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  • May 25, 2008, 05:02 PM
    softbalgrl1331
    What has the world come to?
    I am upset with society as of right now. Why, you ask?

    WELL... I've heard cases of girls getting pregnant at THIRTEEN YEARS OLD!

    I think that teen girls getting pregnant SO young is absolutely crazy!

    Furthermore, (in my opinion) its shocking that some people believe this is okay.

    My question is: What is your opinion on teenage pregnancies?
  • May 25, 2008, 05:14 PM
    Fr_Chuck
    Yes, of course on hear, it is mostly other teens that see no problem in it.
  • May 25, 2008, 05:24 PM
    Xrayman
    Girls getting pregnant at 13 is not new. The world has not changed much at all-it's just that now you hear about it more
  • May 27, 2008, 07:12 AM
    Sonador101
    I don't support it, but I know why some people do, they say that we were having kids at this age in the middle ages, why not now? The promblem is that was the middle ages when we were lucky to live to 40, now kids are literally screwing up there lives and the media is supporting it. Kids see it on TV, and they want to be like everyone else and they do it.
    But being a teenager I know the pressure kids can be under, added to the wacky hormones makes it all so hard to say "no".
    My own sister got pregnant when she was 16, and man she had to stod school, and her boyfriend moved in with us, it was caious. Not to mention the dieses you can get from sex, man it just not worth it!
    But of course kids are thinking "it won't happen to me?" and guess what it happenss to them, gosh it's annoying. I don't know why its gotten so out of hand, why do parents let there kids run free and do whatever they please? Are they assuming the teens know what's best? Because they don't, they want to have fun NOW.
    I am also firm against abortions. I hope one day kids stop having sex so they don't need to have abortion, like one day every kid in the world was wanted. But that's in a perfect world, but until it is that we can still voice our oppinions.
  • May 27, 2008, 07:37 AM
    Synnen
    Of course people are against teen pregnancies.

    What a silly question!

    I'm ALSO against any kind of parenting, though, that leaves 13 year olds alone with the opposite sex long enough for something to happen. I'm against parenting that doesn't have enough of an idea who their kid is to know when they've started doing something (like have sex!) that the child feels they need to hide from their parents. I'm against the kind of society that actually PAYS these little girls to keep their babies.

    I'm also against divorce for reasons other than abuse, since that teaches kids that relationships are easily dissolved just because you're unhappy. I'm against Disney movies because they teach young girls that the first guy they meet and have feelings for (which is usually the same guy!) will be the guy they have "happily ever after" with. I'm against nearly all of the factors that LEAD to teen pregnancies, in other words.

    And yes, it happens that great parents still end up with a pregnant teen. I was one of those kids with great parents that did everything right and still ended up pregnant. But I think the vast majority of the times, it's the pressure of their peers combined with the LACK of any guidance from their parents that causes most teens to end up having sex in the first place.
  • May 27, 2008, 08:17 AM
    Sonador101
    Synnen as FOR DISNEY MOVIES, one I love disney movies, two have you watched those moviesthey all have good morals, and it didn't give me any ideas about that and I am 13, you should rephrase that. Plus did you see little cinderella having sex, no! Man it doesn't teach that stuff, it's a movie! OK I feel like you are being a little over protective here, and come on this is lame.
    In my opinion.
    Ps anyone feel the way I do?
  • May 27, 2008, 08:26 AM
    Synnen
    Okay... don't get me wrong. I like most Disney movies too.

    BUT--they teach that the first guy you fall in love with is the one that you're going to marry, even if you ARE pretty young, like Ariel and Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella. They teach that a MAN is what makes a woman's "happily-ever-after", not that she makes her OWN happily ever after.

    And no, I didn't see little Cinderella having sex--but what exactly do you think they were off to do on their honeymoon? So--she's having sex with the first guy she ever met, that showed interest in her. So she waits until marriage to do it, that's where the good morals comes in? Well, what if she COULDN'T marry him, not for YEARS? Since they planned on getting married, wouldn't it be okay to have sex? I mean, after all, isn't that what people who love each other DO?

