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  • Dec 30, 2007, 11:33 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    Get better eyesight withought surgery
    I remember a while ago someone saying there's a way to get better eyesight without surgery. I have glasses and I want to know if this is true.
  • Dec 31, 2007, 02:15 PM
    N0help4u
    Eating fruits and vegetables with antioxidents such as green tea, carrots, pomegranates, bilberry, lutein and lycopene are suppose to help eyesight, at best they can help from further deterioration. I know the healthier I eat the better my vision is and other days when I don't eat healthy enough I scare myself that I feel like my vision is way worse.
    A couple years ago somebody was selling a book on exercise for your eyes and he said that looking through pinhole size glasses forces your eyes to focus which strenghens the muscles.
  • Dec 31, 2007, 02:17 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    Thank you I'll guess I'll do a little research.
  • Jan 12, 2008, 04:46 AM
    ChihuahuaMomma
    Eye Therapy is crap, it doesn't work. There is nothing wrong with having Lasik or PRK if it is needed to correct your vision.
  • Jan 12, 2008, 04:58 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ChihuahuaMomma
    Eye Therapy is crap, it doesn't work. There is nothing wrong with having Lasik or PRK if it is needed to correct your vision.

    Yeah, tell me that when the doctor makes a mistake and I'm blind.
  • Jan 12, 2008, 10:29 PM
    ChihuahuaMomma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Da Bigchamp
    Yeah, tell me that when the doctor makes a mistake and I'm blind.

    I wouldn't have to. Do you know how many times that's happened? NEVER.:) You are just uneducated on the subject.
  • Jan 13, 2008, 03:03 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ChihuahuaMomma
    I wouldn't have to. Do you know how many times that's happened? NEVER.:) You are just uneducated on the subject.

    That is not true, look at the many possible things that could happen after the corrective precedure. Although not all of these happen due to a mistake, they are still things someone wouldn't want to happen. This is quoted from Munley.com.

    Some patients lose vision. Some patients lose lines of vision on the vision chart that cannot be corrected with glasses, contact lenses, or surgery as a result of treatment.

    Some patients develop debilitating visual symptoms. Some patients develop glare, halos, and/or double vision that can seriously affect nighttime vision. Even with good vision on the vision chart, some patients do not see as well in situations of low contrast, such as at night or in fog, after treatment as compared to before treatment.

    You may be under treated or over treated. Only a certain percent of patients achieve 20/20 vision without glasses or contacts. You may require additional treatment, but additional treatment may not be possible. You may still need glasses or contact lenses after surgery. This may be true even if you only required a very weak prescription before surgery. If you used reading glasses before surgery, you may still need reading glasses after surgery.

    Some patients may develop severe dry eye syndrome. As a result of surgery, your eye may not be able to produce enough tears to keep the eye moist and comfortable. Dry eye not only causes discomfort, but can reduce visual quality due to intermittent blurring and other visual symptoms. This condition may be permanent. Intensive drop therapy and use of plugs or other procedures may be required.

    Results are generally not as good in patients with very large refractive errors of any type. You should discuss your expectations with your doctor and realize that you may still require glasses or contacts after the surgery.




    You should also take a look at this. Laser Eye Surgery: LASIK complications, LASIK performed incorrectly
  • Jan 13, 2008, 03:18 PM
    J_9
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ChihuahuaMomma
    I wouldn't have to. Do you know how many times that's happened? NEVER.:) You are just uneducated on the subject.

    It looks as though you are uneducated on the subject.

    Quote:

    Scientists at Ohio State University analyzed data from 605 patients who had undergone LASIK (laser-assisted in-situ keratomileusis) surgery at least six months earlier. Reported vision problems included seeing halos, starbursts and glare surrounding lights - problems that can affect the quality of vision at night.

    The study showed that these symptoms may persist in some patients long after the eye heals.
    I guess you haven't seen this report from the FDA
    US FDA/CDRH: LASIK - What are the risks and how can I find the right doctor for me?
  • Jan 13, 2008, 03:32 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    I still need to know any alternatives to laser eye surgery.
  • Jan 13, 2008, 03:43 PM
    J_9
    I don't know that there are any tried and true alternatives that are as effective as Lasik. While there are people who have had bad outcomes with the surgery, that number is significantly lower than those who have good outcomes.

