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I thought that maybe she meant your second post after hers, don't take the guy thing as gender specific. Besides she might not know that you are female.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
In any case I still don't get the 'internet special olympics refference'
But anyhoo maybe she'll come back and clear things up
Yes, I did finally get that she might be referring to me. And yes, I think she thinks I'm a guy, which I suspect was an assumption due to my opinions.
Not to mention that I did read her post. So there's another assumption. In fact, I politely responded to it because I found it interesting. I wouldn't have found it so interesting if I'd thought she was responding to "sexist me."
Well on my screen, it's my big long awesome post-- and then the next post is Morgaine ignoring it and slammin' on Synn again.
Anyway..
YES! I did get into the Game Design field. I work at a cell phone application and game company. I do Concept art, level design, Model Texturing, 2D art and character design, UI design and more :P And on the side I do freelance logo's and web design.
I didn't ignore it. I read it. That it's "awesome" is just an opinion. Your "awesome" post means I'm not allowed to "slam on" Synn again? Are your posts the answer to the universe or something that no one can disagree with anything after that? All I can say is WOW!Quote:
Originally Posted by REDQU33N
HAHA I thought you were a guy. But from that reply I can tell you're either an angsty female teenager, or a very hormonal woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
And what I typed wasn't an opinion. Twas FACT, lady.
Um, lady, I said that your post being "awesome" was an opinion. Did you actually read what I said? Third sentence. Read it again. It's pretty straight-forward..
I am neither a teenager nor an "overly hormonal" woman. I'm just a woman. I think it should be quite clear from some of my posts to Synn that I'm not a teenager! Not that you were required to read anything, but if you want to comment to me, then I suggest you read what I'm saying. Seems to me you weren't paying attention to any of that... then complain that I ignored your post! Hypocrite.
You've missed the point entirely. My post had ONE vague reference to the sexist issue. One. Everything else in that post had nothing to do with that. So your one post means I can't argue the issues with Synn any longer? Apparently you really think you are the queen.
The problem is that you just can't accept that a woman (versus a man) could have the opinions that I do. On the other hand, since neither your nor Synn can manage to read what I actually say and instead twist it around and read other things into it that aren't there, I'm not sure either of you really know what my opinions even are. You couldn't even read a simple sentence that said that "awesome" is an opinion without completely turning it around. How could I be a sexist? You can do anything you want to do, including developing games. In fact, I never once said there was anything wrong with it, even when you thought I was a man!
Btw if anyone has a steampowered account should add me my id is loverboy66
lots of replies ^-^
Wow, I didn't expect an argument! I'm just hangin' out here watchin' all u guys post, it's hilarious.
I suspect every discussion I've ever seen about female gamers has led to some argument or other. You should've seen the stuff that used to go on on one of the RPG groups I used to hang out at. This is nothing. :p
That you've seen? Or that you've participated in?
Both. What difference does it make?
That's awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by REDQU33N
I just wish I didn't live in this tiny town... there are no good coarses here apart from basic computing...
And forget getting an apprenticeship at a business, there aren't any!
Been having the same trouble with trying to find a vet tech coarse.
Only thing I have to say is... those cell phone companies are evil!
They claim they want to give you a "free" game then in the fine print it says $10 a week subscription! :p
Wow, you must really be in a small town if you can't find a vet tech course. I'm not exactly in a big city and there's two universities nearby with vet stuff, and more that are within decent driving distance. (I seriously considered that major when I was younger.)
I would LOVE to do it..Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
However, see the little orange island at the bottom of the map...
Yup, that's where I live.
See the big body of water that separates us from civilisation... that's where all the coarses are.
There are 2 universities here and neither of them offer a vet coarse :(
We just bought a house here so moving isn't an option.
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/tim...tralia-map.gif
Getting even more off topic, a couple of years ago I found a second cousin living in Tasmania. Not that that helps you. Just an interesting coincidence.
I have ancestry from New Zealand
Australia and New Zealand have a long-standing rivalry... a playful one though hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by jaime90
Well one reason I can think of is that when a company designs a video game they expect it to mostly be bought by males, so therefore they almost never make a game that appeals to (most) females. Either that or females just aren't as outward about playing games as men. Of course I'm a male so my opinion is hardly "expert"
I think that females just aren't that outward about it- especially now considering how many female gamers have posted on this question I've asked- it's enlightening to know that there are so many out there- they're just not as "outward" about it as theonetruegamer says.
