactly (https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#safe=off&hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=zimmerman+%22white+hispanic%22&oq=zimmerman+%22white+hispanic%22&gs_l=serp.12..0j0i22i30l3.3515.4760.0.5328.2.2.0.0 .0.0.178.346.0j2.2.0....0...1c.1.19.psy-ab.xvFm5LxGp_4&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=977bc44c5bc027f8&biw=1320&bih=669).

But that's exactly what you're doing - you've judged them without knowing what actions they did.

If you're referring to the IRS scandal it's easy to judge on an admission of wrongdoing, which is how the whole thing became news in the first place. Do I really have to keep saying that?

If you're referring to the IRS scandal.. Uh no, I referring to the "documents".

So, he had no business visiting his father watching a game with his brother, and making a snack run, shot dead within 70 feet of his fathers house? He must have snuck thru the gate. And where is the link saying he was casing the place?

So.. the fact he was black gave him the RIGHT to assult Zimmerman?


Listen to the 911 recording... he wasn't walking on the sidewalk... he was walking NEAR the houses... and there is no other reason anyone would be walking in the dark... close to peoples houses on THEIR property. Other than to be caseing them.

If someone's in my yard near my windows at night... and trust me there is going to be a problem too.

And if they come after me when I confront them... I'm going to shoot them too.

In fact if I catch them in my house or garage... I'm not even going to ask them... I've going to unload at least two 12 gauge shells into them... because they would have been up to no good.

And I'd have every legal right to do it.

Oh.. and contrary to what has been assumed... the 911 operators don't work for the police.. or have the power of an officer of the court. You aren't legally OBLIGATED to listen or do anything they say.

I know someone that works for 911 as an operator... the police COULDN'T even hire them if they were the only person to apply for an open job..

Uh no, I referring to the "documents".

I wasn't, I was referring to tom's IRS reference. But if you weren't so intent on misrepresenting me you'd have noticed regarding the DoJ affair I used the words "appears to have facilitated." That's not a final judgment, it's a "something looks fishy here."

CBS news just had a story on the Justice department turning Drug smugglers loose caught at the border because the feds refuse to prosecute them or pay for it.

Probably a fake story.

Probably a fake story.

Probably.. its by a lefty news agency. The same one responsible for RatherGate.

It's come to this...


CDC says Americans still consume too much, but studies show no benefit in reducing salt (http://kfor.com/2013/07/09/cdc-admits-long-standing-error-there-is-no-benefit-in-reducing-salt/)

ATLANTA, GA — A recent report from the CDC reviewed the health benefits of reducing salt and say that, even though Americans consume too much salt, major reductions is no longer considered a substantial health hazard. The CDC even reported that reducing salt intake to below 1 tsp per day may be dangerous to your health.

Absent from the CDC study was the difference between healthy mineral salts and iodized table salt. Most of the studies, including one from the National Academies Institute of Medicine (IOM) showed no relationship between salt and a person’s health.

One study from 2011, followed 28,800 subjects with high blood pressure ages 55 and older. The study followed them for 4.7 years and measured their salt intake through urinalysis. The report stated the risks of heart attacks, strokes, congestive heart failure and death from heart disease increased significantly for those consuming more than 7,000 milligrams of sodium a day and for those consuming fewer than 3,000 milligrams of sodium a day.

Basically, the report says that consuming anything between 1-1/2 and 3 tsp of salt per day is just fine, and there were adverse effects from eating more than that or less than that.

So, while waiting for a mea culpa from nanny Bloomberg that will never come I think I'll have some crisp, delicious, salty chips.

It was always a whole lot of BS . The caveat however is consumption of unbleached and unprocessed sea salt is a far superior option to your typical store bought table salt. . I would not use the bleached version that removes many of the vital minerals from the salt. And in sea salt ,the total sodium content is less.

McDonalds 5 times a week for me now! Thanks CDC!

The CDC is alternately a useful public education source and alternately ludicrous . This is the gvt agency that spent tax dollars publishing 'Preparedness 101: Zombie Apocalypse '. This is the organization that routinely tries to get every American to get annual flu shots . Their information about lyme disease is incredibly and irresponsibly wrong and outdated . In fact ,lyme is an untold of ,almost incurable, growing health crises .

