Um, I have to agree with ragga because I've tried weed and actually gotten high once and I'm not addicted at all, I actually hated it, it had a horrible effect on me for sum reason, I think it was laced. But still I don't know about other people but my friend tried it once and she's not addicted either so maybe its just us but I don't think I know anyone that got addicted their first time, the only people that I know that are addicted do it like very single day and they've been doing it for a while now and like one time I had the urge to do it again but that's because I was having a bad day and I didn't do it, and now just a little while ago I actually got high for the first time and it scared the out of me I hated so yea..

Just because you didn't get addicted doesn't mean some people do not.
We never said you are automatically addicted the first time, the first week, the first year.
Many people hate it like you and don't do it any more... some of them try other drugs instead.

You say it had a horrible effect and it scared you so it can't be all that harmless.
Ragga insists it doesn't have any bad effects.

Yea I know I'm just saying that lots of people don't get addicted and the only people I know that are, do it like every day. And one of my friends used to do weed regularly and than she just quit cold turkey and she was fine. And weed actually isn't that bad for u, its way better than cigarettes, its just really bad for you when its laced, which I think it was.

Many people say it is better than smoking cigarettes or drinking. I notice that most the people that smoke weed say that -do smoke cigarettes too and/or drink too so I find the statement rather odd in justification. But that's just me.

I knew people that quite things cold turkey but society likes to lead people to believe that the ONLY way they can quite something is with professional help so most people actually believe that is the only way anybody can quite something.

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weed actually isnt that bad for u, its way better than cigarettes, its just really bad 4 u when its laced, which i think it was.

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... if I had a nickel for every time some kid came up to me and told me this...

First of all... "weed actually isn't that bad for you"... is by far, the most foolish thing I've heard someone say on this forum. I'm assuming you mean to say, "It's not as bad as people are putting it out to be"... fine. I can maybe live with that. Marijuana has cognitive, physical, and psychological effects on the body. Is that harmful.. in my book, yes.

"its way better than cigarettes"...

Can you give me a reference (medical journal, scientific journal, etc) of some kind that actually says this? Other than your local grocery bagger and possibly your friends telling you this...

Yes, cigarettes are directly related to lung cancer. Yes, there are carcinogens and chemicals in cigarettes. I'm assuming that marijuana's "better" because it's "natural" and there aren't "chemicals".

Cannabis and its smoke actually contains twice the level of polyaromatic hydrocarbons... when compared to cigarettes. This means that you are twice as likely to get cancer from smoking marijuana than from cigarettes. The question you would ask is, "then why do more people that smoke cigarettes get cancer than people that smoke weed?" that's because people smoke 1 - 2 packs of cig a day while they only smoke maybe a blunt... maybe two... (maybe 3)... of weed.

There is evidence that cannabis actually produce five times more carbon monoxide than cigarettes... which is another carcinogen.

The thing is, there isn't much research done on the effects of cannabis vs. cigarettes. Either way, saying that it's "not as bad...it's way better" is quite foolish to say... it's as if asking the question, "What's better? shooting an arm or a leg?"

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um, i have to agree with ragga because ive tried weed and actually gotten high once and im not addicted at all, i actually hated it, it had a horrible effect on me for sum reason, i think it was laced. but still i dont know about other people but my friend tried it once and she's not addicted either so maybe its just us but i dont think i know anyone that got addicted their first time, the only people that i know that are addicted do it like very single day and they've been doing it for a while now and like one time i had the urge to do it again but thats because i was having a bad day and i didnt do it, and now just a lil while ago i actually got high for the first time and it scared the out of me i hated so yea..

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Weed is one of the drugs that mot people DON'T get addicted to the first time. Meth, Crack, Heroine... those are the drugs that you can get addicted to the first time you try them.

As for pot... one joint is the equivalent of smoking 25 cigarettes (I'd have to dig my text out of the attic to provide the source and page number).

