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Well I am beginning to think I am gay and I am wondering if I would be sent to hell for this. I hear all the time on TV about how god hates gays, and I'm not sure if I am gay but this isn't helping...
Also what if I kind of do not believe in god? My family is not very church active,
If you do not believe in God or the Devil, why do you believe in Heaven and Hell?
I used to be a Mennonite and in my church it was okay to be gay. We had a few gay members. If it is okay with the Mennonites, I don't see why it wouldn't be okay with any other religion. But that's the wonderful world of organized religion for you.
You will know if your gay or not; you just have to be completely honest with yourself. I have many gay friends and they have told me that the always knew they were gay. In my opinion, gay people don't go to hell. They can't help who they are; they are living, breathing, beautiful human souls just like the rest of us.
What the hell? I was talking about my personal experience with my religion. I never told him to change his belief. Do you read English?Quote:
Universal Truth disagrees: "if relgion doesn't support your views, just change your system of belief" - nice
I have to spread the rep around but I thought your answer was great star! I love the local Mennonites in my area BTW!
It wasn't my favorite religion in the world, but they were so nice! I just didn't like our Pastor that much, he never put any excitement into his preachings, he used the same tone of voice through his whole sermon. Even the die hard church goers would fall asleep sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by rankrank55
I believe in hell and heaven because I kind of believe in god, I want to believe in god, but I'm having a hard time...
Whether you do you don't, your personal beliefs are your personal beliefs and I do not believe in preaching to anyone. I don't like it when people pressure me to go to church. Nobody should look down on someone for their beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by sGt HarDKorE
Whether it is okay to be gay religiously, I don't know, but like I said, in my old religion we welcomed anybody and everybody.
I think we all go through phases of doubt about religion. You just have to decide to go with you faith or logic.
Star: I know what you mean; drab church sessions are the worst.
I think I heard it best from my gay friend in college. I once asked him "how did you know you were gay", thinking there was some sort of science behind it.
He replied: "I stuck something in my butt and I liked it.... a lot"
It seemed pretty cut and dry at the time, so I never questioned his logic. Then, about two hours later, I realized that you don't need to be gay to put things in your butt; you just need to be sexually adventurous. So I again posed the question to my friend, stating my new theory.
He then replied: "I like men sticking things in my butt"
I couldn't help but laugh (no pun intended). My friend David made a valid argument. I think being gay is something that is that simple. I mean, if you are questioning it, you are probably gay.
As for the god issue... It's a matter of your beliefs. I find it hard to believe that being gay is genetic. Therefore the only alternative is that you are choosing to be gay. My logic for this is simple - In genetics, the genes are hereditary elements passed on from the parental generation. Half from each side. If your parents are heterosexual, they wouldn't carry the gay gene, thus making it impossible that you are genetically gay. However, if it is a recessive trait, present in one copy in both parents, then sure, you are gay. The catch is, over time the gay gene would have been lost since it doesn't increase your ability to reproduce- gay people can't procreate. Given how many generations of humans that have come and gone, it's a safe bet to say that the gene is no more. The only alternative is choice.
Now, since we have concluded that you are chosing to be gay, we can attack the religious implications. If you believe that God hates sinners and sinning is a consequence of free will, then your "choices" can and will send you to hell. However, if you are not that religious, it won't matter because you will die, just like the rest of us and no amount of gay sex is going to change that.
My advice... make a decision on what you are and enjoy it. It really doesn't matter. Gay or not, we all die.
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Originally Posted by nauticalstar420
No, I'm sorry. I only read spanish, type in english, and speak latin.
Your response was your experience, and I was simply using the "not helpful" link to state that I did not feel your answer was helpful. It was not a personal attack.