Hello again,

Isn't this the thread where the right wingers think the Justice Department is trying to foment riots if Zimmerman is freed?? Well, it's just as I thought. It's actually a right wing PLOT (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2013/07/trayvon_martin_and_the_justice_department_s_commun ity_relations_service.html)to FOMENT riots... Whoda thunk that?

You know, once I thought of the Republicans as the loyal opposition.. Now, I'm beginning to think they're my ENEMY...

excon

"pay no notice to those DOJ documents ! " said the wizard

I guess just because excon found that somewhere on the internet means it must be true.


Like Bigfoot, ghosts... and Alien abductions.

I guess just because excon found that somewhere on the internet means it must be true.Have you seen the weirdos that steve digs up and uses as examples of a whole group? You should have a gander at some of his posts.

Have you seen the weirdos that steve digs up and uses as examples of a whole group? You should have a gander at some of his posts.

Nope.. I have to say I haven't seen that.

those DOJ documentsWe've already made note that those documents don't show to any wrongdoing. You WANT to assume the worst but there isn't any evidence to support what you WANT them to say.

We've already made note that those documents don't show to any wrongdoing. You WANT to assume the worst but there isn't any evidence to support what you WANT them to say.

Funny I saw those same documents and it has the DOJ sending people to organise protests... ( something that's not their job and is HIGHLY biased anyway) when the DOJ claims they don't have the resources to stop the drug smugglers.. or the illegals... but then since the DOJ was involved in arming the Mexican drug cartels... its no wonder they are protecting their drug runners too.

'pay no attention to "support protest deployment " said the wizard '

has the DOJ sending people to organise protestsNope. That's what you WANT it to show.

Trayvon Martin and the Justice Department’s Community Relations Service: Conservatives think this DOJ unit organized the rallies against George Zimmerman. - Slate Magazine (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2013/07/trayvon_martin_and_the_justice_department_s_commun ity_relations_service.html)

Why are you reposting the link Ex already posted ? Already read it . Nothing there

Hello again,

I must inject a bit of reality into this conversation... I tried yesterday, but was told that long term civil service employees would DO whatever work, their supervisors TOLD them to do, EVEN if it was highly unethical, and EVEN if they lost their jobs over it..

But, I don't think that's so. Even if George W. Bush was ordering them to do it, I WOULDN'T believe it. The reason has NOTHING to do with Holder, Obama, Martin or Zimmerman.

It's simply that (1) well, jobs are hard to come by these days, (2) they wouldn't get fired if they REFUSED, (3) they HAVE very good jobs and make a LOT of money, (4) and finally, they're NOT stupid.

Would YOU obey your supervisor IF you knew you'd get fired for doing so?? Why, on earth, would you think these people would??

It's because your HATE blinds you from reality.

excon

Why are you reposting the link Ex already posted ? Already read it . Nothing there

It was for Smoothy sake.

Have you seen the weirdos that steve digs up and uses as examples of a whole group? You should have a gander at some of his posts.

So I see today you're taking to slinging sh*t about me to others instead of me. Grow a pair, dude.

It was for Smoothy sake.

I already know basically what's in those DOJ documents... and I know the Democrats would be screaming bloody murder if it would have been done under a Republican President.

Hello again:

One of the reasons capitalism WORKS, and one of ideas behind Ayn Rands theory's, is that man WILL act in his own self interest. I believe it. You do too, except when it comes to Obama...

Please tell me again, WHY long term civil service employees at the Justice Department and the IRS wouldn't.

excon

It's in their long term interest to do what they are told.

Hello again, tom:


it's in their long term interest to do what they are told.I'm SUCCESSFUL in business because I can tell how other people are going to act... I thought EVERYBODY could do that. It's not hard. All I got to do is ask MYSELF whether I'D act that way... I'm ordinary. If I would, MOST people would...

However, I found out that not everybody has that talent... They can say what THEY'D do, but they think somebody else would do something different... I had a partner once. We had a REAL ugly job that needed filling... Neither one of US would do it, because the job had NO redeeming qualities. I TOLD my partner that we'll NEVER get somebody to DO it. It'll be a REVOLVING position that would cause us trouble. I KNEW that, because I'D never do it. I'm ordinary. If I won't, MOST people won't.. Of course, the job turned out exactly like I said it would.

