:confused:is it legal for a 25 year old and a 16 year old to date in pa and if not why
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:confused:is it legal for a 25 year old and a 16 year old to date in pa and if not why
Age of Consensual Sex in the USA
It seems your OK
Why would a 25 year old want to date a 16 year old? Typically a 25 year old has graduated from college, whereas a 16 year old is either a sophomore or junior in high school.
While it may be legal in some states, it borders on pedophelia. A 25 year old man better never come near my 16 year old daughter.
Just my opinion.
Well its legal so what's the problem? I actually just found out a few hours ago that my 16 yr old sister is going out with a 22 yr old. I don't mind, my dad might see it differently though. If your happy together age shouldn't be a problem
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The age difference of 16 and 25 is huge because of where each person is in their life. One is just finishing high school and has so much growing up to do. The 25 year old should be beginning their life as an adult.
Now if you said someone was 25 and their boyfriend was 34 it seems a bit better because they are both relatively in the same points in their life.
My husband is 38 and I am 29. We started dating when I was 22 and he was 31, but not seriously until I was about 24.
Would I have dated him at 16... no way. My mother and father would have killed him! But now it works.
Oh, but at these ages age can most definitely be a problem.
They are at different psychological stages in development at these ages.
At the age of 16, one is still dealing with psychological stages associated with sexual maturation. This is when the teen typically begins to ask and find out "Who am I?" This is also when the adolescent is acquiring a sense of identity essential for making adult decisions such what they want to do with their lives. During this stage in life there are also new social demands, opportunities, and conflicts that one must overcome.
Now, the age of 25 is when the young adult has ALREADY developed a sense of identity. This is when one is able to fully participate in the community, enjoying adult freedom and responsibility.
These two particular ages are so far apart that it rarely, if ever, works. They are striving for different goals and have different responsibilities.
Now, if you are talking about a 30 year old and a 39 year old (same age difference, different psychosocial structure) it can work beautifully.
Psychologically we mature at different speeds. The mental, emotional, and psychological ability of a 16 year old is nowhere near that of a 25 year old.
The above is not my opinion, but research done by Erikson (a famous developmental psychologist). The below, however, is my opinion.
I still maintain that this borders on pedophelia. Why would a 25 year old want to date someone as young as 16?
I really don't know but have you ever watched Dateline? I saw someone on there who was 22 going after a 15 year old and they arrested him. I would wait until she's about 18 or so before you have any kind of sexual relationship. I know it depends on the laws in the state though.
I agree with you J-9. 16 and 25 too much of an age difference... if they really want to be together they should wait. Both has so much changing to do... emotionally and physically. Much like you stated with Erikson.
They need to wait... if it is meant to be then they will find their way back to each other in a few years from now... take it from someone who knows.
Me and him went out when we were 13 and 22 we broke up because he didn't want to break the law and now we found each other again and I just foundout its legal so I'm going to be with him
Great, more power to you!! ;)
I hope your parents don't mind and I wish you luck.
Ok so 13 and 22... that is pedophelia.
Honey there is something wrong with a grown man that wants to be with a 13 year old.
Yuck, ick, and blech.
It depends on if u love her or not and probley soQuote:
Originally Posted by mikenme0522
Age bdoes not matter
It's a mixed bag folks.
Older people understand how underdeveloped the young mind is. That's not an insult to the young, it's the reality.
I have an aunt who married a man who is a dozen years younger. Fantastic relationship. Of course, he was in his late 20's to early 30's at the time. He was an adult.
Those who say "as long as youre in love" are really clueless about how the mind differs from 14 to 16 to 18 to 22 to 28.
I really don't care if its legal or not under the law, but if its not legal in my house then it will not be tolerated. If you can support yourself fine, do it but if your counting on my roof for protection my law is the only one you need be concerned with.
While that was a good link posted by Lowtax, I think it missed something. In some states, even where the age of consent has been reached, there is an issue of age difference. So an 18 year old datying a 16 year old would not raise eyebrows, but a 30 year old dating the same 16 yr old could result in statutory rape charges.
In my opinion, the difference between 16 and 25 is at the edge of reason. I have to wonder why a 25 yr old would even be interested in a 16 yr old (or for that matter, a 22 yr old and a 13 yr old). It sounds like exploitation or worse. I don't really see a future for such a relationship. I would wait at least 2 more years and see if he's still interested.
