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Oh yeah! Nothing wrong with female gamers?? I dig it!! My daugter is 3 and she's beating me at spirow already! But for the older FEMALES its awsome to see, not just guys like this stuff you know, morgaine300, check out gamerstagg.com, and you'll see why I'm called ironclad!Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
My uncle (who is basically like my dad) is in love with video and ever since I was able to properly hold a controler I was playing, but I don't really enjoy them. I'm actually scared of most of them. I don't know why but I'm just not that into them. The only ones I enjoy playing are like you said guitar hero and rock band and also those dancing games.
I don't recall saying that I thought there was anything wrong with female gamers, nor did I say I thought only guys liked this stuff. Where exactly did you read that in my sentences? I'm female and I play games, so obviously I would not say or imply either of those statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by ironclad04
I was referring to the use of the word "girls." It sounds like several people think all us female gamers are young girls. I'm a woman, not a young girl. I simply said it would be nice if we could stick to the term "female" instead of talking like we're all young girls.
I just saw this thread and I don't care if it is years old. I AM POSTING! AHHHHH.
Okay now that I got that out of my system. I hope you have seen the change in just the last few years in the amount of female gamers. I met my husband through an MMORPG. I think that qualifies me just in that one instance as hardcore. I've been gaming ever since I found my dad's Atari when I was 5.
Personally, though I am no medical expert, women are just as competitive as men. But we come with the docile stigma. What do you think catty was in the first place? Certainly not playful. We have testosterone too! Granted not as much, but we do compete, we are blood-thirsty, and we LOVE to be on top! I worked in the video game industry for a while, there is steadily becoming a larger demand to market to the female gamer. And no, it's not just cooking games. :rolleyes:
Shopping games? LOL.
Women are definitely competitive, and sometimes with each other over stupid things. But you don't have to be competitive. I don't do multi-player, so I'm just competitive with myself. And I like a lot of the same stuff the men do.
I think companies have tried too hard to figure out what women want in a game, and in the end they try stuff geared towards women who don't want to play games to begin with.
You met your hubby through a MMORPG? Maybe I should try that. :-)
Heck yeah I did, oddly enough though, he played a Shadow Knight (bad side) I played a cleric (durr). But in real life I am the evil one and he is sweet as puddin. You are warned! *chuckles*
I completely agree with you morgaine! I'm a big fan of puzzle games. When GoW came out I was pleasantly surprised to see the puzzles they incorporated. Now if I could just get into the games with first person shooters!
Isn't any reason you have to get into some type of game - no rules on what you do and don't have to like.
The only shooter I play is Medal of Honor, which I just played clear through for I think the 5th time. I'm not into shooters cause they bore me and seem like the same old same old. I like MoHAA cause it was different than anything I'd seen and has more variety - one minute sneaking around and having to stop and think and pay attention, and the next minute blasting everything with a jeep-mounted machine gun (which is incredibly fun).
Otherwise I mostly play RPGs and adventures. But I also just like puzzles, and I like board and card games too.
Ohh, I'll look into that game, just asked my hubby and he has never tried it either. Though he has heard of it. (Sometimes I think he says that about games and really he doesn't have a clue what it is.. :rolleyes: hehe) My favorite game for over a year was PuzzleQuest for the PSP. I still am not sure why, it's basically a badass version of bejewelled but with wizards and turns against foes in puzzle form. I STILL can't beat the very last boss. Maybe I should start over. :D
Hmmm I think I saw PuzzleQuest on the playstation store... might have to buy it and try it out.
I don't do consoles. Just more money to spend and my PC's fine.
And I've never heard of most of the newer games. I had an old PC for quite some time so I collected up a bunch of older games that would run on it, enough to last me a lifetime. About the only things I've bought since I got a "new" computer in '03 (I know that's old in computer age, but it still runs great and works for everything I need it to), is Dungeon Siege and Medal of Honor, and a bunch of Nancy Drews. And I got most of that off eBay used.