So, I KNOW that you wouldn't obey your supervisor if it meant that you'd lose your job. I know that, EVEN if you don't. That would be against Yourself interest. Would Steve install a faulty fire alarm BECAUSE his boss told him too? I don't think he would. Look. I don't know what you do, but I know you've been doing it for a long time, and you wouldn't do ANYTHING to jeopardize it.

I don't know WHY you'd think civil service employees would act DIFFERENTLY than you would. I thought EVERYBODY had the talent I have... Guess not.

Excon

I see no illegal activity in what the civil servants did . They were following orders . They don't set policy .The culpability is not with them . Your comparison is faulty .

Hello again:

One of the reasons WHY capitalism WORKS, and one of ideas behind Ayn Rands theory's, is that man WILL act in his own self interest. I believe it. You do too, except when it comes to Obama...

Please tell me again, WHY long term civil service employees at the Justice Department and the IRS wouldn't.

excon

Because they in many cases LEGALLY and Morally aren't allowed to when on the taxpayers dime.

How would it be different if they were protesting say... a Democrat Party member... while on payrol? Or working for a polititians campaign you personally don't like

They weren't doing this on their own private time... unassociated with their office.

the civil servants did What did they do?

Hello again, tom:

I see no illegal activity in what the civil servants did . So, now we're going to play the word game for a few pages.. Why don't we SKIP all that bs, and get right to the HEART of the issue... Words ARE important.. Lets not CHANGE them, OK?

I didn't USE the word "illegal". I used the word "unethical". Civil Service employees know whether the work they're being TOLD to do is POLITICAL, and therefore UNETHICAL, and therefore a FIRING offense.

But, if you THINK the Civil Service can DO POLITICS while at work, you don't live in the same country I do. Do you THINK that?? Nahhhh.. You know better.

Excon

But, if you THINK the Civil Service can DO POLITICS while at work, you don't live in the same country I do. Do you THINK that???? Nahhhh.. You know better.

excon

Dude, if you think the civil service doesn't do politics at work you've been smoking too much. We're not that naïve.

But, if you THINK the Civil Service can DO POLITICS while at work, you don't live in the same country I do.

Oh I pretty much know so. I became convinced when the intel analysts came up with the fabricated National Intelligence Estimate about Iran's nuke program in 2007 when they wanted to undermine the Bush Iran policy .
You know the one I'm talking about that made the claim that Iran had abandoned their nuke program . This absolute lie came just as the 2008 Dem Presidential candidates were making engagement with Iran their policy position ,over the Bush policy of sanctions and ramping up global pressure .
We know for a FACT that the main authors of the NIE were hyper-partisan anti-Bush officials with their own distinct policy preferences. They had absolutely no problem playing politics under the cover of the 4th branch of government ;the bureaucracy .

Just curious (as has been asked by others), will the media portray Aaron Hernandez as a "white Hispanic"?

Just curious (as has been asked by others), will the media portray Aaron Hernandez as a "white Hispanic"?

Probably not... they don't Portray Obama as a White African-American whatever an African American is... you are either an american or you aren't... there is no such country as Africa so they can't be dual citizens...

Why don't you forget all this descriptive crap and say what you mean, black, white ,coloured or is race a forbidden subject?why would you want to define various white people such as italian, or irish separate from the general population? I'm glad we don't have any african australians it would be difficult to know how they differ from aboriginal australians since both are coloured to one degree or another but then we have indians as well and they range from white to black

why don't you forget all this descriptive crap and say what you mean, black, white ,coloured or is race a forbiden subject?why would you want to define various white people such as italian, or irish seperate from the general population? I'm glad we don't have any african australians it would be difficult to know how they differ from aboriginal australians since both are coloured to one degree or another but then we have indians as well and they range from white to black

Certain groups have a vested interest in maintaining their victim mindset.

I don't run around calling myself an Irish-German-American... or even a Caucasian-american I'm simply an American.

I think it's a load of crap.. and always have.

I don't run around calling myself an Irish-German-American...or even a Caucasian-american I'm simply an American.

