K I know I just posted
But I've got this other friend,
And he's into drugs and stuff,
Before he just did a load of weed,
Snd I know that he tried coke before and meth or e I think,
And he said that those were just one time things,
And now he's doing acid,
And I'm really worried,
He barely eats, he does acid, and probably other drugs that I don't know about, because he never answers the phone, and I never know where he is, and he drinks, and I feel like such a mom right now, but I'm really worried, and I have no idea what I should do :(

If your friend is doing acid - he's playing Russian Roulette with his brain literally. Some times you can have a good trip if the acid is high quality (this is rare, by the way anymore). BUT if your friend gets ahold of some bad acid that is cut with say strychnine, your friend will have worse than a bad trip. He can suffer very bad poisoning from this mixture. Strychnine is a "kicker" that is added to acid on a regular basis by some of the mom and pop makers. Your friend just might end up in the ER with a really bad case of psychosis or poisoning.

Each time your friend takes drugs he is that much closer to either death or the total abandoment of his mind and mental capacities. Have him seek help to get off all drugs if you value your friend.

People experimenting with drugs will not listen to anything you say about stopping. They won't. Accept that.

Drugs reduce inhibitions and lead to more drugs. It's a slope many can't escape from once on it. So their family and friends are often their only hope.

You have to NOT protect him from his behaviors. Find out where he's getting it, where he keeps it, where he's going to be next doing it and try to get some adults with authority over him to catch him in those things.

Period. Anything else is pointless. You can help him. Will you? How good a friend are you? Are you willing to risk losing his friendship to ultimately save his life.

I hope so. That means you're one of the good ones.

I'm not a drug expert or anything and if I remember right, acid is the same thing as PCP and PCP is the same as angle dust. And if I was told right, angle dust is very lethal

And even if I am completely wrong, you need to get him help or at least try and talk to him, I have had contless amount of friends that have messed their lifes up becauase of drugs

My step dad did meth, when to prisons twice because of it

Another one of my friends is on bail right now, has court in 2days and is probably going to be locked up again, and guess for what, drugs

So as a friend, you really need to talk to him about that

Many people (including myself) experiment with all different kinds of drugs. At this stage nothing that you can say/do to him is going to have any effect, if anything he will get angry with you and you will loose a friend.

In my opinion you have 2 things that you can do at this point,

1. Talk to him in a highly non-confrontational way and find out how much he has done and off what bust most importantly how often. If you find that he is often using a particular substance(s) then this is the point where parents/authorities may need to intervene, especially if he has become addicted to the drugs physically or mentally.

2. There may very well be a reason why he is abusing these substances. Talk to him non-confrontational way, and find out if there is any problems in his life that is leading to this behavior.

Short answer:

You can't help him unless he wants help. You can report to authorities/parents/teachers, but you risk losing a friend, but also risk saving someone's life.

It's a tough spot to be in. best wishes.

Skittles911 - I agree with "Isneezefunny" if you have been trying to help him and not getting any where then it is time to get him help the other way, through your teacher, princeable , a school nurse would be really good to talk , she can not repeat the name of who talked to her about this , but he does need help, < HE is already on the hard stuff even if he says it was only 1 time , he has since , he is not truefull with you , it won't be long and one day he will over dose and he will be pushing up npossys instead of growing them . So don't wait, and don't get caught out with him ,and he has got some kind of dope on him and also using it, just being with him and he get caught by the law and you will be arrested also and it will be hard to prove you are innocenent. ;;;' GOOD LUCK & GOD BLESS ::: F.B.E.

Acid is a cheap drug. The reason it is so cheap is because it is one of the worst drugs you could do. From what I have seen with a few of my high school buddies, it is the one drug I've seen that truly makes a person less intelligent. I had a friend named Carmen. He was a smart guy, now he just says "dude". I asked him if he still does drugs and he said "I can't because my brain is fried, dude". And I'll tell you His brain is really fried. Acid is way bad!!