    So a 13 year old in our society meets a guy who treats her like a princess, she falls for him, and they know they can't get married for at LEAST 5 more years. That's like--OMG!--almost half of the life the 13 year old has already lived! It's like, totally, a long long time. Like, forever! So, since they're going to get married ANYWAY, what difference does it make if the honeymoon is first? Besides, they both know that if and when they DO get married, if it doesn't work out, they can always get divorced. Heck, I'm a generation older, and most people MY age have that thought in the back of their brain when they're dating. Not that they'd necessarily ACT on that thought--but who doesn't know that, worst case scenario, they can just leave?
  • May 27, 2008, 08:27 AM
    bushg
    No, I don't think she is being lame at all, actually I think synn is right on and barbie ticks me off as well... bratz really gets under my skin.

    Leaving 13 year olds alone. Good point.
    Divorces, good point.
    Great parents... peer pressure usually overides what mom and dad say. After all their old what do they know.
    Kids are trampled with sexual images on t.v. magazines, music videos and in stores that they shop in.
  • May 27, 2008, 08:34 AM
    ScottGem
    I won't bother taking this poll because its ridiculous. I don't think anyone is in favor of teenage pregnancies. I doubt if anyone (except a small minority) is in favor of pregnancies outside of marriage.

    But I wholehertedly agree with synnen, that TV and movies (including Disney movies) are portraying male/female relationships as something that can be enjoyed at almost any age. The romanticism of being in love and being "with" someone of the opposite sex is hyped to an extreme. It makes some children (not all) want to have such a relationship. We recently had a 10 yr old posting that she wanted a boyfriend and asking how to get one.

    How often do we get questions here about 12-14 yr olds wanting to date boys 16 and older? Most of that is because boys 12-14 are just becoming interested in girls so the girls are looking for boys interested in them. But 16 yr old boys are generally interested in 12-14 yr old girls for one thing. The result is often a 13 yr old pregnant girl.
  • May 27, 2008, 10:23 AM
    suitntie
    well teenage pregnancy was common a long time ago... and its still pretty common. I do not agree with it though because teenagers don't yet know what life is about. Especially at 13... thats just a sad age to be pregnant. Kids these days lack morals and values... not all but very many of them. Its almost as if there is going to be a repeat of the fall of the Roman Empire... why did it fall? Because the families within the society failed.
  • May 28, 2008, 04:59 PM
    Sonador101
    OK I know I've been I pretty loud mouth on this subject, but I feel strongly. I'll admit that you guys have a point as far as movies go, though I think if parents are stable and they have a long talk about what a relationship is and how to keep it srtrong, and explain that love takes time and effort, if parents told there kids this talk, along with saying that sex is for marriage only, it would happen a lot less.
    Trust me, I am 13 years old and I know, I also know a lot of kids my age, and what our parents say really matters to us. I think a long talk with parents would outwhiegh TV and movie infullences. And if parnets had a strict "no dating policy" it would help a lot, I still stand firm that disney movies have good morals (in general) and for little girls, who are mostly oblivous to sex it won't matter.
    Ps enchanted is really good, cause she doesn't fall for the first guy she meets.)
  • May 28, 2008, 05:15 PM
    Xrayman
    Quote:

    Sonador101 agrees: yeah but I think we should do something about it
    Yea good idea-now what?

    Remove the instinct for sex? Stop puberty? Stop women and men liking each other?