Im up FOR A CHALLENGE!! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
I went to BestBuy this weekend with the hubby and got Medal of Honor, they had every expansion all together for like 20.00 HE got really into it and didn't get off the computer for the rest of the weekend. I saw him once around 4am on Saturday when he came to bed... lmao I blame you Morgaine! It is a really good game though, the graphics are solid, the storyline involves you. Nice one!
Sorry I took your hubby away. I didn't mean to. :-)
That's kind of what happened with me. I actually bought it used buncled with some other stuff and had no intentions of playing it and was going to sell it. But I like to install everything, make sure it's reading the disk OK, running OK, etc. So I "started" it just to make sure it seemed all right before selling it.
Next thing I knew it was like 4 hours later. LOL. I'd gotten totally hung up on the thing and couldn't believe I was playing a shooter. And finished the whole thing inside a week I think. I did end up selling it, but then later bought the War Chest with the 2 expansions. (That was Allied Assault.)
I am stubbornly waiting for my PC to get fixed before I try it. I want my saves to be mine! Let us know if you find any other good ones. I found a new elven one I want to try out, but I can't remember the name. I'll letcha know if I actually buy it and it plays well.
I doubt I will "find" anything, simply cause I already have a million games around, but they're mostly older ones. So I rarely buy anything that's reasonably new. And "new" to me is still usually 2-3 years old. :-)
Umm girls aren't in to games (video games) because there just like not into it but if it's twins then it's a challenge them-selfs who's the better twin so yeah my sister LOVED to play mortal kombat deadly alliance mario party 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 and Zelda series she doesn't now because she does not have time she is in collage (medical school) and other girls just say this for boys and stuff but like the old mario and stuff like that is good just them into gaming plus when I was in 3rd grade ALL OF THE GIRLS PLAYED GAMECUBE WII they always would talk about it and pokemon they even bring there own Game boys with there games so it just common but in 3rd grade WAS WEIRD so yeah hope it helped
Well, now there's a one-size-fits-all stereotype if I ever heard one.Quote:
Originally Posted by klma
I play the PS3 more than my boyfriend!Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
Well, I also grew up with my bro (who's only 4 years younger than us, me and my twin) playing video games too. And my dad and cousins. And now I have 2 more younger bros under the age of 6 who play COD4, assasn's creed, gears of war, halo, etc. It's not really a competition between me and my sister at all.
Ok here goes.
I was adopted when I was 7. My parents had 6 kids of there own and adopted 16 others. So 23 total including me.
Boy-to-girl ratio was about 60/40 to the boys.
We had every game system ever created. I myself had an xbox, xbox 360 and a dreamcast. All the other systems were my brothers'. The girls "never" were into video games. Now occasionally (very rarely) they would be like "hey lemme try" but that was the extent of them playing.
I am unsure of why there are so few female gamers. It's kind of an intrigueing thought. Not saying that its intrigueing that feamles don't play but why they don't play is the intrigueing part.
Rick
I'm a gamer (and can't believe I didn't see this thread before!)
I've been pretty hard-core about playing games on my computer since about 1996.
The REASON most older females (and I'm talking "out of our teens") don't play many of the games out there is that we have too many OTHER responsibilities. Men can seem to get away with going on a 9 hour guild raid in an MMORPG and leaving the kids to their wives, but how often do you hear about women doing the same thing while their husbands watch the kids?
I think there would be more women gamers IF:
1. Games weren't so time-intensive. Most women, by definition, cannot spend the time required because there are other things to do--cooking, cleaning, kids, laundry, grocery shopping, etc. And while yes---guys DO do these things, most guys will NOT do them just so that their wife can game, and the wife will just do them so that they get DONE.
2. If there were more of a mental challenge to the game. Sorry, but point, click, kaboom isn't intelligent enough to hold my attention, so I don't play FPSs. Give me a puzzle, or a quest, and make it challenging.
3. If games were more social. I like MMOs because I can chat with my friends who are scattered around the world at the same time we ALL play the same game. It's almost as good as a board game on a table after a good dinner together.