Marijuana is not necessarily physically addictive, but mentally (psychologically) addictive. All other drugs, including alcohol, are physically addictive. That means that once you have started taking it, your body NEEDS it to survive on a day to day, or hour to hour basis.

I agree that its bad for you but its way better than other drugs,
Practically the only other bad things about except for lung cancer is that it gives you short term memory loss and you get the munchies when your high,
And I have to admit I didn't know about polyaromatic hidrocarbons but cigarettes but cigarettes are still kind of worse for you since it is addicting so you would do more of it, and cigarettes have like 4000 chemicals there's only like 400 in marijuana, and I'm not saying that its not bad for you but its not as bad as everybody thinks it is . It actually is good for you in some ways, like it makes you more creative and stuff.
And obviously it would be better to shoot an arm because if you shoot a leg you wouldn't be able to walk, unless you were shooting someone else and didn't want them to walk. Just like I think that it would be better to smoke weed than cigarettes because you would get addicted to cigarettes

WikiAnswers - How bad is Marijuana for you

Marijuana - Telling Teenagers the Truth about Smoking Pot

Some people get extremely paranoid on weed so they do a harder drug and say at least they don't feel paranoid.

LOL that would be me

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cigarettes have like 4000 chemicals theres only like 400 in marijuana

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tetrodotoxin <--- 1 chemical. Kills you pretty quickly.

average cologne/perfume <---- 7000 some odd chemicals.

amount of chemicals mean little to nothing.

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it actually is good for you in some ways, like it makes you more creative and stuff.

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you wish you were creative when you were high. Some people actually "think" they are... but in reality, that's just it. They "think" they are. You ever see someone that's high? Do they look intellectual/creative to you? True artists can do it sober.

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and obviously it would be better to shoot an arm because if u shoot a leg u wouldnt be able to walk

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... that's... a nice way of looking at it. But really, it was a rhetorical question... but since you answered it... it really depends on where you shoot in the arm. You shoot an arm, high probability of shooting the brachial artery. Bleed to death. You shoot an arm, high probability you'll shoot the femoral. Again, bleed to death. My point was... either one is bad.

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just like i think that it would be better to smoke weed than cigarettes because you would get addicted to cigarettes

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you can also get addicted to marijuana.

This is just getting ridiculous and rhetorical.

DRUGS ARE BAD!!

Plain and simple. I have worked in rehab centers with addicts of all kinds... Marijuana, crack, heroine, cocaine, alcohol, meth... Do I need to go on?

Drugs are bad, they destroy brain cells, they ruin your lungs, the pollute your bloodstream

Oxygen is the best drug for you... Yes, oxygen is a drug.

Haha I was just joking about the arm and leg thing
And um have you ever been high?? and yes I have seen people high lots of times and they might not look creative or smart, but did einstein? He looked like a crazy old man, and some of the most creative people I know have like adhd and add and do the weirdest things ever, how you look has nothing to do with what goes on in your head.
And yes I know you can get addicted to marijuana but you can also get addicted anything,

Looking crazy and being crazy on drugs are two different issues

Skittles hun, I have been high on more things than you can count on all 20 of your digits. I know what addiction is like first hand. I know, not only from education, but from experience.

Glad that part of my life has been over for more than 20 years now.

Yes, you can get addicted to anything, such as video games, gambling... but you won't die from withdrawal of video games or gambling. You can die from withdrawal from alcohol.

Video games and gambling won't kill you... but drugs can, yes even weed.

Oh my god this is getting ridiculous
I'm not even sure what I'm arguing about
And gambling can kill you, practically anything can

And also, practically all the famous musicians did weed

AND Keith Ledger didn't even know what hit him with his legal prescriptions that doesn't mean I want to use that as an excuse to purposely muck up my system. You can justify it all you want you are going to do what you want anyway no matter what anybody says.