I think its a load of crap..and always have.

Caucasian would be a reference to your racial ancestry. Irish and German is an acknowledgement of your ethnic ancestry. The former being a reference to certain physical features while the latter being a reference to your former culture.

Caucasian would be a reference to your racial ancestry. Irish and German is an acknowledgement of your ethnic ancestry. The former being a reference to certain physical features while the latter being a reference to your former culture.

My wife is actually an Italian-American. She actually holds Dual citizenship. I could easily do the same... I haven't because its not in my best interest...

She doesn't run around calling herself Italian American... she considers herself an American first.

My wife is actually an Italian-American. She actually holds Dual citizenship. I could easily do the same....I haven't because its not in my best interest....

She doesn't run around calling herself Italian American....she considers herself an American first.


That's fine. I am sure that some African Americans choose to be an American first. But the point I am making is that one can choose to belong or not to belong to an ethnic group. One cannot choose to belong or not to belong to a racial group. By this I mean that one cannot change their physical characteristics.

There was no such thing as a 'White Hispanic ' here until the left tried to make this case about race.

Certain groups have a vested interest in maintaining their victim mindset.

I don't run around calling myself an Irish-German-American...or even a Caucasian-american I'm simply an American.

I think its a load of crap..and always have.

Well we agree on that, tell me do you ask some one over there whether they are a citizen before defining them as an american or is citizenship assumed?

there was no such thing as a 'White Hispanic ' here until the left tried to make this case about race.

This is where it gets a bit tricky. Hispanic would refer to a cultural group. So I guess in theory you could have a Caucasian Hispanic, just as it would be possible in theory to have a Negroid Hispanic.

That's fine. I am sure that some African Americans choose to be an American first. But the point I am making is that one can choose to belong or not to belong to an ethnic group. One cannot choose to belong or not to belong to a racial group. By this I mean that one cannot change their physical characteristics.

99.99% of the people calling themselves haven't had an actual tie with Africa in 5 or more generations.

The only ones that do... were born in Africa and immigrated.. If your parents were born in America... you are American.. not African-American

I have more of a right to be hyphenated then they do... I'm only the second generation in my family tree born here on US soil.and that only goes back to post WW1.

This is where it gets a bit tricky. Hispanic would refer to a cultural group. So I guess in theory you could have a Caucasian Hispanic, just as it would be possible in theory to have a Negroid Hispanic. yes you could .but that is hardly the point. Again ,the distinction is an artificial one that no one had heard of until race was injected into this case.

99.99% of the people calling themselves haven had a tie with Africa in 5 or more generations



In what way is this relevant to a persons racial ancestry? I would say that is is of no relevance.

yes you could .but that is hardly the point. Again ,the distinction is an artificial one that no one had heard of until race was injected into this case.

You would have to fill me in on the details. Without knowing the details I assume you are saying that race was needlessly injected into this particular case.

In what way is this relevant to a persons racial ancestry? I would say that is is of no relevance.
If they are going to call themselves something they aren't... then it does.

Its like a huge chunk of Australia... calling themselves British-Australians. Because at some point in their past their family tree was in the UK.

Because unless you are a full blooded American Indian, or are Inuit. you have an ancestry that is OTHER than American.

And even they migrated to this continent if you look back far enough in time. If you believe the archeologists... we are all Africans.

If they are going to call themselves something they aren't...then it does.

Its like a huge chunk of Australia...calling themselves British-Australians. Because at some point in their past their family tree was in the UK.

Because unless you are a full blooded American Indian, or are Inuit.,you have an ancestry that is OTHER than American.

And even they migrated to this continent if you look back far enough in time. If you believe the archeologists....we are all Africans.


Before I address any more issues you need to understand that "blood" has nothing to do with human physical genetics. It is an archaic and debunked concept. In the past it was used as an excuse for discrimination.

You would have to fill me in on the details. Without knowing the details I assume you are saying that race was needlessly injected into this particular case.

Urban Dictionary nails it :
White Hispanic

If a brown looking hispanic has a white last name or a white looking person a hispanic last name they become a "white hispanic". This makes it easier to compartmentalize a stereotype.