Giving false or bias information can be very dangerous.

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good trip if the acid is high quality

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The chances of having eaither a good trip or a bad trip are not decided by the "quality" of the LSD, it is up to the mind set and setting in which you are taking the drug.

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Strychnine is a "kicker" that is added to acid on a regular basis

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Strychnine was added to acid once or twice in the sixties to see if it would intensify the trip, it didn't cause its horrible. If a dealer is selling acid, what could he possibly gain from getting a reputation for selling s**t s**t?

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I would like to know what study told you that "a bad case of sychosis" can be developed overnight after one bad acid trip.

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Not if your educating them.

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Drugs reduce inhibitions and lead to more drugs

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The 'gateway' theory has little substance to back it up, as it relys on unrecorded evidence.

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acid is the same thing as PCP

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Acid is lysergic acid diethylamide, a drug which causes powerful halucinations. And PCP is phencyclidine a stimulent with mild halucinations as a side dish.

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one day he will over dose and he will be pushing up npossys

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You can not die directly from and overdose of LSD.

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it is the one drug that truly makes a person less intelligent

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Khat, nitros and barbituates kill more brain cells per hit than cocain marijuana and acid put together.
Sorry to piss on everyone's fires but wrong info on subjects like this one can cause a lot of problems.
Its not great but the best the government will offer. Trywww.talktofrank.co.uk

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Khat, nitros and barbituates kill more brain cells per hit than cocain marijuana and acid put together

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In Canada, K, nitrous and Barbiturates are not as common for street use as they would be in the UK and are very expensive drugs if you do get a date with them its usually short lived (due to cost). I'm not sure about America, but there are a lot of drugs and drinks out there that are worse than the last one. Acid is very common, inexpensive and easy to get. I have seen the effects against the human brain and saw a wasted life. I've had friends who were addicted to Ex & Meth and Special K and the long term effects were minor compared to what acid has done, overall acid is terribly bad. I know for a fact that in Canada at least, the myth of still adding strychnine to acid is very much a reality. Because of the price of Acid, and how easy it is to be taken consecutively in abundance, I believe it to be the most harmful drug on the streets. When my friends and I were experimenting with drugs, acid was a rarity. The mental hangovers we would suffer were unlike any other. And common sense told us to stop. Anyway, I would hope this person talks to their friend and helps them some how. No matter what happens their friend will remember who cared, and where to turn for the right support.

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K I know I just posted
But I've got this other friend,
And he's into drugs and stuff,
Before he just did a load of weed,
Snd I know that he tried coke before and meth or e I think,
And he said that those were just one time things,
And now he's doing acid,
and im really worried,
he barely eats, he does acid, and probably other drugs that I don't know about, because he never answers the phone, and I never know where he is, and he drinks, and I feel like such a mom right now, but I'm really worried, and I have no idea what I should do

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That's why I said to talktofrank.
For your information Ex, I assume you mean ecstacy, is not chemically adictive.
By the ways you described acid I think your boy was laughing at you.
What would be the point of lacing it. Say you were a baker, and you sold someone a choclate cake, but it had human excrement in it, how many of your customers do you think will come back for more?

Eh? If you got some asprin from the shop and they made your headache worse, would you go back and get some more of the same knowing it wiil increse the pain?
Sorry for the metaphores, but you don't understand plain american.

Thanks for all your help everybody,
I talked to my friend and he said that
He's not doing it anymore
He said it wasn't worth it
He's just going to do weed
Which is fine with me
So yea
Thanks :)

Cool that's good news. Ganja's much less volatile than acid

Setting fire to anything and toking it is bad for you, but between lsd and cannabis, cannabis is a safer option although the tobacco smoked with it is the most dangerous of the lot

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eh?? if you got some asprin from the shop and they made your headache worse, would you go back and get some more of the same knowing it wiil increse the pain?
sorry for the metaphores, but you dont understand plain american.