Mostly, though--it's the investment of time. I play Yahoo games more than anything else lately, because I can be interrupted without someone getting ticked off, I can pause the game, and I can walk away more often and do things like change the wash load and finish the dishes and such more easily.
Most of what I hear is from females who just plain don't like games to begin with, as opposed to ones who like them but don't have time to play them. I don't have as much time for them as I'd like either, but I do fit time in.
However, I live alone, so not only do I have to do all those typical female things, I have to do all the typical male things too. I'm the only one there is. But I have to have time for me, so I fit them in when I can.
I also know married couples who both play games, and the women will play just as much. Most women I know don't really want their husbands off playing for nine hours at a time either. If I married someone who wanted his gaming time, then I expect him to respect me in return and allow me my time.
I also find plenty of mentally challenging things out there. Everything doesn't go kaboom. (Though that can be fun to an extent.)
And this certainly doesn't explain why younger girls don't start playing them to begin with. I think a lot of them simply don't like the games.
I think that the games aren't designed toward their interests.
Look at The Sims---it's "Playing House" to the nth degree, and its gaming population is mostly female (or was, the last time I looked at the stats).
Part of the problem is that there are not a lot of female game designers (I work at one of the few schools in the country that offer the Game Design & Development B.S. degree). The population is about 1% of the total designers.
Look at some of the games on Facebook that are female dominated--and played by a LOT of teens. The ones that appeal to females are the ones that appeal to what they like to do ANYWAY. Sorority Life is one that comes to mind, and Farmville and YoVille. I have teenage cousins that LOVE those games, and play them often.
The other thing to look at is for console games, the Wii has grabbed a LOT of the female console players--again, because the games appeal to them anyway. I have a 7 year old niece that LOVES to play on the Wii--but the games she plays are "Disney Princesses" and "Rock Band" and "Mario Party 8" and "Carnival Games". With the way that the controllers work on the Wii, it's not as much learning how to press the right buttons, but about timing and control. She likes the sports games too--Tennis, and the Olympics, and golf, of all things.
/shrug
I think there are lots of reasons girls don't get into it, but mostly I think it's game content and delivery.
They make games that appeal to me. I wouldn't go near any of the stuff you mentioned. On the other hand, I'm not a "girl." Somehow this thread keeps straying from female gamers to "girls."
The adult female gamers I know play the same kind of stuff the guys do. I think that stuff either appeals to someone or it doesn't. Not all guys like that stuff either. i.e. everyone is simply not interested in gaming. And the women I know who don't play them don't mess with the stuff you're talking about either. They just don't play games at all.
Maybe there aren't many female game developers because they don't want to be.
You asked why younger girls don't start playing to begin with---and I pointed out why.
I never played video games as a younger woman (age 5-25, since you don't like the word "girl" for someone who technically IS a girl--a minor under the age of 18). I thought video games were idiotic and a waste of time, especially as a teenager.
It took the right game to make me a believer in video games (in my case, it was SimCity, followed by Civilization, followed by The Sims, with others between).
I'm now a HUGE fan of MMOs, and have beta-tested several, some of which I liked enough to play after launch.
Maybe there aren't a lot of female gamers because it's a field that women haven't broken into--and believe me, the sexism is pretty bad. Saying there aren't many female game developers because they don't want to be is like saying there weren't many female doctors in the 1950s because women didn't WANT to be doctors.
I never asked that. I made a comment about "females who just plain don't like games to start with..." Females, not younger girls. And it wasn't a question - it was a statement.Quote:
You asked why younger girls don't start playing to begin with---and I pointed out why.
You're being very good at confusing what I'm saying. This whole thread was started over "female" gamers. So I was discussing females - of all ages. Just females in general, including older women. But people were responding to me about "girls" - like younger people, and that wasn't necessarily what I was referring to. Perhaps other people were, but they were responding to me when I was referring to females in general, including older ones.Quote:
I never played video games as a younger woman (age 5-25, since you don't like the word "girl" for someone who technically IS a girl--a minor under the age of 18).