I DON'T KNOW!? THIS IS THE ACTUAL VERIAGE OF THE STATUE FOR THE STATE OF PENNSYVANIA:
MINORS
Sexual Abuse of Children (18 Pa. C.S. § 6312)
(a) Definition – As used in this section, "prohibited sexual act" means sexual intercourse as defined in 18 Pa. C.S. § 3101, masturbation, sadism, masochism, bestiality, fellatio, cunnilingus, lewd exhibition of the genitals or nudity if such nudity is depicted for the purpose of sexual stimulation or gratification of any person who might view such depiction.
(b) Photographing, videotaping, depicting on computer or filming sexual acts – Any person who causes or knowingly permits a child under the age of 18 years of age to engage in a prohibited sexual act or in the simulation of such act is guilty of a felony of the second degree if such person knows, has reason to know, or intends that such act may be photographed, videotaped, depicted on computer, or filmed. Any person who knowingly photographs, videotapes, depicts on computer or films a child under the age of 18 years engaging in a prohibited sexual act or in the simulation of such an act is guilty of a felony of the second degree.
(c) Dissemination of photographs, videotapes, computer depictions, and films – Any person who knowingly sells, distributes, delivers, disseminates, transfers, displays, or exhibits to others, or who possesses for the purpose of sale, distribution, delivery, dissemination, transfer, display or exhibition to others, any book, magazine, pamphlet, slide, photograph, film videotape, computer depiction or other material depicting a child under the age of 18 years engaging in a prohibited sexual act or in the simulation of such act commits an offense.
(d) Possession of Child Pornography – Any person who knowingly possesses or controls any book, magazine, pamphlet, slide, photograph, film, videotape, computer depiction or other material depicting a child under the age of 18 years engaging in a prohibited sexual act or in the simulation of such act commits an offense.
Unlawful Contact with a Minor (18 Pa. C.S. § 6318)
(a) Offense defined – A person commits an offense if he is intentionally in contact with a minor, or a law enforcement officer acting in the performance of his duties who has assumed the identity of a minor, for the purpose of engaging in an activity prohibited under any of the following, and either the person initiating the contact or the person being contacted is within this Commonwealth:
Any of the offenses enumerated in 18 Pa. C.S. § 3101 et seq. (relating to sexual offenses);
Open lewdness as defined in 18 Pa. C.S. § 5901 (relating to open lewdness);
Prostitution as defined in 18 Pa. C.S. § 5902 (relating to prostitution and related offenses);
Obscene and other sexual materials and performances as defined in 18 Pa. C.S. § 5903 (relating to obscene and other sexual materials and performances);
Sexual abuse of children as defined in 18 Pa. C.S. § 6312 (relating to sexual abuse of children); or
Sexual exploitation of children as defined in 18 Pa. C.S. § 6320 (relating to sexual exploitation of children).
(c) Definitions – The following words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this subsection:
"Computer" – An electronic, magnetic, optical, hydraulic, organic or other high-speed data processing device or system which performs logic, arithmetic or memory functions and includes all input, output, processing, storage, software or communication facilities which are connected or related to the device in a computer system or computer network.
"Computer Network" – The interconnection of two or more computers through the usage of satellite, microwave, line or other communication medium.
"Computer System" – A set of related, connected or unconnected computer equipment, devices and software.
"Contacts" – Direct or indirect contact or communication by any means, method or device, including any contact or communication in person or through an agent or agency, through any print medium, the mails, a common carrier or communication common carrier, any electronic communication system and any telecommunications, wire, computer, or radio communications device or system.
"Minor" – An individual under 18 years of age.
Sexual Exploitation of Children (18 Pa. C.S. § 6320)
(a) Offense defined – A person commits the offense of sexual exploitation of children if he or she procures for another person a child under 18 years of age for the purpose of sexual exploitation.
(c) Definitions
"Procure" – To obtain or make available for sexual exploitation.
"Sexual exploitation" – Actual or simulated sexual activity or nudity arranged for the purpose of sexual stimulation or gratification of any person.
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Offenses Related to Sex Offender Registration Requirements
Conduct Relating to Sex Offenders (18 Pa. C.S.§3130)
(a) Offense Defined: If a person has reason to believe that a sex offender is not complying with or has not complied with the requirements of the sex offender’s probation or parole, imposed by statute or court order, or with the registration requirements of 42 Pa. C.S. §9795.2 (Relating to Registration Procedures and Applicability), and the person, with the intent to assist the sex offender in eluding a law enforcement agent or agency that is seeking to find the sex offender to question the sex offender about, or to arrest the sex offender for, noncompliance with the requirements of sex offender’s probation or parole or the requirements of 42 Pa. C.S. §9795.2.