Young males is their biggest audience, so of course that's what they're going to gear them towards. That's why Laura has big boobs, and why female fighters are wearing bikini armor and that sort of silly thing. Some of them are more realistic that the females are the archers or magic users, rather than making a pretense that one is really going to run around with 100 pounds of armor on her.Quote:
Originally Posted by theonetruegamer
However, nearly all female gamers I know like the same games that the guys do. Well, a portion of them anyway. Maybe not so much the mindless monster killing, but for instance some of the strategies and RPGs and that sort of thing. (I also know quite a few women who like adventures.) So I disagree that they almost never make games that appeal to women. That's still the same stereotype that women can't like that sort of game, and plenty of us actually do. Yes, we're a minority, but if you spend any time on some of the big gaming groups, the women are there. (And I certainly have no qualms hanging out some place that is mostly males. ;)) No, they're not intentionally making things that appeal to women, but they will ultimately appeal to a certain number of women, intentional or not. I'm not into strategies but there's a guy I know who is, and one of the strategy places he hangs out has a lot of women. One of them is like one of their top tournament people and scares half the guys. LOL.
I have no idea how many of them are "hiding" or just aren't very vocal. I don't see women in the gaming stores all that often. (I admit I feel a bit like an idiot in the stores cause they're full of young guys.) Perhaps some of them do feel a bit odd coming onto some of the groups and stuff, I don't know. I do know one female who doesn't hang around groups, but she just doesn't hang around groups in general anyway so that doesn't mean much.
I recall reading somewhere that close to 50% of gamers are female. Of course, they weren't distinguishing there between casual female gamers who stick to things like puzzle games and Guitar Hero, and the more "hardcore" female gamers that play games like Halo and Gears of War--they were counting anyone who plays any kind of video game on a regular basis as being a gamer. But still.
I think the real difference may just be that female gamers don't make their presence known to the extent that male gamers do, most likely because society tends to view video games as being a "guy thing." Typically, the girls I know that are very public about their love of gaming tend to be more tomboyish in general, including me. The girls I know that are more feminine in most cases still PLAY games, including some of the more hardcore games--my sister is the type you'd expect to stick to things like Nintendogs, and she absolutely LOVES Assassin's Creed--but they don't talk about them as much. It's rarely a conversation topic for them. So most people would tend to assume they weren't into gaming at all, or at best, were casual gamers.
Yeah, true. I've heard that. I too play board games and puzzle stuff, card games, etc. I have one of those Hoyle things that has casino, board and card stuff. I just like playing stuff, period. Those are good for when you just want something quick to relax and don't want to get involved with something. A half hour before I go to bed is not really when I want to be pulling out Medal of Honor or something... cause I'm never getting to bed.Quote:
I recall reading somewhere that close to 50% of gamers are female. Of course, they weren't distinguishing there between casual female gamers who stick to things like puzzle games and Guitar Hero, and the more "hardcore" female gamers that play games like Halo and Gears of War--they were counting anyone who plays any kind of video game on a regular basis as being a gamer. But still.
After your first sentence, I thought, who cares. I'm not the type to care if it's a "guy thing." In fact, I get along with guys much better most of the time anyway. I'm not really a tomboy exactly, but I'm not one of those females who likes shopping and gets all concerned about my hair and nails, and for that matter, if my butt looks to big. :p I do run around in jeans and tshirts and have my hair up in a pony tail. (I'm probably killing my image of being an accountant here too. :D) If I wear a dress for something I tell people they better take a good long cause they're never seeing it again. Not tomboyish exactly, but certainly not the overly feminine type either. There might be something to that.Quote:
I think the real difference may just be that female gamers don't make their presence known to the extent that male gamers do, most likely because society tends to view video games as being a "guy thing." Typically, the girls I know that are very public about their love of gaming tend to be more tomboyish in general, including me.
I'm the same way. I concern myself with my appearance that I don't "let myself go" and I want to look presentable in public, but I'm just like you- ponytail, jeans, a tshirt- and dresses on very rare and special occasions. I get along with guys way better too- there's tons less drama to worry about =)
Perhaps that is why our opinions on this differ so greatly.
I AM the girly girl. I wear dresses and suits and put on make up every morning. I like being a woman.
That doesn't mean I'm not a gamer--I play video games EVERY DAY. Sometimes it's the Sims, sometimes it's an MMO, sometimes it's Guitar Hero.
That doesn't mean I'm not a gamer. Just means I'm not a tomboy.