Well I have said this in a previous post but I figure its useful in this thread:
I thought about it real hard and I tried to think back as far as I can to when I tought I was gay. I think I know why I may have turned gay (If I wasn't from the start). When I was 13-14 this one guy would always ask me to go on webcam with him and he would always do stuff to my character (On a game) such as have sex with it. He got banned about a month ago for Sexual Harassing numerous people. Another person also would ask me to cam and would send me links of him masturbating, if this is the reason I am, can I go back? I know you said your friend switched between orientation, but I do not want to be alone. I want to have a family, and have kids.
Just because you watched someone masturbate on cam does not necessarily mean you are gay. If you want to have a family, and kids, that must mean you still think about being with women. Is it possible that you could be bi?
"nauticalstar420 disagrees: I was letting him know that some religions do accept homosexuality. If it is okay to Mennonites, it must be okay to their version of God. That was his question, after all."
I am aware of that... Hence the reason I said what I said. He stated that his "sort of beliefs" did not agree with it, and you said "my religion does"... not really helpful because it implies that you are either telling him he should change his beliefs, or he should subscribe to yours. Again, it wasn't a personal attack, so I don't understand why you are attacking me.
I don't agree with what you said and I stated my case. Deal with it.
You don't choose to be gay... you either are or your not. Check out this website.
What Makes People Gay? - The Boston Globe
Its funny though, because you don't really have a case. I already told you, I was just letting him know that some religions do accept it. I never said "change your beliefs" or "believe in what I believe" now did I? If I did, please post it in a quote so I can fix it. Like I said to him before, I don't preach to people or try to make them change. That decision is up to them. I was just letting him know, that in some cases, it is accepted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Truth
It doesn't mean you are gay, it means you have sexual curiousity. It's the equivalent to the people who like pain as pleasure, or just good old fashioned porn. It's a fetish not a sexual orientation.
The bible frowns upon fetishes though
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I am aware of that... Hence the reason I said what I said. He stated that his "sort of beliefs" did not agree with it, and you said "my religion does"... not really helpful because it implies that you are either telling him he should change his beliefs, or he should subscribe to yours. Again, it wasn't a personal attack, so I don't understand why you are attacking me.
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I don't believe she was trying to get him to convert or believe in something else. This was a simple,personal experience that she was sharing in order to get the point across that some religions don't think that gay people should go to hell. Personal experiences are great!
Well the reason I wrote that last paragraph was to explain that I think my thought process was altered because I was in a way being manipulated. The two people would always talk sexually around me about themselves and always ask me about my penis and such. I hope I'm not gay, and there is that possibility of being BI, I just hope my love for women increases more than women... Hopfully it is just a phase that I will eventually get over
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Originally Posted by nauticalstar420
I see your point, but you are missing mine. You stated your situation, thus proposing an alternative. It's an implied meaning. It's like when your friend says that he hates his car cause it's a pile of crap, and you say "my car runs great". You are not actually saying "you should have bought a car like mine" but you are implying that your car is better given the situation at hand. Anyway, it's not the point. I'm not here to argue with you over what you said. I disagree with it, and that offends you. I really don't care. I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to give an honest opinion. Can we please get back to the issue at hand?
It is possible that you could get over it. After all, anything is possible. It does sound like you were somewhat manipulated, but it in no way means you are gay for sure. Think about it this way, do you fantasize about being with men? Or do you just think you could be gay because of these experiences?Quote:
Originally Posted by sGt HarDKorE
You probably aren't gay! You sound very straight to me. ;)
It's not a phase. It's a subconcious desire that you are expressing in a tentative fashion. It seems more like you are trying to test out what peoples reactions are before you commit. You should express confidence in your decisions. If you lack it, people will sense the weakness and ridicule you for it. That's how most people actually manipulate others.
These past experiences were probably brought on by a weakness in your character that they found they could exploit. You had to show some tendency to discuss your penis, otherwise you would have avoided those individuals altogether. This only strengthens the case that you have made a choice, but you are unwilling to take responsibility for it.