Withholds information from or does not notify the law enforcement agent or agency about the sex offender’s noncompliance with the requirements of parole, the requirements of 42 Pa. C.S. §9795.2 or, if known, the sex offender’s whereabouts;
Harbors or attempts to harbor or assist another person in harboring or attempting to harbor the sex offender;
Conceals or attempts to conceal, or assists another person in concealing or attempting to conceal, the sex offender; or
Provides information to the law enforcement agent or agency regarding the sex offender which the person knows to be false.
(b) Definition: As used, the term "sex offender" means a person who is required to register with the Pennsylvania State Police pursuant to the provisions of 42 Pa. C.S. §9795.1 (relating to registration).
General Rule (18 Pa. C.S.§3141) – A person:
Convicted under Section 3121 (relating to rape), 3122.1 (relating to statutory sexual assault), 3123 (relating to involuntary deviate sexual intercourse), 3124.1 (relating to sexual assault), 3125 (relating to aggravated indecent assault) or 3126 (relating to indecent assault); or
Required to register with the Pennsylvania State Police under 42 Pa. C.S. §9795.2 (relating to registration procedures and applicability);
May be required to forfeit property rights in any property or assets used to implement or facilitate commission of the crime or crimes of which the person has been convicted. Such property may include, but is not limited to, a computer or computers, telephone equipment, firearms, licit or illicit prescription drugs or controlled substances, a motor vehicle or such other property or assets as determined by the court of common pleas to have facilitated the person’s criminal misconduct.
I think that's too big of an age difference. Why on earth would a 25 year old man date a HIGH SCHOOLER - A SOPHOMORE.
Half of these answers are pointless, the question wasn't 'What are your opinions on... ' or 'What are the moral issues behind... ' or 'Do you think... '
Is it legal? That's all the person asking the question want's to know! Lol!
And by the look of the above, the answer seems to be 'No!'
I don't think that it is right for a 16 and a 25 yr old to date really but of an age gap and the law is against it.
Yes It Is Legal In Pa
And one misses another question what does the parent or guardian of the 16 year old think of this, if they tell her no, then the older man can be charged with interfeing with custody, taking a minor without permission of the parent or guardian,
And the parents can then also seek relief from the courts agasinst the 16 year old if she will not obey her parents and stop seeing him. At this point she could end up in Juv Hall for her actions.
We have looked mostly at the sexual aspect ( which of course wold be the only reason a 25 year old would go out with a 16 year old) but just the pure dating can be stopped by the parents if they want to.
This would be legal in the United Kingdom as long as the woman has reached her 16th birthday but really, the two concerned would be at different maturity levels. This might sound hypocritical because I met my ex when I was 23 and she was 17, so not much difference to what you have suggested.
Things ended (she broke it off) after 3 years being together for the reason that we were at different maturity levels and there was basically too much of an age gap. Between 16 and 25, there is a big difference, something that I opened my mind up to when things went belly up in my relationship.
So to answer the question specifically, I am sure it is legal (in most countries) but in terms of what is best for both the 16 year old and 25 year old, I think they would be unsuited because of this age difference. It is really down to the individuals though and I am open minded enough as long as it is all legal and moral to not judge someone of the age of 25 who has a relationship with a 16 year old.
Bear in mind that you also have to see this from a parents point of view.
I would not go there though.. At 27 now, I am looking for someone more within my age bracket, perhaps even older...
At least women over the age of 25 mostly know what they want. If that isn't me, they probably won't give me the time of day.. LOL
When I was 16 I started seeing a 31 year old man I am now nearly 19 and we're still together and have a 1 year old daughter. It is legal and if its right for you and your happy what else matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikenme0522
Mikenme, it is legal for you guys to be together and if you guys want to be together, then I honestly don't think that anyone should try to stand in your way. Now if you two are walking down the street and he gives you a quick kiss or something you can legally be stopped by a police officer, you'll have to show your id's and all that other stuff. It sucks when they do that, I am currently dating a girl 4 years younger and it sucks when stuff like that happens
And I honestly think that ANYONE should try to stand in the way of a relationship like the OP asked about. That the differences between a 16 or 25 year old are very wide. There is very little that I can conceive those two would have in common so one has to wonder about the attraction and whether exploitation is the motive.Quote:
Originally Posted by JapanMan
You don't say your relative ages (nothing wrong with 4 yrs if the girl is at least 18), but if it sucks to be questioned about it, maybe you should question your motives.
