"Can you believe in the Big Bang theory AND a God that created the universe or are they mutually exclusive?"
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"Can you believe in the Big Bang theory AND a God that created the universe or are they mutually exclusive?"
I am firmly convinced of both God the Creator and the Big Bang that He set off.
My belief: yes you can believe in both without being inconsistent. Science tries to tell us how things happened, not why. The fact that the Big Bang describes the instant of creation is in my opinion not inconsistent with a role for a supreme being who could have created the rules by which the Big Bang worked (as well as all subsequent laws of physics). To be sure the Big Bang doesn't in any way prove the existence of God either; I just maintain that they are not inconsistent.
Why not, after all a while ago we all believed that the world was flat.
Belief is an amazing thing, you don't need proof to believe in anything.
After all we don't know for sure about either the Big Bang or God, yet we choose to believe.
Do you think that there are more spiritual people that believe in the Big Bang, compared with science minded people that believe in God. Why. My experience is that it is difficult to have a conversation about God with a deeply rooted scientist. It is also equally difficult to have a scientific conversation with a deeply religious or spiritual believer.
I think those of us that believe strongly in both are an exception to the rule, but I could be wrong.
Curlyben, what do you tell a person that claims to know for sure that God exists? Describing my own belief in God, it is not a hope that he exists; I know he exists. No, I have not seen God, or claim any special divinity as a chosen one.
From a scientific stand point you cannot PROVE that God exists, as we can't PROVE that the Big Bang happened.
We have indicators and can surmise but we have NO hard scientific proof.
At the end of the day belief is a very personal thing, so each to their own.
I think the "deeply religous" and the "deeply scientific" are not mutually exclusive, but are rather "orthogonal" to each other. What I mean is that the scientific and spiritual thinking operate entirely differently, and so it's rare that one is comfortable and proficient operating in both worlds. Your observation is like noticing that there are few professional athletes who are also accomplished artists - it's not that you can't do both, but anyone who devotes their career to one of these professions is unlikely to very successful in the other. But for the rest of us "dabblers," we can certainly appreciate, understand, and even try to emulate both athletes and artists. So it is for us dabblers in science and spirituality.
I happen to know two physics professors who are married. One is an atheist precisely because he does not see, through physics, proof of God. The other does believe in God because she can see the proof God. She looks at the universe through the eyes of Thomas Aquinas, and he through the eyes of Charles Darwin. It seems as if it is the point of view from which they see the universe.
I see no contradiction in believing in the Big Bag and God. For to me God is the cause.
Of corse you can!Quote:
Originally Posted by Auttajasi
It depends on what you believe God did. If you believe he created the universe 4000 years ago, then obviously you cannot believe that there was a big bang 13.6 billion years ago.
The 2 are not mutually exclusive, though.
When God created Adam and Eve, He created them as mature humans. So to with the universe.
I believe the Creator did it all.
Stephen Hawking has expressed that physics has indicated to him that there MUST be a God. So I'd say it's certainly possible. If you feel you must literally interpret your religious text of choice, then believing the validity of Big Bang cosmology becomes somewhat more difficult.
As for me, I'd love to think there's something bigger out there... but until I see what it is, the search must go on and I will assert nothing.
GOD "Said" let there be... He spoke the universe into existence. The expanding universe that the scientist see is just GODs voice moving in all directions at the speed of sound through absolutely nothing while still creating. Simply because it looks as if something exploded and is moving away from a center point does not make it the reaction of an explosion. The center point it is moving away from is the Creator. What was there to explode in the first place and what caused it to explode? Nothing. In the beginning, there was nothing in the physical realm.
Nice attempt but Im pretty sure that no one actually believes it's the sound waves from Gods actual voice. In that sense, "The voice of God" cannot be heard by the human ear nor measured by anything but the soul... which would also lay upon the same frequency.Quote:
Steviebeezie disagrees: interesting idea, but it's the speed of light, not sound. HUGE difference.
Its funny how most cannot help but attune God with man and the physical realm
My mistake. GOD is light so it only stands to reason that his creation is still creating at the speed of light. Thank you for refreshing my memory stieviebeezie. It has been years since I first conceived the reality of the multiverse.
So why not, we know that God created everything, I have no problem believing that God created it with a "bang"
While I personally don't believe it that way, I think God created it fully developed, I will not disrespect a person who still has their faith in Jesus as God's Son because they believe God created it by creating all matieral from nothing and allowing the laws of nature to take effect.
And then again, some one here may have hit the nail spuare on the head and we still wouldn't know for certain. It's all a matter of how you translate what you see around you and what makes you comfortable. If some one tells me they have the final answer, I just look at them and smile and say,"Good for you!"