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IN plain american I HAVE known people who WILL DO anything.
They smoke weed then the high isn't enough so they do stamp bags and then it isn't enough high for them so then they add some crack with it, then that high isn't enough so they add a vicodin or percoset and then that high isn't enough and then they add chewing fentanal patches with all the other stuff and then before you know it they can't make it through a day without all that and more. Oh and I forgot to mention their case of beer too.

Weed is a gateway drug for many just because it isn't a gateway drug for everybody doesn't make it not one.
It depends on the persons brain chemistry and susceptibility to addictive behavior. Just like not all drinkers are alcoholics.

Alcohol and tobbacco are "gateway drugs".
And anyone stupid enough to think that smoking crack will make their weed high better has education problems. That would be your governments fault not marijuanas

I have known many people who smoke weed or do other drugs and never drank or smoked cigarettes.

And they don't do the crack to make their weed high better they do it because they fiend for it all... where all they are concerned about is more, more, more of whatever they can get their hands on.

N0help4u disagrees: LSD may not directly kill but I have never known a drug addict that did ONLY a drug of choice or didn't have other factors going on.
Substance addiction is usually a way of escaping other problems, so yes drug addicts have other factors going on, but only a tiny tiny percentage of drug users develop an addiction.
Please can people post thing in future cause it looks like I'm arguing with myself at first glance

But only a tiny tiny percentage of drug users develop an addiction. To what?

I don't think you know many drug users. I see them by the hundreds. They get so bad off they have to be rushed to the ER where they are then sent to rehab and they come out all healthy and glowing only to start right back with their addiction and then within months they are looking like a skeleton and totally wiped out. There is no way anybody can claim they are not addicted as well as a slave to their addiction.
I also know many addicts whose minds are gone. They have to ask the same questions over and over and still don't have a clue.

I am more likely to believe your statement if you reversed it to
Only a tiny tiny percentage of drug users D0 N0T develop an addiction.

I am more likely to believe your statement if you revesed it to
I don't think you know many NON drug users.
Everyone I know from my parents to my teacher have and do use drugs, in fact one of the few people I know who doesn't use drugs makes his living growing cannabis.

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I would like to see your evidence to support this, frankly ridiculous statement. I can bet that your boss, your partner/friends and even your local bobby are drug users.
Please reply as I am fascinated to hear what wisdom you will present next

So... we're arguing about effects of drugs. Should have gotten J_9 in here.

I'm going to respond as far as addiction to drugs. I disagree with ragga saying that a tiny percentage of drug users develop an addiction. This couldn't be further from the truth. MANY develop an addiction to drugs. HOWEVER, this doesn't mean that they're dysfunctional. There are PLENTY of drug users who use heavily but are still very functional.

I agree with ragga in that our bosses, friends, local grocery baggers, and sometimes even our pastors/priests do use drugs. There are a LOT of drug users that we're not aware of.

LOL
Just because somebody can maintain a 'normal' work and social life doesn't mean they are not addicted. They just are able to maintain a structured schedule while doing it. You say they are not addicted. Can YOU prove that? Your definition of addict seems faulty. You use professionals using drugs as an example but many pilots, Judges, lawyers, CEO's and others go to work high so what does that prove? If they have to go to work high it proves more of a point that they are addicted than not.

Addicts that are always strung out would never even admit they are addicted. Addicts are in denial whether they can hide it or it is obvious. Unless they can stay away from their addiction they are addicted in some way, shape or form.
I would like to see your break down of percentages of people who only do drugs recreationally with NO addiction, the percentage that are mentally addicted and the percentage that are physically addicted and how long each group can and do actually go without.