You just did the same thing. You're off talking about what younger females like and I wasn't referring to that at all. So you're one more person who took what I said about females in general and turned it into something about younger girls. I mean, c'mon, Disney Princesses? That entire post was about younger girls and not related to anything at all that I was talking about. You started talking about married women, with kids and responsbiilities, and I was responding to that. Next post you twisted it back around to younger girls again.
It has nothing to do with the use of the word "girl" - it has to do with discussing females and then twisting the whole discussion back around as though it's only to do with girls.
No it's not. People of any "group" (females, minorities, whatever) have this tendency to think that there's something "wrong" with a small percentage of that group doing something, as though there's something innately bad about it. Just because the world is half women doesn't mean half the gamers need to be women, and then if they're not, something must be wrong. There's nothing "wrong" if women/girls/whatever don't play games the way men do.Quote:
Maybe there aren't a lot of female gamers because it's a field that women haven't broken into--and believe me, the sexism is pretty bad. Saying there aren't many female game developers because they don't want to be is like saying there weren't many female doctors in the 1950s because women didn't WANT to be doctors.
It's like arguing about what percent of engineers are women, as though there's something "wrong" that not more are. Or doctors. Or whatever else. Lots of doctors are women now, so obviously there's nothing standing in their way. But lots of engineers aren't women. So then women want to think that's "wrong." Why? Maybe they don't want to be engineers.
And maybe they don't want to be game developers either.
How often does anyone freak that not very many men are nurses? Rarely. It rarely ever gets discussed. In fact, people usually find it weird when they run across a male nurse. But no one freaks over it. Oh wow, half the world is men, so half the nurses ought to be men. No one says that.
You know why? Cause no one cares what men do. They don't care if men aren't doing the things women do. No one cares if a man doesn't knit or cook. But as soon as women aren't doing something, it's a major catastrophy.
Give me one good reason that any female needs to play games, or needs to develop games.
And if princess stuff and farmtown and sorority crap were the only thing women could manage to do, I'd rather have men doing it anyway.
I'm offended that you think that princess stuff and farmtown and sorority crap are somehow below the average person---and that somehow, the games that men primarily play (first person shooters, for instance) are somehow intellectually more stimulating.
I don't have a problem with women NOT wanting to do it. However--I WORK with young women who enroll in the program and STATE that they leave the program because the men in the program push them out--that they are not taken seriously, and are given a hard time and sexist comments and basically made to NOT want to deal with the crap just to have a job in game design--they go on to other forms of programming or graphic design much of the time. Less than 2% of our Game Design graduates are female, though about 10% of applicants are female.
THAT is where I was going with the doctor comments. I think that enough (though I'm sure it's not 50%) women would like to do it, but that they're not willing to deal with the sexism currently in place in the game design environment--and yes, I've heard from women who DID graduate the program, and it's as bad or worse in the field for a female game designer.
I am just trying to point out that at least SOME women WANT to do it--just like some women in the 50s wanted to be doctors, and some women in the 70s wanted to be cops. I'm not saying that it is 50% of the population, I'm saying that it's going to take more women breaking through the "good ol' boys" in place now before we see a significant increase in female game designers.
I like your points Synnen, the majority of women do like playing more puzzle based games, and stay away from the mindless, "point and blow it up games"
Me however, I do like those mindless point and shoot games.
I have been addicted to Unreal Tourmanent at the moment, and even though it is mindless violence, I still find it fun :)
I find myself playing a lot of Facebook games as well though, mostly puzzle based ones.
And finally my Nintendo DS, I have quite a wide range of games on there, from puzzle games, to brain training to just plain old fun kids games.
Love playing anything RPG, it's a great way to get "lost" in the game and escape from reality for a while, The Final Fantasy series is surprisingly played by a pretty even field, I know just as many girls and I do guys that have played them.
I never said that either!Quote:
Originally Posted by Synnen
Perhaps if you actually paid attention to what I really say, instead of making up this crap that I've never said, you wouldn't be so offended. (That's twice in a row you've just outright made up something I've said.)