I get your point as well, but I in no way think I am better than anyone, or my religion is better than others. You didn't offend me. Why should I be offended? Being a part of that religion was a personal experience of mine and I am proud to have experienced it. But like I said, I am not trying to convert anybody. I am not even a member of that religion anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Truth
P.S... have you read how the rating system works? Bad ratings aren't generally given for personal experiences, or opinions. They are SUPPOSED to be used if a person is dead wrong about something, but it doesn't always go that way. I don't usually give out bull crap ratings, but yours kind of caught me off guard and pi$$ed me off. I am sorry about that though.
Sometimes I fantasize about men but I think the reason I do is because I think I'm gay and thefore I try to act gay. I read that boys for some reason go through a gay period of where they tend to fantasize about other boys. However I don't think this happens at my age, and it has been going on for like a year. Maybe I am just comparing myself to the other boys? I never attempted or planned to make a move on a boy.
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Originally Posted by sGt HarDKorE
I have never heard of the "gay period" that boys go through, but then again I am not a boy. It could be that the fact that you think you are gay is the reason that the fantasizing takes place. The feeling that you are gay could be overwhelming your mind.
You know what I think though? No one really knows until they experience it. I am in no way condoning someone as young as yourself particpating in any sexual act, let me just get that out of the way. But if you try it, and don't like it, you aren't gay. If you do like it, but still like women, you could be bi. And if you try it, and like it better than women, you could be gay. See what I'm getting at?
I see your point, hmm, well they probably took an advantage of the fact that I have never had any guidance in my life, so I think I kind of looked to them as family. My dad was never there for me and my mom is to busy at work for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Truth
Yeah I see what your talking about, I suppose that makes the best sense, since I can't really tell without actually having contact with a male or a femaleQuote:
Originally Posted by nauticalstar420
There is a reason behind the fantasies...
I suggest trying my friends logical approach at it. It's really an impirical thing. If you question it, no amount of talking will lead to an answer.
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Originally Posted by sGt HarDKorE
He did bring up a good point. You were looking to others for guidance, and happened to run into someone that took advantage of you when you were vulnerable. I hate people that manipulate like that. It is just flat out wrong.
How could a nice guy like yourself be gay.
Maybe your just looking t much into this.
You keep thinking gay so your turning gay.
I think when you think about things too much you start to think its true when really its not.
I disagree. My parents weren't there for me either. In fact, my dad was cheating with my moms boss, while my mom was at work. I never put myself in the position to be manipulated and I hung out with some pretty shady characters back in the day. I've never questioned my sexuality. I moved to college, and never even told my parents I was going. So I'm going to disagree with the whole "lack of guidance" excuse
Some people are stronger than others when it comes to not having parental guidance. When some people don't get enough attention from their parents, they seek it elsewhere, and its not always a good resource.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Truth
just think differnetly,
go out and meet new people talk to some girls.
maybe you should test yourself to see if you are gay.
like if a h=guy was willing to let you touch him in certain places would you do it?
Which is why I stated that part about exploiting weakness. In order to have a weakness, you have to be predisposed to certain tendencies. You have to want to change. Look at religion - people don't just believe because someone told them to. They believe because they want to; they want someone to give them an answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by nauticalstar420
It's the same thing in this case. Is it possible that he was wanting someone to tell him he was gay? Perhaps that's why he is here.
Nice...Quote:
Originally Posted by sarah1989
I think this is up there with telling him to just switch religions.
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Originally Posted by Universal Truth
That is possible. It could be that he wanted someone to tell him he was gay so he would feel better about it. I don't know, because I don't know him personally. But that is a good point.
But I do have to say, there are quite a few people that are pressured into religion because they are told they will burn in Hell if they don't. It scares some people, so they start going to church.
First, it is not a good thing to openly condone sexual activity when someone is underage.Quote:
Originally Posted by sarah1989
And if he feels he is gay, he can't just "think differently". It isn't that simple.
sGt HarDKorE -
What is it that you are looking for? Are you more concerned about being gay, or that you may not get to have that BBQ in heaven with Tammy Fae Baker and Jesus
Except for the fact that I never told him to switch religions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Truth
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