    Diet and possibly eye exercise may help, but they are not guaranteed either.
  • Jan 13, 2008, 03:46 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    I just don't want to risk my eyesight if all I want is to lose the glasses.
  • Jan 13, 2008, 04:02 PM
    J_9
    I don't blame you there. You may not even be a candidate for Lasik surgery. You know that not all people can have this done.

    I know, ummm, I think about 10 people that have had this done and only one regrets it as he sees halos at night, and his night vision is virtually ruined as far as driving at night goes.

    Also, while some doctors are "licensed" or "certified" to do this, their track record proves less than admirable.

    I would check (If you are in the US) with an FDA approved doctor.

    Have you seen this site?

    US FDA/CDRH: LASIK - FDA-Approved Lasers for LASIK
  • Jan 13, 2008, 04:13 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    Well I know that I'm not getting the procedure done, some of the things I do to make money are dependent on my ability to see. Also in one of my jobs, there is a extremely high chance I'll be taking hits to the face.
  • Jan 13, 2008, 04:16 PM
    ChihuahuaMomma
    Well, I've never heard of it happening. Perhaps I just work for a great doctor. He's performed over 16,000 surgeries and no one has gone blind. How many people actually gone blind due to LASIK?
  • Jan 13, 2008, 04:18 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ChihuahuaMomma
    Well, I've never heard of it happening. Perhaps I just work for a great doctor. He's performed over 16,000 surgeries and no one has gone blind. How many people actually gone blind due to LASIK?

    I'm not sure how many people have gone blind, but I do know that there are possibilities of hindered vision.
  • Jan 13, 2008, 10:04 PM
    ChihuahuaMomma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Da Bigchamp
    I'm not sure how many people have gone blind, but I do know that there are possibilities of hindered vision.

    Blindness and hindered vision are two very different things. And if you are not a candidate for LASIK there are many other procedures for vision correction that are available. But I cannot think of anything other than contacts, glasses, and Laser eye correction to help you see better...
  • Jan 14, 2008, 04:01 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    Well either way, I can't have hindered vision or blindness. All I wanted to know if there was an alternative to eye surgery.
  • Jan 14, 2008, 06:13 PM
    ChihuahuaMomma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Da Bigchamp
    Well either way, I can't have hindered vision or blindness. All I wanted to know if there was an alternative to eye surgery.

    Glasses or contacts.
  • Jan 14, 2008, 07:39 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    If you were reading, you would already know I have glasses. I'm trying to lose the glasses and contacts without surgery.
  • Jan 14, 2008, 07:43 PM
    ChihuahuaMomma
    If you were reading you would know that other than glasses, contacts, and surgery there are no other alternatives... sorry... Take your pick.
  • Jan 14, 2008, 07:52 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    It isn't true, I have heard of people getting back their 20/20 vision. One of my old middle school friends had to wear glasses, and almost a year later he got his regular vision back. He told me he was doing some kind of eye excersizes, and back then I didn't have glasses so I didn't care to ask him some more questions.
  • Jan 15, 2008, 05:29 PM
    ChihuahuaMomma
    Okay, if anyone else disagrees with me, please say so instead of giving me a reddie. Don't you think three is enough? Geez, people.
  • Jan 15, 2008, 05:30 PM
    ChihuahuaMomma
    Eye therapy doesn't work... it's crap. Like I said.
  • Jan 15, 2008, 05:34 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    Then explain how my old friend got his regular eyesight back?
  • Jan 15, 2008, 05:45 PM
    ChihuahuaMomma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Da Bigchamp
    Then explain how my old friend got his regular eyesight back?

    Did he tell you that or did his doctor tell you that? Adn believe it or not, eyesight DOES get better. It'll get worse eventually.
  • Jan 15, 2008, 05:49 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    His doctor did, his father was an optometrist. All I know was that his dad put him on the excersize.
  • Jan 15, 2008, 05:51 PM
    ChihuahuaMomma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Da Bigchamp
    His doctor did, his father was an optometrist. All I know was that his dad put him on the excersize.