I DO know many non drug users that don't do drugs of any kind, not even cigarettes, alcohol or weed.
I have a feeling you figure that many people do at least one drug of some sort which is a false premise from the get-go.
I never did drugs but I have seen my ex husband and all his friends, 3 ex boyfriends, and all their friends and many of my friends and neighbors from many places I have lived. My one ex boyfriend was an alcoholic and heroin addict. He was the best auto body mechanic you could ever imagine. He could take totalled cars and make them look like they just came off the assembly line. He died after he started doing downers because of his son's death from drugs. I also have seen many functional drug addicts that appear okay on the outside but go home and beat their wife because of the mood swings and their inability to cope on the inside even though they appear to have it together.

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Sure enough but that doesn't mean they are not addicted. Heck pilots, lawyers, police, Judges go to work high. If they weren't addicted they would leave the high at home. They won't need it before they left for work... or even at work.

Wow, guess I'm loved after all. LOL, was studying heart attacks and thought I'd take a break and pop into AMHD and this is what I find. LOL

Addiction is a pathological state. Meaning your body requires it, or requires more to achieve the same effect as previously used.

Now, there are many forms of addiction... there is chemical addiction (usually a physical addiction)... this can include many of the drugs that have already been mentioned as well as some such as nicotine or caffeine.

Then there are addictions that are psychological addictions... gambling, marijuana (yes, it's psychological not physical), AMHD, etc.

An addict never, or rarely, admits addiction until he/she is ready to clean up.

There are dysfunctional addicts that have lost their jobs, homes, families. And there are functional addicts. Those that go to work every day, do their job, usually very well, and come home to drink to oblivion, or snort a few lines. Those are the addicts that their addiction does not affect their work, home, or family lives. Thus, they function being addicted. And, usually the family is part of the cycle... enablers if you will.

I, too, as a medical professional, will disagree with Ragga in that a tiny percentage of users become addicted. I have seen the consequences of medical misadventures (overdoses) first hand in the hospital.

Crack, heroine, meth, just to name a few are physically addictive from the very first use.

Ragga, have you ever witnessed an alcohol addict going through withdrawals? It's not a pretty site. Alcohol withdrawal is the most dangerous withdrawal of any drug, and you know what, it is a legal drug. The effects can be diaphoresis, dyspnea, hallucinations, palpitations, myocardial infarction, and even death.

I have seen heroine addicts who were once functional members of society one moment, then they shoot up and are slobbering vegetables for the rest of their lives the next minute. I have also seen some who have died after shooting up just once.

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This is a statement that shows ignorance of substance abuse plain and simple.

Ragga, I would like to know your experience with substance abuse and it's effects. I for one was an addict a long time ago (cannibis). Also I have recently worked in emergency rooms where overdoses have been brought in, labor and delivery wards where babies were delivered to drug addicted mothers, substance abuse treatment centers, and, finally, in state run mental institutions where many of the patients were previous drug addicts, but can no longer function in society due to the brain damage that has occurred due to their addiction.

So, Ragga, how much experience do you have?

J_9, I can not take anything you say seriously when you make statements like this
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Because as a medical professional you should know that it is physiologically impossible for this to happen.

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I'm sure you have, but overdoses and addictions are completely different things. So it is irrelevant.

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Urm, no it doesn't, all the evidence shows my statement to be true, perhaps you ought to do some more research. In the meantime this might help.
A word about Addiction-
Although in everyday language we use the word addiction to cover all sorts of compulsive behavior (where a person feels they can’t do without something), in drug terminology Addiction has a very specific meaning. It refers to a physical condition where the body has adapted through prolonged exposure to a drug and will suffer a particular set of physical reactions when the drug is stopped (withdrawal syndrome). Very few drugs are officially recognized as being Addictive in this way. Because of confusion about this definition, ‘Dependant’ or ‘Problematic use’ are now the preferred terms. These cover the psychological compulsion to keep using a drug and also take account of the subjective experience of being hooked i.e. someone feeling they are ‘addicted’ despite there being no ‘medical’ basis for the claim.

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"So, Ragga, how much experience do you have?"

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As well as personal experience, I have grown up around substance education workers and other experts in this field and with people who have been very open and honest about their own drug use. I'm not saying that drugs are harmless but it does more harm than good perpetuating false information and scaremongering as you are doing.