    The answer nine-times-out-of ten is EDUCATION and communication.
  • May 28, 2008, 05:27 PM
    bushg
    Sonador101 agrees: yes leaving kids alone one way ticket to BAD BAD BAD


    Thanks for the greenie, but I was just basically agreeing with Synn and repeating the parts of her post that I agreed with...
  • May 29, 2008, 10:49 AM
    Sonador101
    bushg
    OK whatever, I still agree with you, I like posting responses because hardly EVER does anyone respond on me.
  • May 29, 2008, 12:51 PM
    softbalgrl1331
    See--> this post isn't ridiculous! Someone here supports teenage pregnancies, and although he/she didn't write anything about it, maybe others believe the same thing. I think some people are just afraid to say they support that because of the responses he/she would get from "opposers" like me.
  • May 29, 2008, 12:59 PM
    Sonador101
    WHAT? Someone supported it,OMG. What do you want to bet you THEY are pregnant and tennagers, but you'd think they learned there lesson. You know I honestly wish they had posted because then we could see why they think that, it would be interesring.
    And all you people who don't like disney movies watch "miracle on 34th street.
  • May 29, 2008, 03:24 PM
    softbalgrl1331
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sonador101
    what do you want to bet you THEY are pregnant and tennagers, but you'd think they learned there lesson. you know i honestly wish they had posted because then we could see why they think that, it would be interesring.


    I agree with you! :]
    My guess is that person either had a teenage pregnancy (like you said) or was close to someone who did.
  • May 29, 2008, 03:43 PM
    Xrayman
    Actually you are all wrong. If a teen becomes pregnant would you people be so shallow to DUMP them-i.e. not support them?? That places you in a catergory of not very nice people-what if she was raped? What about if she was a victim of incest?-holy mackerel people wake up and understand that there is a lot of grey in the world-it is not all black and white. Support/not-support.

    It is not a case of supporting versus not-supporting, it's a case of humanity and understanding.

    Also teen = 13 to 19 years old. In some countries, the girl is "married" at 13 to some old bastard and pregnant, would you Support her?

    as others have said, the poll is ridiculous. For the pregnant teen, the deed is done, she can't become un-pregnant just because YOU don't support her.

    cheers!
  • May 29, 2008, 03:50 PM
    Sonador101
    HEY, look don't get me wrong, my own sister was pregnant at 16, I KNOW. We didn't support her in the act she did, but we still loved her. And if in some countries its OK, what they heck, and I would still love the person if she was raped.
    'listen what I was talking about was kids intenntly having sex, and becoming pregnant, in the united states (since I am unfamilier with other contries) we're talking about kids having bfs and having sex when they are way too young! Duh!
    Like I said my sister was no saint and made a lot of mistakes, and she taght me what could happen, and because of her I now know not to do serioulsy. And I see the grey, and don't tell me you support teen pregnancies, in some countries yeah I suppose but in the united states they are not even adults yet/
  • May 29, 2008, 03:54 PM
    Synnen
    Actually... I don't remember ever voting, and now I have the poll results.

    It could have been someone like me, who doesn't support it, but clicked on the wrong part of the page to get it to pop up from behind another page. Or it could have been me for some dumb clicking problem or another. Like I said, I don't remember voting--so god only knows what I clicked on as a vote to get the poll results.
  • May 29, 2008, 04:02 PM
    Synnen
    Xrayman--I'm NOT a very nice person.

    I'm a person that thinks that people should take responsibility for their own actions--which means that I, as a taxpayer, don't pay for their stupidity when they become pregnant as a teen, or get AIDS and end up on public assistance for medical bills, whatever.

    No, I don't have much charity in my heart for people who do stupid things and KNOW they are stupid--such as having sex, getting pregnant, and not having the money to raise the child.

    So, NO, frankly, I don't support them. Rape and incest are incredibly different matters, as is any form of abuse. I fully support and would help in ANY way someone who makes up their mind to get away from their abuser/rapist. But--the second they run back to the jerk, the support stops. There's a limit to my compassion for idiots.

    So--I agree that there are a lot of grey areas. But I also am not a very nice person, and I'm happy to admit it. I'm also not Christian, so I don't have that religious commitment to charity, either. But--whatever. Teen pregnancy is going to happen--I wasn't an idiot, and I still got pregnant at 16--and we're all going to frown on it, and it's just going to perpetuate itself until we get rid of the attitude in society that SOMEONE will take care of us if the worst happens, and that it's always circumstances that put people in a bad spot. Phooey on that! It's personal decisions 99% of the time that put people in bad situations. Take responsibility!