    Yeah, Im sorry, Ive worked for Optometrists... they're not all the brightest crayons in the box. And they are not Medical Doctors... I only trust my eyes to someone that has a medical degree.
  • Jan 15, 2008, 09:19 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    You know what, since no one here can answer my question and is just here to go back and forth about methods. I'm ignoring all future posts.
  • Jan 15, 2008, 10:02 PM
    ChihuahuaMomma
    Good, people give you answers and if they are not "I know someone that can perform magic to make your eyesight perfect" then you don't want to hear it. I already told you that I work for someone that gets as close to that as possible, but you won't hear it. You only see the bad outcomes of Laser eye surgery. There are far better outcomes. I saw a patient today, at his follow-up after surgery. Before surgery he was 20/200 in both eyes, today (three months later), he was 20/10 in his right (dominant eye), and 20/15 in his left eye.
  • Jan 15, 2008, 10:48 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    I was talking about you. And it's not that I want some magic, it's that I've seen people who have gotten back their eyesight without lasik eye surgery and are living a contact and glasses free life. I look at it this way, I can get contacts and that would be okay. There's no risk and it will give me the eyesight I need without it hindering my abilities. But if I get laser eye surgery, there's a risk that it would hinder my abilities to an extent where I cannot perform the tasks that my job require. Then if I do end up having night blindness or any other bad outcome, I will not be able to work and get money so I can provide for my family. So when you tell me lasik eye surgery works and that is your only alternative besides glasses, I see it as your telling me to risk putting my ability to provide for my family so I can get lasik eye surgery. I'm just asking if anyone here knows of the alernatives to lasik eye surgery and then you tell me what I don't want to hear.
  • Jan 17, 2008, 09:20 PM
    ChihuahuaMomma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Da Bigchamp
    I was talking about you. And it's not that I want some magic, it's that I've seen people who have gotten back thier eyesight without lasik eye surgery and are living a contact and glasses free life. I look at it this way, I can get contacts and that would be okay. There's no risk and it will give me the eyesight I need without it hindering my abilities. But if I get laser eye surgery, theres a risk that it would hinder my abilities to an extent where I cannot perform the tasks that my job require. Then if I do end up having night blindness or any other bad outcome, I will not be able to work and get money so I can provide for my family. So when you tell me lasik eye surgery works and that is your only alternative besides glasses, I see it as your telling me to risk putting my ability to provide for my family so I can get lasik eye surgery. I'm just asking if anyone here knows of the alernatives to lasik eye surgery and then you tell me what I don't want to hear.

    I'm sorry that you don't want to hear the truth. If their "eye therapy worked for them, try it. If you don't mind contacts, get them.
  • Jan 17, 2008, 09:42 PM
    kp2171
    OK... so you only want to hear what you want to hear?

    If you know people who have gotten their vision back, ask THEM!

    And stop being a whining little snot who doesn't like to hear the truth.

    Man... change your login to dabigchump.

    b!tch and moan all you want. It hasn't stopped you yet.
  • Jan 17, 2008, 11:42 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ChihuahuaMomma
    I'm sorry that you don't want to hear the truth. If their "eye therapy worked for them, try it. If you don't mind contacts, get them.

    That is the thing, I don't know these people anymore and that is why I'm asking the question. If ou paid attention to my posts you would know that.
  • Jan 17, 2008, 11:44 PM
    Da Bigchamp
    And I'd wish you all to say that to me in real life.
  • Jan 18, 2008, 12:06 AM
    ChihuahuaMomma
    Sorry I'm not going to travel to where you are just to tell you that you have limited options. Get contacts.
  • Jan 18, 2008, 12:08 AM
    Da Bigchamp
    O well next time I'm in Vancouver, maybe you'll have a chance.
  • Jan 21, 2008, 01:53 AM
    ChihuahuaMomma
    Nohelp4u--sounds like the person you are referring to has epithelial ingrowth, she should talk to her doctor... they just lift the flap clean under it and all is good... just means that skin was growing under her flap. If the eyesight in that eye isn't as well, that's another sign...
  • Jan 25, 2008, 07:24 AM
    supriya _82
    I admire ChihuahuaMomma who is valiantly trying to impart some genuine scientific information. I am totally on your side Momma. As they say "Where ignorance is bliss................" People just want to be told what they want to hear.
  • Jan 25, 2008, 07:32 AM
    supriya _82
    And J_9 - health expert!! Night blindness (or Nyctalopia) is caused by Vitamin A deficiency, specifically Beta Carotene. Lasik & Night Blindness??
  • Jan 25, 2008, 09:01 AM
    ChihuahuaMomma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by supriya _82
    I admire ChihuahuaMomma who is valiantly trying to impart some genuine scientific information. I am totally on your side Momma. As they say "Where ignorance is bliss................" People just want to be told what they want to hear.

    Thank you, Supriya.

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