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How much 'growing up' has that involved the past 3 years? 19 years? 40 years?

I would love to see all your proof that the 'many' you refer to are not addicted physically,
Psychologically or in any way, shape or form... until then I can't take anything YOU say seriously.

And just who are your substance education workers and other experts?
People pushing for the legalization? Rehabilitation counselors? The dealer?

Ragga, your post makes me laugh. Literally!! It is very apparent that you do not know what goes on with drugs and the chemical receptors in the brain.

I guess you really need to read up on drug abuse.

Beating an addiction to meth - February 2001: METH'S DEADLY BUZZ - MSNBC.com

Care to quote your sources Ragga? It is obvious those are not your words above. Specifically:

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Although in everyday language we use the word addiction to cover all sorts of compulsive behavior (where a person feels they can't do without something), in drug terminology Addiction has a very specific meaning. It refers to a physical condition where the body has adapted through prolonged exposure to a drug and will suffer a particular set of physical reactions when the drug is stopped (withdrawal syndrome). Very few drugs are officially recognized as being Addictive in this way. Because of confusion about this definition, 'Dependant' or 'Problematic use' are now the preferred terms. These cover the psychological compulsion to keep using a drug and also take account of the subjective experience of being hooked i.e. someone feeling they are 'addicted' despite there being no 'medical' basis for the claim.

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Please don't tell me this quote came from Wikipedia. I won't believe it if it does. Wiki is not a reliable source in the medical community. I need something more substantial.

I am not scaremongering, only speaking the truth from experience, clinical experience. Ragga, I have children older than you. I know what it's like to have the impression that you are always right, but in this case you are not.

I now have 6 years of medical educational background to back me up, add that to my experiences, as well as friend and familial experiences, that that equals more than you have been on this planet.

Overdoses can and do happen with addictions, are you actually denying that? How silly of you.

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As a student in the medical field... I must say, you CAN be addicted after the first time. Physiologically, it isn't very common, but it can/does happen. Dopaminergic receptors in the brain increase in numbers and down-regulate their performance thus requiring more of the substance the next use... it affects some more than others... this is addiction.

Ecstasy causes permanent damage even if you only use it once... not to mention, can cause death and brain damage its first time as well.

J_9, why did you send me to that site, it doesn't contradict anything I said, I don't disagree with the report, and its MSN-how will that broaden my understanding?
Care to quote my sources? Certainly, the above addiction information came from an ISDD training manual-now part of Drugscope, it is the UKs leading independent centre of expertise on drugs. Their website is DrugScope | Welcome To Drugscope
Wikipedia... HA
So I see you have 6 years experience yet you still cannot spell HEROIN- there have been no recorded addictions to female heroes (heroine)

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Absolutely not! You seemed to suggest that your experience with overdoses was directly linked with addiction. Clearly it is possible to be addicted without overdosing as it is to overdose without being addicted, that was my point.
To isneezefunny and NOhelp4u I think you should check the above site.

You don't need to PM them, link them here. Let me see how authentic they are.

Yeah and show us proof that the dopamine and serotonin and other neurotransmitters aren't effected.

I was trying not to get into all that but the more you ask for proof...

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Care to quote your sources Ragga? It is obvious those are not your words above. Specifically: Please don't tell me this quote came from Wikipedia. I won't believe it if it does. Wiki is not a reliable source in the medical community. I need something more substantial. quote ragga:

Although in everyday language we use the word addiction to cover all sorts of compulsive behavior (where a person feels they can't do without something), in drug terminology Addiction has a very specific meaning. It refers to a physical condition where the body has adapted through prolonged exposure to a drug and will suffer a particular set of physical reactions when the drug is stopped (withdrawal syndrome). Very few drugs are officially recognized as being Addictive in this way. Because of confusion about this definition, 'Dependant' or 'Problematic use' are now the preferred terms. These cover the psychological compulsion to keep using a drug and also take account of the subjective experience of being hooked i.e. someone feeling they are 'addicted' despite there being no 'medical' basis for the claim.