George Zimmerman has a white father and a hispanic mother therefore he is a "White Hispanic". Even though he looks more hispanic his last name is white and it becomes more polarizing to play up his whiteness.

Urban Dictionary: white hispanic (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=white%20hispanic)

If they are going to call themselves something they aren't...then it does.

Its like a huge chunk of Australia...calling themselves British-Australians. Because at some point in their past their family tree was in the UK.

Because unless you are a full blooded American Indian, or are Inuit.,you have an ancestry that is OTHER than American.

And even they migrated to this continent if you look back far enough in time. If you believe the archeologists....we are all Africans.

I know of no one who calls themselves British Australians, once we were both British and Australian but we no longer have dual nationality, as a 5th generation Australian of Irish ancestry I am an Australian and can trace my history in this national back further than most indigenous (1822). To be British in this nation is not a plus, and I don't necessarily believe the anthropologists, some of us might be African but some of us might be neanderthal, the white gene came from somewhere

I know of no one who calls themselves British Australians, once we were both British and Australian but we no longer have dual nationality, as a 5th generation Australian of Irish ancestory I am an Australian and can trace my history in this national back futher than most indigenous (1822). To be British in this nation is not a plus, and I don't necessarily believe the anthropologists, some of us might be African but some of us might be neanderthal, the white gene came from somewhere

Exactly... and like I said... the groups that whine the most about past segregation... are the same so intent on segregating themselves from the rest of us today.

Before I address any more issues you need to understand that "blood" has nothing to do with human physical genetics. It is an archaic and debunked concept. In the past it was used as an excuse for discrimination.

And I would venture a guess... very, very few black American that can trace ancestry back to when slavery was practiced... have a purely African genetic lineage. Meaning there is at least one non-black in their family tree.

And something you might not know not being from around here... Blacks are seriously prejudiced among themselves... THe lighter skinned ones look down on the darker skinned ones... and they ALL look down on the recent actual African immigrants.

They also aren't very fond of Asians... or Latinos in general... we actually have Black political figures making racial slurs against them fairly frequently on camera here in DC.

Yes there are a lot of exceptions to that... and I've personally known and worked with some of them.

And I would venture a guess.....very, very few black American that can trace ancestory back to when slavery was practiced...have a purely African genetic lineage. Meaning there is at least one non-black in their family tree.

And something you might not know not being from around here....Blacks are seriously prejudiced among themselves.....THe lighter skinned ones look down on the darker skinned ones....and they ALL look down on the recent actual African immigrants.

They also aren't very fond of Asians...or Latinos in general....we actually have Black political figures making racial slurs against them fairly frequently on camera here in DC.

Yes there are a lot of exceptions to that...and I've personally known and worked with some of them.

I think we understand black. Around here blacks of mixed blood are called creamys by full blooded aboriginees and are looked down upon. It is from these people who have little affinity to "country" that we find a lot of community in fighting and generally troublesome behaviour. I have a number of aboriginal friends and have generally found them okay but of course these are those who have found a place in the community. There is a possible racial tie with our blacks and indians but we have few africian immigrants mainly somaliis

Hello again,

Is the fear/expectation that black people will RIOT, be the SAME profile that spurred Zimmerman to follow Trayvon in the first place?

excon

why don't you forget all this descriptive crap and say what you mean, black, white ,coloured or is race a forbiden subject?why would you want to define various white people such as italian, or irish seperate from the general population? I'm glad we don't have any african australians it would be difficult to know how they differ from aboriginal australians since both are coloured to one degree or another but then we have indians as well and they range from white to black

I don't know why we have to discuss race anyway, but if you haven't followed it's been intentional to describe Zimmerman as a "white" Hispanic killing a black teen.

No it hasn't, it's been a guy with a gun who assumed a teen was up to no good. Because he was black? Well that's what Zimmerman had done before, called the cop on black teens, but they got away. This one didn't.

This case has always sucked . Martin walked too close to homes , in a community that had enough break ins that the community decided to create a community watch. He was not walking on the walk ways because of the weather . He was acting reasonably ,and Zimmerman reasonably assumed he was up to no good .