I personally feel that you can believe in both and not be contradicting yourself. Merely because it's a possibility that god was the one who allowed the ''Big Bang'' to happen in the first place. Now, I myself, believe in the here and now. I'm not too concerned with how it all began or how I got here. What's more important to me, is what to do with myself and my time on this earth. We live but a short time anyway.
The theory would only be unnacceptable to believers in God if it required no God to be involved by default. Actually that's mind-set adopted by most BB theorists. However, there is nothing in the theory itself that requires the exclusion of a Creator.
The B.B. could be explained in Genesis 1:1- In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. So everything is possible with God.
I am hearing from some Christian theologians that I respect their views well, that they believe in a pre-Adamic earth (a gap theory) between Gen.1:1 and 1:2.
So, the B.B. theory has the billions of yrs. Ago timeline -which is possible for Genesis 1:1.
So, maybe one has to be an "old earth" creation/scientist to say the theory of the beginning of the universe was billions of yrs. Ago.
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (The Noble Quran, 21:30)"
The above verse confirms for muslims that the whole universe was one before it broke apart, but I cannot confirm if this is the Big Bang theory scientists are talking about.
To believe in the Big Bang one has to believe in a God, since there had to be material to bang and material to be made into all the planets, all of the suns, all of the moons, all of the other things. And the energy to cause this had to come from somewhere.
So someone had to create the material and energy that was used to cause the bang.
Who created the someone that created the material and energy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
I think this is stretching it a bit. Many would say that the material formed itself... through the right elements and forces. In this case you can't really use the equation if A = B and B = C then A = C... there are too many other pieces of the puzzle..Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
I personally believe that there is a creator, call them God, or Allah, or snargok from Xanadu... I don't care... But I also believe in what Science is saying, and therefore, the idea of there being both a God and a Big Bang, is not so hard for me to comprehend. I don't believe that the bible is literal though, so I completely understand how those that do believe the bible is literal will have a hard time acknowledging BB, the times do not work out.
I also believe that it doesn't matter what the other person believes, I have my faith, and if they don't understand it, oh well. If I don't understand theirs, oh well. My beliefs are for me not for them, and I hope they will think the same.
Thank you Curlyben for your appreciation!Quote:
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The Big Bang is pretty much proven by the background radiation that comes from all points in space, & while it is not proof of a God, it is evidence of a God. Scientists believe the universe had a definite beginning in time at the Big Bang, & nothing in nature has ever been observed to simply begin to exist on it's own without cause. For lack of a better word I call that cause God. So, no, I don't believe belief in the Big Bang & belief in a God are mutually exclusive.
As for the billions of years versus several thousand years, and evolution and the bible, The Bible says that God created the earth on the fourth day. On Earth, we measure OUR days based on the sun. If he was using a different reference point to call the length of time a 'day,' the universe very well could have expanded from a big bang, over several thousand/million years, and evolution could have happened over several more thousand/million years. The next 'day' came aquatic creatures and birds, the next day land beasts and then man. This seems to follow with evolution perfectly. Then again, on the seventh day he rested. That would be a pretty long week.
To each his own, this is just FYI.
To the OP, yes, the amount of energy in the bing bang seems to suggest at least some type of influence. They can coexist peacefully.
I don't believe in od because I don't see any proof or where he could have came form or how he, us, or this world or anything is even possible. I kind of don't believe I'm really here
Many believe in a big bang instigated by god, hence explaining how an explosion could happen without any matter originally existing.
I once toyed with the idea of the big bang being part of gods birth, but I since found god and a church and learned my bible so I know that doesn't fit...
Just out of curiosity,Quote:
Originally Posted by kt1205
If you don't believe you are really here then what do you believe, if anything?
Thanks
I've often thought about whether we truly exist.
"Je pense, donc je suis" - René DescartesQuote:
Originally Posted by cal823
Wow, I'm amazed and enlightened
Soooo... capuchin my friend... can I have a translation please? :)
"I think, therefore I am"
Well, Say the big bang theory was true. Someone somewhere had to put something into exsistance to explode, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Auttajasi
And who put that someone into existence? (continue ad nauseum)Quote:
Originally Posted by twilight-freak
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
That's a good question, and for which I guess we will never know the answer
NO, Science and the bible are in no way connected. Religious types are knee deep in excuses because science has surpassed the Bible illusion. And they are pissed off. Consider this,, we all know the universe is Billions of years old, but the bible says it is only 6000 years old. Any more questions??
Absolutely not! The big bang happened billions of years ago. The bible says that the universe was created only 6000 years ago. You can NOT have it both ways. The religious types will disagree with this because it is absolute proof of their line of BS.
Like I have said before, read the first 3 pages of the bible and tell me this is remotely possible. I dare you,, lol
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