OMG I'm just saying,
And the beatles did weed and they were fine
And I'm not trying to convince anybody to use drugs,
And I'm not doing weed either, I actually hate weed at the moment
All I'm saying is that weed's not as bad as everybody says it is
I also think it messes you up, just not as bad as everybody thinks,

The friend who is now doing acid along with other drugs is lost, for now anyway. Don't follow. Being his parent is not your job. Taking care of yourself is your job.

He tried it once, I don't know if he is doing it regularly so yea
And I'm not planning to

OH MY F@#$$%# GOD THANK YOU raggablue. I can't believe I just read all that crap. You all are brain washed c'mon. Any body know who Ken Kesey is? He might have done acid 400 500 times, died at 66 because of cancer. And I quote, "Kesey died at Sacred Heart Medical Center in Eugene, two weeks after cancer surgery to remove 40 percent of his liver." (commondreams.org) This guy was still pretty normal, watch some interviews with him. Albert Hofmann, the CREATOR of acid died last April. He was 102 years old. After all the years after lsd and still taking lsd he still pursue science. He attended colleges to do research and to talk to the students. OH yeah, while all this was happening, he was taking lsd. On his death bed, he asked his wife for acid. And died tripping, on his scientific "headache cure" discovery. I guess what I'm trying to say is people, c'mon unless you got really f##@$& up friends, lsd won't kill, or really even harm them. OH by the way, a bad trip has nothing to do with the quality of the acid. PLus I know plenty of adults who have great lives who have taken lsd many times in their youth. Im dating a girl who's mother took plenty of lsd in her youth, and she is woderful, oh yeah and completely normal. Their family is just peachy so don't pull that sh*@ please. People please do some research before you post complete

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If your friend is doing acid - he's playing Russian Roulette with his brain literally. Some times you can have a good trip if the acid is high quality (this is rare, by the way anymore). BUT if your friend gets ahold of some bad acid that is cut with say strychnine, your friend will have worse than a bad trip. He can suffer very bad poisoning from this mixture. Strychnine is a "kicker" that is added to acid on a regular basis by some of the mom and pop makers. Your friend just might end up in the ER with a really bad case of psychosis or poisoning.

Each time your friend takes drugs he is that much closer to either death or the total abandoment of his mind and mental capacities. Have him seek help to get off all drugs if you value your friend.

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"he's playing Russian Roulette with his brain literally" "you can have a good trip if the acid is high quality [... ] BUT if your friend gets ahold of some bad acid that is cut with say strychnine, your friend will have worse than a bad trip. "

You should talk about things that you don't know about. Don't GIVE PEOPLE WRONG INFO. People the quality has nothing to do with a good or bad trip, its usaually the setting and the state of mind the user is in. And people you are not going to get acid cut with stychinine, it happened like twice like 30-40 years ago. Everybody has their own movie, what are you going to do with yours?

Just tell his parents!

Yes drugs are bad... is this statement narrow? Very.

I think its unfair that all recreational drugs are given a bad name.

I take magic mushrooms maybe once a month and smoke marijuana once a week at most. I get to enjoy the drugs in moderation and with no physical or psychological effects afterwards. I'm currently a 3rd year engineer, live a healthy lifestyle and yes... take recreational drugs on the odd occasion. Is my life ruined? No.

People need more education about the statement "drugs are bad, they will ruin your life" as most governments will tell the public.

Ive done my reading and I would never touch the disgusting drugs like meth or heroine which are known to mess people up.

There are intelligent people out there who can enjoy drugs and still live a healthy, happy and prosperous life.

Thank you Raggablue!