    But--I won't see that happen any time soon, so I'll just sit on my porch with my cat, look crabby, and yell at the kids to get off the dang lawn.
  • May 29, 2008, 04:03 PM
    Xrayman
    So the correct poll question should have been

    "Do you support teenagers TRYING to become pregnant, with no way of supporting their babies or themselves?"

    BE CLEAR when you ask these sorts of questions. They are very contentious.
  • May 29, 2008, 04:15 PM
    Synnen
    Erm... I'm just really crabby at people who don't take responsibility for their actions today.

    My apologies, Xrayman. Didn't mean to attack you.

    I'm just sort of fed up with society in general today.
  • May 29, 2008, 04:18 PM
    Xrayman
    SYN: I understand, I know what you were alluding to, but I don't think the OP really framed the question unambiguously, or thought about the big picture.

    Cheers!
  • May 29, 2008, 05:47 PM
    sallyasdf
    Im against it 100%. It is CRAZY! The problem is that girls just seem to not care, they know what can happen to them, they know they shouldn't but they just don't care. I am against sex before marriage, I know that everybody doesen't think that way, but I really don't care what they think about my beleifs. I think that teens don't know how to say NO. So they are stupid and say I don't care, yes, or sure. Thank you for posting this, I am glad that someone has the same ideas as me.
  • May 29, 2008, 06:03 PM
    ScottGem
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by softbalgrl1331
    See--> this post isn't ridiculous! Someone here supports teenage pregnancies, and although he/she didn't write anything about it, maybe others believe the same thing. I think some people are just afraid to say they support that because of the responses he/she would get from "opposers" like me.

    That some idiot pressed the support choice doesn't mean much. Either they pressed the wrong button, or they just wanted to be contrary. I don't believe anyone in their right mind can be in favor of teenage pregnancies.
  • May 30, 2008, 07:52 AM
    templelane
    I'm going to add another layer of grey...

    I think after 18 then the person is an adult and if they can support the baby then they should be able to have one if they want. So in that way I would support 'teen' pregnancy.

    Not a choice I would have made but it's not my life either. If their partner can support them and the baby and they want to be a full time parent more than anything in the world who am I to judge or stop them?

    I don't think this is really an issue of supporting or not supporting as much as it is an issue of why does it happen, how can we effectively educate to prevent it and how can we support those how have children too young whilst not completely alleviating any personal responsibility.
  • May 30, 2008, 08:41 AM
    Sonador101
    Its hard your right, personally I thinkk we should prmote adoption as a more friendlt idea, that way the child is given to a loving hom, and the teens can be teens a little longer. Also we need to crackk down on sex in middle school, because that's when they're starting then again in high school. But the truth is the schools can only convey the danger, the parents can convey the right the wrong, the black the white AND the grey, and make the children fully understand the consquences.
  • May 30, 2008, 09:02 AM
    Alty
    If only we could make the kids fully understand the consequences, that's the problem. I have talked to so many teens on this site, many of them are "in love", they are under 16 and they want to have a baby. Oh they'll be fine, they make $50/week delivering newspapers and their parents will help out, well, they hope. And the guy, well, even though he's not on board yet, he will be once the pregnancy is confirmed, because they're "in love". I can talk until I'm blue in the face, be kind, understanding, rude and demanding, motherly, sisterly, try to talk to them at their level, nothing works, they know it all, we know nothing!

    Bring on the sex ed, watch it fall on deaf ears, pass out contraceptives in school, it's cool to have a condom in your wallet, and that's were it will likely stay.

    Were can we make a difference? Talk to your kids, start young, this is not a one time "talk" it is continuous, never ending, ongoing, and will likely make you want to pull out your hair. It's up to every one of us to prepare our kids for what's out there waiting for them. I'd love to help all the teens, but by the time they come to this site with their "questions" it's too late to get through to them.