As for the princess stuff and sorority crap, being "below" someone isn't really the point. The point is that a mature woman is not likely to be interested in that stuff. That sounds like girl stuff. I didn't even get into sorority stuff when I was in college, let alone now.
And you're also now stereotyping the guys, that all they do is a bunch of mindless non-intellectual stuff. Granted, there's a pretty big male audience for that stuff. A higher percentage of the younger male audience is into that stuff than the older male audience.
But there's a lot of stuff in between, including stuff guys play. I don't play princesses and sorority stuff. I have ONE shooter than I like, probably because it does require more thought and patience and isn't just going around kabooming everything. (Though kabooming can be fun for short spurts.)
And yet... I have well over 100 games sitting around here. So if I don't have sorority stuff and I only own one shooter, what exactly are all these games that I have? Obviously there's a lot more for me to be referring to than those two extremes, you think? And plenty of them offer intellectual stimulation. (Not that there's anything wrong with working out the ole' reflexes too, as long as you stop to have a life.)
I never said the shooters were more intellectually stimulating than the girl games. I never said anything even remotely like that. I say I have no interest in those "girl games" and suddenly I think shooters are more intellectual? I don't even play shooters so why would I be talking about that? Where do you come up with this stuff?
And why are you so thoroughly convinced that it's going to take women designers to make games that more women will like and thereby increase their numbers? You've talked as though you want more intellectually stimulating stuff. That stuff exists. Men develop most of that stuff. (Not that the number of women gamers needs to increase.)
And by the way, pretty much most of the male gamers I know are perfectly happy having the female gamers join them. And most of the male computer geeky people I know are perfectly happy to have the female computer geeky people join them too. I also know very, very few women who would ever be into something like designing games. Oh... and while you work at a school and are in contact with people in the business, I hang around some places that include a lot of those people, designers, programmers, etc. I don't see what you're talking about. The people I see in that business aren't any less relevant than the people you see in it.
So... now *I* am not a "mature woman" because I like those games? I'll be sure to pass that on to my 30 something friends--male AND female--who play those games. I didn't get into sorority crap in college either. Perhaps you should see what the game is ACTUALLY about before passing judgement, hmm?Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
[qupte]And you're also now stereotyping the guys, that all they do is a bunch of mindless non-intellectual stuff. Granted, there's a pretty big male audience for that stuff. A higher percentage of the younger male audience is into that stuff than the older male audience.[/quote]
No... what I said was that while women dominate puzzle games, men dominate first person shooters. And made the comparison that if YOU were calling one idiotic based on your opinion, I was doing the same based on MY opinion. I never got into killing other people and running around with a gun when I was younger.
I've been playing video games on the computer since 1996 (which is when I got my first computer). My husband and I own every console system ever put out except the Wii and the Nintendo 64. I have a 500 disc CD rack in the computer room FULL of games---and that isn't counting the console games, of which there is another rack in the living room holding 300 more. This isn't counting the games downloaded on each of the 4 computers in the house, or the ones played online. I'm 34, my husband is 39. I couldn't tell you a SINGLE genre that isn't owned in our house, and that we haven't both tried. I've been involved in forums online regarding most of the RPGs out there (which are really my favorite), and have beta tested several games.Quote:
And yet... I have well over 100 games sitting around here. So if I don't have sorority stuff and I only own one shooter, what exactly are all these games that I have? Obviously there's a lot more for me to be referring to than those two extremes, you think? And plenty of them offer intellectual stimulation. (Not that there's anything wrong with working out the ole' reflexes too, as long as you stop to have a life.)
They're happy to have them join in PLAYING the games. That makes them "cool". It also makes them an easy way for a guy that finds it hard to meet women to date to find women to date---NOT that I am saying that ALL gamers find it hard to find someone to date.Quote:
and why are you so thoroughly convinced that it's going to take women designers to make games that more women will like and thereby increase their numbers? You've talked as though you want more intellectually stimulating stuff. That stuff exists. Men develop most of that stuff. (Not that the number of women gamers needs to increase.)