I like being a woman too. It doesn't require dresses and makeup.
Oh, for heaven's sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
Seriously? Are you going to argue with EVERYTHING I say? I never said that you didn't like being a woman!
So done with this thread. You "real" gamers can pat each other on the back and agree with each other or go to hell for all I care. I have better things to do than argue with little girls that have to be right.
To be honest I don't think it was meant like that synn, I took it more along the lines of
Synnen: I like Pie
Morgaine: I like Pie too, just not apple pie
i.e just because she said she likes pie doesn't mean you said she didn't, :)
Calm down a bit and have some pie k :)
Lol. Synn, that was a really big overreaction. Morgain did state a very true fact- dresses and makeup does not make you a woman. NO dresses and NO makeup does not make you a woman either. You portray womanhood in your own way- don't get offended when someone's way is different than yours- everyone is different.
I personally love video games. In fact, I love Gears of War 2, and am super excited about double xp this weekend!! Anyhoo, I have always loved video games, from my atari as a kid, up to my 360 as a 29 y/o woman. I don't really understand the marketing concepts that the industry has held onto. Just because a game has a girl in it does not make it automatically appeal to women/girls. For me, a game has to be fun to play, fun to look at, and somewhat challenging to hold my interest. That's it.
For me it has to be challenging, entertaining, and for the most part- the graphics have to be pretty cool too (unless the entertainment concept makes up for that=)
No, I don't argue for the sake of arguing, whatever you may think. But when it sounds like you think wearing dresses and make up is what makes you a woman, then yes, I'm going to react to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synnen
I hate to tell you this, but you have reacted to nearly everything I've ever said also -- you've NEVER had any room to talk me during this whole thing.
Amen. I think that sums it up very nicely. :) (Though I don't require fancy graphics.)Quote:
Originally Posted by cdenisego
I disagree gamers are not always agrassive I am a gamer since 7 years and no I am not at all aggresddive and females don't play videogames as it is still considered as a male sport(just like football,soccer,cricket,etc)and I don't think there are any female professional gamers to motivate others...
smdk... You are right in saying that not all gamers are agressive-
Also, I don't believe that videogames are considered a 'male' sport, firstly since it isn't a sport, and here's some statistics for ya: more than a quarter of sports-watching women choose football as their favorite sport. 40% of the NFL fan basis consists of women. 375,000 women attend football games on the average NFL weekend, and 50 million join the men in watching the super bowl every year. It is ridiculous to me to say that gaming is a man sport, if it is a man sport it must also be a children's sport. Polls and studies say that women play video games nearly as much as the average man, but they are underpresented. 65% of women in the 25-34 age braket, are women. And 38% of ALL gamers are female.
I also watch G4 gaming network and have seen many women who play video games on there.
65% of
Women in the 25-34 age braket, are
Women. What?
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65% of women in the 25-34 age braket, are women. And 38% of ALL gamers are female.
I'm guessing it was supposed to say something along the lines of:Quote:
65% of
Women in the 25-34 age braket, are
Women. What?
65% of women in the 25-34 age bracket play video games. And 38% of ALL gamers are female. ;)
Exactly ^! Sorry that was a typo, it's supposed to be "65% of women in the 25-34 age bracket play video games. And 38% of all gamers are female.
OK I would love it if my girlfriend plays videogames with me...
If your girlfriend doesn't like games, then she doesn't like games. There's a lot of females out there playing them, but just like with any other activity, there are always lots of people who won't do it.
I wonder if your attitude comes from your girlfriend -- like she is actually the one who thinks video games are a "man sport" (and that sports are only a man's thing). There are women like that. They're usually the ones who hate you for sitting around on Sunday afternoon watching football.
If you want her to play with you (er, games that is), is there something that perhaps she would like better? That you could like too? There's all sorts of games out there. Of course, nothing saying you'd like what she might like. But maybe she doesn't realize that games are diverse.
Or... maybe she just doesn't like them. Nothing you can do about that. If she doesn't respect that you like them... um, won't go there. But also keep in mind she's obviously not going to want to "lose you" to games if you're playing them all the time.
Try intriguing her with games like Final Fantasy and Fable, instead of first person shooters. Lots of women like fantasy games as oppose to sci-fi, modern, or historical combat games. Another one you could try is Assassin's Creed.
You could also try intriguing her with Live gameplay like XboxLive. You cannot MAKE her play- and it's true that maybe she got her gaming attitude from the fact that you (and many other men) like to claim video games as their sport.
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