What I can't get over is the fact that Martin had plenty of time to make it to his father's home . Instead HE CHOSE to confront Zimmerman . That is an undisputable fact from the testimony of the trial . It was Martin's choice to engage. He got the jump on Zimmerman... again... undisputed testimony from the trial .

Martin's only wounds beyond the bullet shot was evidence that his fist was pounding Zimmerman . Zimmerman had a broken nose and lacerations to his head... which leads to a reasonable assumption that he though his life was in danger.

Nothing else in this case is relevant .

We only have one account of events, so there is much we don't know that may be relevant, like not leading a scary stranger who is following you to your home. Sorry I can't buy a guy who has lived in his community for 4 years and not know which of the 3 streets he is on, so instead of driving he gets out and walks in the direction his suspect is going. I guess he was the only watch person too since he made no calls to anyone else but the cops. Matter of fact there were no other NW people ever.

Or is this the good guy with a gun getting the bad guy type of thing? Why does race matter? Because prejudice is at the bottom of what motivated this tragedy.

Why does race matter? Because prejudice is at the bottom of what motivated this tragedy.

And that is Your unproven assumption .

Not at all his initial phone call to the police proves he assumed a black teen to be suspicious confirms he didn't know this youth belonged where he was and was minding his own business.

His initial phone call had nothing to do with race... despite MSNBC's clever editing .

"these guys always get away". He assumed this teen was a bad guy.

And what exactly does "these guys" mean? Black guys?

And what exactly does "these guys" mean? Black guys?

Those were his words, and I take him at his words, he meant bad guys. So why would he think a stranger to him was a bad guy? I don't know, so I won't assume.

Those were his words, and I take him at his words, he meant bad guys.

So when Black guys say that... who do they mean?

I hear White people referring to other white people saying "these guys" all the time.

So I guess ONLY black people are allowed to use the phrase "These guys" or they get their panties in a knot if anyone else uses it, now? I think they need to start wearing their big boy pants if they are taking offense to that now.

The connotation these guys, or those guys, or those people conveys different than yourself, whatever you may be. If a boss says it doesn't he mean the worker?

The connotation these guys, or those guys, or those people conveys different than yourself, whatever you may be. If a boss says it doesn't he mean the worker?

And him saying these guys had ZERO racial connotations and he did mean the element that causes trouble.. which IS not limited to or directed at any specific ethnic group... unlike the racist remarks Trayvons fat stupid girlfriend made... saying the racist remarks Trayvon told her on the phone under oath on the stand, Stupid because she saw absolutely nothing wrong with it... but I bet she would find something wrong if anyone called her a crazy azz "n".

Yep she is the poster child for everything that's wrong in the public education system.

Because a black person a non-black person a crazy azz white cracker (which is NOT a term of endearment)... is really NO different and means the same as a White guy calling a black person the N word... that blacks are so fond of calling each other these days.

And no way does it convey... specifically another ethnic group... it very simply mean THAT group of people... which can be ANY ethnicity or a blend of every just the same.

It can the football team... the basketball team.. it could be geeks... women... or the group of police officers standing nearby.

Who would have guessed EVERY kid in the workd is a racist... when they tell their parents "but THOSE guys get to do it, why can't I".

The way people talk is between them because they understand each other but the real issue here is did the guy with the gun assume the young guy walking was a bad guy, and he did.

That assumption started a tragic chain of events in motion and a neighbor hood watch guy should have known better.

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The way people talk is between them because they understand each other but the real issue here is did the guy with the gun assume the young guy walking was a bad guy, and he did.

That assumption started a tragic chain of events in motion and a neighbor hood watch guy should have known better.

Treyvon was a thug.. with numerous previous criminal convictions. Not an innocent choir boy.

Zimmerman had none...


Oh... exactly what connotation does "crazy azz white Cracker" Carry... I think its pretty clear... those were Travons words. But I guess blacks can make any insulting comment they want to any other group... and there is NO mistaking that...

I can tell you EVERYONE that speaks the English language has used MANY TIMES the phrase... "These guys, those guys, ,these people. those people" without once intending anything racist in it...

Because if we wanted to... there are so many creative terms for any group out there in the English language

In fact if some lunatic fringe group takes offense at a term that only means a group of humans... its past time they got some serious mental help.