And by the way, pretty much most of the male gamers I know are perfectly happy having the female gamers join them. And most of the male computer geeky people I know are perfectly happy to have the female computer geeky people join them too. I also know very, very few women who would ever be into something like designing games. Oh... and while you work at a school and are in contact with people in the business, I hang around some places that include a lot of those people, designers, programmers, etc. I don't see what you're talking about. The people I see in that business aren't any less relevant than the people you see in it.
I never said the people you know are less valid. I said that based on what I see, on females trying to break into the field, that it's still a sexist field.
Honey--I don't know why I bother talking to you. I gave my opinion on why I thought women don't play video games as much as men do---but OBVIOUSLY, you know more about it than I do.
Good luck in life. I'm done with you.
It really isn't, that is an unfair comparrison synnQuote:
Originally Posted by Synnen
Maybe that's because they don't make the grades required, think about it you seem to have a know about how many people try to become games programmers/designers, how many of those don't make the grades, it seems to me as though your suggesting that shouldn't apply to females in that category and that all 10% (as you say) should become graduates, when couldn't that be simply because other people have better grades/marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Synnen
I have to agree with morgaine saying we males would be grateful for more female game programmers/designers on our course, but it seems that the programming and geames design courses aren't as preferable as others (from my experience a lot of the females interested in developing games go into the desgn side and not the programming side) when they go to university/college the course is there for them to choose, but very few do (compared to males)
So I think it's a choice of the females of today and not sexism in the field which determins how many female game developers there are.
<-- Female Game Design college graduate and video game player.
I was the only female that graduated with my class because I grew up with the type of people I had to go to school with for 3 years straight. I am completely desensitized to the sexism I had to put up with.
It didn't take long for those boys to find out I wasn't there to play pokemon and world of warcraft with them-- I was there to MAKE games. The other women that only lasted a quarter or two were either closet-cases that weren't used to that much unwanted attention from boys, or they were the "halo fangirls" that pretend to play just for attention and realized that going to school for games wasn't the same as playing them.
SO.. to answer your question. "Why are there so few female gamers?"
THERE ISN'T. Female gamers make up MORE THAN HALF of the total gamers in this world. They just aren't playing the mindless "POINT AND SHOOT" games that SOME PEOPLE think constitute as "games. "
The Sims, Sorority Life, World Of Warcraft, Rock Band, Cooking Mama, Halo, Call of Duty, Super Mario Bros, CASINO GAMES---- ALL games.
Sexist.
That's a good point I hadn't thought of. A lot of times when people quote things like that, they pull it out of context, and also make an assumption as to the reasoning behind it. All schools have drop-outs, whether it be because they couldn't make the grades, or had to take a full-time job and never found time, or whatever reason. People drop out of all programs and without a comparison, it's meaningless.Quote:
maybe that's because they don't make the grades required, think about it you seem to have a know about how many people try to become games programmers/designers, how many of those don't make the grades, it seems to me as though your suggesting that shouldn't apply to females in that category and that all 10% (as you say) should become graduates, when couldn't that be simply because other people have better grades/marks
I suspect it's a combination of the two. But a lack of interest in that area I'm fairly sure has a lot to do with it. I can just tell by the kind of women I meet -- I too work at a college so I meet people with all sorts of interest and that kind of area just isn't common for the women.Quote:
so I think it's a choice of the females of today and not sexism in the field which determins how many female game developers there are.
I said they 'weren't likely' to like them. That does not mean a) that no one does, or b) that you're immature if you do like them. The fact that many mature female players would not like those games does NOT draw the conclusion that if you do like them then you're not a mature women. I bet most guys don't like them either. So by that logic, if they do like them, they are both immature and gay, right?Quote:
So... now *I* am not a "mature woman" because I like those games? I'll be sure to pass that on to my 30 something friends--male AND female--who play those games.