    That's my take. Feel free to disagree.
  • May 30, 2008, 09:10 AM
    NeedKarma
    I voted yes. I'll support my teen if she is pregnant.

    The question is silly to begin with and I didn't take it seriously.
  • May 30, 2008, 09:19 AM
    Alty
    I would support my teen as well, but I'm hoping that I'll never have to because I'll have set a good foundation and given her enough information that she won't put herself into a situation where she could get pregnant. Wishful thinking, maybe, but I'm hoping it works. My kids are 9(boy) and 5(girl), hopefully I have a bit of time left before I have to worry about a possible pregnancy. We are already talking about sex, where babies come from etc. The other day my son said "Mommy, how come your friend has kids, she's not married and only married people should have babies." I asked him why, he said "because, a kid really needs a mom and a dad, and if they aren't married then the dad can walk away whenever he wants, that's not fair to the kid." He's seen it happen time and time again with friends of his.

    Sad thing, my son is in the minority at school, his parents are married, got married before they had him, are still married today, that's no longer the norm. What happened to values, where did they go? I think that's the question we should be answering.
  • May 30, 2008, 09:24 AM
    NeedKarma
    Here's my poll which is similar in style to this one:

    I Support getting hit by a truck
    I Oppose getting hit by a truck

    Please vote.
  • May 30, 2008, 09:33 AM
    templelane
    How much insurance money do I get vs the severity of the injuries when I get hit by this truck? ;)
  • May 30, 2008, 09:49 AM
    Alty
    Will I die if I get hit by the truck, is there a good side to getting hit by the truck, what kind of truck? I'm going to have to say that I'd rather not, I think I'll stay on the sidewalk where it's safe. ;)
  • May 30, 2008, 12:17 PM
    Synnen
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sonador101
    its hard your right, personally i thinkk we should prmote adoption as a more friendlt idea, that way the child is given to a loving hom, and the teens can be teens a little longer. .


    Yes and no.

    I'm a birthmom--I know that in some instances adoption is the best and most loving choice a person can make.

    I also know it takes an incredibly strong person to MAKE that choice to begin with.

    And promoting adoption over the OTHER options (abortion, parenting, and not getting pregnant in the first place) smacks to me of baby selling and coercion. I will not be any part of that.

    Granted, I'm extremely sensitive about the subject, but I feel too many girls are pressured into choosing adoption as it is, and the full consequences of it are not explanable--any more than the full consequences of parenting are readily explainable.

    Should adoption be an option? Absolutely. Should it be pushed over any other option? Absolutely not. Frankly--how would you feel if we pushed abortion over the other options--if we made that a better choice for everyone? I mean, it's keeping the population down, it keeps one more unwanted child from being in the world, it prevents problems with Welfare and the economy--why SHOULDN'T it be a great option for everyone?

    It's the morals of the thing.

    So... I choose to push at "don't get pregnant in the first place" rather than focusing on the options AFTER that happens.
  • May 30, 2008, 03:20 PM
    Sonador101
    Well your kind of right, I think we should make adoption EASY, and make the option avalible, and tell people about it. Yoiur right we shouldn't say "this is the best option, and all others suck, and you suck if you coose any other.
    and i do think we should enforce "don't get preganant in the first pplace" but i i;'m am trying to reach out to ppl who are already preganant in the "now what?" stage,
  • May 30, 2008, 08:11 PM
    softbalgrl1331
    Okay, okay enough already!!

    FINE I guess this poll is ridiculous, sure whatever lets move on.

    I was just trying to see people's opinions; I didn't want to be attacked! :(
  • May 31, 2008, 05:01 AM
    j_troubadour
    I don't know. The truck sounds pretty nice. Tempting really. But... welllll... everyone else is going for the NOT getting hit by a truck. I'll do THAT!
  • Jun 5, 2008, 08:40 AM
    godsbabygirl267
    Honestly, I think any young girl should wait until they find the right person and are able to support a child, even if the husband walks. And, usually, girls aren't married at 13 so it would be the boyfriend walking. Its very easy to do, so be careful.

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