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Hmm me thinks he reads too much Garcia and Timothy Leary!

We have serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, all of these neurotransmitters are affected by drugs. Whether it be the first time, or years worth of use.

It's still my observation that Ragga has not sat in an OBS room at a rehab center with someone who is addicted and is withdrawaling. I have, and not only been afraid for their life, but my own. This is not the person who overdosed, but who went into treatment for addiction by their own choice.

Ragga, you are 15. You are merely 9 years older than my youngest son and 7 years younger than my oldest son. I still have 2 in between.

What you have seen in your lifetime may be insurmountable, but it does not speak from the experience that I, or others here old enough to be your parents, have learned through time and/or education.

Yeah wait until you fall in love with a girl that swears she isn't addicted and you will then only start to get a glimpse of addictions reality.
If drugs don't cause addiction why are drug related crimes so high?

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Tell me they are of functional families that aren't addicted.
I wish I could find the video of the little 7 year old girl that watched her mom OD
And the ones where they find the mothers dead and the infants left in the crib for days.

If drugs are not addicting why and how does it get this far?

OK I can see it has gotten to this stage.
I have done my best to answer your questions and I have linked you to a reliable, respected source. My age appears to be the only argument you pose.
If you choose not to listen to me then I will leave you to patronise and ride upon your ego-trips all you want.
They do say ignorance is bliss, so you should all be perfectly happy.

LOL

This stage? What stage? We haven't even begun to pull out all the stops yet!
***A reliable respected source
That you can't even name.
***my age appears to be the only argument you pose.
While we can link you to a hundred reliable, respected sources for your every 0NE
How is all our sources -your age being 'the 0NLY argument we pose'. -What a cop out!
We have yet to see your links, your statistics that you claim you know so well

***if you choose not to listen to me then I will leave you to patronise and ride high on your egos.
LOL
If you choose not to listen to us then you are only leaving patronizing your 0WN self

We are happy because we do not live in bliss we are out there trying to help the addicts and the people they hurt.
Wait until it effects you personally with a loved one and then come back and tell us all about bliss.

***they do say ignorance is bliss, so you should all be perfectly happy.
Ignorance to drugs being harmless --If that is "ignorant bliss" I would rather BE there BUT I don't live in an Ivory tower shielded from reality. Right now I am surrounded in the hood with at least 30 neighbors that prove the reality of drugs.

I bet you call Britney Spears and other famous people "functional that do drugs but not addicted"... after all they are successful

Keith Ledger was NOT addicted and look what happened to him.

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I was, back years before you were born and I was ignorant. Now I know better.

Ragga, I believe J_9 was referring to your age because at 15, I'm not so sure they teach you about drugs and their effects on the body in depth. You have, at most, a high school education. Your knowledge of drugs and effects come from drug users, drug counselors, and at best (or worst), using them yourself.

J_9 and I have gone to school for a significant amount of time (J_9 more than I have) and have actual knowledge of how the brain receptors interact with specific drugs. I have personally worked in a research lab with rats and dopaminergic receptors in their brains and have seen the effects that drug take upon the chemicals of the brain.

Not only that, we have worked in the medical field and have seen COUNTLESS patients that come in with problems relating to drugs. I have seen more people in the morgue due to OD than I would like to admit.

If a 7 year old kid comes up to you and talks to you about algebra... wouldn't you question his knowledge? He probably doesn't know much about algebra than you do. That's the only reason we bring up the age factor. As far as your website, I did take a look at it. Nowhere does it say anything about not being addicted the first time. At best, it's another wikipedia for drugs... and not only that, it actually has a link to a site for 11 - 14 year olds that want to know more about drugs. This is not a reputable source. A reputable source would be a medical journal, a scientific journal, and things of that nature.