Jeez, I play Nancy Drew games, which were meant for teenage girls.
Oh, and by the way, you are the one who used the term "idiotic."
YOU, my dear, are the one who said all the "teens" were playing them, and that your "teen" cousins loved them, and then started talking about some 7 year old relative. Not that that means older women aren't playing them, but you're the one who put all the stress on the girls playing that stuff, not I. I don't care about any specific game -- I was just meaning the whole lump sum of that type of stuff. There can always be exceptions.Quote:
Perhaps you should see what the game is ACTUALLY about before passing judgement, hmm?
Besides, I want nothing to do with Facebook to start with.
Hmm, that's nice. Well, obviously then you realize that something besides girl games and shooters exist. So then why is it that when I say I'm not into the girl games, you draw the conclusion that I must think shooters are more intellectually challenging? There is ZIPPO logic in that conclusion. And there are more types of games than that. My brain says you know that. But your conclusion says you don't know that. Despite all those games you've got.Quote:
I've been playing video games on the computer since 1996 (which is when I got my first computer). My husband and I own every console system ever put out except the Wii and the Nintendo 64. I have a 500 disc CD rack in the computer room FULL of games---and that isn't counting the console games, of which there is another rack in the living room holding 300 more. This isn't counting the games downloaded on each of the 4 computers in the house, or the ones played online. I'm 34, my husband is 39. I couldn't tell you a SINGLE genre that isn't owned in our house, and that we haven't both tried. I've been involved in forums online regarding most of the RPGs out there (which are really my favorite), and have beta tested several games.
I've beta tested games too. Who the heck cares? What's that got to do with anything?
I believe I also said that there were developers and programmers on those groups, and they were perfectly happy to include the women also. That must have slipped your mind while you were busy insisting that everything's sexist.Quote:
They're happy to have them join in PLAYING the games.
Originally all I did was give some simple opinions back. Then you decided to answer my "question" about why younger girls don't play them... while I mentioned it, I never asked why cause I don't care why. And your explanation of why younger girls don't play games more is to tell me how they're "dominating" Facebook games and "love" all that stuff. That doesn't really sound like a valid reason that they don't play games. I mean, huh?Quote:
I gave my opinion on why I thought women don't play video games as much as men do---but OBVIOUSLY, you know more about it than I do.
And that women prefer more intellectually stimulating stuff. Well, that stuff exists so that doesn't sound very valid either.
Your valid reasons were that it's all sexist (I don't totally agree but at least it's valid) and women are too busy with kids and household stuff, and I merely said that obviously wasn't the whole story.
Then then you started getting offended over stuff I never said...
I like how that internet Special Olympics guy was in too much of a hurry to slam on Synn that he didn't bother to read my post.. which is straight from the "horses mouth". Nice. *claps for morgaine* Now that you've won all of the internets, maybe you should get a Facespace account and tell all of your friends?
So, did you actually manage to get into designing? Just curious cause I know it's a competitive field. (For men too.) I've known some programmers (not designers) who have wanted to get into games and just could never get a job in it.Quote:
<-- Female Game Design college graduate and video game player.
And if you are in it, be curious what you've worked on. But I wouldn't want you to have to reveal where you work or anything. Doesn't keep me from being curious though. ;)
Sometimes the only way to get yourself taken seriously is to just be serious. Eventually they get a clue I guess.Quote:
It didn't take long for those boys to find out I wasn't there to play pokemon and world of warcraft with them-- I was there to MAKE games.
Um... he posted like five hours before you did.Quote:
I like how that internet Special Olympics guy was in too much of a hurry to slam on Synn that he didn't bother to read my post.. which is straight from the "horses mouth". Nice.
Not to mention he didn't exactly "slam" on her. He said he thought she was making an unfair comparison, and then politely gave his opinion on a couple of things. That's hardly slamming.
Did she mean me by 'internet special olympics guy'?Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
Because I don't get the link?
I didn't think her post made much sense either, but you were the only "guy" who posted recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by albear
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