Sneeze: There hasn't been a case of lung cancer linked solely to marijuana, and you said the reason for this is that pot smokers don't go through a pack a day. I have seen Rastafarians who smoke every hour. If marijuana does effectively cause cancer, then half of Jamaica would be going through chemo. Marijuana has been in society for centuries, throwing carcinogen numbers as scare tactics is nullified by plain old history. Might as well tell me not to go out in the sun cause ill get skin cancer *rolls eyes*

J_9: sure anyone can OD on acid, anyone can also OD on carrots. It takes a lot of acid to overdose and you would need a lot of money to do so. "We have serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, all of these neurotransmitters are affected by drugs. Whether it be the first time, or years worth of use." Aren't all those neurotransmitters affected by our present environment? Our diet? Our psychological addictions? Your neurotransmitters aren't some independent factory that runs on its on power supply and CPU, and taking acid will somehow ruin these untouched transmitters. You should replace that statement with: "We have serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, all of these neurotransmitters are affected by life. Whether it be the first time, or years worth of use."

Greg Quinn: your claims are too ridiculous to reply to. I can not even

The error in this entire thread is that acid(psychedelic) is being lumped in the same category as weed(antidepressant) meth(stimulant), alcohol(depressant) crack(stimulant), and heroin(opiate). All of these act on the body in completely different ways, so they should all be taken in new light(tip: its delusion if you dont). Acid does no substantial amount of physical damage to the body within moderate usage (this may be a surprise to the sober sallys out there, but people have had positive profound experiences on acid). While crack, alcohol, and heroin do tons of damage physically including a physical addiction through substantial body chemical imbalances. Psychedelics in general do not cause these substantial imbalances. If want to argue on something argue on this, another than that you throwing misinformation on web labeled as "answers." Even then, you are still wasting your time arguing on this

There are badder things you can do to your body than to take acid, we should also make skateboarding illegal because you can break your arm or leg while riding it :O and just because I skateboarded and I rollerbladed before, that is not a direct indication that I like riding bicycles or bungee jumping.

N0help4u: "Ignorance to drugs being harmless. Right now I am surrounded in the hood with at least 30 neighbors that prove the reality of drugs." nothing is harmless. I can choke you with a pillow. Just because 30 neighbors prove to you that heroin/meth/crack/pcp/alcohol is harmful (I double dog dare you to find an acidhead who only indulges in acid within those 30), doesn't mean that taking acid is harmful, and for instance eating a tub of ice cream is harmless. Ragga, probably made that statement in terms of you categorizing acid in the same category as heroin. Which is absolutely ignorant.

As long as he spaces his trips out he'll be fine. Doing cocaine and meth as a one time thing is NOT wrong. He's not addicted and doesn't do it on a regular basis so stfu.
It's his life, let him enjoy himself. He probably doesn't like you and would hate it if he had someone telling him what to do with his life when he's just doing acid.
Also, PCP is NOT acid.

Seriously? What the hell is going on in this thread? "nohelp4u" and J_9" or w.e. are so blind its unbelievable. I don't particularly care about the things you believe (about drugs at least in this instance) hell, go believe that one weed spliff can kill you instantly for all I care. Just don't PUSH it onto other people! There has NEVER been a (soley) weed related death in all of recorded history, I don't know statistics on Acid related deaths, but I've heard of people taking up to 10,000 micrograms-average dosafe being about 100 micrograms- (Jim Morrison of the doors, for one!) and living to fight another day, albeit being a bit freaked out about it, but still over all fine and healthy!
Its ridiculous how all these anti drug posters started bringing up Alcohol, tobacco, meth, heroin, crack etc. the OP was asking about ACID! Not those drugs that really do mess with you after consistent usage. The drugs you mentioned kill 100's to thousands of people each every year (over a few hundred thousand all together) if someone were to come to me and ask about acid (my kids for example, whom are way too young right now, but when they were in the late teens at least) I would RECOMMEND IT. Yes that's right! Weed, lsd, and most other psychadelic drugs (shrooms, salvia mescaline etc.) I would recommend it as a unique experience to at least try once, you only live once right? Oh and also, acid definitely isn't pcp...

Also: cannabisnews.com: Marijuana Could Prevent Alzheimer's

I know it's a cannabis site, but its based on a scientific study!

Also the beatles did lsd loads, look at Paul and Ringo now! Rip John and George.

If you eat cannabis the potential threat is gone