At this age 2 years makes a big difference. If there really is an attraction, then they can wait 2 years when the motives will be less questionable.
You are very lucky (so far). Clearly the attraction here was sex and whether you believe it or not you WERE exploited. I also notice you say "still together" not married. Which indicates you are still being exploited. Even if you are the fairy tale and it all works out, its still irresponsible to encourage a relationship like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jody88
Hold on here.
Love is blind but the courts ain't. In PA please consult Title 18 -statute 322.1
(your boyfriend is too much older than you still it would seem. If you were both minors there might be some wiggle room).
So, if you are planning intimate relations, and I would guess you are, kindly read on:
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Pennsylvania
The age of consent in Pennsylvania is 16 years of age
A person who is 4 or more years older than a consenting partner who is less than 16 years of age can be charged with the following felony sex offenses: Statutory sexual assault {§ 3122.1} (vaginal or anal intercourse), Aggravated indecent assault {§ 3125} (penetration of the vagina or anus with any part of the perpetrator's body or an object), Involuntary deviate sexual intercourse {§ 3123} (oral sex).
There is no "4 year rule" for the charge of corruption of minors. Additionally, the offense of corruption of minors is nebulously defined, criminalizing any conduct committed by a person 18 years and upwards which tends to corrupt the morals of a person less than 18 years of age. No case law has been found that sex or sexual contact with a person 16 years of age or greater within the Commonwealth has been considered as corruption of a minor.
The Official PA Criminal Code
The PA Code Title 18.
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If this is just too perfect in your eyes then please talk to your parents if this is a real relationship.
If someone wanted to make trouble, he would be in trouble...
My 2 cents: Get into a good college (I hope he did) and circle back in a year ot two...
I know that is way to ice your hormones, but just advice you can take for what you paid for it... :-)
Good luck.
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If, by "date" you mean merely keeping company, then yes, it's perfectly legal. Of course, keep in mind that she's subject to curfew laws which you aren't and if she's out past the times specified in your presence you could be held liable. Also she can't go to certain places such as nightclubs and other places where alcohol is served. Again, if you were to take her to any such places, you'd be held responsible. And of course, any form of sexual intimacy and you're guilty of statutory rape and your name gets placed on the sex offenders' registry. You'll then be forever branded as a pedophile, even if you never had any such intention. All of this could result from even so much as a goodnight kiss. Frankly I'd limit my dating to people 18 or older, just to be on the safe side.
Now if that doesn't light a romantic torch, I don't know what will! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by s_cianci
Wrong, kissing is under a different category than statutory rape, if you scroll up you'll see where I guy classified all the different charges that could apply to youQuote:
Originally Posted by s_cianci
Do you think a kiss is okay with her parents??
You miss the point. Even though just a kiss would not get you bought up on statuory rape charges, it could lead to other things. The point is that an older guy dating an underage girl is a recipe for trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by JapanMan
Im reading the law that Ash123 posted and it seems like he will be OK no matter what happens, the parents and we might not like it but the law is pretty clear that he wouldn't face any charges.
Lowtax, I see a 4 years+-older issue... Might re-read to be sure, but looks like a legal problem. I'd say it's a no-go.
The first paragraph says if the minor is under 16 he can be charged with...
The second says "there is no 4 year rule", all he can be charged with is corrupting a minor due to the age difference, but then again it says consensual sex does not count as corrupting a minor. This probably relates to getting minor to drink / do drugs etc.
Even if it's legal, it is not moral. What do you want?
Better back off, and think about your intention.
It's also worth mentionning this is a post originally from March, so whatever happened already happened. They probably dated and broke up by now.
HA!
Well, if we are wrangling about legal minutia, the odds are it is not a match to be cherished... I still see some issues, but, as they say - it's old news...
Ohh that's kind of tough, if the age gap was the same but she was older that wouldn't be so bad, I think your a little to old for her, I know it may be legal (with a good lawyer), but if it was my daughter I wouldn't be very happy.
Well am 15 and am dating a 29 year old... I love him and wudnt change him for the world!! I fink if yous are happy together... go for it... xOx:)
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